Native Africans

[Byssus]

See this page (http://c.1asphost.com/imazighen/berbers/algeria.htm).

[J Van Der Meyde]

Interesting pictures but to call them "Native Africans" is a little misleading.

[Byssus]

Interesting pictures but to call them "Native Africans" is a little misleading.

Thanks for the interest.

But how so? Berber progenitors have inhabited North Africa from the Upper Paleolithic.

[John Smith]

Thanks for the interest.

But how so? Berber progenitors have inhabited North Africa from the Upper Paleolithic.

Yes. Africa is racially heterogeneous. To say that Berbers, among others who aren't Negroids, are not native to Africa is to contradict history.

[The Retard]

I don't believe it.

[J Van Der Meyde]

The Berbers have been in Africa for approx 3000 years.

The Black Africans for hundreds of thousands of years.

[Ixtab]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Berbers.jpg

[The Retard]

They're not native Africans. Most of them mixed with Vandals and what not. Also put in perspective that these are modern photos, its not like these pictures were taken thousands of years ago.

[John Abney-Hastings]

Are non-negroid Africans welcome in the WN state?

[Byssus]

The Berbers have been in Africa for approx 3000 years.

I believe your timescale to be off.

To clarify: I am not claiming Berbers to be of fully autochthonous extraction. However, does initial settlement of a region by populations ultimately originating elsewhere preclude reference to their long-removed descendants as "natives"?

According to Bosch et al. 2001, "the historical origins of the NW African Y-chromosome pool may be summarized as follows: 75% NW African Upper Paleolithic (H35, H36, and H38), 13% Neolithic (H58 and H71), 4% historic European gene flow (group IX, H50, H52), and 8% recent sub-Saharan African (H22 and H28)". They identify the "75% NW African Upper Paleolithic" component as "an Upper Paleolithic colonization that probably had its origin in Eastern Africa." The North-west African population's 75% Y chromosome genetic contribution from East Africa contrasted with a 78% contribution to the Iberian population from western Asia, suggests that the northern rim of the Mediterranean with the Strait of Gibraltar acted as a strong, albeit incomplete, barrier (Bosch et al, 2001).

According to Macaulay et al. 1999, "one-third of Mozabite Berber mtDNAs have a Near Eastern ancestry, probably having arrived in North Africa ∼50,000 years ago, and one-eighth have an origin in sub-Saharan Africa. Europe appears to be the source of many of the remaining sequences, with the rest having arisen either in Europe or in the Near East." Maca-Meyer et al. 2003 analyze the "autochthonous North African lineage U6" in mtDNA, concluding that:

"The most probable origin of the proto-U6 lineage was the Near East. Around 30,000 years ago it spread to North Africa where it represents a signature of regional continuity. Subgroup U6a reflects the first African expansion from the Maghrib returning to the east in Paleolithic times. Derivative clade U6a1 signals a posterior movement from East Africa back to the Maghrib and the Near East. This migration coincides with the probable Afroasiatic linguistic expansion."

[Jake Featherston]

Since the end of the Second World War, North Africa has essentially functioned as an extension of the Middle East/southwest Asia along the northern coast of Africa. Previously, going back many centuries, North Africa functioned as an extension of southern Euope. North Africa has never had anything to do with Black people, except for some brought up there as slaves. I mean, are (some of) you people actually serious? You thought Algeria and Libya were inhabited by Negros, just because they were in "Africa"? The very idea is ludicrous. There have been White people in North Africa for thousands of years.

It is interesting to note, however, that a region that until a few decades ago was essentially a European backwater is today an integrated part of the Middle East. Could a similar fate be in store for places like France, Iberia, Germany, and Italia?

[Petyr Baelish]

The Black Africans for hundreds of thousands of years.

Anatomically modern humans have existed in Africa for no longer than 160K years, and to call these earliest speciemens 'Negroid' would be quite a stretch.

[Byssus]

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