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Petr

12-04-2005, 05:08 PM

Whine, whine... lest you feel some sort of sympathy for these people, check this out:

"Crimean Tatars were known for frequent devastating raids into Ukraine and Russia, 1571 they seized and burned Moscow. For a long time, until the early 18th century Crimean Tatars maintained massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East. One of the most known and important trading ports and slave markets was Kefe. Some researchers estimate that alltogether more than 3 million people, predominantly Ukrainians but also Russians, Belarusians and Poles, were captured and enslaved during the time of Crimean Khanate in what was called "the harvesting of the steppe". A constant threat from Crimean Tatars supported the appearance of cossackdom."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tartars

http://www.fsumonitor.com/stories/120105Ukraine.shtml

Crimean Tatars Activist Claims Ukraine is “Racist State”

(December 1, 2005)

The president of the Foundation for the Study and Support of Native Peoples of the Crimea, Nadir Bekirov, announced at a press conference in Kiev that Ukraine is “turning into a racist state” in relation to the Crimean Tatars, according to a November 17, 2005 report by the Ukrainian web-based news agency Forum. Mr. Bekirov cited what he considered the unfair position of local authorities towards attempts by Crimean Tatars, who were exiled en mass from their native land by Stalin, to get some of their property back by squatting on what is now extremely valuable real estate.

A November 18 article in the local supplement to the Russian national daily Kommersant cited Mr. Bekirov as complaining about racist violence directed against his people by local Cossacks and skinheads. A clash between Crimean Tatars and skinheads at a Simferopol night club in March 2004 resulted in only Crimean Tatars having charges filed against them. According to Mr. Bekirov, this allows neo-Nazis to “feel impunity” for their actions.

Petr

Jimbo Gomez

12-04-2005, 05:26 PM

I applaud the sensible Ukrainian people for this.

Boleslaw

12-07-2005, 07:27 PM

Serves them right for being a continual historical pest to the Ukrainian nation!

Jimbo Gomez

12-07-2005, 07:58 PM

Welcome back friend.

Petyr Baelish

02-09-2006, 10:43 PM

Serves them right for being a continual historical pest to the Ukrainian nation!

The only historical pest to the Ukrainian nation is the Ukrainian people, though the resident Tatars are not much different from the Ukrainians genetically or culturally.

Crimea is, always has been, and always will be Russian territory.

Gleb

02-09-2006, 11:02 PM

Sometimes it is hard to tell who is a Crimean Tatar and who is Ukranian anyway. Plus, they keep fucking Russians up in every way possible, almost like Balts or Georgians, they want to join NATO, they want to be in EU. Don't want anything to have in common with them.

Petyr Baelish

02-10-2006, 12:49 AM

Sometimes it is hard to tell who is a Crimean Tatar and who is Ukranian anyway.

LOL, so true. These Ukrainians sure don't look like Slavs to me:

http://news.img.com.ua/pix/i303/303263.gif

http://www.razom.org.ua/dataimg/news/big/k/15884b4d75.jpg

http://www.kmu.gov.ua/img/publishing/22311119/image001.jpg

Take a look at this:

http://www.smu.psn.ru/?id=conf&id1=text&id2=2003/doc-molbiol&id3=58

ХАРАКТЕРИСТИКА ГАПЛОТИПОВ МТДНК УКРАИНСКОЙ ПОПУЛЯЦИИ
Гусар В.А., Гречанина Ю.Б., Гречанина Е.Я.

Харьковский государственный медицинский университет, Харьков, Украина

E-mail: mgc @ ukr.net

Актуальность проблемы. Исследования изменчивости митохондриальной ДНК (мтДНК), которые ведутся на протяжении последних двух десятилетий, существенно пополнили представление об эволюции человека, происхождении и дифференциации различных этнических групп.

Впервые, доказательства об этнической дифференциации, т.е. корреляция изменчивости мтДНК с расовой принадлежностью и этногеографическим происхождением индивидуумов были получены в результате изучения полиморфизма мтДНК у населения Африки, Азии, Европы и Америки.

Совмещение наиболее информативных методов анализа полиморфизма мтДНК , таких как секвенирование в сочетании с ПДРФ-анализом некодирующего региона, позволило получить более детальную информацию о вариациях мтДНК в различных этнорасовых группах человека и в дальнейшем, явиться стандартной основой для классификации определенных индивидуальных гаплотипов мтДНК в гаплогруппы и филогенетических построений.

Цель и задачи: выявление гаплотипов мтДНК в украинской популяции и их анализ методом медианных сетей.

Материалы и методы: современным генетическим подходом к изучению этногенеза народов мира является молекулярно-генетический анализ мтДНК. Были исследованы 240 образцов украинцев из различных регионов Украины. Из образцов выделили мтДНК и проамплифицировали гипервариабельные участки HVS I и HVS II контрольного региона. В дальнейшем участки отсеквенировали и провели гаплотипирование кодирующего региона мтДНК с помощью ПДРФ-анализа. Фрагменты ДНК разгоняли в агарозном геле и детектировали с помощью ультрафиолетовой флюоресценции.

Результаты исследования: определили мутации HVS I контрольного региона по всем образцам мтДНК и по сайтам рестрикции Nla III, RsaI, AluI, HaeIII, HaeII, Hinf I, BstOI, AccI, MseI, установили принадлежность к гаплогруппам. Около 80% всех типов мтДНК относятся к гаплогруппам H, U, J, K, T, V, I, W, X, которые рассматриваются как евро-специфичные. Около 20% исследованной мтДНК входят в азиатские гаплогруппы М, А, В. Гаплогруппа М обьединяет восточно-азиатские субгаплогруппы С, D и Z. На основе полученных данных провели построение медианной сети.

Ukrainians should abandond any dellusions of being Slavic and concentrate on forging closer cultural and diplomatic links with their Turkic kin. It would probably be a good idea for them to change the name of their country to "Khokholstan" while they are at it :D

Ace Rimmer

02-11-2006, 06:09 PM

LOL, so true. These Ukrainians sure don't look like Slavs to me:

I wonder how these Russians fit your "Slavic" category:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9612/11/russia.chechnya/soldier.jpg

http://oag.ru/images/news/soldier_grozny1.jpg

http://www.eng.yabloko.ru/Images/2002-04-28.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/ladoganish/soldier.jpg

http://www.nupi.no/russland/bilder/personer/lebed.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9606/18/yeltsin.lebed/yeltsin.lg.jpg

http://www.coe.int/t/F/Multimedia/Son/b28primakov-2.gif

Those Ukrainians you posted look far more Europid than these, or most of Russian, Tatar pig faces.

Ukrainians should abandond any dellusions of being Slavic and concentrate on forging closer cultural and diplomatic links with their Turkic kin. It would probably be a good idea for them to change the name of their country to "Khokholstan" while they are at it :D

And Russians should abandon any delusions that they are part of Europe,
mentally, culturally and most of all racially, as they are traditionally turned to Eurasia where they belong to, by all mentioned categories.

Ace Rimmer

02-11-2006, 06:20 PM

Petyr Baelish

02-11-2006, 06:55 PM

I wonder how these Russians fit your "Slavic" category:

LMAO! One of these "Russians" (Lebed) is a Ukrainian, another one (Primakov) is a Chuvash, Yeltsin is a drunkard, and we can only speculate about the ethnic origin of the others. By the way, posting pictures of people you think are Russian and mixed-looking just doesn't have the same force as scientific data. If you could read Russian, you'd notice that the article I posted states that Ukrainians have 20% Mongoloid mtDNA (more than Tatars!). I very much doubt that you could find a genetic study with simmilar results for Russians.

Those Ukrainians you posted look far more Europid than these, or most of Russian, Tatar pig faces.

No, they don't and they aren't; besides, as I already pointed out, at least one of the 'Russians' you posted is himself a Ukrainian.

And Russians should abandon any delusions that they are part of Europe,
mentally, culturally and most of all racially, as they are traditionally turned to Eurasia where they belong to, by all mentioned categories.

That's almost as funny as the dellusions certain Balkanoid savages have of being "Central European". j/k :rofl: :p

Ace Rimmer

02-11-2006, 10:55 PM

LMAO! One of these "Russians" (Lebed) is a Ukrainian,

Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed
Born: 1950 ,20 April, Novocherkassk, Rostov oblast
Nationality: Russian
source (http://www.nupi.no/cgi-win/Russland/personer.exe?290)

another one (Primakov) is a Chuvash,

Yevgeniy Maksimovich Primakov
Born: 1929 October 29, Kiev
Nationality: Russian
source (http://www.nupi.no/cgi-win/Russland/personer.exe?79)

Yeltsin is a drunkard,

A Russian he is. :D

and we can only speculate about the ethnic origin of the others.

Rusian soldiers with typical Russian face expression, scratch a Russian… :P

By the way, posting pictures of people you think are Russian and mixed-looking just doesn't have the same force as scientific data. If you could read Russian, you'd notice that the article I posted states that Ukrainians have 20% Mongoloid mtDNA (more than Tatars!). I very much doubt that you could find a genetic study with simmilar results for Russians.

I trust Russian sources on Ukrainians as much I trust those of Serbs on Croats,
or those of Nazi Germany on Russians.

Is there such thing as "mongoloid mtDNA"? I believe such term does not exist.

No, they don't and they aren't; besides, as I already pointed out, at least one of the 'Russians' you posted is himself a Ukrainian.

Yes they do, subjective anyways.

That's almost as funny as the dellusions certain Balkanoid savages have of being "Central European". j/k :rofl: :p

Complain to forum staff that assorted us as such :p

Gleb

02-12-2006, 02:54 AM

Those Ukrainians you posted look far more Europid than these, or most of Russian, Tatar pig faces.

Tatar pig faces? Tatars do not have pig faces, in fact Volga Tatars look whiter on average than Ukranians.

Where does this sympathy to Ukranians comes from anyway? What do Croats have in common with those two-faced lying bastards? Or maybe you like their prostitutes, I heard there are lots of those in Europe. Even Moscow's prostitutes are like 90% Ukranian. Nation of prostitutes in every sense of the word.

And Russians should abandon any delusions that they are part of Europe,
mentally, culturally and most of all racially, as they are traditionally turned to Eurasia where they belong to, by all mentioned categories.

Russians are a separate entity, we are neither European, nor Asian, nor Eurasian. We are Russian. Unlike you we have no desire to label ourselves as European.

Gleb

02-12-2006, 02:56 AM

A Russian can not have a last name "Lebed", dummy. It is excusable for an American not to know that, but for a Croat!

Gleb

02-12-2006, 02:58 AM

I trust Russian sources on Ukrainians as much I trust those of Serbs on Croats,
or those of Nazi Germany on Russians.

It is a Ukranian source, actually. As you can see they take pride in being half-Asian.

"Харьковский государственный медицинский университет, Харьков, Украина" - Kharkov State Medical University, Kharkov, Ukraine

Ace Rimmer

02-12-2006, 12:14 PM

Tatar pig faces? Tatars do not have pig faces, in fact Volga Tatars look whiter on average than Ukranians.

I apologize to good Tatar people for making such awful comparison, as you pointed out :D

Where does this sympathy to Ukranians comes from anyway?What do Croats have in common with those

It has sympathy and understanding in always good Ukrainian-Croatian relations and friendship, Ukrainians were in Ustasha Naval Legion , Ukrainians were one of the first nations to recognize Croatian independence 1991, Catholic confession bounds us even closer.
This chauvinistic hatred of Ukrainians by Russians and similar methods I have witnessed with Serbs on Croats,
so I understand very well the sort Ukrainians have to deal with.

The real question here is, why such despicable hate for Ukrainians?
since words of hate and slander predated my response to your crap.

two-faced lying bastards?

:rolleyes:

Or maybe you like their prostitutes, I heard there are lots of those in Europe. Even Moscow's prostitutes are like 90% Ukranian. Nation of prostitutes in every sense of the word.

:rolleyes: well since you insist on it,
I do not know about rest of Europe, but common prostitutes here are Russian,
even common Russian female tourist is treated like a whore by locals.

Russians are a separate entity, we are neither European, nor Asian, nor Eurasian. We are Russian. Unlike you we have no desire to label ourselves as European.

Then we have an agreement.

Slavic Enforcer

02-12-2006, 03:26 PM

http://www.flaggen-server.de/asien2/udssrg.gif

Gleb

02-13-2006, 02:48 AM

I do not know about rest of Europe, but common prostitutes here are Russian,
even common Russian female tourist is treated like a whore by locals.

It's because Ukranians say they are Russian everywhere they go, thus making Russians a bad image with their Turkish faces and behaviour.
My words are not biased, just look at their history - every nation they made allies with got betrayed by them, it happened to Swedes at Poltava, Russians have been betrayed by them numerous times throughout history. I really hope we finally learned our lesson and will not have to deal with them any longer. Viva independent Ukraine!

Petyr Baelish

02-13-2006, 03:41 AM

It's because Ukranians say they are Russian everywhere they go, thus making Russians a bad image with their Turkish faces and behaviour.

This is true. I saw a Ukrainian rapist on the news the other day being referred to as a "Russian immigrant".

Ace Rimmer

02-13-2006, 10:57 AM

I wonder how these Russians fit your "Slavic" category:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9612/11/russia.chechnya/soldier.jpg

http://oag.ru/images/news/soldier_grozny1.jpg

http://www.eng.yabloko.ru/Images/2002-04-28.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/ladoganish/soldier.jpg

http://www.nupi.no/russland/bilder/personer/lebed.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9606/18/yeltsin.lebed/yeltsin.lg.jpg

http://www.coe.int/t/F/Multimedia/Son/b28primakov-2.gif

http://www.wakin-web.com/Jackie/New%20Files/PictPile/bndldup.jpg

LOL,
Fits in perfectly :rofl: :p