Opponents of Catholicism attack Catholic church in India

[Lenny]

Catholic church vandalised in Bengal
Krishnagar West Bengal | December 04, 2005

Unidentified miscreants today vandalised a Catholic Church at Jalalkhali under Kotwali police station in Nadia district.

Police here said the miscreants went on a rampage, ransacking the belongings of the church, tearing the pages of the Holy Bible and then setting it on fire.

They had also decamped with a silver crown of Mother Mary and severely assaulted some of the people present there, who were trying to resist.

The miscreants, however, managed to escape from the scene. Police have launched a massive search operation to nab the criminals.

http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=181076&n_date=20051204&cat=India

[Felix the Cat]

Do you really think Hindus distinguish between different kinds of Christianity?

[Earl_Cerberus]

I praise the Hindus for taking this Direct Action. (I am certain that these brave heroes still have some remnants of Aryan Blood flowing their veins)

Assuredly the Hindus know that judeo-Christianity aims to destroy their Great Caste System (Caste = Color) and the various sub-Races just as judeo-Christianity has almost destroyed the Racial Segregation System of the Europeans and it is possible no one will be left Pure.

The reason for this is radical egalitarianism and it is found right in the jew book:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. -- Gal. 3:28


"Christian theology is the Grandmother of Bolshevism" -- Oswald Spengler

[Lenny]

Do you really think Hindus distinguish between different kinds of Christianity?Yes they do

The reason being:
Small numbers of christians have been in India since the first century and were not harassed or attacked in any significant ways over the centuries, they just minded own business and were left alone, it wasn't until Catholic imperialism and aggressive Catholic missionary "work" that it went too far and became a real problem.

3 in 4 of the 23 million Indian Christians today are Catholics :eek:

[Jimbo Gomez]

I bet Lenny is quite happy with this attack.

[Petr]

Small numbers of christians have been in India since the first century and were not harassed or attacked in any significant ways over the centuries, they just minded own business and were left alone, it wasn't until Catholic imperialism and aggressive Catholic missionary "work" that it went too far and became a real problem.
Now you are just making a jackass of yourself, defending Hindu scum. You are like some of those dumb anti-Catholic 19th-century historians who sided even with Muslims (on the subject of Spain and its wunnnerful Islamic culture) against Catholics.

Besides it's obvious that you don't know what you are talking about. Check out this Hindu anti-missionary site "Christian Aggression" and you'll see that they have equally hostile attitude towards all expanding Christian sects:

http://www.christianaggression.org/

Here they are painting horrendous picture of Dubya Bush being an evangelical Christian fanatic out to convert all infidels!

http://www.christianaggression.org/features_bush.php


3 in 4 of the 23 million Indian Christians today are Catholics :eek:
This isn't true either. Like in China, there is great number of underground churches who don't show up in official statistics.


"The fastest-growing networks of pure house churches are in India. (China may be growing as fast, but most of their house churches still center around a single pastor. This has limited male membership to roughly 20-25%.)

"The best network is Operation Agape, which began in 1995 in central India as an "experiment" devised by strategist Wolfgang Simson and a wonderful Indian couple who will remain nameless.

"They started launching churches through spiritual power encounters-and running them without pastors, buildings, or Sunday services. This has produced well over 3000 house churches in Madhya Pradesh in the last six years-with 60,000-70,000 converts. Their methods have become a model for churches all across India.

http://webgui1033.cdgcommerce.com/index.pl/00018


Petr

[Petr]

http://www.blessedquietness.com/alhaj/append-10.htm

An experienced foreign missionary Steve Van Nattan offers some insights into Hinduism:


"Hinduism is the lowest form of religion on earth. The most devout Hindu is not asked to change one lust or sin in his life. If he piles up more Karma (bad debt in the divine ledger) than he performs Dharma (good deeds on the other side of the ledger), he can simply laugh it off and assume he will have another of the 12,000 cycles of reincarnation which the Hindu must endure. No Hindu knows where he is in the 12,000 reincarnations, so he can live like the devil, yet he only has to assume that he may come back at a lower level than he is right now, and he will have many chances to work his way to the Brahman mind. This is the ultimate destination. Everything in Hinduism is based on me gratifying myself as I work my way to my final destiny. This works its way out in the terrible manner in which Hindus treat each other. Husbands are almost all bisexual, and their wives must endure the most demeaning marriage relationships, and when the husband is away, the mother-in-law treats the wife like so much rubbish. This results in many suicides by Hindu wives. If they do not kill themselves, their husbands will arrange a "kitchen fire" to kill them so that the husband can find a new fresh sex pot for a new wife. This is the rule, not the exception.

"The Mahatma Ghandi was the classic hypocrite. He talked and seemed to promote peaceful resistance and living in harmony. He talked about people being kind to one another. Yet, this filthy scum of the earth went to South Africa in his early adult life for the sole purpose of killing Zulus on behalf of the British military.

"Now, imagine a Muslim in India as he looks at this horrible religion of greed and evil mannered people. By contrast, the Muslim must treat his wife by certain rules of consideration. His wife must be modest and protected from the evil of Hindu lusting eyes. The Muslim does not pass by the beggars in the street and console himself that the beggar must work off his bad Karma by suffering, so there is no need to give him alms. The Muslim gives alms out of a certain genuine motive of wanting to help and be kind and fair. The Muslim will not buy a dead animal to butcher and sell the meat to local Christians as the Hindu will. The Muslim treats the Christians the same way he treats anyone else. The Muslim will not sell his wormy candy to the children of low caste people. The Muslim will throw the candy away.

"Now, having seen HIMSELF in comparison with HIS HINDU NEIGHBOR, don't you see how the Muslim thinks very well of himself. He has rearranged his human nature so that he performs, and I believe sincerely, many acts of religious zeal on a vastly higher plain than the filthy Hindu. The problem is, the standard of the Muslim is his own definition of goodness, and the definition of a prophet from Mecca in 625 AD. Allah is far away and very impersonal. The sayings of a man named Muhammed, and the sincere efforts of the man himself are the highest his religion ever rises.


Petr

[jcs]

Peter, you're a fucking idiot if you believe that bullshit. You're even more of an idiot if you think that applies to most Hindus. And you're even more of an idiot if you think the practices of most Hindus (which isn't as fiendish as Nattan wants to believe; it's akin to the practice of most Christians in its stupidity...) reflects Hinduism itself, or Hinduism at its highest.

If he piles up more Karma (bad debt in the divine ledger) than he performs Dharma (good deeds on the other side of the ledger)
That's not what those terms mean. Not at all. Nattan is taking the most exoteric interpretation, that held by common (stupid, Christian-esque) Hindus, and grossly misinterpreting that.

People are absurdly judgemental, and it all amounts to egoism. We graduate from our childhood of gullibility to the teenage years of skepticism (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=18165#post18165), in which we declare one thing true, all else false. We ally ourselves with those who hold this one thing to be true, who share with us in beliefs, even if these people have not felt the truth of their beliefs, even if they have not 'written their truths in blood'--it is sufficient for 'the cause,' whatever that may be, that they believe. We set those who don't believe as we do as our opponents, using reason and skepticism to destroy their thought while we try to justify our own with similar nonsense. We graduate from a childhood of gullibility and become absolutists. We believe in our own nonsense! We have failed to learn the lesson that can be found in our graduation: disbelief! Not doubt, not skepticism, not a mere questioning, but a complete and total denial--a complete and total affirmation.
Children: grow up!

[Jimbo Gomez]

I find that this description of hinduism is corroborated by reality quite well.

[jcs]

I find that this description of hinduism is corroborated by reality quite well.
I find it corroborated well by fad-hindus, fad-buddhists, fad-eastern mystics, etc. But most of them are silly white kids who don't know what they're talking about. And most Hindus who come to the West aren't very religious, anyway (most of them being low-caste).

[Petr]

That's not what those terms mean. Not at all. Nattan is taking the most exoteric interpretation, that held by common (stupid, Christian-esque) Hindus, and grossly misinterpreting that.

We do not indeed care what some esoteric Brahmin babblers and their elitist admirers in the West (like you) think about these things. Van Nattan indeed is concerned with the way common Joe Sixpack Hindus respond to these doctrines.

(It is typical for pagan religions, and heretical Gnostic sects like Cathars, to have one set of morality for a small ascetic elite and another for the rest of the slobs)

Ever since the beginning, Christianity has been intimately linked with real life, with grass-roots activity, not with puffed-up abstract contemplation like pagan mystics.

Colossians 2:18-23 (NKJV):

18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations- 21 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," 22 which all concern things which perish with the using- according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

http://www.grace4u.org/newtest/colossians/dl/col_13.htm


Petr

[Lenny]

defending Hindu scum.Your attacks on Hindus/Hinduism are ridiculous and disgusting to me :argue: Hinduism is nowhere near as bad as you hysterically claim, I am not Hindu but I will not stand by while you attack them out of pettiness :mad: and while you give backdoor defense of and support of Catholicism in the meantime

You claim to be against Catholicism, but every time the subject has come up on Phora you more often than not side with the Pope&papists and against their opponents :confused:

This isn't true either. Like in China, there is great number of underground churches who don't show up in official statistics.According to the Census there were 23 million Christians in India in year 2001, 17 million were Catholic :eek: Why would India which has religious freedom (i.e. no official state repression like in Chiney) have massive fraud on the Census in which people lie about their religion? That makes no sense

In China they have to hide their religion or the state might arrest them

[Lenny]

Police clueless about Nadia church attack

KRISHNAGAR, Dec. 5. — Almost 48 hours after the Jalalkhali St. Luis Catholic Church in Nadia's Kotwali PS area was attacked by a group of armed men, the district police are still clueless.

The Kotwali police have initiated a simple theft case under section 380 IPC and arrested two persons following the incident so far. However, the secretary to the Bishop Mr Subhash Barui claims that this attack should not be treated as an isolated one of any other previous attacks on the churches committed by the criminals in West Bengal including Nadia in the past few years.

Mr Barui said: "We have observed that churches in the state were attacked on or before Christmas Day. This time also the Jalalkhali church was vandalised by some unidentified men barely a few days before the preparation of the observation of the Christmas Day. I have also spoken to different authorities in our community about the incident and all of them have common inference that yesterday's attack on Jalalkhali church was committed under similar motives of what were seen in previous attacks on churches. I think that it is more an attack on our basic faith rather than on the church".
...
The frontal wings of the CPI-M held a meeting at Jalalkhali market this evening to protest against the arrests of the two youths in connection with yesterday’s attack on the church. The DYFI and Krishak Sabha leaders claimed that the police have arrested two innocent youths. They demanded a neutral probe in the case. Several posters in protest against the arrest were also pasted on the walls nearby the church.

http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=23&theme=&usrsess=1&id=98395

[Petr]

Your attacks on Hindus/Hinduism are ridiculous and disgusting to me
You are a one confused Hindu-lover. I'd say that no real Christian would ever feel bad about bashing Hinduism.


According to the Census there were 23 million Christians in India in year 2001, 17 million were Catholic :eek: Why would India which has religious freedom (i.e. no official state repression like in Chiney) have massive fraud on the Census in which people lie about their religion? That makes no sense
You are a one-dimensional thinker (to put it kindly). Hindus control the government and they are systematically undercounting their religious minorities to belittle they importance. It's a common procedure in the Third World (Muslims also love to undercount their Christian minorities).

Even pro-Hindu sources admit this phenomenon:

"The disturbing nature of this gross and stark fact is probably why so much effort has been expended by the Government of India to force the Census organization to re-present the data in various mutilated formats. But no amount of mutilation of the data and no amount of obfuscation about the quantum of relative differences in growth rates between different communities can possibly hide the grossness of what has happened. The gross fact is that the Indian Religionists are quickly losing their share in the population of what is left of India; and the rate of their decline seems to have risen sharply during the current decade."

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1118337694


And by the way: just to show how out of touch you are, it is precisely the Roman Catholics in India who are toadying up to Hinduism, (like you are now) with their usual syncretistic approach:

"CLOSE ON the heels of the bomb blasts in the state, Christian priests in the north Karnataka city of Hubli-Dharwad have received a shock in the form of a letter that threatens them with death if they did not “stop conversions and accept Hinduism”. The letter that arrived by post to almost all the priests of the Protestant order in the twin cities is sourced as “Vishwa Hindu Parishad” but otherwise unsigned. Under the heading ‘Last Warning to Christian Missionaries’, the nine-paragraph letter has sent shock waves. Talking to The Hindustan Times over phone from neighbouring Belgaum, Bishop Bernad Moras said these letters were received by post on July 11th and 12th only by the priests in the twin cities. A complaint has been filed by the priests with the Hubli-Dharwad police. Bishop Moras said though it had been signed with the nomenclature “Vishwa Hindu Parishad”, the police would have to find out who exactly sent them. “Somebody else could be using the VHP name,” he said. “We do not know whether this is in any way related to the recent bomb blasts, but I feel that the state Corps of Detectives (COD) which is investigating the case should look into this also,” the Bishop said. The letter, highly incendiary, speaks disparagingly of the Christian community and demands that the priests should instead turn to “Sri Rama” and “Sri Krishna” and worship the cow if they wanted to live in India. Interestingly, the letter has been received only by Protestant priests and not even a single Roman Catholic priest has got them. Bishop Moras said there had been no previous threats of this nature except for the recent bomb blasts. The letter says that so far bomb blasts occurred only at churches. If “our” instructions are not followed it the blasts will occur in “your homes”, the letter warned. - Bangalore, July 14 (HT Correspondent)"

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/prophecy/rrclavet.htm


Yes indeed, silly boy, it is precisely the Roman Catholic church that is practising live-and-let-live attitude with Hinduism and it is strict Protestant churches that who are the main targets of the Hindu persecution.

Check out this photo:

"POPE JOHN PAUL II RECEIVES A MARK IN HIS FOREHEAD BY A PAGAN SHIVA PRIESTESS"

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1161.cfm


Petr

[Jimbo Gomez]

Well Petr, if you are surrounded by an alien people who outnumber you 500 to 1 (or so, it's probably in this magnitude), a live and let live approach might not be all that stupid.

That of course explains the attitude of the HRC, but not that of Lenny. he's just being an idiot again.

[Watzy]

Catholics in Europe and America should retaliate against Hindu sects such as Hare Krishna.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Catholics in Europe and America should retaliate against Hindu sects such as Hare Krishna.


Oh, we can't, they're a religious minority you see, they're untouchable.

That being said: I'll bring the torches, you supply the noose. ;)

[Petr]

http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=19096&sec=28&cont=all


"Orthodox Activists, Cossacks Attack Hindu Festival in South Russia"

("MosNews," October 6, 2005)


Anapa, Russia - About 200 people with icons and slogans have attacked the opening of Vedic culture festival in the South Russian resort of Anapa.

The festival, organized by Russian Krishnaites — a Hindu sect wide spread outside India — took place in a health center. Cossacks in camouflage and elderly women burst into the center territory demanding that Krishnaites leave their town, Russian website Religio.Ru reported. The site also said that representatives of Russian Orthodox clergy headed the protest.

The attackers carried slogans saying “Vedic Culture Is Hitler’s Culture” and “We Will Clean Anapa of Devil Kin.” Some of them turned over a book stall, trampled down a portrait of a Krishnaite saint, tore down festival posters.

Organizers of the festival supported by local authorities held negotiations with the attackers who agreed to leave the scene so that the Krishnaites could continue their festival. However, the Hindus were forbidden to wear traditional Indian costumes when visiting Anapa.

The festival included seminars, songs and dances, other actions.

[Lenny]

Petr your attacks on Hinduism are unnecessary

Hindus control the government and they are systematically undercounting their religious minorities to belittle they importance.Every minority group always claims this, even in the US. I really dont buy the notion that the US, or India, has a massive conspiracy to falsify census data. That "pro-Hindu source" you linked to does not allege that the government is "deliberately undercounting" anyone, I dont see how you could possibly infer that from what is written there

If there were really Hindu zealots controlling the Indian census as you claim, Hindu zealots who who were bent on expanding Hindu power, dont you think they would vastly overcount the numbers of Christians and Muslims, in order to whip up public support among Hindus for Hindu nationalism? Undercounting other groups makes no sense towards achieving Hindu nationalist ends

Well Petr, if you are surrounded by an alien people who outnumber you 500 to 1Hindus are not an "alien people" to South Asians... Catholicism is the alien religion there, not Hinudism

[Jimbo Gomez]

That's it definate proof of you being retarded. How can person A be alien to person B and not vice versa?

[Boleslaw]

The reason for this is radical egalitarianism and it is found right in the jew book:


You obviously don't know dittly squat about where St. Paul is coming from. He's clearly saying there are no restrictions towards salvation in Christ. You obviously missed the several verses where Paul boasts of his own ethnic identity.



"Christian theology is the Grandmother of Bolshevism" -- Oswald Spengler

Spengler was a moron, plain and simple!

[jcs]

Spengler was a moron, plain and simple!
Bolshevism is the natural consequence of the Christian ideal--because all ideals become increasingly misinterpreted through time. Of course, Christianity throughout most of its history was not akin to Bolshevism.
Spengler might have been being a moron, but we'll try to be charitable here, okay?

[Kodos]

You are a one-dimensional thinker (to put it kindly). Hindus control the government and they are systematically undercounting their religious minorities to belittle they importance. It's a common procedure in the Third World (Muslims also love to undercount their Christian minorities).

Why should this be a concern as long as they persecute muslims and catholics more rigorously then other less troublesome religions. It gives Protestant christianity a clearer field doesn't it?

[Lenny]

That's it definate proof of you being retarded. How can person A be alien to person B and not vice versa?If a Muslim lives in Western Europe, is Islam the alien religion there or is Christianity the alien religion? Clearly Islam is the alien religion not Christianity

Hinduism is not the alien religion in South Asia, Catholicism is

[Jimbo Gomez]

No matter where you are, as a Christian hinduism will be alien to you.

[Lenny]

No matter where you are, as a Christian hinduism will be alien to you.Maybe so, but still you fail to see that Hinudism is not a bad religion. Not every non-Christian religion is "ipso facto" bad and evil, as Petr seems to think. Petr's irrational anti-Hindu posts are outrageous to me

Also Hinduism is an ally against Muslims

[Jimbo Gomez]

Maybe so, but still you fail to see that Hinudism is not a bad religion.

What does that have to do with what you and I are discussing?

[Lenny]

What does that have to do with what you and I are discussing?It has everything to do with it. Stop trying to spread distractions

[Jimbo Gomez]

It has everything to do with it. Stop trying to spread distractions

in other words: 'I don't know Stan, I was kinda hoping you wouldn't ask.'

[Lenny]

in other words: 'I don't know Stan, I was kinda hoping you wouldn't ask.':mad: wrong! We are talking about Hinduism, discussions of Hinduism have everything to do with it :argue:

Petr was spreading his poisons against Hinudism earlier in this thread as well so of course it has everything to do

[Jimbo Gomez]

I'll take note that the treatment of 'the untouchables' by their cohindus does not seem wrong in your protestant eyes... ;)

[Petr]

Maybe so, but still you fail to see that Hinudism is not a bad religion. Not every non-Christian religion is "ipso facto" bad and evil, as Petr seems to think. Petr's irrational anti-Hindu posts are outrageous to me
No real Christian would ever make these sorts of comments. You smell more and more as a mere troll using anti-Catholicism as your hobby-horse. You give anti-Catholics a bad name.

(And exactly what part of my posts are "irrational" and why? Explain.)


Petr

[jcs]

No real Christian would ever make these sorts of comments.
No real Christling, as all Christlings are absolutist cunts.

[Lenny]

No real Christian would ever make these sorts of comments.Listen Peter some non-Christian religions are not as bad as others. Your fanatacisim against Hinudism is really ridiculous

what part of my posts are "irrational" and why? Explain.See above. Your fanaticism and over-zealousness against things non-Christian (In this case Hindu), for no good reason other than because they are non-Christian. That is called irrationality

Pete- True Christians are not close minded fools like yourself

[Lenny]

hey Pete!

Christianity is not about hatred for other religions that are not Christian. Maybe one day you will realize this, Until then you will remain in darkness.


You are really pathetic

[Petr]

hey Pete! Christianity is not about hatred for other religions that are not Christian. Maybe one day you will realize this, Until then you will remain in darkness. You are really pathetic
Sounds like universalism. I frankly have more in common with traditional Roman Catholics than with Freemason- and Hindu-sympathizing neocons like you.


Petr