Cold climate leads to higher intelligence

[Ixtab]

Temperature, skin color, per capita income, and IQ: An international perspective
by Donald I. Templera and Hiroko Arikawa

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6W4M-4HNSB50-1&_coverDate=04%2F30%2F2006&_alid=519430773&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_qd=1&_cdi=6546&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5e3bc0a6bdecc424bde7621a21dae54f

[Der Sozialist]

This correlation seems to break down for extremely cold climates.

[Ixtab]

There is also a strong correlation between cranial capacity and distance from the equator.

[///M power]

yes, the Eskimos are very intelligent.
:nopity:

[Ixtab]

yes, the Eskimos are very intelligent.
:nopity:They do score 6 points above Englishmen in Raven's matrices. They have long been known for their mechanical skills.

[Der Sozialist]

They do score 6 points above Englishmen in Raven's matrices. They have long been known for their mechanical skills.

If we look at Europe—adjusting for a linguistic group, as say Germanic--then this trend is not evident. For example, Germans and Austrians score higher than Norwegians, Icelandic’s, and Swedes. Czech’s and Poles outscore Russians.

Spain has the same IQ as Finland (note, I am aware that they are not in the same linguistic group). Italy has the highest IQ—tied with Germany and Austria.

Greece has a higher IQ than Croatia/Serbia (again, I am aware).

Not to mention Ireland, with an IQ of only 93.

Basically, I cannot see a evident differential between Southern and Northern Europeans—it is the Central Europeans that score the highest on IQ tests.

[Ixtab]

No one is saying the correlation is 100%.

Also, I should like to know where you are getting your IQ data.

[Der Sozialist]

No one is saying the correlation is 100%.

Also, I should like to know where you are getting your IQ data.

There is no correlation in Europe—I am getting my IQ data from your source.

[Micaelis]

I would say that IQ is less important than application, though I'm sure there is a potentially positive correlation between the two.

[Petyr Baelish]

It should be pointed out that IQ standardizations have 4 point margin of error. To say that the correlation between cold climate and intelligence is invalid simply because a population several points of longitude South of another population has an IQ that is higher (but within the margin of error) is ridiculous.

Ixabert, I would really like to see a source for your assertion about Eskimo IQ. As far as I am aware, their intelligence scores and profile resemble that of Amerindians. I am incredulous partly because I have fairly extensive experience with these people, and their behavior struck me as nothing more than niggardly.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I am getting my IQ data from your source.

Hahahaha....:rofl:

[Ixtab]

Ixabert, I would really like to see a source for your assertion about Eskimo IQ.I read it in Arthur Jensen's 1981 book, Straight Talk About Mental Tests..

The Inventor And His World (1948) mentions a couple of anecdotes concerning their supposed mechanical skills.

[Ixtab]

Besides, the arctic populations of North America were originally (and still are) very small, so that mutations for higher intelligence were less likely to occur over time. Caucasoids and East Asians were much more numerous than these arctic populations.

[Zrinski]

Greece has a higher IQ than Croatia/Serbia (again, I am aware).

And Croatian IQ average is based on a small extraction (non-representative sample) from 1952 and based on estimation of the neighbouring countries. In short it's BS. I also very much doubt the results for Serbia as well and even Slovenia (according to Lynn IQ average of 95) because ex-Yugoslavia was among top five countries by IQ average among high-school students in 1981. (about 16 year-olds) scoring around 106 IQ average.

http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/NationalIQs.html

Not to mention Ireland, with an IQ of only 93.

Ireland also scored higher on the same mentioned research having IQ average above 99. I think Lynn being from Northern Ireland has more with their low IQ rather than anything else. :p

[Ixtab]

http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/NationalIQs.html

Ireland also scored higher on the same mentioned research having IQ average above 99.Yes, but many of the other national IQs mentioned in that link, especially the German IQ (reported as 109), are also inflated, and inconsistent with the majority of studies, which find considerably lower averages. This opens to question the reported Irish IQ of 99 as well. Moreover, all of these averages are based on unrepresentative extractions.

I think Lynn being from Northern Ireland has more with their low IQ rather than anything else. :pThis is ad hominem.

[Zrinski]

Yes, but many of the other national IQs mentioned in that link, especially the German IQ (reported as 109), are also inflated, and inconsistent with the majority of studies, which find considerably lower averages. This opens to question the reported Irish IQ of 99 as well. Moreover, all of these averages are based on unrepresentative extractions.

Inflated? This is a real study made on the field among the high-school students, it is not an estimation courtesy of Lynn's brain.

Then again knowing your viewpoints that Germans and Irish are some kind of untermensch it's not surprising you would state something like that. Only you forgot one simple fact - majority of english-speaking 'caucassian' population in USA and Canada are in fact of Irish and German ancestry. :p

[Ixtab]

Inflated? This is a real study made on the field among the high-school students, it is not an estimation courtesy of Lynn's brain.Half of the IQs reported in that link are considerably higher than those found in the majority of such studies. There is no getting around this fact.

[Zrinski]

All of the IQs reported in that link are considerably higher than those found in the majority of such studies. There is no getting around this fact.

And what majority of studies are you referring to? There was never any kind of research concerning IQ on such a large scale that would be credible enough to make a study like Lynn is trying to make. Thats why he is using estimates.

[Der Sozialist]

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Overall, I am skeptical of the methodologies that Lynn employs—if I remember correctly, I read that he obtained two different average scores for China differing by 10 IQ points.

Besides Lynn, I am not aware of any other scientist that collects this data—probably because the implications are controversial. I am aware of the studies that you are citing—indeed, the scores for Yugoslavia are inflated (relative to other European countries) but Ireland’s are not. Their score of 99 is still at the bottom considering that the remaining European scores were inflated as well except for Finland and some others.

[Zrinski]

Perhaps you should provide some references which would prove they "were inflated". I still point out that this is real research done on the field and based on the gathered results. There is nothing to be "inflated".

[harjit]

Ixabert, I would really like to see a source for your assertion about Eskimo IQ. As far as I am aware, their intelligence scores and profile resemble that of Amerindians. I am incredulous partly because I have fairly extensive experience with these people, and their behavior struck me as nothing more than niggardly.

I am not saying that their IQ is necessarily high, but I would believe the niggardly behaviour you observed among individuals is more a consequence of being part of an identifiable underclass group than anything else.

[Der Sozialist]

Perhaps you should provide some references which would prove they "were inflated". I still point out that this is real research done on the field and based on the gathered results. There is nothing to be "inflated".

By "inflated", I meant increased. I apologize for the deceptive use of the word but I was in a rush.

Yugoslavia’s score increased to 106, I believe…. There was a general inflation of other scores as well—thus Yugoslavia is approximately average/slightly above average for Europe. However, this is an improvement to the assessed 93 that Lynn arrived at—this would put Yugoslavia well below the European average.

As to the Irish score of 99—while an increase, the Irish remain below average once we take into account the inflation of other countries as well.

In short, I am not trying to put down balkanoids—I am merely using the IQ data on the website Ix is quoting to demonstrate that in Europe, there is no positive correlation between intelligence and latitude once we fix longitude in Europe.

[Professor John Frink]

Yugoslavia’s score increased to 106, I believe…. There was a general inflation of other scores as well—thus Yugoslavia is approximately average/slightly above average for Europe. However, this is an improvement to the assessed 93 that Lynn arrived at—this would put Yugoslavia well below the European average.


I assume that you're referring to the test carried out in Zagreb.

[Zrinski]

In short, I am not trying to put down balkanoids—I am merely using the IQ data on the website Ix is quoting to demonstrate that in Europe, there is no positive correlation between intelligence and latitude once we fix longitude in Europe.

Of course there is no correlation. But also I fail to see how Lynn's estimate based on outdated and insufficient data from 1952(!!) is rather more important and valid to you (and some others) than real 'on the ground' study carried out in 1981.

[Der Sozialist]

Of course there is no correlation. But also I fail to see how Lynn's estimate based on outdated and insufficient data from 1952(!!) is rather more important and valid to you (and some others) than real 'on the ground' study carried out in 1981.

It is not but to demonstrate that there is no correlation in Europe I must use the scores that the researchers used to derive a correlation for the entire world—the scores on Ixabert’s website.

In all, if the methodology was flawless, it shouldn’t matter if the scores are from 1950 or 2000—that is, aggregate measurable differences between ethnicities should not have evolved in 50 years. That is, while the scores might have increased because of the Flynn effect—they should roughly be in the same "pecking order" if you will.

I can’t just cherry pick IQ scores, if you will. They should be calculated in the same year, by the same researcher, using the same methodology. Otherwise, my argument is meaningless. If I use the scores from 1981 then I have to use scores for the rest of the world in 1981 from the same researcher—and calculate the correlation myself to make the same argument which, currently--using Lynn, only requires a very simple observation.
I assume that you're referring to the test carried out in Zagreb.

I am not aware of where Lynn took his measurements when he calculated 93 for Yugoslavia….. But, the 106 score was taken in Zagreb I believe—in fact, you have posted the results before. That is the one I am referring to.

[Der Sozialist]

I am not aware of where Lynn took his measurements when he calculated 93 for Yugoslavia….. But, the 106 score was taken in Zagreb I believe—in fact, you have posted the results before. That is the one I am referring to.
Cattell Culture Fair Test 3, Zagreb it is. I just located it. The average for Europe has jumped to between 102-103. Yugoslavia is now above average. Ireland’s 99 is still well below average however.

EDIT: I just noticed Zrinski has posted a link and I could have saved myself some time by clicking on it instead of :google: culture fair test and Yugoslavia in different combinations. :o