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Ixtab
01-28-2007, 11:05 PM
"Tatum begins by claiming that the current dictionary definition of racism is inaccurate because a white person defined it. Rather than being 'A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities' or 'racial prejudice or discrimination' as Webster's Dictionary would have it, Tatum suggests that racism is a 'system of advantage based on race.' Thus, all whites that use the system, even involuntarily, are racist."
Dart Review
Harvard scientists have studied the problem of White Racism and realised the only way to end it is through the abolition of the white race:
"In the interests of survival, Afro-Americans have always studied whiteness... The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists."
(Harvard)
Care to be more specific than just "Harvard" in attributing your quote below? I know who said it, don't you?
Harvard scientists have studied the problem of White Racism and realised the only way to end it is through the abolition of the white race:
"In the interests of survival, Afro-Americans have always studied whiteness... The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists."
(Harvard)
Roland
01-28-2007, 11:51 PM
racism is a 'system of advantage based on race.' Thus, all whites that use the system, even involuntarily, are racist."
This is perhaps the greatest fraud perpetuated in the humanities today.
Harvard scientists have studied the problem of White Racism and realised the only way to end it is through the abolition of the white race:
I don't think Noel Ignatiev is a scientist, but rather a historian. In any case, he is a proponent of a self-refuting ideology. His whites-first initiative (whites lead the way toward the abolition of race) exposes his own racialist position clearly: embark on a social program with a pejorative title intending to abolish something self-evident in a group of people (something that blacks have been fighting against for centuries.) "Abolish the white race" is nothing more than the white man's burden reflected back on itself, and is therefore subject to all the methods of deconstruction, archeology, genealogy etc. that the humanities have used to refute the dogma of western progress.
Starr
01-29-2007, 12:03 AM
Tatum suggests that racism is a 'system of advantage based on race.' Thus, all whites that use the system, even involuntarily, are racist."
Dart Review
What if whites have more advantages and are more successful then some on average due to genetics rather than institutionalized racism? Or perhaps it is "racist" for whites to be as successful as they can possibly be since we are not all equal and that just isn't fair.:whip:
Felix the Cat
01-29-2007, 12:29 AM
So is it racism to point out that colored people are racist?
I don't think Noel Ignatiev is a scientist, but rather a historian. In any case, he is a proponent of a self-refuting ideology. His whites-first initiative (whites lead the way toward the abolition of race) exposes his own racialist position clearly:
Yes it does. Ignatiev is a non-White calling for the destruction of the White race, who illustrates the wisdom of a jews-first initiative toward the abolition of race.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
01-29-2007, 01:01 AM
Ignatiev is a non-White calling for the destruction of the White race, who illustrates the wisdom of a jews-first initiative toward the abolition of race.
Then why would he be "race traitor?" :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
Dances with Wolves
01-29-2007, 01:03 AM
LOL because he's a jew trying to get others to jettison their racial feeling? Just a thought.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
01-29-2007, 01:03 AM
Then he wouldn't be traitor according to your own delusional logic.
antibuddha
01-29-2007, 01:04 AM
If they think they're getting of the moral hook by trying to re-define racism as a "system of advantage" rather than a belief system they are deluding themselves. Although "whites" certainly have the larger socioeconomic sphere going in their favor, if, for a moment, we could imagine a young white student going to a predominantly black school or living in a predominantly black area, there would most certainly be a tacit "system of advantages" against him, socially speaking. And, as far as his day to day life goes, this would affect him negatively more than the white advantage in the business and academic worlds would affect him positively (and this very scenario is probably a very large trigger for young white males becoming racists at that).
Then why would he be "race traitor?"
He's not White you ....., I've already made that point. And I haven't called him a race traitor. In fact he is an ideal example of his race.
(edited to remove insult to retards)
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
01-29-2007, 01:13 AM
Then why does he make a publication called "race traitor?"
:duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
If he isn't white he couldn't be a traitor u dumb f*ck.
Roland
01-29-2007, 01:14 AM
Professor Ignatiev's journal, Race Traitor.
http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/0902135.html
An interview with Professor Ignatiev: http://www.massnews.com/2003_Editions/2003_Print_Editions/01_Jan/010103_mn_professor_abolish_white_race.shtml
MassNews: You advocate the goal of "abolishing the white race" in the September-October issue of Harvard Magazine and in your "Race Traitor" publication. Please explain what you mean by "abolishing the white race."
Prof. Ignatiev: Good question. While we speak of abolishing the white race, we are not talking about killing people with fair skin and straight hair and so forth. We are talking about doing away with the social meaning of what is called race. Your color or anything like that turns out to have no more significance for your position in society than the shape of your ears or the size of your feet. That's what we mean by abolishing the white race as a social category.
I'd like to give you two examples. One is royalty. There was a time when people believed that the royal family was really distinctive by blood and owed its position to some special quality that it inherited. Nobody believes that anymore. To abolish royalty does not necessarily mean killing the king or queen. It means doing away with thrones, titles, royal privileges, crowns and all the other trappings of royalty so that Elizabeth Rex becomes plain Lizzie Hanover. That's what it would mean to do away with royalty as a social formation.
This is an awful analogy. His premise that, "to abolish royalty does not necessarily mean killing the king or queen" is demonstrably false in light of history.
Anti-royalism means killing the king, and most of the aristocracy via some of the bloodiest and inhumane insurrections in the history of mankind. It's quite possible that the same would analogously arise in a movement grounded in rhetoric that demanded the abolition of the white race. Whenever universal harmony and peace are proclaimed to follow from the abolition of this or that social order, one can be certain that a substantial population will be neglected, or physically harmed.
Ahknaton
01-29-2007, 01:17 AM
Then why does he make a publication called "race traitor?"
If he isn't white he couldn't be a traitor u dumb f*ck.
Just because Ignatiev claims to be a White race traitor doesn't mean we should take his claim at face value.
LastResort56
01-29-2007, 01:22 AM
These Havard scholars for some reason come off as politically correct high priests. "Thus all whites are involuntarily sinful and racist. We must cleanse these white demons from the Earth." They really sound dogmatic and bizzare in their ramblings.
Whats most outraging about this is that Noel is a Havard professor and probably pollutes young white minds with this shit everyday in his classes. And he gets paid to do it too!
Dances with Wolves
01-29-2007, 01:23 AM
I never said he was a "traitor" and I don't think he considers himself one either. However, this is the direct result of thinking jews are white and accepting them as such.
Fox in sheeps clothing, anyone?
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
01-29-2007, 01:24 AM
I never said he was a "traitor" and I don't think he considers himself one either.
Are you blind? I, and another poster, just pointed out that he writes a publication called RACE TRAITOR!
I don't care what he calls himself, he is not White and he promotes the extermination of the White race. That makes him an archetypal Jew, not a race traitor.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
01-29-2007, 01:26 AM
and he promotes the extermination of the White race.
Then he promotes the extermination of himself, which he does.
Dances with Wolves
01-29-2007, 01:29 AM
You Idiot!!!!!!! He's Not White!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gawd damn!!!!!
Then he promotes the extermination of himself, which he does.
Well then he should inaugurate the Jews-first initiative towards abolishing race and privilege, and stick his Ivy League Jew head in an oven.
Dances with Wolves
01-29-2007, 01:35 AM
Kane123123 thinks this guy is white:
http://www.massnews.com/2003_Editions/2003_images/010103_mn_professor_abolish_white_race3.jpg
Put a turban on him and you couldn't tell him from abdullah.
Starr
01-29-2007, 05:22 AM
He's not White you ....., I've already made that point. And I haven't called him a race traitor. In fact he is an ideal example of his race.
(edited to remove insult to retards)
the type of jews I hate and the kind you are probably thinking of when you say an "ideal example of their race" are the ones who preach one thing for whites and something entirely different for themselves. The last time I checked out the race traitor website there were some anti-zionist rantings. That would seem to indicate he is an idea example of a leftist, one world, "humanitarian type(these people are always anti-white) more than anything else.
harjit
01-29-2007, 11:02 AM
What if whites have more advantages and are more successful then some on average due to genetics rather than institutionalized racism? Or perhaps it is "racist" for whites to be as successful as they can possibly be since we are not all equal and that just isn't fair.:whip:
If people, including liberals, would just forget about race then there wouldn't be this notion of certain races being more successful than others.
There would just be individuals more successful than others.
the type of jews I hate and the kind you are probably thinking of when you say an "ideal example of their race" are the ones who preach one thing for whites and something entirely different for themselves. The last time I checked out the race traitor website there were some anti-zionist rantings. That would seem to indicate he is an idea example of a leftist, one world, "humanitarian type(these people are always anti-white) more than anything else.
He is working to pull down the established order. That's what makes him an ideal example. Whether they are religious or not, they all believe that they are uniquely capable of building a better world. This Jew is no exception. Besides, radicalism is nothing new among the Jews. It's a defining characteristic.
Here are some of his remarks from his anti-Zionist article:
If I accomplish nothing else in this talk, I hope to create space for some who are repelled by Israeli actions but are held back from condemning Zionism by a desire not to be antisemitic.
These are the people my grandfather warned me about—the people who want to ban Darwin from the schools, who want to send to camps people who have sex with members of their own sex—and antisemeets (as he used to say), Jew-haters to the backbone of their souls.
I predict that if Dubya manages to extend his control of the White House in 2004, he will present the bill to whoever is in power in Israel, and that bill will include withdrawal from some of the territories occupied after 1967. If the Israelis respond negatively to this demand, which there is every reason to believe they will, and are supported by American Jews, which there is every reason to believe they will be, the younger Bush, already born-again, will be reborn yet one more time and will start making remarks about special minorities with divided loyalties and so forth. In other words, he will stoke up antisemitism
Then why does he make a publication called "race traitor?"
:duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
If he isn't white he couldn't be a traitor u dumb f*ck.
The only dumbf*ck here is you.
"Tatum begins by claiming that the current dictionary definition of racism is inaccurate because a white person defined it. Rather than being 'A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities' or 'racial prejudice or discrimination' as Webster's Dictionary would have it, Tatum suggests that racism is a 'system of advantage based on race.' Thus, all whites that use the system, even involuntarily, are racist."
Dart Review
Harvard scientists have studied the problem of White Racism and realised the only way to end it is through the abolition of the white race:
"In the interests of survival, Afro-Americans have always studied whiteness... The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists."
(Harvard)
Bah!! Bah!!! NOBODY is looking to destroy the 'white race'. Race mixing throughout the world is a reality because we have definitely become a global village. The premise that race mixing or 'the destruction of white values' are a fact only contribute to fuel racism and bigotry. BS!!!! :deadhorse:
Starr
02-10-2007, 07:24 PM
A global village.:hurl:
That "global village" threatens to destroy all unique cultures. Why are you in favor of this?
And albo, you are aware that ix did not pull that comment out of the thin air, but that it came from a very real website and though stated in a more extreme fashion it reflects views that are not uncommon among leftist "humanitarian" anti-white, anti-western nutbars of this type?
Micaelis
02-10-2007, 07:31 PM
In my definition, "racism" is an irrational, hostile attitude applicable to all racially quantifiable units in relation to those of different racial classification. It is not limited to one particular racial group, though power structures may incite such attitudes of victimisation and negative verbal or physical retaliation in pursuit of sovereignty from that perceived power structure. However, that does not define racist energy per se, only one of its several stimulants.
Micaelis
02-10-2007, 07:35 PM
A global village.:hurl:
That "global village" threatens to destroy all unique cultures. Why are you in favor of this?
I favor a global culture with sub-cultures that are geo-ethnographically specific.
With modern forms of transportation and communication, a global atmosphere is inevitable. To avoid it, you might as well retreat into a cave and cast shadows as reality. It will be Plato's allegory all over again.
Winston
02-10-2007, 08:16 PM
In my definition, "racism" is an irrational, hostile attitude applicable to all racially quantifiable units in relation to those of different racial classification. It is not limited to one particular racial group, though power structures may incite such attitudes of victimisation and negative verbal or physical retaliation in pursuit of sovereignty from that perceived power structure. However, that does not define racist energy per se, only one of its several stimulants.
Please explain in detail why racism is irrational.
Micaelis
02-10-2007, 08:30 PM
Please explain in detail why racism is irrational.
Rather than relying on rational information and making racist conclusions, racism stems from the abhorration of phenotypic deviation from one's own tribe and requires no discourse or objective analysis to be affirmed. For example, racism occured and continues to occur between Europid peoples, which demonstrates the entropy S of the racist system. Racism is dogmatic and doctrinal, yet is chaotic in its interior and, because it lacks scientific proof, is subject to philosophical interpretation. It creates forms of "being" -ie., White Man- and exalts them in idolatry. As a consequence, it is not surprising that groups such as WCOTC and the White Man's Bible were founded from such a system. It flourishes on irrationality.
Ahknaton
02-10-2007, 09:09 PM
Rather than relying on rational information and making racist conclusions, racism stems from the abhorration of phenotypic deviation from one's own tribe and requires no discourse or objective analysis to be affirmed. For example, racism occured and continues to occur between Europid peoples, which demonstrates the entropy S of the racist system. Racism is dogmatic and doctrinal, yet is chaotic in its interior and, because it lacks scientific proof, is subject to philosophical interpretation. It creates forms of "being" -ie., White Man- and exalts them in idolatry. As a consequence, it is not surprising that groups such as WCOTC and the White Man's Bible were founded from such a system. It flourishes on irrationality.
You have some valid points in the sense that racist generalisations are often over-applied. For example, it is irrational to make deductive inferences about an individual based on group generalisations of the form:
Group X is more crime-prone than group Y
John is a member of group X
John is a criminal
However, it IS rational to make generalised inferences of the form
Group X is more crime-prone than group Y
If we admit 100,000 (representative) members of group X into our country they will almost certainly commit more crime in aggregate than if we admit 100,000 (representative) members of group Y
This is a rational conclusion. The reason that it is not accepted is that the post-Enlightenment individualism of the West has a moral problem with collective reasoning applied human beings, not because it is irrational.
Micaelis
02-10-2007, 10:07 PM
However, it IS rational to make generalised inferences of the form
Group X is more crime-prone than group Y
If we admit 100,000 (representative) members of group X into our country they will almost certainly commit more crime in aggregate than if we admit 100,000 (representative) members of group Y
This is a rational conclusion.
I agree, though the information is not conclusive for racism or even racially-affirmative statements. Remember that race is a hard aspect of biology. There are no "crime" genes. Crime is a behavioural deviation from the status quo.
Starr
02-10-2007, 10:21 PM
Crime is a behavioural deviation from the status quo.
There are some stupid and what could also be called "oppressive" laws, so in some instances this is true. But violent street crime could be described more as a deviation from the widely accepted moral and other standards of civilized people in civilized society. And blacks, for instance, are much more likely than others to commit these acts as well.
Micaelis
02-10-2007, 10:22 PM
There are some stupid and would could also be called "oppressive" laws, so in some instances this is true. But violent crime could be described more as a deviation from the widely accepted moral and other standards of civilized society. And blacks, for instance, are much more likely than others to commit these acts as well.
I think identity politik rather than race better explains the black deviation in Western countries.
maxsnafu
02-11-2007, 05:02 PM
If people, including liberals, would just forget about race then there wouldn't be this notion of certain races being more successful than others.
There would just be individuals more successful than others.
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Janus
02-11-2007, 05:21 PM
Rather than relying on rational information and making racist conclusions... If "racist conclusions" can be derived from "rational information", racism is not irrational....racism stems from the abhorration of phenotypic deviation from one's own tribe and requires no discourse or objective analysis to be affirmed. You have used the term "phenotype" in other threads. Do you realize it includes whatever behaviors an individual might possess?
EDIT: I was adding content.
Janus
02-11-2007, 05:28 PM
EDIT: This is a double-post.
Bah!! Bah!!! NOBODY is looking to destroy the 'white race'. Race mixing throughout the world is a reality because we have definitely become a global village. The premise that race mixing or 'the destruction of white values' are a fact only contribute to fuel racism and bigotry. BS!!!! :deadhorse:
PEOPLE!
hating whites is not a crime!
therefore you can say whatever you want because the ZOG thought police will protect you.
and when all advanced countries are reduced to serfdom and we all live in caves again we can be happy.
Micaelis
02-11-2007, 08:26 PM
If "racist conclusions" can be derived from "rational information", racism is not irrational.
I agree. However, no such conclusions can be made.
You have used the term "phenotype" in other threads. Do you realize it includes whatever behaviors an individual might possess?
I disagree. Phenotype is a hard aspect of evolved, environmental adaptation. For instance, the phenotypical characteristics of a moth evolve to their environment, while behavioural characteristics are essentially the same throughout the species. Behaviour in homo sapiens is a psychological phenomena, and psychical characteristics are shared across the board. That is why there is no need for a Negroid psychology or Caucasoid psychology but a psychology in general.
calvin
02-11-2007, 09:44 PM
I disagree. Phenotype is a hard aspect of evolved, environmental adaptation. For instance, the phenotypical characteristics of a moth evolve to their environment, while behavioural characteristics are essentially the same throughout the species. Behaviour in homo sapiens is a psychological phenomena, and psychical characteristics are shared across the board. That is why there is no need for a Negroid psychology or Caucasoid psychology but a psychology in general
This seems self-deceiving to me, there is great variation in the psychological attributes of individual humans. When humans separate into groups that evolve in geographical isolation, environmental imperatives would be likely mitigate in favour of certain psychological traits and against other psychological traits; introversion and extroversion seem to be obvious qualities, as would altruism and aggression. I see no reason why psychological differences would not be coterminous with phenotypical differences, in fact, it seems unlikely to me that there would not be noticeable differences in group psychological and cognitive attributes.
Micaelis
02-11-2007, 09:48 PM
This seems self-deceiving to me, there is great variation in the psychological attributes of individual humans. When humans separate into groups that evolve in geographical isolation, environmental imperatives would be likely mitigate in favour of certain psychological traits and against other psychological traits; introversion and extroversion seem to be obvious qualities, as would altruism and aggression. I see no reason why psychological differences would not be coterminous with phenotypical differences, in fact, it seems unlikely to me that there would not be noticeable differences in group psychological and cognitive attributes.
Variability is random in both ingroups and outgroups. Phenotype itself is not a factor. Populations do adapt to their environment to learn methods of survival. With that I agree. However, that is also variable within members of the same race.
Janus
02-11-2007, 11:32 PM
However, no such conclusions can be made. What is "racism"?I disagree. Can you present an external definition of "phenotype" that does not include behavior?...the phenotypical characteristics of a moth evolve to their environment, while behavioural characteristics are essentially the same throughout the species. Do you have any evidence for that assertion?Behaviour in homo sapiens is a psychological phenomena... Psychology is partially-determined by heredity....psychical characteristics are shared across the board... Can you prove this assertion?
Brechun
02-12-2007, 01:00 AM
This seems self-deceiving to me, there is great variation in the psychological attributes of individual humans. When humans separate into groups that evolve in geographical isolation, environmental imperatives would be likely mitigate in favour of certain psychological traits and against other psychological traits; introversion and extroversion seem to be obvious qualities, as would altruism and aggression. I see no reason why psychological differences would not be coterminous with phenotypical differences, in fact, it seems unlikely to me that there would not be noticeable differences in group psychological and cognitive attributes.
Without a doubt large differences in intelligence and personality can and have arised in the 50,000-100,000 years humans have been migrating out of africa, but nothing truly fixed. Major, immutable structural differences in the brains of hominids take upwards of many hunderds of thousands to millions of years.
All of the vastly differing cognitive and psychological differences we see "differing" among racial groups are completely non-racial- it's just regular, human psychological variation. Deep down, an altruistic inuit whose deep-bond and affirmation for family life that's arisen from the harshness of arctic life has no fixed difference compared to your average ghetto black who can only think with his DHT-laden "muh dick".
no im not kidding ok
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-12-2007, 01:06 AM
Tatum begins by claiming that the current dictionary definition of racism is inaccurate because a white person defined it. Rather than being 'A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities' or 'racial prejudice or discrimination' as Webster's Dictionary would have it, Tatum suggests that racism is a 'system of advantage based on race.' Thus, all whites that use the system, even involuntarily, are racist."
First of all, whites are given no advantage. Affirmitive action, illegal aliens, and massive immigration of non-whites into white countries are not advantages at all. Second of all, if blacks are under privileged, this is a black problem, not a white problem. Whites shouldn't be expected to fix it. Third of all, even so, we do try to fix it, and blacks still fail.
Harvard scientists have studied the problem of White Racism and realised the only way to end it is through the abolition of the white race:
"In the interests of survival, Afro-Americans have always studied whiteness... The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.
This implies whites are holding down blacks, which they aren't. And secondly, this is quite a "racist" view in itself.
Osmium14
02-12-2007, 02:56 AM
Without a doubt large differences in intelligence and personality can and have arised in the 50,000-100,000 years humans have been migrating out of africa, but nothing truly fixed. Major, immutable structural differences in the brains of hominids take upwards of many hunderds of thousands to millions of years.
All of the vastly differing cognitive and psychological differences we see "differing" among racial groups are completely non-racial- it's just regular, human psychological variation. Deep down, an altruistic inuit whose deep-bond and affirmation for family life that's arisen from the harshness of arctic life has no fixed difference compared to your average ghetto black who can only think with his DHT-laden "muh dick".
no im not kidding ok
That's bullshit. The White race is only about 65,000 years separated from the negro race, and yet there can be up to 10% genetic difference in our DNA between two races.
Some scientists even say that the European race is 100,000 years separate from the African race. This means that we're even more different than Africans, and within that time period, there would be massive psychological and physical changes, including intelligence, behavior, skeletal structure, and more. Africans have longer arms than Europeans, even when they're at the same height. Africans have a greater height potential on average. If there are physical differences than there are mental differences too. If there were NO MENTAL DIFFERENCES whatsoever, all living organisms would be as "intelligent" as the common Earthworm in the dirt.
"As to differences among races, there are many differences such as head shape and facial features, physical maturity at birth, brain formation and cranial capacity, visual and auditory acuity, body size and proportions, number of vertebrae, blood types, bone density, length of gestation period, number and distribution of sweat glands, rate of infant development of alpha brain waves, fingerprints, ability to digest milk, hair forms and distribution, odor, color blindness, genetic diseases (such as sickle cell anemia and Tay Sachs), galvanic skin resistance, pigmentation of the skin and eyes, and susceptibility to infectious diseases. If there are this many physical differences, it would be silly to think that there would be no mental differences, and indeed we do find that they not only exist, but are of great significance. The brain is the most important organ in the human body. It comprises only 2% of our total body weight but uses 25% of all the calories we consume. The brain never sleeps; it works around the clock keeping the body functioning. Besides the thinking process, it operates the heart, respiratory and digestive systems, and directs the body's resistance to disease."
Source: http://www.americannaziparty.com/news/archives.php?report_date=2006-07-09
Wendy Hui Kyong Chun Programmed Visions: Software, DNA, Race
Although post WWII it no longer credibly links physical differences with innate mental differences, race remains a valid category. In the work of population geneticists, racial groups have become “breeding populations”; in the work of molecular biologists, racial groups are defined by the probability of having a combination of mainly unexpressed genetic material. Culturally, race has become more on display than ever, even as the question of what race indexes—cultural or genetic differences, the results of economic injustice—remains unresolved. Race and software thus mark the contours of our current understanding of visual knowledge as “programmable visions.”
Source: http://www.brown.edu/Departments/MCM/people/chun/PV_abstract.pdf
"Anti-racists have too much invested in maintaining their monopoly on moral rectitude ever to allow themselves to be swayed by argument or evidence." -Andrew Fraser
Starr
02-12-2007, 03:37 AM
This implies whites are holding down blacks, which they aren't. And secondly, this is quite a "racist" view in itself.
It is actually pretty funny. To believe in the nice, egalitarian myths about how all cultures, people, and lifestyles are equal also requires you to judge whites and western culture as bad, racist, and responsible for the great evils of the world. This shows how much they believe in their own rhetoric.
calvin
02-12-2007, 07:37 AM
The present egalitarian understanding is that because Whites are the dominant group in a collective of groups that are equal in talent, the White group must be suppressing the talents of the other groups. This would mean that either White people have a superior talent for oppression or that White people are inferior in terms of morality. If the present racial hierarchy is the result of either innate inferiority or innate superiority this is in itself de facto evidence of the inequality of the races.
If the achievement of dominance is only made possible by the exclusion and suppression of talented out-group members any group that achieves influence that is disproportionate to its numerical strength is racist. Jews are disproportionately wealthy and have disproportionate influence in the media, in politics and over popular culture. Egalitarian racial theory proves that the Jews are racist, thus egalitarian racist theory is anti-Semitic; anti-Semitism is racism, so racial egalitarianism is racist.
cerberus
02-12-2007, 07:55 AM
I don't subscribe to this at all.
The most racist remark I have ever heard was made by an Indian towards a Pakistani - and it was bad.
A glance at the news in recent years will confirm that racialist views are not a white only issue , this notion is out the window.
You think what has happened in Africa in recent years is not racists , coloured on coloured and coloured on white ?
The Japanese in WW2 most certainly had an anti European ideology - which given their craving for German technology proved that they didn't have a monopoly on being top dog , all the time.
We as a species have an inate instinct to fear and react towards anything who is different it is a primative survival instinct , we think we are smart forward thinking and accomplished beings but bottomline is we are still a rather daft and short sighted lot and this will ultimately be our undoing - we all are too smug by far.
calvin
02-12-2007, 11:32 PM
Variability is random in both ingroups and outgroups. Phenotype itself is not a factor. Populations do adapt to their environment to learn methods of survival. With that I agree. However, that is also variable within members of the same race
Intra-group variables do not obviate the existence of inter-group variables. A group is defined as a group on the basis of the frequency of variables not on the existence of variables.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-19-2007, 06:27 PM
Egalitarian racial theory proves that the Jews are racist, thus egalitarian racist theory is anti-Semitic; anti-Semitism is racism, so racial egalitarianism is racist.
Jews aren't racist enough frankly. They should be doing more. They should be more zionist than they are and be 10 times more racist than they are.
Liberalism is a problem within Judaism, jews need to rethink their positions and become more conservative.
Galdr
02-25-2007, 06:28 PM
Nonwhites can definately be racist and anyone who says differently are fools.
Felix the Cat
02-25-2007, 08:03 PM
The word "racism" is often used selectively, to describe the racial sentiments of alleged "oppressor" races
When the "oppressed" lash out violently on a racial basis, this is usually described as something other than racism
Galdr
02-26-2007, 04:24 AM
The word "racism" is often used selectively, to describe the racial sentiments of alleged "oppressor" races
When the "oppressed" lash out violently on a racial basis, this is usually described as something other than racism
So in other words you are trying to say evil whitey is a violent oppressor......:rolleyes: while everyone else is innocent.
That makes a whole bunch of sense. ( Not.)
Empress Cheesatine
03-31-2007, 03:09 AM
"Tatum begins by claiming that the current dictionary definition of racism is inaccurate because a white person defined it. Rather than being 'A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities' or 'racial prejudice or discrimination' as Webster's Dictionary would have it, Tatum suggests that racism is a 'system of advantage based on race.' Thus, all whites that use the system, even involuntarily, are racist."
Dart Review
Harvard scientists have studied the problem of White Racism and realised the only way to end it is through the abolition of the white race:
"In the interests of survival, Afro-Americans have always studied whiteness... The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists."
(Harvard)
BAHAHAHAHA How hilarious! Blacks just want to get away with the same kind of thinking they accuse white people of harboring.
If they're interested in "abolishing racism" then theyd better abolish all races, which means they want to abolish the whole of humanity. These Harvard pseudo-scientists are a bunch of leftist quacks.
Empress Cheesatine
03-31-2007, 03:14 AM
The word "racism" is often used selectively, to describe the racial sentiments of alleged "oppressor" races
When the "oppressed" lash out violently on a racial basis, this is usually described as something other than racism
So, then when Europeans invade Muslim counries and beat their pathetic rag-covered asses to a pulp, they aren't engaging in racism because, after all, the Muslims have invaded Europe for over 1,000 years and exploited white folks to no end. I get the idea here. That means Spaniards, for example, have the right to beat their oppressors, namely the north Africans, into the dust for an equal number of years that the Caliphate existed in Spain. The Slavs, likewise, have the right to fuck Turkey for a few hundred years as well.
Hopefully the Austrians will get on board and pay the Turks back for the sieges at Vienna!! :bbbat:
I think this is what Malcolm X called The Hate that Hate Produced.
So why are these poeple bitching that the Europeans are in the middle east kicking Muslim ass? Can't the Muzzies take back some of their own medicine? What pussies these camel-fuckers are! If you go by the calendar, I think we owe these people several hundred more years of hell.
:rofl:
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