Iran president had ‘religious vision’ during UN speech

[Felix the Cat]

(So many Mahdis... This is like playing whack-a-mole.)

Iran president had ‘religious vision’ during UN speech (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/beba8d60-6039-11da-a3a6-0000779e2340.html)

A leading website in Iran has published a transcript and video recording of President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad claiming to have felt “a light” while addressing world leaders at the United Nations in New York in September. Baztab.com – a website linked to Mohsen Rezaei, former commander of the Revolutionary Guards – said the recording was made in a meeting between the president and Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi-Amoli, one of Iran’s leading Shia Muslim clerics.

According to the transcript, Mr Ahmadi-Nejad said someone present at the UN, possibly from his entourage, subsequently told him: “When you began with the words ‘In the name of God’… I saw a light coming, surrounding you and protecting you to the end [of the speech].” Mr Ahmadi-Nejad said he sensed a similar presence.

“I felt it myself, too, that suddenly the atmosphere changed and for 27-28 minutes the leaders could not blink,” the transcript continues. “I am not exaggerating…because I was looking. All the leaders were puzzled, as if a hand held them and made them sit. They had their eyes and ears open for the message from the Islamic Republic.”

Baztab.com quoted little of Ayatollah Javadi-Amoli’s reaction to Mr Ahmadi-Nejad’s claims, other than his call for officials “to carry out promises and refuse to fool people”.

Some clerics are already uneasy at Mr Ahmadi-Nejad’s religious beliefs, especially his emphasis on the “missing imam” – the Shia leader who entered occultation in 941 and whom Shia believe will return to rule before Judgment Day.

Mr Ahmadi-Nejad referred to the imam during his UN speech and his cabinet has allocated $17m for renovating Jamkaran mosque near the holy city of Qom, which pilgrims believe the imam visits on Tuesdays.

After watching the video on Baztab.com, Akbar Alami, a parliamentary deputy, told the semi-official news agency ILNA he hoped that it was not being distributed by people “close to the president” to make criticism of him “taboo among ordinary people”.

The Farda.com website, which is close to Ahmad Tavakoli, a leading fundamentalist deputy, took the opposite view. Noting the availability of DVDs of the meeting, it warned that Mr Ahmadi-Nejad’s opponents were behind distribution as “a pretext to insult him”.

Mr Alami highlighted the acute sensitivity of the issue by referring to Ali Mohammad Shirazi, a 19th-century Iranian scholar executed by firing squad after first claiming to be the “bab” (gate) to the missing imam and then to be the imam himself.

“The president should not be affected by fake inducement, machinations and praise by people around him,” he said. “From time to time, he might be told some nonsense as in New York.”

[Excorcism]

This guy's fucking stupid.

I wish there was a damn "Snipers R' Us" around here so the world can be rid of this moron.

[zenero]

This guy's fucking stupid.

I wish there was a damn "Snipers R' Us" around here so the world can be rid of this moron.Question to ya, Ex. Would you support a uprising in Iran? Just for you're ridicilous Pan-Aryan beliefs.

[Petr]

Smells like Israeli propaganda. I wonder how the original speech went.


Petr

[Felix the Cat]

(Here is another account of the speech)

Iran: President Says Light Surrounded Him During UN Speech (http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/11/184cb9fb-887c-4696-8f54-0799df747a4a.html)

Prague, 29 November 2005 (RFE/RL) -- According the report by baztab.com, President Ahmadinejad made the comments in a meeting with one of Iran's leading clerics, Ayatollah Javadi Amoli.

Ahmadinejad said that someone present at the UN told him that a light surrounded him while he was delivering his speech to the General Assembly. The Iranian president added that he also sensed it.

"He said when you began with the words 'in the name of God,' I saw that you became surrounded by a light until the end [of the speech]," Ahmadinejad appears to say in the video. "I felt it myself, too. I felt that all of a sudden the atmosphere changed there, and for 27-28 minutes all the leaders did not blink."

Ahmadinejad adds that he is not exaggerating.

"I am not exaggerating when I say they did not blink; it's not an exaggeration, because I was looking," he says. "They were astonished as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic."

Baztab.com reported that during the meeting, Ayatollah Amoli said that "carrying out promises and restraining from fooling people" is the most important duty, presumably of officials . However, it is unclear whether that comment is made in reaction to the claim made by Ahmadinejad.

Critics And Skeptics

Iranian legislator Akbar Alami has questioned Ahmadinejad's apparent claims, saying that even Islam's holiest figures have never made such claims.

Alami told ILNA news agency that it is hard to imagine that someone who is delivering a speech can at the same time focus his attention on the eyelashes of all the people sitting at a distance from him and categorically tell a leading Qom cleric that they did not blink.

Alami said he hopes the film of Ahmadinejad’s comments has not been distributed by people close to the president to make criticizing him "taboo among ordinary people."

However, FardaNews.com, a conservative website, reported that the meeting between Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Javadi Amoli was private. [Editor's note: FardaNews.com has no relation to RFE/RL's Radio Farda.] The website accused unspecified Ahmadinejad opponents of distributing the CD of the meeting to insult him.

Hossein Bastani, an Iranian journalist based in France, told RFE/RL that Ahmadinejad's comments can be interpreted in two ways.

"One analysis is that this government believes that it came to power with the votes of the so-called lowest class of the Iranian society and these are classes that believe more in such supernatural tales," Bastani said. "Therefore, this government tries, by propagating such rumors, to gain a dogmatic, charismatic, and holy status among those whom they think support them. The second view is that despite the fact that they are trying to fool people, maybe they also believe in these things that are being repeatedly published about them and said by them. This is more dangerous.”

Growing Trend

Since the presidential elections in Iran, many bizarre stories and rumors have circulated about Ahmadinejad. Many of them are related to his devotion to the 12th Imam, also known as Imam Mahdi, who according to Muslims has disappeared and will return at the end of time to lead an era of Islamic justice.

During his September speech at the UN, Ahmadinejad called for the reappearance of the 12th Imam.

In mid-November, during a speech to Friday prayers leaders from across Iran, Ahmadinejad said that the main mission of the revolution is to pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam.

In recent weeks, the president's aides have denied a rumor that he ordered his cabinet to write a pact of loyalty with the 12th Imam and throw it down a well near the holy city of Qom, where some believe the Imam is hiding.

Ahmadinejad's supporters said such rumors are being circulated about the president by opponents in efforts to defame him.

Tacit Approval?

But journalist Bastani said that many of the reported stories are based on comments made by Ahmadinejad and his cabinet members.

"Inside Iran, no one in a news [organization] takes the risk of publishing incorrect information about the president, who also controls the Information Ministry, [so] spreading lies about him has serious consequences," Bastani said. "In recent weeks and months, there has been much news similar to the meeting between Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Amoli. These [reports] include the allocation in at least two cases of heavy budgets for the Jamkaran mosque [at the well where some believe that Imam Mahdi is hiding] or comments by the president that have been quoted by the Iranian media in which he had said in an official meeting that the Hidden Imam will appear in two years."

There has been no reaction from President Ahmadinejad to the distribution and publication of his claim that a light surrounded him while he was addressing world leaders at the UN.

Mohammad Ali Abtahi, an adviser to former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, has warned against the misuse of religious sanctities and written on his website that it is natural that, at a time when the world is expecting a plan to end the deadlock over Iran's nuclear issue, attention is paid to the comments by the country's president.

Ahmadinejad has been criticized inside the country for his seeming lack of tact and his confrontational style on the international stage. His comments about his mystical experience at the UN could well lead to further criticism.

[Starr]

Smells like Israeli propaganda. I wonder how the original speech went.


Petr


Yeah, just another one of the many reasons we have to do something about those Islamic religious fanatics.;)

Between this, and George Bush's conversations with God, I smell a holy war.:222:

[Felix the Cat]

Signs indicating the emergence of the Mahdi in Sh'ia tradition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi#Signs_indicating_the_emergence_of_the_Mahdi)


The 6th Shia Imam, Jafar al-Sadiq, is reported to have said:

"Before the appearance of the one who will rise, peace be upon him, the people will be reprimanded for their acts of disobedience by a fire that will appear in the sky and a redness that will cover the sky. It will swallow up Baghdad, and will swallow up Kufa. Their blood will be shed and houses destroyed. Death will occur amid their people and a fear will come over the people of Iraq from which they shall have no rest."

There will be an insurgence by the Sufyani, a descendent of Abu Sufyan. Abu Sufyan is considered by Shias to have been one of Muhammad's greatest enemies, along with his son, Muawiya I and Muawiya's son, Yazid. According to Shia narrations, the Sufyani's revolution will start from Palestine/Jordan, and his reign of tyranny will span the Middle East from Iraq to Egypt.

A loud call from the sky signals the Mahdi's appearance.

[Excorcism]

Question to ya, Ex. Would you support a uprising in Iran? Just for you're ridicilous Pan-Aryan beliefs.

Yes, I would support an uprising if it would lead to a Democracy. I don't know if I would want PR, but that's up to the people.

Just to clarify with ya, and anyone else for that matter, I may be a mod at PanF, but I don't really believe so much in all of it's ideology. I don't believe Iranians to be "white" like people in Europe. I mainly refer to European descent as "white," but I believe Iranians to have been from Indo-European descent based on scholarly theories. That's really about it in concerns to PanF. Keep in mind you really don't know anything about me or my views.

[zenero]

Yes, I would support an uprising if it would lead to a Democracy. I don't know if I would want PR, but that's up to the people.Even if it was an Pro-Western democracy? Like the Shah, who brilliantly managed his country with Western influences. But still lost his beautiful Yank-ass kissing empire to some fucking Mahdi? Iran like Iraq, need's one leader.

Just to clarify with ya, and anyone else for that matter, I may be a mod at PanF,Wasn't aware of that. but I don't really believe so much in all of it's ideology.Let's say, Diabloblanco's ideology. I don't believe Iranians to be "white" like people in Europe.That's true, but i wasn't racially pointpinging the Iranians. Keep in mind you really don't know anything about me or my views.Actually that's true. You're quite a mystery. I know you dislike Arabs for one. You and others were disgusted about, those Christian people being abducted in Iraq, who all knows the risks of being kidnapped, what would lead definately to decapatation. Even if you're in some Kurdish Peshmerga safezone, the Sunni's are everywhere.

Or was it the MOSSAD!!! (http://judicial-inc.biz/10_marines_ambush_fallujah_12_2_2005.htm)

[Felix the Cat]

"One analysis is that this government believes that it came to power with the votes of the so-called lowest class of the Iranian society and these are classes that believe more in such supernatural tales," Bastani said. "Therefore, this government tries, by propagating such rumors, to gain a dogmatic, charismatic, and holy status among those whom they think support them. The second view is that despite the fact that they are trying to fool people, maybe they also believe in these things that are being repeatedly published about them and said by them. This is more dangerous.”

There is a third alternative, which is that he's acting crazy in order to scare the US government

I commented on this when he threatened Israel (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=11488&postcount=38), and predicted that it would result in a softer US line towards Tehran

This is exactly what is happening (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1960)

[Excorcism]

Even if it was an Pro-Western democracy? Like the Shah, who brilliantly managed his country with Western influences. But still lost his beautiful Yank-ass kissing empire to some fucking Mahdi? Iran like Iraq, need's one leader.


Ya, It's kind of hard on thinking what system shoudl be emplaced in Iran, but I can't really do anything about it. All I can do is sit back and watch like the rest of us.

Anyways, I'm a mystery guy because i'm probably second to Stan in making very small posts. I normally just don't reveal much information about myself. But who really does?

[Kodos]

This guy's fucking stupid.

I wish there was a damn "Snipers R' Us" around here so the world can be rid of this moron.

I don't like the idea of a guy who will have nukes soon having religious visions and threatening nuclear anniliation. He has to die.