Racist MO

[MrAngry]

Is there a tick list that racists/racialists use? There seems to be a common approach to racism that gets repeated time after time. It always seems to ends in insults, particularly if the argument is being lost. But what is on this tick list?

Let me start with, and please feel free to chip in,

Condescending attitude or behavior.

Racists have a condescending attitude towards members of other races.

They have the need to show some form of superiority or claim the moral high ground whilst in debate.

Indifference to opinions

It is typical of racists to make fun of non racists particularly non whites and ethnic minorities. At best, racists only care about what people of their own race think of them.

Racial stereotypes.

Confusing race with culture, a belief that certain races are more adept in particular jobs or functions, a belief in differences in intelligence between the races, etc.

:deadhorse:

[Janus]

At best, racists only care about what people of their own race think of them.Do "antiracists" usually care what "racists" think about them, IYE?...a belief that certain races are more adept in particular jobs or functions, a belief in differences in intelligence between the races, etc. Certain "races" are both more adept at specific-behaviors and more intelligent than other "races".

[Starr]

[QUOTE=MrAngry]Is there a tick list that racists/racialists use? There seems to be a common approach to racism that gets repeated time after time. It always seems to ends in insults, particularly if the argument is being lost. But what is on this tick list?

A lot of people resort to these tactics if they feel they are loosing a debate. Even in discussions that do not have a thing to do with race. Any numbers of subjects can reduce a person to these tactics. On the topic of race, anti-racists are by no means free of this. They are some of the most self-righteous and arrogant people I have ever come across.

Let me start with, and please feel free to chip in,

Condescending attitude or behavior.

Racists have a condescending attitude towards members of other races.

They have the need to show some form of superiority or claim the moral high ground whilst in debate.

Condescending attitudes come into play in any debate including(but not limited to) debates about race mostly because when a person has certain views that they believe are "the truth", they might begin to get a little frustrated that people refuse to look at or even consider these ideas which to them are so obvious and truthful. i cannot speak for everyone, but that is how I sometimes begin to feel.
If anyone displays the "I have the moral high ground" attitude, this is again coming from the anti-racists side. Look at some of the stuff Globus says to people as an example.


It is typical of racists to make fun of non racists particularly non whites and ethnic minorities. At best, racists only care about what people of their own race think of them.

This does happen, yes. but I have also seen people who I would consider very hard core racists also treat, for example, black nationalists with a lot of respect and curtesy. There are many white nationalists who seem to have lots of respect for someone like Louis Farrakhan and similar blacks.

Racial stereotypes.

Confusing race with culture, a belief that certain races are more adept in particular jobs or functions, a belief in differences in intelligence between the races, etc.

these stereotypes exist among many people not just those who would consider themselves to be "racists" and they exist, like many stereotypes, because they have a degree of truth to them. The IQ gap has been proven true time and again not only in countless studies, but also in the very different social status that exist in multi-racial societies and the conditions and history of lack of advancement in third world nations.

Welcome back, btw.

[MrAngry]

A lot of people resort to these tactics if they feel they are loosing a debate. Even in discussions that do not have a thing to do with race. Any numbers of subjects can reduce a person to these tactics. On the topic of race, anti-racists are by no means free of this. They are some of the most self-righteous and arrogant people I have ever come across.

I think it depends on how "wrong" you are, if one of my long held beliefs has been blown then I tend to get upset, more with myself really. The natural reaction is to lash out. Generally, IMO, the more fundamental racists and anti racists tend too use this behaviour more.



Condescending attitudes come into play in any debate including(but not limited to) debates about race mostly because when a person has certain views that they believe are "the truth", they might begin to get a little frustrated that people refuse to look at or even consider these ideas which to them are so obvious and truthful. i cannot speak for everyone, but that is how I sometimes begin to feel.
If anyone displays the "I have the moral high ground" attitude, this is again coming from the anti-racists side. Look at some of the stuff Globus says to people as an example.

Again, I agree to whilst there are a few examples on one side (antis) there are many on the other (racists). Particularly in regard to colour.



This does happen, yes. but I have also seen people who I would consider very hard core racists also treat, for example, black nationalists with a lot of respect and curtesy. There are many white nationalists who seem to have lots of respect for someone like Louis Farrakhan and similar blacks.

I have an equal view of BN and WN, which isn't entirely positive.



these stereotypes exist among many people not just those who would consider themselves to be "racists" and they exist, like many stereotypes, because they have a degree of truth to them. The IQ gap has been proven true time and again not only in countless studies, but also in the very different social status that exist in multi-racial societies and the conditions and history of lack of advancement in third world nations.

I agree to a point, in that there are definate physical differences. London is now very much a multicultural city, it has good areas that are ethnically diverse, and shitholes that are ethnically diverse, I still maintain that the link between social status, crime etc has a bearing on the behaviour of people regardless of colour, race ethnicity.
Without starting yet another debate reagrding IQ as a valid method of measuring intelligence we should just accept that we disagree.



Welcome back, btw.

Thanks :)

[Helios Panoptes]

Mr. Angry why do you make this weird, sweeping this is what you are posts? Its a forum. You make posts, and debate. Its not all that serious, and you seem to have a fascination with the gutter posters that everyone else has on ignore. The sooner you realise this the sooner you can stop making the same thread on a near monthly basis wherein you theorize on your experiences of the Phora like you're a wildlife expert looking at some kind of rare-bird.

It's been close to a month. You're right on time.

This thread does not deserve comment. It is exactly like every other thread you have ever started.

[MrAngry]

It's been close to a month. You're right on time.

This thread does not deserve comment. It is exactly like every other thread you have ever started.


Aw, because I pricked your sensitivities some time ago you are behaving like a petulant teenager.

But just to point out the contradiction in your post, your have commented.

Thanks

[Helios Panoptes]

It has nothing to do with you pricking my sensibilities. I don't value your opinions on any subject, so you have no effect on me. That said, what I said earlier is true. You are a one-trick pony. Most of the threads you start go something like this: "Racists are mean, they generalize a lot, they like to feel superior, etc." It ceased to be remotely interesting the first time, but you are so devoid of insight that it's truly all you have to contribute.

Obviously, by "it doesn't deserve comment," I meant that it doesn't deserve more than the scorn I gave it. That is, it doesn't deserve a thoughtful rebuttal. You really caught me there, though. Yous one slick muddafukka.

[Julian Curtis Lee]

I try to be straightforward, honest, and rational in my defense of racial diversity. (In my racially conscious arguments.) I appreciate the other races for what they are. And I don't want to see them die out, and especially my own race of Europeans.
Confusing race with culture, a belief that certain races are more adept in particular jobs or functions, a belief in differences in intelligence between the races, etc.
It is you who confuse culture with race. Whites became highly dexterous, for example, because of the work necessary to live in the northern climes. That's why they can play the violin the way they do. I have never seen even one black violinist playing the exceedingly difficult violin parts used in European classical music, which are played every day by countless White violinists. The reason you don't see them is: They can't do it. I even doubt that many are even capable of reading of sheet music that is necessary to play in an orchestra. I am not trying to put Blacks down, but those few extra average I.Q. points are crucial for something as cerebral as that.

That's just one case. Not that Blacks don't have their special racial virtues, because they do. In fact they are strong in certain virtues in which Whites are weak (like emotional presence, for example). And the White races have certain flaws that are unique to them. But the races are not the same.

[MrAngry]

I try to be straightforward, honest, and rational in my defense of racial diversity. (In my racially conscious arguments.) I appreciate the other races for what they are. And I don't want to see them die out, and especially my own race of Europeans.

It is you who confuse culture with race. Whites became highly dexterous, for example, because of the work necessary to live in the northern climes. That's why they can play the violin the way they do. I have never seen even one black violinist playing the exceedingly difficult violin parts used in European classical music, which are played every day by countless White violinists. The reason you don't see them is: They can't do it. I even doubt that many are even capable of reading of sheet music that is necessary to play in an orchestra. I am not trying to put Blacks down, but those few extra average I.Q. points are crucial for something as cerebral as that.

That's just one case. Not that Blacks don't have their special racial virtues, because they do. In fact they are strong in certain virtues in which Whites are weak (like emotional presence, for example). And the White races have certain flaws that are unique to them. But the races are not the same.


I can't disagree with most of your post, there are physical differences and attributes, these can be easily measured on a like for like basis.
The measure of intelligence or intelligence potential is far more complex and I don't believe it has been conclusively proved.

[MrAngry]

It has nothing to do with you pricking my sensibilities. I don't value your opinions on any subject, so you have no effect on me. That said, what I said earlier is true. You are a one-trick pony. Most of the threads you start go something like this: "Racists are mean, they generalize a lot, they like to feel superior, etc." It ceased to be remotely interesting the first time, but you are so devoid of insight that it's truly all you have to contribute.


It's abundantly clear that I do have an effect on you, you seem to drop the bullshit pseudo intellectual nonsense and degenerate into petulant little boy nonsense. :whip:


Obviously, by "it doesn't deserve comment," I meant that it doesn't deserve more than the scorn I gave it. That is, it doesn't deserve a thoughtful rebuttal. You really caught me there, though. Yous one slick muddafukka.

Scorn! :rofl: Well I may not sleep well at night now, so you can put away your English to intellectual bullshit translater and go on your merry way.

ta ta! :rofl:

[Roland]

Whites became highly dexterous, for example, because of the work necessary to live in the northern climes. That's why they can play the violin the way they do. I have never seen even one black violinist playing the exceedingly difficult violin parts used in European classical music

I have no idea how you can back up the claim that blacks aren't dexterous. I assume you are making this claim since you prefixed your statement about white violinists with the statement that whites are, due to evolution, "highly dexterous."

Because most blacks do not play classical music, it does not follow that they cannot. A cursory search of the Internet will reveal videos of highly dexterous blacks manipulating classical instruments, such as violins.

In any case, many of the "great" black musicians were classically trained, and only later indulged in the repetition and rhythm of their ancestry.

I would propose that one of the primary reasons that many blacks do not play classical music is that their racial chauvinism precludes them from serious, objective consideration of white music.

[Helios Panoptes]

It's abundantly clear that I do have an effect on you, you seem to drop the bullshit pseudo intellectual nonsense and degenerate into petulant little boy nonsense.

Let's be serious for a moment, do you not agree that I have captured you well with "one-trick pony"? Every month or so, you start the same thread. Actually, they're so similar that you could simply copy and paste the previous one and it would make little difference.

[MrAngry]

Let's be serious for a moment, do you not agree that I have captured you well with "one-trick pony"? Every month or so, you start the same thread. Actually, they're so similar that you could simply copy and paste the previous one and it would make little difference.


Take a look at threads started, we all have our favorite subjects HP, even you.

[Helios Panoptes]

Take a look at threads started, we all have our favorite subjects HP, even you.

I have my favorite subjects, sure, but I am nearly as monomaniacal as you are. I like to discuss a variety of subjects, whereas it is rare that you say anything other than "raciss is bad." That isn't to say that you never do, but you are one of the most single-minded posters here. In addition, I don't find your comments insightful. Racists are nasty, racists generalize, racists are condescending: these are anti-racist platitudes that have been heard 10 million times. If you want to comment on the character of racists, you must say something fresh and interesting, not merely rehash the same old claptrap.

Also, unlike you, I don't start the same topic every month so predictably that you could set your clock to it. The points you made in this thread are essentially identical to the "why anti-racists don't post on the phora" thread. Only the context of the observations has shifted.

[MrAngry]

I have my favorite subjects, sure, but I am nearly as monomaniacal as you are. I like to discuss a variety of subjects, whereas it is rare that you say anything other than "raciss is bad." That isn't to say that you never do, but you are one of the most single-minded posters here. In addition, I don't find your comments insightful. Racists are nasty, racists generalize, racists are condescending: these are anti-racist platitudes that have been heard 10 million times. If you want to comment on the character of racists, you must say something fresh and interesting, not merely rehash the same old claptrap.

Also, unlike you, I don't start the same topic every month so predictably that you could set your clock to it. The points you made in this thread are essentially identical to the "why anti-racists don't post on the phora" thread. Only the context of the observations has shifted.

Thanks for the advice I shall bear it in mind. I have had enough of this petty argument so if it makes you feel better I will acquiesce to you.

[Kriger]

Your choice of avatars has shown improvement.

[MrAngry]

Your choice of avatars has shown improvement.


I'm glad you approve. :)

[Winston]

Your choice of avatars has shown improvement.

It's only a matter of time before he draws a swinging cock and balls on it. ;)

[MrAngry]

It's only a matter of time before he draws a swinging cock and balls on it. ;)


:rofl: :rofl: Only if apendagedly (sic) challenged!

[Sulla the Dictator]

Whites became highly dexterous, for example, because of the work necessary to live in the northern climes. That's why they can play the violin the way they do.


LOL No. I don't see what plowing has to do with playing the violin, but whatever. The fact is that many of the greatest musicians of the 20th century have been black. Now I'm sure you don't like Jazz or other forms of black music, but the fact remains that it is absurd to DENY the instrumental talent of Miles Davis or Louis Armstrong or Charlie Parker.

[Omniel]

I do hold opinions that you might think are racist, Mr Angry. I'm not a condescending person, or a bully, so I'm pretty certain that these opinions are not a byproduct of some kind of personality disorder. I'm sure that some racists are a bit nuts, but then you encounter crazy people everywhere -not least among the 'ethnic minorities'. The issue is really a matter of proportion. My point is that blacks commit crime at a disproportionate rate in comparison to other races, including your own. That's a problem, isn't it?

[Leshrac]

It always seems to ends in insults [2], particularly if the argument is being lost [1]. But what is on this tick list?

[1]- By who ?
[2]- Check the websites, "racists" rarely if ever START the name-calling.

[Keystone]

I do hold opinions that you might think are racist, Mr Angry. I'm not a condescending person, or a bully, so I'm pretty certain that these opinions are not a byproduct of some kind of personality disorder... My point is that blacks commit crime at a disproportionate rate in comparison to other races, including your own. That's a problem, isn't it?
It is a problem, but telling that to "anti-racists" simply won't wash.

Like yourself I'm not a bullly or someone who relishes conflict for its own sake, but I have two eyes, and I can't deny blacks as a group in the US are a danger to society. They are prone to violence and infantile behavior. If they would suddenly mend their ways, I wouldn't have a problem with living in the same country with them, although not together.
Their culture is not mine.

[Starr]

Like yourself I'm not a bullly or someone who relishes conflict for its own sake, but I have two eyes, and I can't deny blacks as a group in the US are a danger to society. They are prone to violence and infantile behavior. If they would suddenly mend their ways, I wouldn't have a problem with living in the same country with them, although not together.

What passes as their culture feeds into their worst behavioral tendencies without all of that there could be some slight improvments, but for the most part it would be impossible for them to mend their ways and begin to live and behave in ways that would be completely acceptable by our standards, just as we could not live according to theirs.

[Holly]

Well, what tick list [whatever that is] do anti racists/ use?
They whine non stop and keep repeating the same crap, just like you.
It seems to me MrAngry that you are very unhappy with your heritage [why you chose that name?] And are looking to pass blame why you are who you are.
The natural people to blame are those who you wish you were, and this I think will confuse you into a crazy mind if you do not accept who and what you are and then try to make the best of it.

[Keystone]

What passes as their culture feeds into their worst behavioral tendencies without all of that there could be some slight improvments, but for the most part it would be impossible for them to mend their ways and begin to live and behave in ways that would be completely acceptable by our standards, just as we could not live according to theirs.
Sadly, that's true.

What options are left? Being a white separatist?

[LastResort56]

Originally Posted by Mr. Angry
Condescending attitude or behavior.

Racists have a condescending attitude towards members of other races.
http://slantmouth.com/articles/fugeddabaddit/images/cryingMan.jpg

"Those awful, awful racists!"


Is there a tick list that racists/racialists use? There seems to be a common approach to racism that gets repeated time after time. It always seems to ends in insults, particularly if the argument is being lost. But what is on this tick list?

Heh, and this is coming from a poster that starts his threads on how rude, repetitive, or stupid his opponents are. "Racists; whats their tick and malfunction?"

[Sulla the Dictator]

What passes as their culture feeds into their worst behavioral tendencies without all of that there could be some slight improvments


:rolleyes:

You've got season tickets to the opera, do you?

[Starr]

:rolleyes:

You've got season tickets to the opera, do you?


No, but I also am not part of a "community" that praises gang banging, pimping the bitches and hoes and crack smoking either.

[MrAngry]

Well, what tick list [whatever that is] do anti racists/ use?
They whine non stop and keep repeating the same crap, just like you.
It seems to me MrAngry that you are very unhappy with your heritage [why you chose that name?] And are looking to pass blame why you are who you are.
The natural people to blame are those who you wish you were, and this I think will confuse you into a crazy mind if you do not accept who and what you are and then try to make the best of it.


:rofl: I'm pretty cool with who I am, I would guess that you have issues that need addressing. Having looked at your profile this will be my last post to you, not that you thoughts aren't valid, just that you seem a little young to be insulting me and I won't get drawn into a flame with a child. :)

[MrAngry]

I do hold opinions that you might think are racist, Mr Angry. I'm not a condescending person, or a bully, so I'm pretty certain that these opinions are not a byproduct of some kind of personality disorder. I'm sure that some racists are a bit nuts, but then you encounter crazy people everywhere -not least among the 'ethnic minorities'. The issue is really a matter of proportion. My point is that blacks commit crime at a disproportionate rate in comparison to other races, including your own. That's a problem, isn't it?


Crime is a problem regardless of who commits it. Would you accept that there is a link between crime and poverty?

[Omniel]

:rofl: I'm pretty cool with who I am, I would guess that you have issues that need addressing. Having looked at your profile this will be my last post to you, not that you thoughts aren't valid, just that you seem a little young to be insulting me and I won't get drawn into a flame with a child. :)
Antiracist in Ad Hominem Shocker!

[Omniel]

Crime is a problem regardless of who commits it. Would you accept that there is a link between crime and poverty?
Yes, of course.

[MrAngry]

Yes, of course.

Then do you also accept that the majority of blacks in the US are poor?

[Omniel]

Then do you also accept that the majority of blacks in the US are poor?
Why yes, yes I do.

[MrAngry]

Why yes, yes I do.


I guess you can see where this is going then..... ;)

Is the link therefore poverty and crime and not colour and crime?

[Starr]

Then do you also accept that the majority of blacks in the US are poor?


It seems poverty is always something that disproportionately effects blacks anywhere they are in the world. Why is this such a consistent factor? Why do they more than anyone else consistantly live in squalor, whether it be Africa, Haiti, the United states and other western countries?

And some of the white folks who live in rural areas in the U.S. are also very poor, yet their communities are not plagued by crime.

[Commander]

Then do you also accept that the majority of blacks in the US are poor?
There are more poor whites than poor blacks in the U.S. The # of blacks per 1000 of population in jail is much higher.

[Omniel]

I guess you can see where this is going then..... ;)

Is the link therefore poverty and crime and not colour and crime?
Well, that's a very complex argument you've put forward there. Would you mind if I spend a little time considering it, before I accept your hypothesis?

I do have a few questions for you -firstly, I often find myself wondering if there is a connection between poverty and IQ. You seem quite a well read gent -do you think that's the case?

[MrAngry]

It seems poverty is always something that disproportionately effects blacks anywhere they are in the world. Why is this such a consistent factor?

And some of the white folks who live in rural areas in the U.S. are also very poor, yet their communities are not plagued by crime.


You really cannot compare inner city areas to rural areas where neighbours could be miles apart.

[MrAngry]

There are more poor whites than poor blacks in the U.S. The # of blacks per 1000 of population in jail is much higher.

Asians, 10.4 million popuulation, $21,566 average income, life expectancy 84.9 years;
Northland low-income rural whites, 3.6 million population, $17,758 average income, life expectancy 79 years;
Middle Americans, 214 million population, $24,640 average income, life expectancy 77.9 years;
Low-income whites in Appalachia and Mississippi, 16.6 million population, $16,390 average income, life expectancy 75 years;
Western Native American, 1 million, $10,029 average income, life expectancy 72.7 years;
Black middle America, 23.4 million population, $15,412 average income, life expectancy 72.9 years;
Southern, rural, low-income black, 5.8 million population, $10,463 average income, life expectancy 71.2 years; and
High-risk urban black, 7.5 million population, $14,800 average income, life expectancy 71.1 years.

[MrAngry]

I do hold opinions that you might think are racist, Mr Angry. I'm not a condescending person, or a bully, so I'm pretty certain that these opinions are not a byproduct of some kind of personality disorder. I'm sure that some racists are a bit nuts, but then you encounter crazy people everywhere -not least among the 'ethnic minorities'. The issue is really a matter of proportion. My point is that blacks commit crime at a disproportionate rate in comparison to other races, including your own. That's a problem, isn't it?

:rolleyes:

Well, that's a very complex argument you've put forward there. Would you mind if I spend a little time considering it, before I accept your hypothesis?

No hypothesis given,just a statement of fact. If you switch off your laptop and visit any inner city area that is predominately poor you will see, with your own eyes, without data or hypothesis that poverty leads to crime regardless of colour, ethnicty or the colour of socks. Lif experience, nothing better.


I do have a few questions for you -firstly, I often find myself wondering if there is a connection between poverty and IQ. You seem quite a well read gent -do you think that's the case?

There is a link between poverty and academic attainment.

[Commander]

Mr. Angry, you sound typical of liberals in England, going on about blacks in the U.S. like you actually have a clue what you are talking about.

I grew up in the Detroit area, [in a city beside it] I am not what some would call a "racist" nor do I have a reason to show bias. To say that blacks are more involved in crime because of (1)"poverty" or some kind of (2) "discrimination from whites" is over simplification in the extreme sense. Those are factors I suppose, at least #1, but it's more than just that.

[MrAngry]

Mr. Angry, you sound typical of liberals in England, going on about blacks in the U.S. like you actually have a clue what you are talking about.

I grew up in the Detroit area, [in a city beside it] I am not what some would call a "racist" nor do I have a reason to show bias. To say that blacks are more involved in crime because of (1)"poverty" or some kind of (2) "discrimination from whites" is over simplification in the extreme sense. Those are factors I suppose, at least #1, but it's more than just that.


I grew up in a city called Hull. Hull is regularly voted as the worst city in the UK, factors such as crime, educational attainment, income levels, etc are used as a measure, Hull has less than 1/2% ethnic population.

You suggest that poverty and discrimination are over simplied reasons, but they are significant to those who are on the recieving end of them.

[Omniel]

No hypothesis given,just a statement of fact. If you switch off your laptop and visit any inner city area that is predominately poor you will see, with your own eyes, without data or hypothesis that poverty leads to crime regardless of colour, ethnicty or the colour of socks. Lif experience, nothing better.

Effectively, you're basing this on anecdotal experience. Are you saying that I should ignore statistics and go out and experience the real world? I've done that, Mr Angry. I grew up around poverty. Members of my family have been mugged/beaten and even an attempted rape, and in all cases, blacks. I certainly did not grow up in an ivory tower. Anecdotes can go either way, can't they?

There is a link between poverty and academic attainment.
When you formed this hypothesis of yours, did you consider the possibility that IQ might be the cause of low academic achievement, or that IQ might be a major factor in the cause of poverty among a group? If so, what was your conclusion?

I'm really curious if you considered facts or statistics outside of your personal experiences in forming this worldview of yours.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

I never claim to be superior. I claim to be different.

[Starr]

Race and crime rates in the U.S. from human rights watch:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-01.htm

The disproportionate representation of black Americans in the U.S. criminal justice system is well documented. Blacks comprise 13 percent of the national population, but 30 percent of people arrested, 41 percent of people in jail, and 49 percent of those in prison

If you think about stats like these reasonably, there are more whites than blacks who are living in poverty. Poverty alone can not account for the fact that blacks being 13% of the population represent half of all prisoners.

[MrAngry]

I never claim to be superior. I claim to be different.

You are certainly differentall right! :)

[MrAngry]

Effectively, you're basing this on anecdotal experience. Are you saying that I should ignore statistics and go out and experience the real world? I've done that, Mr Angry. I grew up around poverty. Members of my family have been mugged/beaten and even an attempted rape, and in all cases, blacks. I certainly did not grow up in an ivory tower. Anecdotes can go either way, can't they?


When you formed this hypothesis of yours, did you consider the possibility that IQ might be the cause of low academic achievement, or that IQ might be a major factor in the cause of poverty among a group? If so, what was your conclusion?

I'm really curious if you considered facts or statistics outside of your personal experiences in forming this worldview of yours.


If you are alluding to Rushton Lynn and Jensen, I have considered, although not analysed deeply their work. I also realise that their work has been refuted by many.

Do you base your world view on data and spurious research?

[delete]

I also realise that their work has been refuted by many.

Do you base your world view on data and spurious research?

How do you know that it is spurious research? You are just like the holohoaxers, claiming stuff 'like their work has been refuted by many', without thelling what exactly is spurious, or what exactly was refuted.

[Omniel]

If you are alluding to Rushton Lynn and Jensen, I have considered, although not analysed deeply their work. I also realise that their work has been refuted by many.

Do you base your world view on data and spurious research?
No, I started out very antiracist a few years ago, just as you are now. Just like you, I am a member of an ethnic minority, so I felt rather obliged to take a pro-multiculturalist, antiracist stance. Honestly, I thought that all racists were ignorant filth.

Then, just as you yourself advised a few posts back, I decided to look at the world around me. An honest look, that was free from any bias based upon what I might prefer to be the case as a person of Jewish heritage.

I noticed that black culture was permeated with a materialist, violent, hyper-sexualised misogynistic status system. I noticed that, for as long as I could remember, blacks had been far more likely to express aggressive, criminal behaviour than any other race I'd been around. Two of my friends were teachers in inner city schools -staunch liberals who, when they were drunk and relaxed would bemoan the disturbing, violent, stupid and oversexed natures of their black pupils, and talk about what bullies they could be to the other children, forming highly aggressive gangs and requiring security (and even police) intervention to control them. Police routinely patrol schools with a high black presence in London at home time. I recalled the numerous occasions that friends and members of my family had been attacked or threatened by blacks.

My personal experiences were not the basis of my beliefs, but they definitely served as a wake-up call to spend more time considering the statistical evidence that told the same story.

Admittedly, I spent a little time pretending that this wasn't the case, before eventually noticing that crime statistics the world over were contradicting my egalitarian stance.

What do you base your opinions on? I can offer you plenty examples of black criminality -from prison statistics, to examples of disproportionate criminal activity. I can also offer you examples of black low IQ, worldwide. I'd rather not turn this discussion into a link-fest, but I would like to know this:

Is your stance entirely based upon personal experience, or did you question your beliefs in light of the available evidence? If so, what statistical or factual evidence did you consider in taking a stance as an antiracist?

[MrAngry]

No, I started out very antiracist a few years ago, just as you are now. Just like you, I am a member of an ethnic minority, so I felt rather obliged to take a pro-multiculturalist, antiracist stance. Honestly, I thought that all racists were ignorant filth.

Then, just as you yourself advised a few posts back, I decided to look at the world around me. An honest look, that was free from any bias based upon what I might prefer to be the case as a person of Jewish heritage.

I noticed that black culture was permeated with a materialist, violent, hyper-sexualised misogynistic status system. I noticed that, for as long as I could remember, blacks had been far more likely to express aggressive, criminal behaviour than any other race I'd been around. Two of my friends were teachers in inner city schools -staunch liberals who, when they were drunk and relaxed would bemoan the disturbing, violent, stupid and oversexed natures of their black pupils, and talk about what bullies they could be to the other children, forming highly aggressive gangs and requiring security (and even police) intervention to control them. Police routinely patrol schools with a high black presence in London at home time. I recalled the numerous occasions that friends and members of my family had been attacked or threatened by blacks.

My personal experiences were not the basis of my beliefs, but they definitely served as a wake-up call to spend more time considering the statistical evidence that told the same story.

Admittedly, I spent a little time pretending that this wasn't the case, before eventually noticing that crime statistics the world over were contradicting my egalitarian stance.

What do you base your opinions on? I can offer you plenty examples of black criminality -from prison statistics, to examples of disproportionate criminal activity. I can also offer you examples of black low IQ, worldwide. I'd rather not turn this discussion into a link-fest, but I would like to know this:

Is your stance entirely based upon personal experience, or did you question your beliefs in light of the available evidence? If so, what statistical or factual evidence did you consider in taking a stance as an antiracist?

Before I respond what is your ethnicity?

[Omniel]

Before I respond what is your ethnicity?
I told you in the post, I'm of Jewish ethnicity.

[Starr]

I noticed that black culture was permeated with a materialist, violent, hyper-sexualised misogynistic status system. I noticed that, for as long as I could remember, blacks had been far more likely to express aggressive, criminal behaviour than any other race I'd been around. Two of my friends were teachers in inner city schools -staunch liberals who, when they were drunk and relaxed would bemoan the disturbing, violent, stupid and oversexed natures of their black pupils, and talk about what bullies they could be to the other children, forming highly aggressive gangs and requiring security (and even police) intervention to control them.

Teachers, especially in the inner cities, just like cops probably are more racially aware on some level than most, since they have to deal with racial realities every day. Burrhus(if I am not mistaken him with someone else) was a teacher for a while and has talked about some of these things, as well. There are also a few different articles around here where other teachers have talked about certain truths that they have personally seen and witnessed and quickly got labeled as "racist."

Police routinely patrol schools with a high black presence in London at home time. I recalled the numerous occasions that friends and members of my family had been attacked or threatened by blacks.

It's funny a lot of anti-racists will pipe in to talk about how all of the widely reported mass school shootings always happen in the white neighborhoods and involve white students. Well I wonder why? Could it be because so many of the black schools have had so many problems with all kinds of violence that they all have to have metal detectors and others kinds of security, making it so something like this cannot happen, while the white schools are relatively calm in comparison and so these measures are not needed? Whites kids once in a blue moon might loose it and do these things, but if the black schools were not highly kept in check as so many of them are, there would be all kinds of violence on a much larger and more consistant level(even worse than would still occurs in these schools now.)

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Teachers, especially in the inner cities, just like cops probably are more racially aware on some level than most, since they have to deal with racial realities every day. Burrhus(if I am not mistaken him with someone else) was a teacher for a while and has talked about some of these things, as well. There are also a few different articles around here where other teachers have talked about certain truths that they have personally seen and witnessed and quickly got labeled as "racist."

Working as a teacher for somali, muslim and east asian immigrants turned me a racist. Of the teachers who started the year, 2 finished, and those two quit, when the summer holiday started.

All of us turned more or less openly racist, and nobody of the teatchers were in any doubts that men were better than women when it comes to science. I think it is difficult to stay political correct when you are confronted with real life.

[Holly]

:rofl: I'm pretty cool with who I am, I would guess that you have issues that need addressing. Having looked at your profile this will be my last post to you, not that you thoughts aren't valid, just that you seem a little young to be insulting me and I won't get drawn into a flame with a child. :)

Very good then - Anyone can notice who is insulting who I am sure, and you not being a child I wonder of your excuse.
No matter, have a good life bye bye

[Commander]

Working as a teacher for somali, muslim and east asian immigrants turned me a racist. Of the teachers who started the year, 2 finished, and those two quit, when the summer holiday started.

All of us turned more or less openly racist, and nobody of the teatchers were in any doubts that men were better than women when it comes to science. I think it is difficult to stay political correct when you are confronted with real life.

You didn't "turn racist" what you did was start to realize there is a certain ethnic factor involved in perceiving threats to one's safety. Getting threw the day is job #1. :)

[Der Sozialist]

Before I respond what is your ethnicity?
I do remember that when you were asked this yourself, you balked at the answer. Now, why do you need to know Thaumiel's ethnicity?

[Leshrac]

Herm, hellooooo ?

I find it funny that mr.angry keeps whining about how race doesn't exist while constantly asking people for their ethnicity (lol, new anti PC word for race).

[Commander]

I personally think, people who go on & on about race, & how they are so non-racist, bla bla bla, do in reality have a certain degree of racial awareness. They seem to feel the need to constantly prove to others how "non-racist" they are.

Myself, I go threw the day without thinking about this or feeling the need to convince myself, or others, of my own "purity of thought".

[Helios Panoptes]

I do remember that when you were asked this yourself, you balked at the answer. Now, why do you need to know Thaumiel's ethnicity?

Not only did he balk at the answer, he started a thread to complain about it:

Racialist, racists, fascists and many other odious forms of discriminatory people mainly populate the “Phora”. A common tactic is for them to ask non-racists for their ethnicity, (which I declined to divulge initially), dependent on this, any thread, discussion or argument will inevitability end in name calling or dismissal because the opinion or views of a non white is not valid.

[Helios Panoptes]

If you are alluding to Rushton Lynn and Jensen, I have considered, although not analysed deeply their work. I also realise that their work has been refuted by many.

Do you base your world view on data and spurious research?

Are you aware that virtually every scholar who publishes is critiqued by other academics? The way to judge whether or not they've been "refuted" is to read the original works, the critiques, and the responses. You admit that you have done none of this.

[Dances with Wolves]

MrAngry should change his moniker to "MrConfused".

[Dances with Wolves]

LOL I almost passed out from laughing so hard!! :beerchug:

[MrAngry]

Not only did he balk at the answer, he started a thread to complain about it:

Thaumiel stated he was an ethnic minority before I asked of which race. I use race loosely. His view could be from the perspective of someone who is white in the post that he made, I don't know because I haven't asked him yet.

Now are you are still smarting over the comment I made over you having a problem with Jack? If so please wipe away your tears and get on with it. :whip:

[MrAngry]

LOL I almost passed out from laughing so hard!! :beerchug:


Hopefully a full on heart attack will follow! :rofl:

[MrAngry]

Are you aware that virtually every scholar who publishes is critiqued by other academics? The way to judge whether or not they've been "refuted" is to read the original works, the critiques, and the responses. You admit that you have done none of this.



:deadhorse:

[Helios Panoptes]

You seriously think I give a flying f*ck about that, much less a month after you said it? Lol...

[Helios Panoptes]

:deadhorse:

????????????

[MrAngry]

You seriously think I give a flying f*ck about that, much less a month after you said it? Lol...


Yes...... :viking:

[Helios Panoptes]

Yes...... :viking:

Well, then you have a greatly inflated sense of your own importance. Let's retrace our steps: you said that I dislike a poster, I said that I do not. A dispute like that really stirs the blood up!

[MrAngry]

Well, then you have a greatly inflated sense of your own importance. Let's retrace our steps: you said that I dislike a poster, I said that I do not. A dispute like that really stirs the blood up!

:rofl: I have an inflated sense of my own importance! :rofl:

Well now Helois, that is very rich coming from a pompous, over indulgent, pseudo intellectual and not least petulant excuse of a man (debateable). :rofl:

Why don't you just admit it, you didn't like Jack, shame we can't get his opinion on this now he's gone...... ;)

[ivory bill]

:rofl: I have an inflated sense of my own importance! :rofl:

Well now Helois, that is very rich coming from a pompous, over indulgent, pseudo intellectual and not least petulant excuse of a man (debateable). :rofl:

Why don't you just admit it, you didn't like Jack, shame we can't get his opinion on this now he's gone...... ;)

??? I thought this thread had something to do with racism and Mr Angry's monthly statement of distaste for it. What is this girly talk about who dislikes whom? Ecch...

[Helios Panoptes]

:rofl: I have an inflated sense of my own importance! :rofl:

Well now Helois, that is very rich coming from a pompous, over indulgent, pseudo intellectual and not least petulant excuse of a man (debateable). :rofl:

Why don't you just admit it, you didn't like Jack, shame we can't get his opinion on this now he's gone...... ;)

You're not making any sense. I do not depend upon Jack in any way. He is not my employer, we do not live under the same roof, I do not even know him in real life. There is no reason at all that, if I disliked him, I wouldn't admit to this.

In addition, you must think you've really got to me by saying that I dislike him. So much so that I am striking back at you a month later. Is there any decent reason why I would give a shit? You are a delusional man.

[MrAngry]

??? I thought this thread had something to do with racism and Mr Angry's monthly statement of distaste for it. What is this girly talk about who dislikes whom? Ecch...


You're right, so I'll end it here, but thanks for joining the girls... :rofl:

[Jim West]

A trifle off topic here, but I've always wondered who would win between these two, were it a fight to the death:




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[LastResort56]

Originally Posted by Mr. Angry
Hopefully a full on heart attack will follow!

See that wasn't right. Ironically I believe the purpose of your thread was to prove that racists are condesending meanys.

Originally Posted by Jim West
A trifle off topic here, but I've always wondered who would win between these two, were it a fight to the death:

Yes, these Helios Plantos vs. Mr. Angry flame wars are like two retards slapping the caked spittle off one another's misshapen faces.

[Helios Panoptes]

Yes, these Helios Plantos vs. Mr. Angry flame wars are like two retards slapping the caked spittle off one another's misshapen faces.

Please explain to me what I have to do with Magilla Gorilla. There was a reason why you quoted Jim West, correct?

P.S. Unlike yourself, I don't care about being called a retard, especially by the likes of you. It's not even worthy of a negative reputation point. I think it's very funny how long you've been stewing over that remark, though. Did it keep you awake at night?

[Globus]

[QUOTE]


[quote]Condescending attitudes come into play in any debate including(but not limited to) debates about race mostly because when a person has certain views that they believe are "the truth", they might begin to get a little frustrated that people refuse to look at or even consider these ideas which to them are so obvious and truthful. i cannot speak for everyone, but that is how I sometimes begin to feel.
If anyone displays the "I have the moral high ground" attitude, this is again coming from the anti-racists side. Look at some of the stuff Globus says to people as an example.

People who are not racists do have the moral high ground on racists, Starr. There is certainly nothing wrong with being condescending to people who hold such vile views. There is nothing wrong with being dismissive of Nazis. It's a form of social ostracism which has performed a valuable service throughout civilization. It's a way of saying, you can hold whatever wacky views you want as long as you don't try to act on them, but that doesn't mean we find you an upstanding citizen or that decent society wants to associate with you.

Your problem at heart is that you want to hold your views and not be ostracized for them. Ain't gonna happen, except in the artificial world of this forum.

[Winston]

[QUOTE=Starr][QUOTE]




People who are not racists do have the moral high ground on racists, Starr. There is certainly nothing wrong with being condescending to people who hold such vile views. There is nothing wrong with being dismissive of Nazis. It's a form of social ostracism which has performed a valuable service throughout civilization. It's a way of saying, you can hold whatever wacky views you want as long as you don't try to act on them, but that doesn't mean we find you an upstanding citizen or that decent society wants to associate with you.

Your problem at heart is that you want to hold your views and not be ostracized for them. Ain't gonna happen, except in the artificial world of this forum.

Are you trying to tell us, globus, that the kind of views which are today deemed 'vile' were always held in that regard? You are currently in fashion but that will change.

[Keystone]

Yes, these Helios Plantos vs. Mr. Angry flame wars are like two retards slapping the caked spittle off one another's misshapen faces.
Off topic remark....

The generation who started to use "retard" as an insult weren't very good at insulting people. It's very childish.

Also, if you've ever had a mentally retarded kid or relative, you wouldn't or shouldn't use the word that way.

[Globus]

[QUOTE=Globus][QUOTE=Starr]

Are you trying to tell us, globus, that the kind of views which are today deemed 'vile' were always held in that regard? You are currently in fashion but that will change.

We used to stone women for adultery too. Will that soon change? Should have to own property in order to posssess the right to vote? Should women be allowed to vote or hold public office? Should slavery be legal? Just how does the fact that something was once done justify it returning to "fashion"?

[Keystone]

Just how does the fact that something was once done justify it returning to "fashion"?
Like free speech?

[Starr]

We used to stone women for adultery too. Will that soon change? Should have to own property in order to posssess the right to vote? Should women be allowed to vote or hold public office? Should slavery be legal? Just how does the fact that something was once done justify it returning to "fashion"?


All of these examples you just brought up, especially in regards to women, are still practiced by many of the third world types that you welcome into western countries. As just one example, honor killings are for people that live in the dark ages and do not belong in Europe, but you are starting to hear about them popping up among the lovely immigrant communities. You must approve of some of these things otherwise you might see all of the Muslims pouring into Europe as very potentially harmful.

Wanting to preseve one's own race and culture in one's own native lands and in lands they built is natural for all of the races and this is why your one world one race views will not stay in fashion too long. Some modern "advances" are neccessary for the betterment of society and some have been very harmful. As for holding public office it is very few men who are truly qualified to do this and even fewer women. And giving any fool(male or female) the "right" to vote was also not the wisest decision.

[Winston]

[QUOTE=integrity][QUOTE=Globus]

We used to stone women for adultery too. Will that soon change? Should have to own property in order to posssess the right to vote? Should women be allowed to vote or hold public office? Should slavery be legal? Just how does the fact that something was once done justify it returning to "fashion"?

With that row of strawmen it's like a Wizard Of Oz audition in here.

Positive racism, as described elsewhere by Buhrrus, is not vile. In fact I hold the moral highground over you with my type of racism, whether you acknowledge that or not.
The multi-racial pot stirred up by the likes of you is only going to continue boiling ever more fierce until views like mine are fashionable again. It's just a question of how humanely the transition occurs, and it will be people like you who are to blame if the public are enraged enough for it to be bloody.

[Keystone]

As for holding public office it is very few men who are truly qualified to do this and even fewer women. And giving any fool(male or female) the "right" to vote was also not the wisest decision.
Folks like Globus will be overjoyed when Hilary Rodham Clinton, a socialist feminist of the worst stripe, is elected to the US Presidency in 2008.

[LastResort56]

Originally Posted by Helios Plantos
Please explain to me what I have to do with Magilla Gorilla. There was a reason why you quoted Jim West, correct?

P.S. Unlike yourself, I don't care about being called a retard, especially by the likes of you. It's not even worthy of a negative reputation point. I think it's very funny how long you've been stewing over that remark, though. Did it keep you awake at night?

Jeez pal calm down. Only throwing back out to you what you seem so quick to dish out to others. It was a joke, I don't think you're retarded and I really don't hold any negative thoughts about you. Can't take a joke can you?

[Helios Panoptes]

Jeez pal calm down. Only throwing back out to you what you seem so quick to dish out to others. It was a joke, I don't think you're retarded and I really don't hold any negative thoughts about you. Can't take a joke can you?

I can be very sober, sometimes. Cheers. :)

[Julian Curtis Lee]

Your problem at heart is that you want to hold your views and not be ostracized for them. Ain't gonna happen, except in the artificial world of this forum.
The views of humankind change like the wind. The race-mixing fetish developing in the west is new and novel. People will eventually come to their senses and realize the unique value in the races, and try to preserve some separation and keep the diversity. That's been an abiding cultural theme for the majority of human history, for all the races. So that pendulum is bound to swing back again, and with force. Then race-haters ("diversity" mongers) and haters of their own people will be the ones to be ostracized, as it was in the longer spans of time.

[Keystone]

The views of humankind change like the wind. The race-mixing fetish developing in the west is new and novel.
That's why we have Mestizos in Mexico, Brazil, multi-colored folks all over America, etc...a 500 year old novel. All initiated by Europeans, by the way.
So that pendulum is bound to swing back again, and with force. Then race-haters ("diversity" mongers) and haters of their own people will be the ones to be ostracized, as it was in the longer spans of time.
It's too late.

[Jim West]

People will eventually come to their senses and realize the unique value in the races, and try to preserve some separation and keep the diversity. Sounds nice, but it won't work out that way. Within a few decades, whites in America will become the minority. And once that happens, so many political bastions whites once held will fall to the darkened mobs. Once that happens, there will be no "racial harmony" between whites and non-whites, just a country of subjugated, racially-discriminated-against honkies and gringos.

Meet our soon-to-be masters:

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[Jim West]

People who are not racists do have the moral high ground on racists, Starr. Only when referring to Neo-Nazis, the KKK, and the Skinheads. But when you're dealing with White Preservationists - like myself - you only hold the moral low ground.

[Omniel]

Before I respond what is your ethnicity?
You know my ethnicity, and it's been a few days: what's your response to my post?

[MrAngry]

No, I started out very antiracist a few years ago, just as you are now. Just like you, I am a member of an ethnic minority, so I felt rather obliged to take a pro-multiculturalist, antiracist stance. Honestly, I thought that all racists were ignorant filth.

I'm not antiracists as such, I oppose racism as an ideology and of course some of the advocates of it, some of the idiots on here and Storm fronters and VNNer's.

I'm also not a multiculturalist, which is more of an issue in the West, the US is unique in that most of the ethnic minorities become Americanised into American pop culture relatively quickly. In the UK its the lack of integration and assimilation that is the issue.

I don't categorise racists so easily anymore, they are as diverse and complex as any monority group.


I noticed that black culture was permeated with a materialist, violent, hyper-sexualised misogynistic status system. I noticed that, for as long as I could remember, blacks had been far more likely to express aggressive, criminal behaviour than any other race I'd been around.

If what you say is true, it is only to an extent, lets not dabate to what extent just yet, have your considered why this might be the case? If you are poor, have poor education and institutional racism then any section of society will develop these behaviours, when I have given examples of the top ten worst cities in the UK, not all had a high percentage of ethnic density. Its not a black issue its a social issue.


Two of my friends were teachers in inner city schools -staunch liberals who, when they were drunk and relaxed would bemoan the disturbing, violent, stupid and oversexed natures of their black pupils, and talk about what bullies they could be to the other children, forming highly aggressive gangs and requiring security (and even police) intervention to control them.

I attended an inner city school where I was one of two non whites, all the things you described were still evident and the two of us were not responsible for it all. :)


Police routinely patrol schools with a high black presence in London at home time. I recalled the numerous occasions that friends and members of my family had been attacked or threatened by blacks.

No, they patrol all schools with a high probablity for trouble, as most of the inner city of London is populated with minorities it stands to reason that the majority may be black.


My personal experiences were not the basis of my beliefs, but they definitely served as a wake-up call to spend more time considering the statistical evidence that told the same story.

I used to wrestle with the thought that most black areas seemed to be run down and crime ridden, then I considered the statistical evidence, much of which I dismiss but some I accept. But due to my own experiences of institutional prejudice, social racism and working in industry that has a high intake of low income workers, I realised the poverty and poor environment where the common denominator of crime and low, life expectation. You as a white Jew, I guess, will have a white perspective on life, you wouldn't stand out as a jew in a crowd of white people unless you were a fundamentalist.


What do you base your opinions on? I can offer you plenty examples of black criminality -from prison statistics, to examples of disproportionate criminal activity. I can also offer you examples of black low IQ, worldwide. I'd rather not turn this discussion into a link-fest, but I would like to know this:
Is your stance entirely based upon personal experience, or did you question your beliefs in light of the available evidence? If so, what statistical or factual evidence did you consider in taking a stance as an antiracist?


See above.

[MrAngry]

Sounds nice, but it won't work out that way. Within a few decades, whites in America will become the minority. And once that happens, so many political bastions whites once held will fall to the darkened mobs. Once that happens, there will be no "racial harmony" between whites and non-whites, just a country of subjugated, racially-discriminated-against honkies and gringos.

Meet our soon-to-be masters:


You paint such a bleak picture a picture that I guess you use to justify your racist hate mongereing.

[Winston]

You paint such a bleak picture a picture that I guess you use to justify your racist hate mongereing.


What makes you think that his bleak picture isn't an accurate one?

[Omniel]

I'm not antiracists as such, I oppose racism as an ideology and of course some of the advocates of it, some of the idiots on here and Storm fronters and VNNer's.
You're 'not antiracist as such', yet you admit that you oppose racism as an ideology? :confused:

You also claim to be 'not a multiculturalist'. I agree with that, it is necessary to integrate with the host culture, to assimilate. People who don't wish to do that are effectively invaders, wouldn't you admit? They have no interest in the ways and customs of the people who are already resident and would rather establish their own, for their own.

I don't categorise racists so easily anymore, they are as diverse and complex as any monority group.
Its interesting to see that you have made such a rapid change from posting threads aimed at categorising racists. What is it that made you relent?


I used to wrestle with the thought that most black areas seemed to be run down and crime ridden, then I considered the statistical evidence, much of which I dismiss but some I accept. But due to my own experiences of institutional prejudice, social racism and working in industry that has a high intake of low income workers, I realised the poverty and poor environment where the common denominator of crime and low, life expectation.
I think you made a mistake allowing your opinion to be swayed by being the victim of racism. I've had to deal with anti-Semitism on occasion, but I never allowed that to sway my opinion on reality. Have you truly considered the possibility that, as unpleasant and offensive you might personally find many racists, they might be basing their opinions on a more realistic paradigm than your optimistically biased and self-serving 'tabula rasa' model of behaviour?

[Masty]

Can a proud racist have a thought about this?

[MrAngry]

Can a proud racist have a thought about this?


No. :p


I don't suppose that would stop you so go ahead and fill your boots

[MrAngry]

You're 'not antiracist as such', yet you admit that you oppose racism as an ideology? :confused:

In this context, a racist is the person with the racist view. Racism is the ideology.


You also claim to be 'not a multiculturalist'. I agree with that, it is necessary to integrate with the host culture, to assimilate. People who don't wish to do that are effectively invaders, wouldn't you admit? They have no interest in the ways and customs of the people who are already resident and would rather establish their own, for their own.

Invaders seems to be a harsh word, but I admit people who do not wish to should not be invited in the first place, and perhaps encouraged to leave. Its the blanket expulsions that I object to.


Its interesting to see that you have made such a rapid change from posting threads aimed at categorising racists. What is it that made you relent?

One is never to old to learn and adapt.


I think you made a mistake allowing your opinion to be swayed by being the victim of racism. I've had to deal with anti-Semitism on occasion, but I never allowed that to sway my opinion on reality.

Other than some name calling I have never experienced true racism, not even in the workplace, in fact I have had a succesful career thus far. This has led me to believe that if 2nd and 3rd generation ethnic minorities truly integrate racism would be further marginalised, I also believe that the PC brigade actually harm race relations with PC fascism, this also encourages immigrants to hold onto their culture beyond what is reasonable.

Have you truly considered the possibility that, as unpleasant and offensive you might personally find many racists, they might be basing their opinions on a more realistic paradigm than your optimistically biased and self-serving 'tabula rasa' model of behaviour?

In a short answer no, most older racists seem to have been a victim in some way, either at the hands of an ethnic minority, or a positive discrimination policy. Younger racists wil either grow out of it, or accept the reality which is life.

As an a side, my wife is Jewish, it took sometime before I was accepted by most of her family, they are all lovely people in their own right, hard working and ambitious with a good family ethic. But they practise the nicest form or racism in the UK, they tend to marry within their own group, and mainly socialise within their own group, have their own schools, shops, faith and clubs. This is a lesson for any WN's who aspire to do the same.

[MrAngry]

What makes you think that his bleak picture isn't an accurate one?


One mans poison is anothers gravy.

[Omniel]

One mans poison is anothers gravy.
Depends on whether or not you like being mugged/raped/assaulted I suppose. Do you think that biological aggression plays a part in criminal activity?

[MrAngry]

Depends on whether or not you like being mugged/raped/assaulted I suppose. Do you think that biological aggression plays a part in criminal activity?


No, poverty and environment do IMO. Rape, mugging and assault is the sole domain of blacks.

[Omniel]

No, poverty and environment do IMO.
If that is the case then why is it that poor women do not commit crime on anywhere near the scale of poor men?

Rape, mugging and assault is the sole domain of blacks.
I'll take that as an amusing typo.

[MrAngry]

If that is the case then why is it that poor women do not commit crime on anywhere near the scale of poor men?


I'll take that as an amusing typo.


:rofl: yeah its been a long day at the office. Women are generally less agressive than men, I can tell where you are going with this. Propensity to violence?

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Lack of a well-developed frontal lobe leads to criminality and impulsive behaviors.

[Omniel]

Women are generally less agressive than men, I can tell where you are going with this. Propensity to violence?
Testosterone?

[Winston]

One mans poison is anothers gravy.

What you mean is, you, as a non-white, welcome the political weakening of the white man in his own land, because you, as a non-white, benefit from it.

[Omniel]

What you mean is, you, as a non-white, welcome the political weakening of the white man in his own land, because you, as a non-white, benefit from it.
I'm sure our Mr Angry thinks nothing of the sort.

[MrAngry]

What you mean is, you, as a non-white, welcome the political weakening of the white man in his own land, because you, as a non-white, benefit from it.


No, I feel uncomfortable about the term awakening,

People are more aware of issues regarding immigration, just not comfortable with racist ideologies.

[Omniel]

People are more aware of issues regarding immigration, just not comfortable with racist ideologies.
Why is being 'comfortable' even an issue when evaluating whether a belief is true or false?

[J Van Der Meyde]

Why do you hate White people so much MrAngry?

[Omniel]

It's a misconception that non-Whites who take an antiracist stance automatically must hate White people. Isn't it obvious that such a racially-biased viewpoint is incompatible?

[MrAngry]

Why do you hate White people so much MrAngry?


My father is white, my wife is white, my son is very white, I am half white. Why would I hate whites?

I dislike racism...

[MrAngry]

Why is being 'comfortable' even an issue when evaluating whether a belief is true or false?


Because life isnt black and white, right or wrong.

[Omniel]

That's not what was asked. You argued that racism makes you 'uncomfortable'. Does the fact that something makes you feel uncomfortable mean that it is irrational?

[MrAngry]

That's not what was asked. You argued that racism makes you 'uncomfortable'. Does the fact that something makes you feel uncomfortable mean that it is irrational?

Having a preference for ones own race is ok imo. But believing that one race is somehow superior than another and esposing repatriation makes me feel uncomfortable

[Omniel]

Having a preference for ones own race is ok imo. But believing that one race is somehow superior than another and esposing repatriation makes me feel uncomfortable
Okay, I'm bored now.

[Starr]

Other than some name calling I have never experienced true racism, not even in the workplace, in fact I have had a succesful career thus far. This has led me to believe that if 2nd and 3rd generation ethnic minorities truly integrate racism would be further marginalised, I also believe that the PC brigade actually harm race relations with PC fascism, this also encourages immigrants to hold onto their culture beyond what is reasonable

You also are not a member of a race that has the higher propensity for violent crime and a lower IQ. There is a world of difference between someone who is half asian and half white and a negro, for example. You cannot use your success to say that all minorities of any racial background can achieve the same level of success.

Having a preference for ones own race is ok imo. But believing that one race is somehow superior than another and esposing repatriation makes me feel uncomfortable

You will find that every race has its strong and weak points compared to other races and that they have qualities that are superior and other qualities that are inferior in comparison to other races. For them to be as successful as they can possibly be it is going to be better for them to live in a society that is more suited to who they are, rather then throwing them all together with the false belief that we are all the same in every way. Repatriation may make you uncomfortable and it will present some problems in the short term, but in the long term it is the best for everyone concerned. It is also the best way to dramatically cut down on racial tensions.

[MrAngry]

Okay, I'm bored now.

Yeah it was getting that way.

[MrAngry]

You also are not a member of a race that has the higher propensity for violent crime and a lower IQ. There is a world of difference between someone who is half asian and half white and a negro, for example. You cannot use your success to say that all minorities of any racial background can achieve the same level of success.



You will find that every race has its strong and weak points compared to other races and that they have qualities that are superior and other qualities that are inferior in comparison to other races. For them to be as successful as they can possibly be it is going to be better for them to live in a society that is more suited to who they are, rather then throwing them all together with the false belief that we are all the same in every way. Repatriation may make you uncomfortable and it will present some problems in the short term, but in the long term it is the best for everyone concerned. It is also the best way to dramatically cut down on racial tensions.

In regards to the US the proposition would be a huge and costly undertaking, if not near impossible. In Europe the same would apply to a lesser degree.
In the gae of globalisation I dont see repatriation as a practical.

[Omniel]

Yeah it was getting that way.
The problem is that you don't seem to be even bothering to consider the opposing view. It's no wonder all you can do is post silly threads attacking racists for being rude to you. I wonder if you're even capable of understanding the issues at hand. For someone so frequently outspoken and vocal about antiracism on this board, I was rather expecting you to have more sophisticated points to make. Sorry that racism makes you feel uncomfortable, it's a real shame.

[Winston]

In regards to the US the proposition would be a huge and costly undertaking, if not near impossible. In Europe the same would apply to a lesser degree.
In the gae of globalisation I dont see repatriation as a practical.

I don't see multiracial society as practical.

[Keystone]

Okay, I'm bored now.
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..............

[MrAngry]

The problem is that you don't seem to be even bothering to consider the opposing view. It's no wonder all you can do is post silly threads attacking racists for being rude to you. I wonder if you're even capable of understanding the issues at hand. For someone so frequently outspoken and vocal about antiracism on this board, I was rather expecting you to have more sophisticated points to make. Sorry that racism makes you feel uncomfortable, it's a real shame.


Of course I have considered the opposing view, why wouldn't I? Some I can understand, but not agree with and most I feel is tenuous and if one tries to get to the root cause rather than smoke and mirrors research. Do I think that black people are more aggressive? No more so than the reputation of the Brits, who have a reputation for being warlike, borne out over recent years. And the way British yobs behave abroad.

If violent crime is higher among blacks have you considered other factors other than a genetic (:rolleyes: ) propensity to do so?

You allege that I am totally biased and unreceptive, that is simply not true, in fact I am regularly accused of this because I am mixed, if anything it is the common racist who becomes dogmatic, defensive and entrenched.

If I have degenerated into attacking racists then I will continue to do so, it also demonstrates that "if" and a big if, there were ever a policy of racial inequality people like me wouldn't go quietly, so what then?

Some racist do not consider the consequences, in the US alone there are nigh on 10 million minorities, some armed to the teeth. How easy would it be to either deport or segregate this mass of people. What of US trade and influence with the rest of the World, America and every other nation needs friends in the age of globalisation.

Even if you fundamentally believe that your worldview is correct, how do you propose that an effective change could be implemented. I really am curious to know.....

[MrAngry]

I don't see multiracial society as practical.


OK thats your opinion, so what? Thats the fact of life now, whether we agree is immaterial, what now?

[Geist]

Confusing race with culture..


Because historically culture arised out of the race such an opinion is hardly absurd. We are not yet in a position to identify whether these are as interrelated or not as multiculturalists or racialists suggest. A better question is whether such discussions disguise the practicalities of a multiracial society and whether the benefits are really that great. As far as I can see multiculturalism benefits only bis business, and negatively effects immigrants on a non-economic level and the indigenous working class on an economic one.

[Crusader]

My father is white, my wife is white, my son is very white, I am half white. Why would I hate whites?

I dislike racism...

The fact that you are a male with a White father, thus a White Y-chromosome makes you more assimitable than if you had a non-White father.

Out of curiosity, what race is your mother?

[Starr]

If violent crime is higher among blacks have you considered other factors other than a genetic ( ) propensity to do so?

There are very real genetic differences that contribute to blacks having more violent tendencies that whites or asians, you will also find a consistant pattern of higher rates of blacks violence no matter where in the world they live. It really could not be more clear. Who does pretending this is not the case benefit? Does it benefit blacks? And the equality myth is very harmful to the people they have to live around. It might sound strange, but keeping people in the dark about this is similar, IMO, to not informing people that a bunch of felons are moving into their neighborhood.(I am not comparing blacks to felons and I am also not saying all blacks are violent, but I think you can get my point)

[FAF]

In the case of globalisation I dont see repatriation as a practical.OK thats your opinion, so what? Thats the fact of life now, whether we agree is immaterial, what now?


hence the need for fire arms. you gobshites in england are living in a cocoon.

[MrAngry]

hence the need for fire arms. you gobshites in england are living in a cocoon.


Yeah, durrrr! Yo da man..... :nuts: :nuts:

[Julian Curtis Lee]

Having a preference for ones own race is ok imo. But believing that one race is somehow superior than another and esposing repatriation makes me feel uncomfortable
My view is that each race does trend towards superiority in certain particular areas. (Which is not to say that exceptions don't occur.) Meanwhile, I think each races has tendencies toward certain flaws or weaknesses. Each race has pursued different agendas and developed different strengths. And this is the way the world was meant to be. That's the diversity of creation playing out. Uniformity bad, boring. Interesting racial differences: Good. Anti-racists seem to always oversimplify things.

[MrAngry]

My view is that each race does trend towards superiority in certain particular areas. (Which is not to say that exceptions don't occur.) Meanwhile, I think each races has tendencies toward certain flaws or weaknesses. Each race has pursued different agendas and developed different strengths. And this is the way the world was meant to be. That's the diversity of creation playing out. Uniformity bad, boring. Interesting racial differences: Good. Anti-racists seem to always oversimplify things.


OK I accept that there are differences, even across Europe this can be evident to a degree. However, what criteria makes any race more superior to another?

[MrAngry]

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=322169#post322169

I am never disappointed...