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wonder cow
02-02-2007, 04:08 AM
So I heard the rumors from time to time. And by looking at him and some of his mannerisms from film, I can see a little bit of gayness in him.

But then, a few weeks back, I see something on the History Channel that gives compelling reasons to believe that the man might have been gay.

So I found this book with a Google book search that illuminates more on the issue, and gives a good preview of the book.

Lothar Machtan makes a compelling case that Adolf Hitler was homosexual, and that one cannot begin to understand him, his entry into politics, and the early Nazi movement without a clear understanding of this aspect of his identity. Recent books on the Nazi movement have argued that the Third Reich was a fundamentally sordid regime. Machtan provides powerful new evidence in support of this view. This side of Hitler and his "Munich clique, " as Goebbels put it, has never been so vividly evoked. As an intimate portrait of Hitler and as a surprising portrait of the homoerotic nature of the early Nazi movement, The Hidden Hitler is a major and certainly controversial contribution to the biographical literature.

The Hidden Hitler (http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0465043097&id=-54Cnu8SsnwC&pg=PP1&lpg=PP1&ots=n9AYTZet_d&dq=Lothar+Machtan&sig=MKaD2c9VuAJ1KrKfwxnS0Etw7kc#PPA141,M1)

And here is an article about the book with some more quotes from the author:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,564899,00.html

Hitler was gay - and killed to hide it, book says


Kate Connolly in Berlin
Sunday October 7, 2001
The Observer


Adolf Hitler was gay - or so says a sensational new biography on the Nazi dictator due to be published tomorrow.
Eyewitness accounts from Hitler's former lovers, and historical documents that for the first time illuminate rumours that have circulated for over half a century, are disclosed in Hitler's Secret: The Double Life of a Dictator .

The respected German historian Lothar Machtan even claims in his book that Hitler ordered the deaths of several high-ranking Nazis to prevent the secret of his homosexuality from surfacing.

Ernst Röhm, the leader of Hitler's Sturm Abteilung or Storm Troopers, tried to blackmail Hitler by threatening to reveal his sexuality. Röhm, who was also gay, was murdered as a result, according to Machtan, a history teacher at Bremen University.
He refers to scores of historical documents to support his thesis. In 1915, the young Hitler was a dispatch rider at the front in France. Years later, yet before Hitler became infamous, one of his fellow soldiers, Hans Mend, wrote in his memoirs: 'At night, Hitler lay with Schmidl, his male whore.' Schmidl, otherwise known as Ernst Schmidt, and Hitler were 'inseparable lovers' for five years, according to Machtan.

Hitler's service notes read that as a result of the love affair there was reluctance among senior officers to promote him. According to Erich Ebermeier, a lawyer and writer who viewed Hitler's military files years later: 'Despite his bravery towards the enemy, because of his homosexual activity he lost out on a promotion to non-commissioned officer.'

Police reports from Munich after the First World War also suggest that Hitler was pursued by police because of his sexual orientation. 'As a "brown" [fascist] activist, Hitler managed to lure many young men to his side, but not only for political reasons,' says Machtan.

According to a Munich police protocol from the early part of the 20th century, a 22-year-old man called Joseph told the police: 'I spent the whole night with him.' Another, Michael, who was 18, told them: 'I had been unemployed for months, and my mother and my brother were always hungry, so, at his request, I accompanied the man to his home.' Another, a boy called Franz, said: 'He asked me if I'd like to stay with him and he told me his name was Adolf Hitler.'

The police reports were collected by Otto von Lossow, a German army general who took part in suppressing the Hitler putsch in 1923. He kept the Munich police file for years, as, he described it, 'a form of personal life insurance'. If Hitler had attempted to push him aside, he would have blackmailed him with the information, he said. The police documents were published some years ago in Rome by Eugen Dollmann, a close friend of Heinrich Himmler's and also Hitler's interpreter. But because his book never appeared in German, the startling information remained largely overlooked by historians.

Machtan says that Hitler was particularly drawn to Rudolf Hess, his deputy, who was known in party circles as 'black Emma' and with whom he had spent months in Landsberg prison.

Why, then, did the Nazis persecute homosexuals, sending hundreds of thousands of them to their deaths in labour camps and the gas chambers?

'Hitler himself never condemned homosexuality, but he allowed the persecution of gays in order to disguise his own true colours,' Machtan says.


What do you think? I think he was gay.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:11 AM
No, he was not gay. Liberals start these rumours to make him look bad although they're the same ones always pushing for gay rights. This thread is insulting.

What do you think? I think he was gay.

You're a moron.

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:17 AM
You're a moron.

Hitler always scored first in the poop shoot.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 04:17 AM
No, he was not gay. Liberals start these rumours to make him look bad although they're the same ones always pushing for gay rights. This thread is insulting.

I'm not a liberal. I'm non-ideological. I did not start the rumors.

You're a moron.

How so? There seems to be at least strong circumstantial evidence that the man was gay.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:18 AM
Hitler always scored first in the poop shoot.

Are you implying that Hitler engaged in anal sex?

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:18 AM
What do you think? I think he was gay.

The evidence can hardly be refuted. Hitler was a flaming homo.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 04:18 AM
No, he was not gay. Liberals start these rumours to make him look bad although they're the same ones always pushing for gay rights. This thread is insulting.



You're a moron.
Why do you feel such a need to defend Hitler?

But I don't think he was gay.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:20 AM
I'm not a liberal. I'm non-ideological. I did not start the rumors.

No, but you're falling for them and perpetuating them.



How so? There seems to be at least strong circumstantial evidence that the man was gay.

There is none. He was MARRIED.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:21 AM
Why do you feel such a need to defend Hitler?

But I don't think he was gay.

Because I have a certain admiration for the man and I dislike seeing his name smeared in this manner. It's tantamount to libel.

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:23 AM
Because I have a certain admiration for the man and I dislike seeing his name smeared in this manner. It's tantamount to libel.

Really? Logical evidence has been submitted for you to disprove. Calling the poster a moron doesn't quite do the trick.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 04:23 AM
No, but you're falling for them and perpetuating them.

I’m falling for nothing. I’m just asking a simple little question about Hitler being a fag. Is that so wrong?

There is none. He was MARRIED.

Oh, yes. His marriage. "I do". BANG. BANG.

Commander
02-02-2007, 04:25 AM
No I don't think Hitler was a fag. Yes, I do think the Jews are going to drag his name threw the mud forever because he made a few of them do an actual honest day's work in one of his labor camps.

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:27 AM
No I don't think Hitler was a fag. Yes, I do think the Jews are going to drag his name threw the mud forever because he made a few of them do an actual honest day's work in one of his labor camps.

The Jews are more than justified in pissing on his head.

Der Sozialist
02-02-2007, 04:27 AM
Really? Logical evidence has been submitted for you to disprove. Calling the poster a moron doesn't quite do the trick.
The original posts presents very little evidence and most of it can be interpreted either way. Even more—to make definite assertions on the sexual orientation of a dead political figure when there is plenty of uncertainty reveals their bias. This is obviously the old, if you dislike homosexuals then you are gay, canard.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:28 AM
Really? Logical evidence has been submitted for you to disprove. Calling the poster a moron doesn't quite do the trick.

None of that is logical. It's all heresay.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 04:28 AM
No I don't think Hitler was a fag. Yes, I do think the Jews are going to drag his name threw the mud

Oh yeah. He was Jewish also. I forgot about his Jewish ancestry.

So let's see what we have learned today class: Hitler was a Jewish fag. Anyone have anything else to add to his pedigree?

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:29 AM
The original posts presents very little evidence and most of it can be interpreted either way. Even more—to make definite assertions on the sexual orientation of a dead political figure when there is plenty of uncertainty reveals their bias. This is obviously the old, if you dislike homosexuals then you are gay, canard.

Wonder cow submitted a link to a book that attempts to prove Hitler was gay. The evidence is there for Hitlerians to disprove. There's no conspiracy involved, believe it or not.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:29 AM
The Jews are more than justified in pissing on his head.

Please, go on. :nopity:

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:30 AM
Oh yeah. He was Jewish also. I forgot about his Jewish ancestry.

So let's see what we have learned today class: Hitler was a Jewish fag. Anyone have anything else to add to his pedigree?

Hitler wasn't a Jew. Now you're just being retarded.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:30 AM
Oh yeah. He was Jewish also. I forgot about his Jewish ancestry.

So let's see what we have learned today class: Hitler was a Jewish fag. Anyone have anything else to add to his pedigree?

Another myth that only idiots buy into. Do you know anything about his lineage? If so, please tell us. I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say on the matter.

Starr
02-02-2007, 04:30 AM
'Hitler himself never condemned homosexuality, but he allowed the persecution of gays in order to disguise his own true colours,' Machtan says

Isn't the usual myth that people who are trying to hide their homosexuality are also the ones who are the most vehemently "homophobic?" The person who wrote this needs to go back to the drawingboard and learn the true form of that smear tactic that passes as pyschological "fact" among some.

Holly
02-02-2007, 04:30 AM
The Jews are more than justified in pissing on his head.

Read the thread here about the jew monument in Berlin, memory of dead jews and dead jews to come is what is getting pee on them

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:31 AM
The original posts presents very little evidence and most of it can be interpreted either way. Even more—to make definite assertions on the sexual orientation of a dead political figure when there is plenty of uncertainty reveals their bias. This is obviously the old, if you dislike homosexuals then you are gay, canard.

Quite true. :thanks:

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:31 AM
Please, go on. :nopity:

Thanks, but I'll let the Jews do that instead. :)

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:33 AM
Read the thread here about the jew monument in Berlin, memory of dead jews and dead jews to come is what is getting pee on them

Good. I wouldn't mind if they built a monument that covered the entirety of Germany.

Shades of Revolution
02-02-2007, 04:33 AM
Why does this even matter?

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:35 AM
Good. I wouldn't mind if they built a monument that covered the entirety of Germany.

:rolleyes:

You really are pathetic.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 04:36 AM
Hitler wasn't a Jew. Now you're just being retarded.

It is well known that Hitler had his genealogy altered in order to prove he was 100% legitimate German "white folk".

His father was illegitimate and his biological grandfather is not known. Hitler's grandmother worked in a home for Jewish people, and it is suspected that one of the young lads put his Jewish dick in her. Seriously, you didn't know this?

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:37 AM
It is well known that Hitler had his genealogy altered in order to prove he was 100% legitimate German "white folk".

His father was illegitimate and his biological grandfather is not known. Hitler's grandmother worked in a home for Jewish people, and it is suspected that one of the young lads put his Jewish dick in her. Seriously, you didn't know this?

It was a theory, but HIGHLY unlikely. The most logical candidate for Hitler's biological grandfather is Johannes Hiedler who was NOT a Jew.

Holly
02-02-2007, 04:37 AM
Oh yeah. He was Jewish also. I forgot about his Jewish ancestry.

So let's see what we have learned today class: Hitler was a Jewish fag. Anyone have anything else to add to his pedigree?

Hey harjit, I think you just found the newest member for your forum here

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:38 AM
It is well known that Hitler had his genealogy altered in order to prove he was 100% legitimate German "white folk".

His father was illegitimate and his biological grandfather is not known. Hitler's grandmother worked in a home for Jewish people, and it is suspected that one of the young lads put his Jewish dick in her. Seriously, you didn't know this?

So if your grandmother worked at a "home" for black people, would that make you black? Because God knows she didn't spread her legs for a little bit of the dark meat ...

Like I said, you're being retarded now.

Holly
02-02-2007, 04:39 AM
Good. I wouldn't mind if they built a monument that covered the entirety of Germany.

Well maybe you shoud just get a little voodoo doll and stick pins in it before you go to sleep evey night, see what happens

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:39 AM
Hey harjit, I think you just found the newest member for your forum here

What does Harjit have to do with this thread? :confused:

Micaelis
02-02-2007, 04:40 AM
Well maybe you shoud just get a little voodoo doll and stick pins in it before you go to sleep evey night, see what happens

Why? The Nazis have been destroyed. We can ALL sleep peacefully.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 04:40 AM
Does anyone deny that the SA was slap full of fags and that the leadership was all queer and that the way to the top was down the old Hershey highway?

Holly
02-02-2007, 04:41 AM
What does Harjit have to do with this thread? :confused:

Does it not seem he would fit in well with the rest of the clowns on msf ?

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:41 AM
Does anyone deny that the SA was slap full of fags and that the leadership was all queer and that they way to the top was down the old Hershey highway?

You're disgusting.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:42 AM
Does it not seem he would fit in well with the rest of the clowns on msf ?

It seems that he would like MSF, but I do like Harjit.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 04:43 AM
So if your grandmother worked at a "home" for black people, would that make you black? Because God knows she didn't spread her legs for a little bit of the dark meat ...

If my grandmother had an illegitimate child of whom the father was unknown, and the child had black features, I would say it was a possibility.

And Hitler even looks like a Jew in the eyes.

Holly
02-02-2007, 04:43 AM
Why? The Nazis have been destroyed. We can ALL sleep peacefully.

Nice try, idealology and passions are things which can not be destroyed - Which of course is why the jews must resort to law by decree to punich those who do not buy into their version of history.
True ?

Holly
02-02-2007, 04:44 AM
It seems that he would like MSF, but I do like Harjit.

I do too, we have hardly ever had bad words he seems like a Ok guy.

Der Sozialist
02-02-2007, 04:46 AM
It seems that Wonder Cow wishes to troll, so I suggest we stop giving him the attention and allow this thread to be forgotten.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:47 AM
It seems that Wonder Cow wishes to troll, so I suggest we stop giving him the attention and allow this thread to be forgotten.

Good point. I agree.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 04:49 AM
For an alleged Stalinist, you seem awful eager to defend Hitler...I've always wondered about you lol, Der Socialist.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 04:50 AM
For an alleged Stalinist, you seem awful eager to defend Hitler...I've always wondered about you lol, Der Socialist.

I'm no communist, but I would defend Stalin and certainly Lenin if they were being libeled as such.

Der Sozialist
02-02-2007, 04:51 AM
For an alleged Stalinist, you seem awful eager to defend Hitler...I've always wondered about you lol, Der Socialist.
For a gentile, you seem awfully eager to defend Jews. I've always wondered about you lol, God123123.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 04:52 AM
It seems that Wonder Cow wishes to troll

Now why would a discussion about the fact that Hitler was a homosexual be considered a troll?

I would have expected many to agree or at least give it due consideration.

It's not like it changes one iota all the stuff he did. Now does it?

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 04:54 AM
For an alleged Stalinist, you seem awful eager to defend Hitler...I've always wondered about you lol, Der Socialist.
For a gentile, you seem awfully eager to defend Jews. I've always wondered about you lol, God123123.
The difference is I don't try to claim an ideology which is anti-jew. I'm openly not anti-jew. I don't claim to be a Tzarist, or a Nazi.

Der Sozialist
02-02-2007, 04:56 AM
The difference is I don't try to claim an ideology which is anti-jew. I'm openly not anti-jew. I don't claim to be a Tzarist, or a Nazi.
As someone interested in historical truth, I will always defend the side that I believe is right.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 05:03 AM
:rofl: . I just noticed that this discussion about a historical figure, with a perfectly fair premise and one that is not without precedent (in other words, I didn't pull it right out of the sky), has been moved from the History subforum to the lounge.

Someone is sensitive about their beloved führer and does not want to hear that he was a queer.

Oh well. I calls 'em likes I sees 'em.

Helios Panoptes
02-02-2007, 05:03 AM
Now why would a discussion about the fact that Hitler was a homosexual be considered a troll?

It's not a fact. It's a statement. The truth value of the statement is not known. I read the OP and I didn't see any conclusive evidence that would convince any semi-objective person to make a definitive proclamation, as you have.

As for you being a troll, see your title and: And Hitler even looks like a Jew in the eyes.

:rolleyes:

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 05:04 AM
But so what Helios, you say this is a free speech forum, so what do you care?

Helios Panoptes
02-02-2007, 05:06 AM
But so what Helios, you say this is a free speech forum, so what do you care?

What are you talking about? I'll be damned if I know.

Starr
02-02-2007, 05:06 AM
:rofl: . I just noticed that this discussion about a historical figure, with a perfectly fair premise and one that is not without precedent (in other words, I didn't pull it right out of the sky), has been moved from the History subforum to the lounge.

Someone is sensitive about their beloved führer and does not want to hear that he was a queer.

Oh well. I calls 'em likes I sees 'em.


That is not the case, at all. I moved it because I can see what it is turning into and how it will continue.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 05:08 AM
By saying the guy is a troll, you could be interpreted as implying there's a set ideology that people who deviate from are trolling...

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 05:10 AM
As for you being a troll, see your title and:

Ok. So maybe the "eyes" comment was on the trollish side. But it’s not that outrageous. People make characterizations of the physical traits of others all the time. My opinion is as legitimate as anyone’s.

But the title was not at all trollish. Perfectly legitimate question.

Mike
02-02-2007, 05:10 AM
Those who throw the spurious "gay" accusation at Hitler would be well advised to back up and ask themselves why they feel the need to peddle falsehoods.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 05:20 AM
Those who throw the spurious "gay" accusation at Hitler would be well advised to back up and ask themselves why they feel the need to peddle falsehoods.

Mike. I offer a link with a book that discuss the subject. It is a legitimate question with some strong circumstantial evidence to back it up.

It is likely that he was more of a bisexual I guess, but his association with SA and the years he spent in that organization certainly makes one wonder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm

Ernst Röhm was one of the most prominent of a number of early Nazi party members who was a suspected homosexual, and his homosexuality was ultimately the pretext used for his removal during the purge of the SA. Having been outed in 1925, however, Röhm made little attempt to hide his sexuality. Despite Hitler's pretense of shock upon discovering his deputy's sexual orientation, he had in fact long known that Röhm was homosexual.

During Röhm's tenure at the head of the SA, it has been suggested that a number of homosexual men (notably Karl Ernst, a former bouncer at a gay nightclub, and Edmund Heines) were appointed to and promoted within the SA as a result of high-level liaisons with powerful SA figures. This was despite the openly anti-gay policies of the Nazis, exemplified by their strengthening of Paragraph 175 (criminalising homosexual acts) of the German Criminal Code of 1871.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 05:25 AM
I feel no need to call Hitler a fag, in fact, I think it would discredit me and make me less trustworthy.

Hitler had his flaws. I don't think homosexuality was one of them.

Helios Panoptes
02-02-2007, 05:26 AM
By saying the guy is a troll, you could be interpreted as implying there's a set ideology that people who deviate from are trolling...

1) That he is trolling is not a violation in this case. Hitler is not a member of the forum. While his posts in this thread show that he is trying to stir the pot, he is not being silenced. Hence, it is a "free speech" forum, indeed. One is free to think that Hitler was homosexual and to state as much.

2) Who said anything about deviating from ideology? His title is trollish. Posts about "Jewish eyes" are trollish. His conduct in this thread being deemed trollish has nothing to do with ideology.

3) If I hurt your feelings by pointing out the obvious(you talk about jews a lot), I didn't mean to. :bitchfight:

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 05:29 AM
You didn't hurt my feelings, lol...but my excuse for it is a hot button issue that gets thrown around a lot. You can't avoid the jew issue on this forum if you are a true competitor.

Mike
02-02-2007, 05:33 AM
Does the book provide evidence of actual homosexual liasons? I doubt it, because if such knowledge were uncovered, it would be trumpeted by the Jewish controlled media to no end.

If anything Hitler was more akin to a priest than a homosexual. His sex drive appeared to be low, but it was sublimated into his political work, much like a healthy priest sublimates his carnal drives into his work for the church. It's not rare lifestyle historically, but it's made to seem strange and unnatural in these oversexed times. But after saying that, I overstate Hitler's sublimation, because he did have what would be called a "gf" in these days. Hitler was quite private about that, and it's possible that he neglected poor Eva as times, but he did marry her in the end.

See the other recent thread "Was Hitler a celibate" for related conversation.



Mike. I offer a link with a book that discuss the subject. It is a legitimate question with some strong circumstantial evidence to back it up.

It is likely that he was more of a bisexual I guess, but his association with SA and the years he spent in that organization certainly makes one wonder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 05:35 AM
The title was not trollish.

Need I remind the court that well before I added a touch of troll to this thread, I was called a moron. Followed closely by an accusation that I, in fact, am a retard.

I assure you gentlemen that I am neither. And I can not possibly be held accountable for the sexual preference chosen by a long dead dictator.

I move to dismiss these charges be dismissed, Mr. honor sir.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 05:36 AM
And I can not possibly be held accountable for the sexual preference chosen by a long dead dictator.
I agree with you on that one. If you are a fag, its at least partially a conscious choice.

Mike
02-02-2007, 05:39 AM
Good luck with your choice.

I agree with you on that one. If you are a fag, its at least partially a conscious choice.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 05:40 AM
Does the book provide evidence of actual homosexual liasons? I doubt it, because if such knowledge were uncovered, it would be trumpeted by the Jewish controlled media to no end.

Like I said, it provides strong circumstantial evidence.

But do you have evidence of any heterosexual activity on his part. I mean, pictures and eyewitness accounts of him engaged in the act?

If not, then I would suggest you cannot assume the man was a heterosexual.

If anything Hitler was more akin to a priest than a homosexual.

And how many priests in recent times have been shown to be homosexuals?

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 05:41 AM
And how many priests in recent times have been shown to be homosexuals?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's funny, but true, not that I think Hitler was one.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 05:42 AM
Like I said, it provides strong circumstantial evidence.

Circumstantial evidence, eh? :rofl:

But do you have evidence of any heterosexual activity on his part. I mean, pictures and eyewitness accounts of him engaged in the act?

If not, then I would suggest you cannot assume the man was a heterosexual.

This is beyond absurd. Very few people allow others to watch or film them having sex. Perhaps you are a homosexual as I have never seen any clips of you engaging in heterosexual intercourse.



And how many priests in recent times have been shown to be homosexuals?

That has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 05:43 AM
I agree with you on that one. If you are a fag, its at least partially a conscious choice.

Generally, we do agree on this. I don't know so much about how "conscious" of a choice it is, but one of the defining characteristics of the human species is that sexuality is learned.

Of course, this is another topic.

todd
02-02-2007, 05:47 AM
Like I said, it provides strong circumstantial evidence.

But do you have evidence of any heterosexual activity on his part. I mean, pictures and eyewitness accounts of him engaged in the act?

If not, then I would suggest you cannot assume the man was a heterosexual.



And how many priests in recent times have been shown to be homosexuals?It would be odd for a gay man to have a mistress, wouldn't it?

Mike
02-02-2007, 05:48 AM
My apologies to the Phora for feeding the trolls.

It is known that Eva Braun was his mistress. Hitler was very private like most Germanics, and it's highly unlikely that he would have permitted "eyewitness accounts of him engaged in the act". It's ludicrous and trollish to demand this level of proof for Hitler's heterosexuality.

Since 99% of human beings are heterosexual, I can assume that a given human being is heterosexual in absence of countervailing evidence.

That's all for now.

Like I said, it provides strong circumstantial evidence.

But do you have evidence of any heterosexual activity on his part. I mean, pictures and eyewitness accounts of him engaged in the act?

If not, then I would suggest you cannot assume the man was a heterosexual.



And how many priests in recent times have been shown to be homosexuals?

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 05:48 AM
This is beyond absurd. Very few people allow others to watch or film them having sex. Perhaps you are a homosexual as I have never seen any clips of you engaging in heterosexual intercourse.

I agree. It is an absurd proposition. And that is the point I was making, as Mike questioned the evidence about Hitler’s homosexuality.

That has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

I didn’t bring it up. I was responding to Mike’s assertion that Hitler demonstrated characteristics of a priest, in regard to disinterest in sex. Yet many priests of today who had outwardly portray the same thing did in fact turn out to be gay.

todd
02-02-2007, 05:49 AM
but one of the defining characteristics of the human species is that sexuality is learned.I'm sure gender roles are learned as well.

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 05:50 AM
It would be odd for a gay man to have a mistress, wouldn't it?

Not for a man who needed very much to hide the fact he was gay.

I'm sure gender roles are learned as well.

Of course.

todd
02-02-2007, 05:54 AM
Not for a man who needed very much to hide the fact he was gay.Why would he be hiding his homosexuality by hiding the fact that he had a mistress? Do you know what a mistress is? It's supposed to be a secret.



Of course.Are you a troll or stuck in the 1960's?

wonder cow
02-02-2007, 06:00 AM
Why would he be hiding his homosexuality by hiding the fact that he had a mistress? Do you know what a mistress is? It's supposed to be a secret.

She was not a secret to the people who needed to know about her.

Are you a troll or stuck in the 1960's?

Are you saying that gender roles are not learned? What is your point?

Maybe we have a miscommunication on what you mean by "gender roles". Gender itself is more socialization even than sexuality. Sexuality and gender roles are two different ideas.

An Anthropolgy text (http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0939693488&id=b5_aClwL9_sC&pg=RA3-PA165&lpg=RA3-PA165&ots=X7nOW0p3Nv&dq=anthropology+human+sexuality+is+learned&sig=aiRCFPuHBT4fCR5qnKLoUrVO0wQ)

Page 165, 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence: "Finally, sexual behavior is learned in both chimps and humans".

todd
02-02-2007, 06:42 AM
She was not a secret to the people who needed to know about her.So he had a mistress because he wanted his inner-circle to think he was straight. How far into conjecture will you get before you stop to think?



Are you saying that gender roles are not learned? What is your point?

Maybe we have a miscommunication on what you mean by "gender roles". Gender itself is more socialization even than sexuality. Sexuality and gender roles are two different ideas.

An Anthropolgy text (http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0939693488&id=b5_aClwL9_sC&pg=RA3-PA165&lpg=RA3-PA165&ots=X7nOW0p3Nv&dq=anthropology+human+sexuality+is+learned&sig=aiRCFPuHBT4fCR5qnKLoUrVO0wQ)

Page 165, 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence: "Finally, sexual behavior is learned in both chimps and humans".Gender roles are in part shaped and guided by certain biological proclivities. Women act like women because they are women. Get it? Thank you for providing something from the realm of cultural anthropology. I will take it into account when I realize that cultural anthropology has any worth.

Ambrosio Spinola
02-02-2007, 09:11 AM
This thread is reaching cow manure levels even toxic for the lounge. Two more pages of this tabloid crap and it get the :lock:

Holly
02-02-2007, 11:18 AM
[QUOTE=wonder cow]She was not a secret to the people who needed to know about her.

Hitler had nothing to prove to his inner circle, idiot troll.
They were his diciples and would have walked off a mountain for him with one word to do it. It was the masses that he wanted to keep his love life private from, as a man of destiny too absorbed in guiding the fate of a great nation to engage in personal/ordinary pleasure, which for most part he very much was.

If you must repeat decades old jew slander at least try to get basic facts right sheesh.

Richard Parker
02-02-2007, 11:42 AM
Hey harjit, I think you just found the newest member for your forum here

Thanks Holly! :beerchug:

Bag him with a butterfly net, handcuff him, and bring him on over with a fireman's carry.

Edit: I don't suspect that Hitler was gay or Jewish, it is a non-issue either way.

Nyx
02-02-2007, 07:40 PM
Please, go on. :nopity:You are the one acting like a moron, Leifr. Why do you feel the need to defend Hitler?

Nyx
02-02-2007, 07:42 PM
It was a theory, but HIGHLY unlikely. The most logical candidate for Hitler's biological grandfather is Johannes Hiedler who was NOT a Jew.Whence all this emotionalism? Wonder Cow is asking a legitimate question.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 07:50 PM
You are the one acting like a moron, Leifr. Why do you feel the need to defend Hitler?

Because this thread is obviously a troll thread. Grow up and open your eyes!

Holly
02-02-2007, 07:51 PM
Fair question yes, look at the stlye, it is obvious he is trolling for reaktion and his only intent is to stir the pot and start flames though of course like any good troll he trys to balance this with posts that seem well reasoned and fair.
He started with the old homo thing then could not resist saying his mother was whoring with jews, what is next, Hitler wears pink ballarena spandex ?
You question some for defending Hitler, I question you for defending a troll idiot like "wonder cow" , whos very name is a troll.

Nyx
02-02-2007, 08:00 PM
Because this thread is obviously a troll thread. Grow up and open your eyes!If it's just a troll thread, why do you feel the need to respond so defensively, when the joke is merely at the expense of Hitler? It is not as though some esteemed and noble personage has been accused of homosexuality. If the accusation is false (as I think it is), then calmly refute it.

Nyx
02-02-2007, 08:04 PM
Fair question yes, look at the stlye, it is obvious he is trolling for reaktion and his only intent is to stir the pot and start flames though of course like any good troll he trys to balance this with posts that seem well reasoned and fair.
He started with the old homo thing then could not resist saying his mother was whoring with jews, what is next, Hitler wears pink ballarena spandex ?
You question some for defending Hitler, I question you for defending a troll idiot like "wonder cow" , whos very name is a troll.Why isn't anyone here complaining about the real troll? (Holly) No one is that stupid. I strongly suspect this is Raina.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 08:06 PM
Why isn't anyone here complaining about the real troll? (Holly) I don't believe she is a real person. No one is that stupid. I strongly suspect this is Raina.
Ever since the banning of Glenn Miller, I think the phora has gotten soft on his style of ideology to appear fair...but if you go too soft, that isn't good either.

People only complain about trolls who attack the sacred cows such as Hitler and Jewish culpability. You have to behave yourself if you take a dissenting position, but if you take the popular one, you don't.

Holly
02-02-2007, 08:09 PM
Why isn't anyone here complaining about the real troll? (Holly) I don't believe she is a real person. No one is that stupid. I strongly suspect this is Raina.

It is pretty obvious that "what you suspect" counts in your own little world and not much more, troll defender.

Nyx
02-02-2007, 08:11 PM
People only complain about trolls who attack the sacred cows such as Hitler and Jewish culpability. You have to behave yourself if you take a dissenting position, but if you take the popular one, you don't.I don't believe this is entirely the case. Hitlerites are by far a minority at the Phora. We just have a small number of Hitlerites who are eager to come to the defence of their leader whenever the opportunity arises. Such individuals have ruined what could have been an interesting thread.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 08:12 PM
If it's just a troll thread, why do you feel the need to respond so defensively, when the joke is merely at the expense of Hitler? It is not as though some respectable personage has been accused of homosexuality. If the accusation is false (as I think it is), then calmly refute him. Your emotionalism betrays you a Nazi sympathiser.

I AM a nazi sympathiser and I DO have a certain admiration for Adolf Hitler. Although I do not agree with everything the National Socialists did, I still admire many things about their leader.

Nyx
02-02-2007, 08:20 PM
Whatever happened to the intelligent Nazis of the Phora, who could actually defend their leader with a modicum of reason and logic?

Der Sozialist
02-02-2007, 08:21 PM
People only complain about trolls who attack the sacred cows such as Hitler and Jewish culpability.


No, this is not entirely true. Globus constantly flames other members and is allowed to do so.

You have to behave yourself if you take a dissenting position, but if you take the popular one, you don't.
You are just paranoid, God. I have for example, attacked notions that NAZIS never committed the Holocaust, NAZIS were victims of British and Russian aggression, Einstein was a plagiarizer, etc.

It becomes ridiculous though when spurious claims are presented and you are not allowed to state how ridiculous they are without being accused of being a Hitler-supporter by some philo-Semite.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 08:22 PM
I admit I am a paranoid person, just like Josef Stalin...

Nyx
02-02-2007, 08:23 PM
It becomes ridiculous though when spurious claims are presented and you are not allowed to state how ridiculous they are without being accused of being a Hitler-supporter by some philo-Semite.I also believe the accusations are false, but the manner in which certain individuals (you being excepted) have come to the defence of Hitler in this thread was rather over the top.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 08:25 PM
Whatever happened to the intelligent Nazis, like wintermute or NeoNietzsche, who could actually defend their leader with a modicum of reason and logic? They seem to have disappeared. But they always were a small and insignificant minority of the neo-Nazi "movement".

First off, I am NOT a nazi. Secondly, are you saying that I am unintelligent because I don't feel like wasting my time with troll threads?

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 08:26 PM
Der Socialist, I have many times stated here that I don't think Hitler is gay, but the difference is I'm not doing it with the same emotion or intensity level that others are.

I disagree with the original poster, and I move on. On the other hand, there seems to be people here who want more than that. People who want the thread locked, etc.

Keystone
02-02-2007, 08:47 PM
Of course Hitler was gay. Hitler was everything.

Look it up.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-02-2007, 08:49 PM
Why? If you don't like the thread, don't post it in.

Why do you feel you need to suppress dissent?

Der Sozialist
02-02-2007, 08:50 PM
Why? If you don't like the thread, don't post it in.

Why do you feel you need to suppress dissent?
I just remembered—the "Jesus was a homosexual" thread was locked. I doubt this thread will be locked.

Nyx
02-02-2007, 08:51 PM
First off, I am NOT a nazi."Whatever happened to the intelligent Nazis (or neo-Nazis, or Nazi sympathiers, or those who otherwise attach a positive evaluation to Hitler or Nazism and/or their influences on society at large), who could actually defend their leader (or person to whom they attach a positive evaluation) with a modicum of reason and logic?"

Secondly, are you saying that I am unintelligent because I don't feel like wasting my time with troll threads?If this is a troll thread, you have wasted a lot of time here.

Hrolf Kraki
02-02-2007, 09:48 PM
If this is a troll thread, you have wasted a lot of time here.

So have you. I discarded it until you brought me up again.

Nyx
02-02-2007, 09:54 PM
So have you.I have not wasted any time here.

Trojan
02-02-2007, 11:12 PM
No I don't think Hitler was a fag. Yes, I do think the Jews are going to drag his name threw the mud forever because he made a few of them do an actual honest day's work in one of his labor camps.

Celtic Patriot - is that you?? :rofl:

delete
02-02-2007, 11:25 PM
Gays most likely show statistical detectable common traits, and these will be identified in the future. From the way homosexuals walk, dress, behave, move their eyes, to the statistical differences in the words they use when they speak or write etc. patterns of differences will arise that can be compared to Hitler, Gobbels, Churchill, etc.

We have a lot of both Hitler's written stuff, and a lot of film and radio, so I think we will find out.

MrAngry
02-03-2007, 11:39 PM
No, but you're falling for them and perpetuating them.





There is none. He was MARRIED.


To a man called Barry!:rofl:

Keystone
02-03-2007, 11:50 PM
To a man called Barry!:rofl:
Barry Hitler...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"I'd like you to meet the Missus.."

:rofl: :rofl:

cerberus
02-06-2007, 12:28 PM
Not Jewish , not gay , didn't get VD from a Jewish prostitute , never visited Liverpool.

Ambrosio Spinola
02-06-2007, 12:36 PM
Not Jewish , not gay , didn't get VD from a Jewish prostitute , never visited Liverpool.

You must be some sort of Nazeee apologist right there to say that.