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ActionAlert
01-25-2007, 01:49 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.peELHwidUY&refer=home

Carlos Danger
01-25-2007, 03:00 PM
It should not be possible for a car-maker to lose money in North America

Hachiko
01-25-2007, 03:12 PM
It should not be possible for a car-maker to lose money in North America
Well, we can name a number of Japanese car companies doing just fine here. :D

Vasily Zaitsev
01-25-2007, 03:14 PM
Well, we can name a number of Japanese car companies doing just fine here. :D

Could you be any more of a weeaboo?

Anyway, I drive a Ford and sincerely hope my extended service plan will be honored in the years to come.

Hachiko
01-25-2007, 03:20 PM
Could you be any more of a weeaboo?

Maybe if I tried.

But seriously, American car companies lost sight of what urban customers need, small, cheap, fuel-efficient cars. The Japanese cornered this market long ago. The Koreans learned faster than the Americans, and now the Chinese are eyeing a slice of the pie.

I know people from the country, and they only drive American, not out of racial preference, but because only American engines can survive life on the highway for any extended period of time. I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Vasily Zaitsev
01-25-2007, 03:24 PM
You make good points, actually.

I live in a city and drive a F-150. It's less than ideal, but at 6' 5" driving even most sedans is difficult for me. Were I smaller, I'd definitely choose something that burned less fuel and was easier to park.

Mostly, I just wanted to call you a weeaboo. :p

Hachiko
01-25-2007, 03:34 PM
You make good points, actually.

I live in a city and drive a F-150. It's less than ideal, but at 6' 5" driving even most sedans is difficult for me. Were I smaller, I'd definitely choose something that burned less fuel and was easier to park.

Mostly, I just wanted to call you a weeaboo. :p
You have succeeded in your mission. :p

My father was dead-set against Fords, he thought the bodies fell apart too quickly.

Being tall (in your case) or big and a little tall (my case) does make the shopping quite difficult. For a sedan, if you could get over the mental association with taxi cabs, a Ford Crown Victoria, or the Lincoln Town Car are both very roomy sedans with standard V8's.

You might also think of searching for a classic car. Our family drove a '74 Chrysler Cordoba well over 12 years, and we had gotten it used in '81 I believe. A coupe that can fit a family of four big people and an 70 pound Siberian Husky. Gas-guzzler of course, but great ride and handling.

Pictured is a 1975, check out the Corinthian Leather :p

http://www.americandreamcars.com/1975cordobacarlisle.jpg

tempus fugit
01-25-2007, 03:56 PM
http://www.tocmp.com/pix/images/1976ChryslerCordobaSportCoupe.jpg

ActionAlert
01-25-2007, 04:12 PM
You have succeeded in your mission. :p

My father was dead-set against Fords, he thought the bodies fell apart too quickly.

Being tall (in your case) or big and a little tall (my case) does make the shopping quite difficult. For a sedan, if you could get over the mental association with taxi cabs, a Ford Crown Victoria, or the Lincoln Town Car are both very roomy sedans with standard V8's.

You might also think of searching for a classic car. Our family drove a '74 Chrysler Cordoba well over 12 years, and we had gotten it used in '81 I believe. A coupe that can fit a family of four big people and an 70 pound Siberian Husky. Gas-guzzler of course, but great ride and handling.

Pictured is a 1975, check out the Corinthian Leather :p

http://www.americandreamcars.com/1975cordobacarlisle.jpg
What engine did you have in that?
There was never a more reliable engine than the 318 V8 or the 225 Slant Six! You said "gas guzzler' so I'm guessing you had that troublesome 360.

Hachiko
01-25-2007, 04:17 PM
What engine did you have in that?
There was never a more reliable engine than the 318 V8 or the 225 Slant Six! You said "gas guzzler' so I'm guessing you had that troublesome 360.
I'd have to ask my brother the specs on it; my father gave it to him when he went to college. I can tell you that the not-so-long trip from NYC to Lancaster PA emptied a full tank plus a little.

ironweed
01-25-2007, 05:01 PM
What? You mean you can't pay the guy who mows the lawn $72/hour and expect to be competitive? I'll be. Never would've guessed.

il ragno
01-25-2007, 06:36 PM
Ford Is Now Decomposing

Silly me; I thought this was about the late President.

Winston
01-25-2007, 06:49 PM
Silly me; I thought this was about the late President.

I too was expecting something along those lines.

Jim West
01-25-2007, 07:25 PM
One of the best looking cars Ford ever built. I was a kid when these things were spanking new:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/1966_Ford_Galaxie_7_Liter.jpg/800px-1966_Ford_Galaxie_7_Liter.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/1966_Ford_Galaxie_7_Liter.jpg)

Straight Satan
01-25-2007, 07:57 PM
at 6' 5" driving even most sedans is difficult for me.


Slovjanski is 6' 5" too IIRC.

I heard some talk of this today (about Ford); the view was that Union members' benefits were somehow tied to the imbedded cost of manufacturing each car, and that Ford is not able to make enough of a profit. Supposedly Toyota does not have this same problem, hence their productivity. That's what the argument was, anyway.

Hey, I'm pro-union but this wouldn't surprise me, what with all the crybaby niggers who I suspect work in that industry.

Hachiko
01-25-2007, 08:23 PM
Slovjanski is 6' 5" too IIRC.

I heard some talk of this today (about Ford); the view was that Union members' benefits were somehow tied to the imbedded cost of manufacturing each car, and that Ford is not able to make enough of a profit. Supposedly Toyota does not have this same problem, hence their productivity. That's what the argument was, anyway.

Hey, I'm pro-union but this wouldn't surprise me, what with all the crybaby niggers who I suspect work in that industry.
I remember seeing somewhere (was it Roger & Me?) that the consumer pays $865 of the cost of their car into the health care of the people who make it.

Furor Teutonicus
01-25-2007, 09:04 PM
Resurrect Henry Ford From The Dead!!!

Jim West
01-25-2007, 09:21 PM
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/63_Ford_Tbird_Landau_DV_05_HH_p01.jpg (http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z8194/default.aspx) ..........

Jim West
01-25-2007, 09:23 PM
Here's the same '63 Ford Thunderbird Sport Roadster, from a different angle and decked out in black:
http://www.classicdreamcars.com/63blacktbirdrear.JPG

Draco
01-25-2007, 09:52 PM
I have a 1997 Ford escort, not my car, but similar:

http://pic.classifieds1000.com/1091663929-93446-128.111.106.101.jpg

I bought this car because it was cheap, is insanely reliable, and the engine was built by Mitsubishi, not Ford. Mine is about hit 100k and I've sunk less than $300.00 into it. Nice mileage and easy to park too.

My last car was a '93 Caddy DeVille, again, not my car but similar:

http://65.61.18.65/pics/C1498a.jpg

That fucker was a TANK, but the tranny was starting to go, so it had to go too. Guzzled gas like crazy too. Parking was essentially impossible.

Keystone
01-25-2007, 10:02 PM
Here's the same '63 Ford Thunderbird Sport Roadster, from a different angle and decked out in black:
http://www.classicdreamcars.com/63blacktbirdrear.JPG
That was Ford's highwater mark. Beautiful car.

Keystone
01-25-2007, 10:18 PM
That T Bird Roadster was probably an 8 cylinder, 4 barrel carb rocket as well.

Nice.

Winston
01-26-2007, 12:03 AM
That T Bird Roadster was probably an 8 cylinder, 4 barrel carb rocket as well.

Nice.

Well, there were no T-Birds without a V8 back then. God knows what engines they put in them during the 80s, but I don't think they've ever been without an 8. They've been without style, though, since the 60s.

I've always wanted a Mustang fastback from 65 or 66.
http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/images/cars/66fbmustang_22.jpg

But I got a 73 Camaro which will look something like this when finished: http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1858/afterfirsttestdrivesinczv3.jpg

Straight Satan
01-26-2007, 12:14 AM
Yeah, I always wanted a '66 Fastback. My mom had a '65 GT with Pony interior and air conditioning! Wasn't a fastback though otherwise I'd still have it.

I wish I had a frigging AMX.

Micaelis
01-26-2007, 12:21 AM
Time to import Italian vehicles!

http://news.caradisiac.com/IMG/jpg/futur-lancia-2.jpg

http://www.caradisiac.com/media/images/le_mag/mag276/mondial-lancia-suv-1.jpg

http://www.motoweb.pl/tapety/pictures/normal/lancia_fulvia_2003_4.jpg

http://cn.autoblog.com/images/2006/06/lancia_ypsilon_sport_102.jpg

http://testdrive.ro/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/lancia%20ypsilon.jpg

http://www.reportmotori.it/Alfa%20Romeo%20159%20-%20Profilo800.jpg

http://www.pwradio.pl/~ethelred/samochody/alfa_romeo/alfa_romeo_1024x768_6.jpg

http://thisjob.co.kr/data/job_bbs_gallery_1110018519_Alfa%20Romeo%20Brera%20Concept%202002%2002.jpg

http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/Final%20image/alfa_romeo_147_2004.jpg

http://auto.viviblog.com/wp-content/uploads/fioravanti.jpg

http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/04/Fiat-Sedici-Tan-front-3-4.jpg

Kodos
01-26-2007, 01:37 AM
Maybe if I tried.

But seriously, American car companies lost sight of what urban customers need, small, cheap, fuel-efficient cars. The Japanese cornered this market long ago. The Koreans learned faster than the Americans, and now the Chinese are eyeing a slice of the pie.

I know people from the country, and they only drive American, not out of racial preference, but because only American engines can survive life on the highway for any extended period of time. I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Azn and German cars last for longer mileage too.

Kodos
01-26-2007, 01:39 AM
It should not be possible for a car-maker to lose money in North America

They didn't think so either so they gave the union everything they wanted and decided to build planned obsolence into their cars...

LOL.

Jim West
01-26-2007, 02:38 AM
Not a Ford, but a GM car envisioned way back in 1949. Pretty sleek body style, considering the era it was conceived:

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/MechanixIllustrated/4-1949/lrg_cover.jpg

Vasily Zaitsev
01-26-2007, 04:38 AM
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/MechanixIllustrated/4-1949/lrg_cover.jpg

The driver looks like Kato and the car could pass for a futuristic Black Beauty.

JohnAFlynn
01-26-2007, 11:49 AM
More than that was concieved back then. I was promised a flying car by the year 2000, and I'm still waiting. I want my flying car, dammit!


Here it is, the Eclipse 500:

http://www.eclipseaviation.com/eclipse_500/

http://www.flightnest.com/wp-content/uploads/eclipse-500-vlj.jpg

At only $1,520,000 who can resist?
http://www.eclipseaviation.com//images/spacer.gif

ActionAlert
01-26-2007, 09:44 PM
http://www.familycar.com/Classics/70SuperBee/Images/LeftFront.jpg
1970 Dodge Super Bee (plum crazy purple)
http://www.ch300imp.com/images/Nur16.jpg
1961 Chrysler 300G Convertible

Winston
01-27-2007, 12:43 AM
Back to Fords... I wouldn't mind a Torino.
http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/st/stlouiscarmuseum/3Ford70TorinoGreen.jpg

Straight Satan
01-27-2007, 12:51 AM
Long after we're dead and gone, I bet people will ooh and ahh when they see one of the few survivng examples of a Reliant K drive by, or an '80 Ford Fairmont.

That is, if they haven't all been junked.:rofl:

Jim West
01-27-2007, 02:50 AM
That's what I call a kee-ooo-ell car! (sigh) They don't make polished, sleek lines like that anymore. And in my favorite color too...

http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/st/stlouiscarmuseum/3Ford70TorinoGreen.jpg