@ Stan: Belgian Ales

[OVERWATCH]

A old friend (Drunkenemperor) wanted me to ask you, if you could give a pronunciation for the following word:

Gueuze

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gueuze

Gueuze is a lambic style beer. It is made by blending young (1 year old) and old (2-3 year old) Lambics into a new beer which is then bottled for a second fermentation.

Due to its origin, the blending of lambics, gueuze tastes different from pilsner type beers. The hop bitterness which is dominant in traditional pilsners is almost absent in a good gueuze. Instead, aged hops produce a cheese-like aroma. Furthermore, the yeasts which are specific to lambic style beers gives gueuze a dry, vinuous, cidery, musty, sour, acetic acid, and lactic acid taste. In modern times, the most popular lambic brewers have added sugar to gueuzes, in order to make the beer less offensive and appeal to wider audiences. This has compromised the complexity and distinctiveness of the sweetened gueuze greatly. The biggest difference between lambic and gueuze is the bubbles which exist only in the gueuze. For this reason, gueuze is sometimes called Brussels Champagne.

Traditionally, gueuze is served in recycled champagne bottles, which generally hold 750 ml.

TIA

[Banat]

Try this, until Stan shows up:

Flemmish -> gueze.wav (http://www.belgianstyle.com/mmguide/pronounce/belgian/gueze.wav)
French -> gueze.wav (http://www.belgianstyle.com/mmguide/pronounce/wallonian/gueze.wav)
USA English -> gueuze.wav (http://www.belgianstyle.com/mmguide/pronounce/american/gueuze.wav)

Hüsah or goozah.

"Speaking of Beer" -> LINK (http://www.belgianstyle.com/mmguide/pronounce/speak.html)

[Sinclair]

I had some of that stuff, but the fucking LCBO sold it after the best-by date. It smelled a bit off.

[Jimbo Gomez]

That 'eu' is pronounced not unlike the 'o' in word.

It is impossible for you anglos to pronounce the 'g' correctly.

Also, the correct spelling is Geuze.

[Sinclair]

Don't you dare call me an Anglo. :p I can pronounce "Gouda" and "van Gogh" right. And "Deja Vu".

[OVERWATCH]

I hear that Le Trappe has sold out and is no longer brewed by monks, i.e., is no longer an authentic trappist ale.

[Drunkenemperor]

That 'eu' is pronounced not unlike the 'o' in word.

It is impossible for you anglos to pronounce the 'g' correctly.

Also, the correct spelling is Geuze.

Correct spelling in Flemish maybe, see below:

Legislation
A Belgian Royal Decree of 20 May 1965 concerning the usage of names for beer (published in the Belgisch Staatsblad / Moniteur Belge on June 1965, pp. 7219-7220) restricts usage of the names lambic(French),lambik(Flemish), gueuze(Fr.),geuze(Fl.), gueuze lambic(Fr.),geuze lambik(Fl.), to beers of spontaneous fermentation. They have to contain at least 30 percent wheat and the original density of the wort has to be at least 5 degrees.
A Belgian Royal Decree of 17 July 1973 concerning the usage of names for beer (published in the Belgisch Staatsblad / Moniteur Belge on 18 April 1974, p. 9940) restricts the usage of these names to beers produced by inoculation from the air, by cooling of the wort in an open cooler.
A Royal Decree of 29 March 1974 concerning beer(published in the Belgisch Staatsblad / Moniteur Belge on 4 September 1973, pp. 5490-5493) defines in article 1.2.a even more precise that these beer types are restricted to beer of spontaneous fermentation, with a density of at least 11 degrees Plato and a minimum acidity (min. 30 milli-equivalents NaOH and a volatile acidity of min. 2 milli-equivalents NaOH). At least 30 percent wheat should be used for the production. Since this Royal Dec

ee the Flemish names have been changed to the French spelling in article 4.1.b. .
A Belgian Royal Decree of 31 March 1993 concerning beer (published in the Belgisch Staatsblad / Moniteur Belge on 4 June 1993, pp. 13507-13509) replaces the Royal Decrees of 1965, 1973 and 1974. For the beers of spontaneous fermentation it defines the same rules as the Royal Decree of 1974, but now not all of the beer must be derived from spontaneous fermentation.
A regulation of the European Community of 21 January 1997 according to the regulation (EEC) No. 2082/92 on certificates of specific character for agricultural products and foodstuffs ( GREEN EUROPE. No. 1. 1996. Office for Official Publications of the EC. Luxembourg. 45 p. Tabl. Graph. Ann. Free. ). This European regulation defines new rules for the the lambic beers, the new rules give a better protection of the traditional product. European legislation however protects products based on the traditional production methods or region, not both together. A traditionally produced Geuze will now be called "Old" Geuze.
I just give you the names of the traditional products, as they will be used once the new legislation is incorporated in the national law:
For Geuze it will be:
vieille gueuze, vieille gueuze lambic, and vieux lambic(Fr.), Oude Geuze, Oude Kriek Geuze-Lambiek and Oude Lambiek(Fl.).
For fuit beers derived from Lambic:
vieille kriek, vieille kriek lambic, vieille framboise lambic and vieux fruit lambic(Fr.), Oude Kriek, Oude Krieklambiek, Oude Frambozenlambiek and Oude Fruitlambiek(Fl.).
For Faro, the name is written the same in French and Dutch/Flemish.
The beers that do not have "vieille" or "Oude" in their name will be the more commercial and mostly sweetened mass-market products.

From:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pvosta/pcrbier1.htm

[Jimbo Gomez]

Try this, until Stan shows up:

Flemmish -> gueze.wav (http://www.belgianstyle.com/mmguide/pronounce/belgian/gueze.wav)


;)

Welcome aboard by the way.

[Felix the Cat]

IIRC, there was a similar dispute over the correct pronounciation of "Huygens" on the old Phora

[Jimbo Gomez]

Want me to tell you how to pronounce that one? ;)

[Felix the Cat]

Want me to tell you how to pronounce that one? ;)
Please :D

(Most English speakers I've encountered pronounce it "Hoy-Gens", with a "G" as in "Garden")

[Jimbo Gomez]

Heh, that's wrong. It would be impossible for you to pronounce it.

[Banat]

;)

Welcome aboard by the way.

:confused:

Thanks, anyway,
http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/5572/betm13010vo.gif

[Atlas]

The best Belgian beer I have drank was " Leffe ".

[Atlas]

Stan do you know it ?

http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/archives/2004-12-15-leffe.jpg

[Jimbo Gomez]

Yes, it is good.

Oh banat, that wasn't directed at you. ;)

[OVERWATCH]

The Drunkenemperor is an old friend of mine from way back when,from about twenty(20) years ago.

I hereby proclaim Drunkenemperor to be the Phora's Oafishul Textile Printing and Brewing Expert(but not necessarily in that order).:cool:

[Jimbo Gomez]

So it is written, so shall it be done.

hurrah!
hurrah!
hurrah!

[Grimlathak]

Proper pronunciation varies upon the variables of "quantities consumed" whereas i am unsure of it's pronunciation in the early stages of of it's consumption, in the latter stages i believe it to be pronounced something like,
KillErrackuevie*hic*goshta gitschummore.

Note that the exact placement of the *hic* varies with the different regional dialects of the consumer and ALSO the quantities consumed. When in doubt say "SMACKPACK!" and slap your hands together in drunken emphasis.