Black IQ the 3rd tactic

[MrAngry]

1. Physical bondage and suppression, ended by civil war by two political factions.

2. Legal rights once it was realised that all people should have equal rights according to the US Constitution.

So, what new tactic to keep blacks down, how to hide that discrimination and lack of opportunity still exists for a huge number of people?

IQ! Intelligence, thats the trick. Convince whites that they are somehow superior, I mean if you're white, why wouldn't this be in some way desirable. Then any aspiring black person can blame his/her lack of opportunity on their lack of ability and potential! Phew, it really isn't prejudice after all.

I wonder now that the Hispanics are taking over many of the inner city areas of America, and living in similar circumstances to the previous occupants can be shown to have low IQ's too? Of course they can! They're not European Hispanics, no no, they're Indian Mexicans, phew!

[Starr]

Can I ask why you are so willing to write off jewish conspiracy theories, while yet still so easily buying into the idea that there is a conspiracy among whites, that must stretch to all corners of the world(since blacks live in the same conditions and have the same sets of problems no matter where they are) to keep the black man down? Do you see any parallels in thinking in these two "ideologies?" why would you call the former nuts and the latter truth?

Also if you truly believe the black man faces so much discrimination when living among whites, would you then not come to the conclusion that it would be better for blacks if they didn't live around whites?

[Osmium14]

**sarcasm

Yeah, it's the invisible White man that is keeping negroes down in Africa. Africa is a shithole because of Whites. Even when the same Whites colonized many parts of the world, including the Americas and Asia, and they ended up doing fine today. Latin America and Asia have already recovered and surpassed Western nations in economy (China) and living standards (Singapore).

While Africa, over 40 years later, since the last White man left the continent, is in a state of destitution and crime-ridden death. And, yes, the White man is also responsible for the high AIDS epidemic in Africa, somehow there's a White man with a gun to a negro's head telling him to rape women. It's the same White man that forces negroes to murder their own people.

/end sarcasm

[LastResort56]

Lucky for us(racialists) views held by Mr. Angry are tantamount to your typical liberal, typical "minority studies" professor, and typical to the MSM. Let him spout out his silly gibberish on how the white man's keeping noble African-Americans down. It builds up the tension between the races.

Originally Posted by Starr
Can I ask why you are so willing to write off jewish conspiracy theories, while yet still so easily buying into the idea that there is a conspiracy among whites, that must stretch to all corners of the world(since blacks live in the same conditions and have the same sets of problems no matter where they are) to keep the black man down? Do you see any parallels in thinking in these two "ideologies?" why would you call the former nuts and the latter truth?

Exactly.

[HELLSTAR_trek]

Do you know of any schools that give high weight to IQ test results when it comes to admissions decisions? Do you know of any employers who give high weight to IQ test results when it comes to deciding who should be hired?

The IQ debate seems to be a debate about theoretical "root causes", not a debate about factors that, as a matter of policy, affect opportunity.

[ivory bill]

Is Mr Angry an angry Negro? Or is that obvious? I never saw the post where he said what his racial background is. Clearly he's not White, his IQ is too low. :rofl:

[Der Sozialist]

Is Mr Angry an angry Negro? Or is that obvious? I never saw the post where he said what his racial background is. Clearly he's not White, his IQ is too low. :rofl:
He is Chinese and Anglo-Indian I believe.

[Lieutenant William Bligh]

IQ! Intelligence, thats the trick. Convince whites that they are somehow superior, I mean if you're white, why wouldn't this be in some way desirable. Then any aspiring black person can blame his/her lack of opportunity on their lack of ability and potential! Phew, it really isn't prejudice after all.

I wonder now that the Hispanics are taking over many of the inner city areas of America, and living in similar circumstances to the previous occupants can be shown to have low IQ's too? Of course they can! They're not European Hispanics, no no, they're Indian Mexicans, phew!

Convince Whites that their "racism" is holding other people down.

That's the trick.

Convince Whites that they are uniquely capable of "racism," and are guilty for every failure of other ethnic groups.

That's the trick.

Then any Black person can blame his or her inability to succeed fairly on "racism" rather than on themselves and their own inability.

That's the trick.

How long do Whites need to live side by side with Blacks before accusations of "prejudice" become lame?

How long before "prejudice" becomes "postjudice?"

Phew!!!

[B-Pep]

I think it's not wise to compare the concept of a jew controlled ZOG to black theories of white oppression. While whites were the most magnificant people for many thousands of years, when there was no jewish tyranny, blacks never accomplished shit before or after whites arrived.

[Lieutenant William Bligh]

I think it's not wise to compare the concept of a jew controlled ZOG to black theories of white oppression. While whites were the most magnificant people for many thousands of years, when there was no jewish tyranny, blacks never accomplished shit before or after whites arrived.

You mean the way in which Jared Taylor likens the blame that has been placed on Jews to the blame which Blacks place on Whites, unjustly. Well, I think it is something to think about. Obviously the Jewish situation is way more complicated that the multicultural problem, as many Jews also suffer from the same mess.

http://www.vdare.com/girin/061031_race.htm

Why is it not wise? It would be unwise to not at least consider that Whites might be making the same mistake which Blacks make, though to a lesser degree. I'd just consider it; just in case. Obviously, though, there are plenty of people on the net who will "name the jew" none stop, and I do pay allot of attention to anyone who is adamant about these things.

[Starr]

The ideas about how whites are held back in our own societies by "them" And if not only for them everything would be perfect and how we have no control over our own decisions and behaviors(all of the current degenerate behaviors and race mixing in our society can be traced to "them", correct?)is very similar.

I recently posted a link to a thread in the shoutbox(for amusement purposes)where a poster from vnn was linking white drug use to the jews(something to the effect of the jews force drugs on us::negro: you really can't make this stuff up:rofl: )

Anyway my point wasn't really to make a comparison between the two ideas, but more just to ask why one of these ideas is automatically more believable to him than another. the only reason would be because "whitey is responsible" is socially acceptable and even encouraged. While the other is called "hate" by those same societal standards.

[ivory bill]

The ideas about how whites are held back in our own societies by "them" And if not only for them everything would be perfect and how we have no control over our own decisions and behaviors(all of the current degenerate behaviors and race mixing in our society can be traced to "them", correct?)is very similar.

I recently posted a link to a thread in the shoutbox(for amusement purposes)where a poster from vnn was linking white drug use to the jews(something to the effect of the jews force drugs on us::negro: you really can't make this stuff up:rofl: )

Anyway my point wasn't really to make a comparison between the two ideas, but more just to ask why one of these ideas is automatically more believable to him than another. the only reason would be because "whitey is responsible" is more socially acceptable. While the other is called "hate"

Do some research on the connection between Israelis (them) and the drug ecstasy. No need to make it up if it's true. Many sheckels being made there.

Would you admit to a connection between crack and Black?
Mr Angry probably wouldn't.

[Starr]

[QUOTE=ivory bill]Do some research on the connection between Israelis (them) and the drug ecstasy. No need to make it up if it's true. Many sheckels being made there.

I have read about it a bit. What you speak of is a reality. What is not, however is the idea of drugs being forced on anyone. Now the black man will also say the white man is responsible for bringing drugs into his community and the white man does this because he wants blackie to kill himself and/or to remain in a downtrodden state,etc.etc.

But drug use is a decision of the user, correct? Is the white man puting a gun to poor oppressed blackies head telling him to smoke up or else? Is the jew doing this? The drug trade like everything else is based on supply and demand. people do drugs because they like the feeling it gives them and it is not a new phenemenon. The demand will always be there and therefore so will there always be someone who is willing to supply and make a buck. To make money off of someone's addictive and out of control behaviors(the instant gratification of the "high" may explain why drug use is something that plagues the black community as it does) is not the most honorable thing in the world, certainly, but at the end of the day, no one is responsible for that person's behavior, but themselves.
This is drifting off topic now.

[ivory bill]

[QUOTE]

I have read about it a bit. Now the black man will also say the white man is responsible for bringing drugs into his community and the white man does this because he wants blackie to kill himself and/or to remain in a downtrodden state,etc.etc.

But drug use is a decision of the user, correct? Is the white man puting a gun to poor oppressed blackies head telling him to smoke up or else? Is the jew doing this? The drug trade like everything else is based on supply and demand. people do drugs because they like the feeling it gives them and it is not a new phenemenon. The demand will always be there and therefore so will there always be someone who is willing to supply and make a buck. To make money off of someone's addictive and out of control behaviors(the instant gratification of the "high" may explain why drug use is something that plagues the black community as it does) is not the most honorable thing in the world, certainly, but at the end of the day, no one is responsible for that person's behavior, but themselves.
This is drifting off topic now.

Yes, it's drifted from Mr Angry's obsession. A few last thoughts; does the public really "demand" trashy television fare? Or do those who own the means of communication provide it gratis and thus nurture the demand? Even if a segment of society "demands" addictive and destructive drugs does that mean the rest must suffer the results without complaint or redress? Same thing if a segment demand the bar be lowered on academic standards to accomodate them. Must we all dumb down so that Mr Angry and his pets won't feel left behind?

[Count Sudoku]

1. Physical bondage and suppression, ended by civil war by two political factions.

2. Legal rights once it was realised that all people should have equal rights according to the US Constitution.

So, what new tactic to keep blacks down, how to hide that discrimination and lack of opportunity still exists for a huge number of people?

IQ! Intelligence, thats the trick. Convince whites that they are somehow superior, I mean if you're white, why wouldn't this be in some way desirable. Then any aspiring black person can blame his/her lack of opportunity on their lack of ability and potential! Phew, it really isn't prejudice after all.

I wonder now that the Hispanics are taking over many of the inner city areas of America, and living in similar circumstances to the previous occupants can be shown to have low IQ's too? Of course they can! They're not European Hispanics, no no, they're Indian Mexicans, phew!

Who is actually holding black people down? If the government is doing anything it is lifting blacks up by pushing whites down. The government suppresses information about racial differences so while I graduated with a degree in psyc and still didn't know about it. Your argument makes no sense.

[Starr]

[QUOTE=ivory bill]
Yes, it's drifted from Mr Angry's obsession. A few last thoughts; does the public really "demand" trashy television fare? Or do those who own the means of communication provide it gratis and thus nurture the demand?

The demand is, unfortunately there. But yes the "supplier" does have to sell his product by making it attractive to people. But this is only going to work if the people already have existing tendencies that could draw them towards the product. The last part is what needs to be better understood(it will never be understood by just labeling these people as victims of something that was forced on them, through no fault of their own) and brought under control.

[FAF]

[QUOTE][QUOTE=ivory bill]

The demand is, unfortunately there. But yes the "supplier" does have to sell his product by making it attractive to people. But this is only going to work if the people already have existing tendencies that could draw them towards the product. The last part is what needs to be better understood(it will never be understood by just labeling these people as victims of something that was forced on them, through no fault of their own) and brought under control.


you my friend have just described multiculturalism!

[MrAngry]

Can I ask why you are so willing to write off jewish conspiracy theories, while yet still so easily buying into the idea that there is a conspiracy among whites, that must stretch to all corners of the world(since blacks live in the same conditions and have the same sets of problems no matter where they are) to keep the black man down? Do you see any parallels in thinking in these two "ideologies?" why would you call the former nuts and the latter truth?

Also if you truly believe the black man faces so much discrimination when living among whites, would you then not come to the conclusion that it would be better for blacks if they didn't live around whites?


The case for the Jewish conspiracy theory is too broad and far reaching. I cannot believe that the whole planet has been conned for so long by so few. There isnt any conclusive evidence for this, or, is there? :)

However, even by your own admission blacks suffer poor housing conditions, educational standards and poor career expectations.. Fact.

[Lieutenant William Bligh]

However, even by your own admission blacks suffer poor housing conditions, educational standards and poor career expectations.. Fact.

Where to lay the blame is what the controversy has to be then.

[Hachiko]

However, even by your own admission blacks suffer poor housing conditions, educational standards and poor career expectations.. Fact.
Blacks do not "suffer" these things Mr.Angry. They reap them, as they have long sown the seeds for them.

[Count Sudoku]

The case for the Jewish conspiracy theory is too broad and far reaching. I cannot believe that the whole planet has been conned for so long by so few. There isnt any conclusive evidence for this, or, is there? :)

However, even by your own admission blacks suffer poor housing conditions, educational standards and poor career expectations.. Fact.

http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2006/06/its-jews-stupid.html

It’s The Jews Stupid

By

Curt Maynard


I have long thought about writing this article but hesitated because I didn’t want the reader to conclude that I believed that all Jews are complicit in what amounts to a vast conspiracy to undermine western civilization and establish a Talmudic centered one world government. However, times have changed, and I feel obligated to write this and post it on the last bastion of freedom of speech, the Internet – before even that, in its present form is made unavailable to mankind.

Of course all Jews aren’t engaged in this nefarious plan, but unfortunately most of them will come to the aid of those who are. There are some exceptions, on occasion one will criticize another, but as a rule, those who are in a position to publicly denounce one of their own are still pro-Israel/pro-Zionist in orientation. A Jewish conservative talk show host named Michael Savage recently condemned George Soros, a multinational Jewish Supremacist, for engaging in the kind of activities that according to Savage led to the holocaust more than sixty years ago. In a sense Savage is right, Soros is exactly the kind of Jew that inspired Germans to wake up and democratically elect Adolf Hitler in 1933, the financial shenanigans Soros engages in today, are pretty much the same thing German Jews were engaged in prior to the Second World War. Unfortunately, Savage can’t be looked at as a role model for Jews either; he’s a hard core Zionist and an Israeli apologist, blindly towing the line for this little provocateur no matter what it does or whom it does it to

This little spat between Soros and Savage illustrates an important point and one I intend to thoroughly expand on in the next few pages. Savage is allegedly a “right wing” Jew and Soros is allegedly a leftist, both are Jewish, both have a voice, both have a platform, Savage’s is talk radio and Soros speaks through various organizations, like Moveon.com and whatever else his money and influence buys. You won’t hear any non-Jewish critics of Israel on the radio, television or on Moveon.com – they have no voice, no platform, not in the mainstream media anyway. The networks have gotten to the point where when Israel and/or Middle Eastern affairs are discussed; the experts and analysts are introduced, and they may as well be referred to as Jew #1, Jew #2 and Jew #3. I can’t tell you how sick it makes me when Fox News, the allegedly “fair and balanced,” network introduces Charles Krauthammer and William Crystal to their viewers as if either could possibly offer an unbiased opinion when it comes to Israel and/or organized Jewry, both are in every sense of the word Jewish Supremacists.

Jews are today so over represented, so disproportionately prevalent, in just about every facet of American life, despite composing a very small numerical percentage of our population that I no longer believe, as I once did, that most people aren’t aware of it. Sure there are a few, busily engaged in acquiring as much money as possible, or watching American Idol, or engrossed in video games and MTV, that they aren’t fully awake, but in my opinion, for the most part anyway, those that deny the reach and omnipresence of Jewish influence in America today are either ignorant, delusional and/or complicit.
One recent phenomenon that finally encouraged me to write, “It’s the Jews Stupid,” is this incredible short sighted and moronic tendency to compare George Bush to Adolph Hitler, or to bring up George’s grandfathers alleged relationship with the Nazi’s and to somehow suggest that this alleged relationship proves Bush is himself is a Nazi. This ridiculous theory is advanced by the same folks that suppress the abundance of evidence implicating the Israelis and a complicit and predominantly Jewish media in what happened in NYC and at the Pentagon on 9-11, people like Greg Szymanski, who by the way claims to live in a very small Idaho community known as Spirit Lake, but like his theories, this too is a lie, my mother lives in Spirit lake; and Szymanski doesn’t. Szymanski also loves to implicate a so called “Black Pope,” in every nefarious incident that has occurred over the last several decades; I can’t tell you who or exactly what this “Black Pope,” is, as I don’t bother to read Szymanski’s crap, he’s a moron and a crude propagandist, who would like to misdirect his readers attention to ludicrous ideas like Bush is a Nazi and/or a servant of this nebulous Black Pope. I have written Szymanski several times and pointed out to him that “it’s the Jews stupid,” but he refuses to respond to my missives, preferring instead to continue his pointless and misleading rants. I have since concluded that Szymanski isn’t just a fool, he’s a hired gun, and agent provocateur, granted, not a very good one, but one nevertheless.

So, some of you might ask, “well how exactly do you know Bush is not a Nazi.” For anyone with the shallowest understanding of history as it relates to the Second World War, this isn’t much of a surprise, sadly most Americans are more attuned to their feelings of self worth than they are history in general, so they may be more susceptible to believing concepts that are so erroneous that those with a rudimentary knowledge just disregard out of hand. Hitler sought to exclude Jews from German life, especially their representation in government, academics and the German media, which was composed of newspapers, news magazines and radio in those days – their was no television, at least not available to the public – so this wasn’t an issue. George Bush has appointed Jews to some of the most sensitive positions in the American government, Michael Chertoff is the Director of Homeland Security, a position that places him in a position to do pretty much as he likes with our National Security apparatus, Chertoff is an ethnic Jew and a dual citizen of the state of Israel. Hitler wouldn’t have considered appointing a Jew to such a post period – it wouldn’t have happened, primarily because the German people, the Nazi Party and Adolph Hitler were entirely cognizant of the fact that German Jewry had collectively done their best to destroy the German economy and German nation after the First World War. Does this mean that every German Jew participated in this treasonous pursuit, that every German Jew became wealthy at the expense of their non-Jewish German neighbors? Of course not, but like today in America, most Jews actively participated in covering up the crimes of their criminal co-religionists, which makes them complicit to a certain extent. One can see the same phenomenon at work today in America, anytime anyone mentions that Jews are disproportionately represented in the United States government, in the American media, in academics, in the medical profession, in banking, which in fact they are, they are met with a coordinated assault by an incredible number of Jews, most of whom aren’t guilty of committing any actual crimes, who seek to silence them with various labels, i.e. anti-Semite, bigot, racist, etc… One hears many excuses for this cohesive support, which only enables the criminals, fear of anti-Semitism, and/or fear of the next pogrom or holocaust. Unfortunately for collective Jewry, this excuse doesn’t wash – what they are doing, and what the Germans knew they were collectively doing in 1933, and what Americans are slowly becoming aware of now, is aiding and abetting their co-religionists to commit crimes that are tantamount to treason. In 1933 the German nation democratically elected a leader that promised them he wouldn’t allow this absolute and empirical reality to continue. George Bush on the other hand chose a Jew named Bernenke to replace another Jew named Alan Greenspan as the head of the Federal Reserve, a position that is without question perhaps one of the most powerful and influential positions in government today. In the words of Joseph Goebbels’ if Hitler were to have done something like that after the German people had suffered through a decade of hyperinflation, and the deprivation so associated, the German people would have “boxed their ears.”[1]

The fact is, George Bush is not a Nazi, he is not in the least sympathetic with Nationalism, let alone National Socialism; he is without a doubt the most Philo-Semitic President that has ever sat in the Oval Office period. Adolph Hitler sought to ostracize Jewish troublemakers; Bush seeks to make them his most influential foreign and domestic policy advisors. As Bush himself would say, “make no mistake,” our commander and chief is not critical of Israel and/or the disproportionate amount of influence Jews in the United States wield; he is their friend, their ally, and in the end, more concerned about their interests than he is in the interests of his own nation. There are those that would seek to convince you and I that Bush is a “Christian fundamentalist,” and it is for this reason that he supports Israel and Jews with such vigor, but this too is a chimera, Bush is an opportunist, not an ideologue, he has no loyalty to anything beyond himself and his own business interests.

Goebbels’ was somewhat of a prophet pariah, he understood organized Jewry like few Americans do today, he understood that their collective calls of anti-Semitism directed at the Nazi leadership and indeed the German people themselves was a technique they had successfully used, even perfected, in order to advance their interests while at the same time suppressing any dissent from the gentile majority. We see this same technique at work today, all around the world, anytime anyone honestly divulges the actions of a Jew in some crime; they are immediately smeared with the label of “anti-Semitism.” This is not a recent phenomenon, it has nothing to do with Zionism, as Noam Chomsky might suggest, it is an ageless technique developed by Jewry over an extended period of time, as evidenced by one entry Goebbels’ made in his diary during the Second World War, more than sixty years ago.

The Jews in England now demand laws to protect them from anti-Semitism. We know these tactics from our own past when we were struggling for power. I didn't help much. We were always able to find loopholes in the law. Besides anti-Semitism cannot be eradicated by law once it has taken root with the people. A law against hating Jews is usually the beginning of the end for the Jews[2]

Goebbels’ also noted in his diary an inevitability that will catch up with Jewry once again, an inevitability that has caught up with them in the past – one they cannot seem to escape entirely, and one that should motivate any sane Jew to seriously reconsider their relationship with the so called Jewish state of Israel and its blatant disregard for what the majority of the people in the world want, and that is to live free of the Jewish yoke, whether that yoke be of an economic nature, and/or one of a socio-political-cultural character. In the following entry Goebbels’ notes something that is becoming evident today – many Jews are becoming aware of the fact that non-Jews are beginning to scrutinize some uncomfortable facts that implicate Jews as being behind a great deal of the issues that most effect them – this is getting harder to cover up, people are beginning to notice that Jews are disproportionately represented in the areas of life that the non-Jewish majority is most concerned with, and that is the degeneracy of western culture, the degeneracy of American culture, the degradation of Christian values, the collapse of the American educational system and the rape of our economy. In their haste to cover up their involvement in these areas, Jews are exposing themselves as they never have before, and because of this Americans now know that Jews dominate Hollywood, the media in all its facets, our economy, our judicial process and in many respects our very government. Once again, this is nothing new, Jews had attempted the very same thing in Germany after the First World War and in France, and in Poland, and in Spain – in fact ethnic Jews have been tossed out of more countries, not for their faith as they today allege, but because of their collective behavior, than any other ethnic group in history. Despite what your history professor will tell you about their ejection from Spain under Ferdinand and Isabella, it had nothing to do with the fact that they weren’t Catholic and everything to do with their behavior – they intentionally enslaved the Spanish people under their usurious yolk, they absolutely, without any doubt whatsoever ushered in the Moorish invaders from Africa and as a result they unquestionably committed treason, and the Spanish people knew it. It is for these reasons and no others that the Jews were ejected from Spain and you can bet there wasn’t a moist eye to be found among the Spanish victims. Bearing this in mind, carefully consider the words of Joseph Goebbels’:

The Jews aren't always so clever as they would like themselves to believe. Whenever they are in danger they prove to be the stupidest devils.[3]

Goebbels’ was of course correct, contemporaneously and in a modern sense as well, organized Jewry has in fact become desperate, they exposed themselves completely on 9-11, and if the media were in other hands, their Fifth Column would long ago have been neutralized and the war on terror ended. If it were not for the fact that the entire media apparatus was kosher, Americans would know that 150 Israelis were arrested in the United States following 9-11 for espionage and then quietly deported without informing the American public by the Jew and dual Israeli citizen Michael Chertoff, who was at that time Assistant Attorney General under the flunky John Ashcroft. If it weren’t for the fact that the media is in a virtual and very Jewish stranglehold, Americans would know that five Israeli’s were arrested on 9-11 after they were witnessed filming the impacts of the airliners into the World Trade Centers while laughing, joking and clapping one another on the backs in a congratulatory manner. These Israeli Jews were also deported back to Israel without informing the American people that they had even been arrested, let alone what their behavior was purported to have been. If it weren’t for the complicit media and government, not to mention the corrupt judicial system, Americans would be familiar with the empirical fact that on January 2, 2004 an Israeli Jew named Asher Karni was arrested for having sold [past tense] more than sixty nuclear weapon detonators to Pakistan, the world’s most unstable Islamic Republic and a country in which “Osama,” as in Osama Bin Laden, is the most popular name for a male child. If the American media wasn’t under the direct control of Jews, the American people would know that an American Jew named Yehuda Abraham was arrested in 2003 for conspiring to sell Russian made surface to air missiles to undercover FBI agents posing as Al Qaeda operatives with the understanding that these missiles would be used on American civilian airliners in the continental United States.

The fact is, we don’t know whether the above named Jews are in fact Zionists, or even sympathetic with the Zionist cause, but we do know they are ethnic Jews and we know their names, identities, and actions are being hidden from the people of the United States, with the express intent of deceiving Americans into believing that Israel is their ally.

It’s the Jews stupid!

It doesn’t matter whether Jews appear to be leftists like Alan Dershowitz or Noam Chomsky, or whether they appear to be “right wingers,” like former leftist David Horowitz, or Michael Savage, or Norman Podheretz, William Krystal or Charles Krauthammer, they inevitably are intent on advancing what cannot be considered anything other than Jewish interests. Concepts like liberalism and conservatism are nothing more than angles to them to be manipulated and mastered for the advancement of Jewish interests as a collective whole. A perfect example of this incestuous predilection is how Jews on both the right and left look upon the criminal Oligarchs of Russia and their criminal acquisition of Russia’s entire infrastructure in the 1990s for pennies on the dollar. The Russian people led by their President, Vladimir Putin, have recently indicted several Jewish Oligarchs for this monumental theft, most of the indicted have escaped to refuse in Israel and/or Britain, nonetheless their assets in Russia have been appropriated, rightfully it might be added, and their ill acquired fortunes have suffered as a result. So what does organized Jewry do? They pull every string they can, they exert their unbelievable collective influence upon various members of Congress in an effort to get them to condemn the Russian government as anti-democratic, they compel President Bush to support the condemnations, they lobby anyone and everyone they can in an effort to enable these Jewish thieves to retain their stolen monies and property. You won’t see any articles written by Jews condemning the Oligarch’s for stealing billions from the Russian people, but you’ll see plenty of articles written by Jews condemning Putin and the Russian people for protesting the fact that they have been ripped off. We don’t really know if these Oligarch’s are Zionists and/or sympathetic to the Zionist cause. We do however know that they are ethnic Jews and that they quickly became Capitalists, despite having lived in a communist country for the majority of their lives, after the collapse of the USSR. Fortunately we know today that the Oligarch’s of Russia were financed by ethnic Jews in America, and that their primary apologists today are the very same American Jews – so once again, despite the smoke and mirrors of the all too predictable boogeyman of Zionism, “it’s the Jews stupid,” not their latest “ism.”

Lenard Lieberman,[4] Vice President of Clear Channel Communications, one of the largest if not the largest corporate owners of radio stations across the United States, launched a billboard advertisement campaign in California a year or so ago, which claimed that Los Angeles was in Mexico, not California. The reaction was predictable, millions of Americans reacted negatively to the billboards, immediately demanding that they be taken down, which predictably led to catcalls of racism, and then the media just as predictably brought forward all kinds of pro-Mexican radicals that claimed California was part of Mexico and those that disputed this claim were racists.

Hispanic front men for Lieberman and spokespeople for Clear Channel insisted that only “racists” wanted the signs taken down and stated against all opposition that the signs would remain up and for about a week they did. Initially the reactionary American population blamed Mexicans and Hispanics, it was only after an extensive Internet investigation that the facts came out - a Jewish vice president of Clear Channel named Lenard Lieberman was the brains behind the advertising campaign and had ordered the signs erected. Once this information was posted on the Internet, the signs immediately came down, overnight in fact. The media dropped the entire matter and not another word about the billboards has since been heard on American airwaves. Lieberman probably isn’t a “leftist” radical, considering that he’s the vice president of a large American Capitalist corporation, we don’t know whether or not he’s a Zionist, but we know he’s a Jew, and we can see by his surreptitious behavior that he was far more interested in fomenting division than he was in creating unity. The fact is, organized Jewry is the main impetus behind both legal and illegal immigration into western nations – those that dispute this absolute fact are once again, either, stupid, delusional, and/or complicit. Jews love to play all sides, as a matter a fact they are masters at it, by doing so they hope to control the agendas of any organizations that might one day challenge the established kosher order. Remember Cindy Sheehan? Ms. Sheehan is essentially a leftist who got it right when she sent a letter to a major news network stating that her son joined the Army to protect the United States of America, not Israel, her fame grew exponentially just preceding that letter and in it’s immediate aftermath – she showed up at Bush’s ranch in Texas demanding to see the traitor, all of the networks provided coverage, but someone got to Cindy and convinced her to retract her statement concerning Israel, and as a result she has been marginalized since. Sure the Jewish media throws her a bone every now and again, but she’ll never recover the momentum she had in the summer off 2005, she has since been relegated to speaking at “unity,” type churches, where the Jews can keep their eyes on her at all times.

The entire immigration fiasco in America today is completely dominated by ethnic Jews, they ensure that no restrictive legislation is made into law and when individuals like the Minutemen form into groups and become a little too popular they start cranking out the media propaganda and the all to common denunciations of bigotry, and/or they get their front men, people like George Bush, to accuse the Minutemen of vigilantism. Fortunately few Americans take that fool seriously any longer – they have basically pegged him for what he is, a damnable traitor. So how do the Jews accomplish all this? Consider the following:

The Jewish-Latino relationship is now viewed as an absolute priority for our [Jewish] community, said American Jewish Committee Washington, DC, area director David Bernstein. “We see them [Hispanics] as increasingly active politically and more and more willing to work with coalition partners in achieving our collective goals.” The phenomenon has been emerging in the last five to ten years. Groups such as the American Jewish Committee and the Jewish Community Council have been forming coalitions with organizations such as the National Council of La Raza and the League of United Latin American Citizens.[5]

No doubt organized Jewry would love to cultivate this relationship, it would be good for Jews albeit devastating for Hispanics. After nearly eighty years of exploitation, the black community has finally managed to semi-extricate itself from the parasitic grip of organized Jewry. If in fact this relationship between Hispanic and Jewish groups develops further there is no doubt whatsoever that the relatively harmonious relationship between Hispanics and whites enjoyed today will end and become just like the seething, resentful, and negative relationship between the American white and black communities. The black community has been so exploited by Jewry over the last eighty years that they may be beyond recovery as a viable group in the United States. This isn’t to say that Jews have just focused on African Americans, oh no, they have victimized and stigmatized every black man and woman, and they have done so by convincing these blacks that the Jew is their only ally and friend, they then turn around and use the black race as a scapegoat for Jewish crimes – just as they have successfully done post Katrina, when the heat was on the Israeli’s and the Jewish media in regards to the Iraq War, along came Hurricane Katrina, and the displacement of a group of blacks so degenerate and handicapped by being third and fourth generation welfare recipients, that no white person in their right mind would want them as neighbors, yet the Jews came out in force, doing their best to relocate these blacks in the most unlikely of white regions, i.e. Utah, that for months white America had its mind on little else other than the depravity and ignorance of many of these near savages from New Orleans and ways in which to keep them out of their neighborhoods. Result – few were focused on what Israel was doing in Palestine or what was happening in Iraq and Iran.

So how do the Jews exploit their relationship with minorities?

David Horowitz was once a fairly well known Jewish leftist in the 1960s and 1970s. He has since “converted,” to neo-conservatism, which isn’t that much of an ideological leap believe it or not, the neo-cons are really nothing more than left leaning Trotskyites with an alleged “right wing,” foreign policy outlook, which is just another way of saying they support the state of Israel even at the expense of their host country the United States of America. In any case, Horowitz wrote an autobiography a few years ago, in it he tried to explain to his former leftist oriented readers how he came to reject the socialism he once advocated and instead embraced the neo-con [read Jewish Supremacist] agenda. His autobiography is entitled Radical Son, it isn’t very good, but fortunately Horowitz admitted to a few things that make writing this paper much easier. Consider the following passage and then bear in mind that organized Jewry has denied in leading role in directing the agenda of radical black organizations.

Talking to Huey [Huey Newton – a well known black radical] as a kind of equal…. emboldened me to raise yet another difficult issue. A strain of anti-Semitism had developed in the Party [The Black panther party] during the years he [Newton] was in prison. Of course, the Panthers were not alone among black radicals in their attacks on Jews. In 1966, Stokely Carmichael and the leaders of the SNCC had expelled whites from the civil rights organization, accusing them of being a fifth column inside the movement. Since Jews were a near majority of the whites in these organizations, and had played a strategic role in organizing and funding the struggle, it was clear to everyone that they were the primary target of the assault. This was underscored by the support that Carmichael and the black left gave to the Arab states during their 1967 attack on Israel.[6]

“Unfortunately most people aren’t aware of the fact that Israel preemptively attacked the Arab states on June 5, 1967, not the other way around. This is what I would refer to as “kosher revisionism,” and it is quite common in the world today, as a matter a fact, it’s the norm. Historical revisionism has developed a bad name primarily because kosher revisionism rules the airwaves, radio and television; ethnic Jews have a near monopoly on the media in all its forms, and for that reason, lies like Horowitz’s go unnoticed by most people. Horowitz predictably sets up his “admission,” i.e. that Jews were disproportionately represented in the black civil rights movement by first prostrating himself in such a way as to fool the reader into believing that he, Horowitz, was only able to influence Newton, because Newton, the black man in the relationship, felt that Horowitz was an equal. Many people will laugh at the very idea that a Jew would consider any black to be an equal – as a rule, Jews loathe blacks more than they do whites, but they find that exploiting blacks is advantageous to the advancement of their agenda, and it is for this reason, and no other, that they associate with blacks.”[7]

Later in his autobiography, Horowitz again reinforces the above lie by reiterating it, but in a slightly different manner, but doing so with the same goal in mind, to convince his reader of a lie, i.e. that the Arabs attacked the Israelis in 1967 and to simultaneously smear Arab/Muslims in general:

I began to review events of the past to which I had paid little attention before, like the expulsion of the Jews from the civil rights movement in 1966. Jews had funded the movement, devised its legal strategies, and provided support for its efforts in the media and in the universities – and wherever else they had power. More than half the freedom riders who had gone to the southern states were Jews, although Jews constituted only 3% of the population. It was an unprecedented show of solidarity from one people to another. Jews had put their resources and lives on the line to support the black struggle for civil rights, and indeed two of their sons – Schwerner and Goodman – had been murdered for their efforts. But even while these tragic events were still fresh, the black leaders of the movement had unceremoniously expelled the Jews from their ranks. When Israel was attacked in 1967 by a coalition of Arab states calling for its annihilation, the same black leaders threw their support to the Arab aggressors, denouncing Zionism as racism.[8]

Once again, the Israeli’s preemptively attacked the Arabs on June 5, 1967, not the other way around, Horowitz isn’t confused, he knows this, but he is compelled to lie in order to fabricate history – a most common Jewish trait and one they have only been able to get away with because of their strategic stranglehold on the media and the publishing industry.

The fact is, Zionism is racist, it is inherently racist, far more so than anything of the old Jim Crow variety. Judaism itself is a racist religion, it’s obvious enough, the entire foundation of Judaism rests on the idea that Jews are a “chosen people,” and the term “people” connotes race and “chosen,” connotes exclusivity – put the two together and you inevitably get “racism.” A no-brainer really - but an idea that Jews have successfully kept hidden from the Goyim cattle.

The fact is, the Jews have exploited blacks going all the way back to the early 20th century, they founded, developed and financed the NAACP, a fact that history and political science professors are still too scared to admit openly, but a fact nonetheless.

At this point, let us get serious. Let us reject, at least momentarily, the knee-jerk reaction to dismiss what is written below based upon our emotional response to it. Let us consider carefully the facts, let us then consider what they might mean, and in the end, let us consider what the ultimate ramifications of these facts may be in our not too distant future. When I ask for instance, what group, more so than any other distinguishable group, was responsible for the Bolshevik Revolution, and I then answer that question by saying, “it’s the Jews stupid,” don’t reject it as an arbitrary response; it isn’t arbitrary, it’s an empirical fact, and one that can be easily proven if the reader chooses to cast aside his or her emotional response and to engage in a few hours of research.

What distinct group has been ejected from more counties over the last two millennia than any other group? It’s the Jews stupid.

What distinct group has led more radical subversive movements within their host nations than any other distinguishable group? It’s the Jews stupid.

What group has consistently avoided military service, especially in the front lines, than any other group? It’s the Jews stupid.[9]

What group more so than any other has always had its patriotism questioned? It’s the Jews stupid.

What specific ethnic/religious group more so than any other has consistently sought to ensnare and then exploit native populations under the yolk of usury?

What ethnic/religious group dominates international finance? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates the media in Europe and North America? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates Hollywood? It’s the Jews stupid.[10]

What ethnic group has done more to subvert true scientific inquiry in the sciences than any other – imbedding themselves in the disciplines of psychology, sociology and anthropology – and doing so in such a way as to hijack them and completely and totally politicize them? It’s the Jews stupid.[11]

What ethnic group gave us “multiculturalism,” and followed that up with an indoctrination program that reinforced this divisive farce by reaching right into our job place, homes and schools via compulsory “diversity” and “tolerance,” training programs and presentations? It’s the Jews stupid.[12]

Who brought us “Judeo-Christianity,” a concept that erroneously amalgamates two distinctly different and diametrically opposed religious and cultural views? It’s the Jews stupid.[13]

What ethnic group has done more than any other to identify itself as the only real victims of Nazi Germany and the Second World War? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group has perpetrated one of the greatest frauds on mankind in the form of the so-called “holocaust?” It’s the Jews stupid! [This is an important point – please see associated footnote][14]

What ethnic group dominates the Russian mafia? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates the pornography industry? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group is more responsible than any other for the ongoing sex slave trade? It’s the Jews stupid.

Members of what ethnic group intentionally attacked an American ship in 1967 named the USS Liberty, in what amounted to an act of war against the United States of America and then used their co-ethnics in the United States to cover that fact up? It’s the Jews stupid.

Members of what ethnic group sought to bomb American assets in Cairo Egypt in the 1950s and blame it on the Arabs in an attempt to frame them and convince Americans to financially and militarily support the Zionist state? It’s the Jews stupid.[15]

What group more than any other has sought to undermine Christian values and western civilization in an effort to divide and conquer? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group was overly represented in the junk bond scandals of the 1980s? It’s the Jews stupid.[16]

Members of what ethnic group were deeply involved in the Enron scandal but were able to utilize the Jewish medias influence and access to the American mind in such a way as to nearly eliminate their role? It’s the Jews stupid.[17]

This list could go on and on, it would require a tomb the size of Moby Dick to encompass the many crimes ethnic Jews have committed against Gentiles just in the last decade. The point of writing this isn’t to convince readers that every Jew is deeply entwined in a plot to subvert Gentile society, but that Judaism is not a peaceful religion that seeks to coexist in harmony with non-Jews, the fact is Judaism is first and foremost a “supremacist” religion that advocates the dominance of non-Jews.

Unless Gentiles become aware of the fact that Zionism is nothing but Judaism’s latest “ism,” preceded in the past by many others, i.e. feminism, socialism, communism, and that these “ism’s” are nothing more than tactics used in a grand strategy to weaken our will and western civilization itself, we’ll never get to the heart of the problem at hand, we’ll continue to fight wars for the Jews, to kill for the Jews, to arrest and incarcerate people for the Jews, to suppress the right to free expression for the Jews, etc… etc… ad infinitum. The time to liberate ourselves is now.

[Ixtab]

1. Physical bondage and suppression, ended by civil war by two political factions.
!I am interested in race differences in intelligence solely for the sake of enquiry. Is intellectual curiosity an incomprehensible motive to egalitarians?

It’s The Jews StupidThis is spam. A link would have sufficed.

[Count Sudoku]

I am interested in race differences in intelligence solely for the sake of enquiry. Is intellectual curiosity an incomprehensible motive to radical egalitarians such as yourself?

This is spam. A link would have sufficed.

What distinct group has been ejected from more counties over the last two millennia than any other group? It’s the Jews stupid.

What distinct group has led more radical subversive movements within their host nations than any other distinguishable group? It’s the Jews stupid.

What group has consistently avoided military service, especially in the front lines, than any other group? It’s the Jews stupid.[9]

What group more so than any other has always had its patriotism questioned? It’s the Jews stupid.

What specific ethnic/religious group more so than any other has consistently sought to ensnare and then exploit native populations under the yolk of usury?

What ethnic/religious group dominates international finance? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates the media in Europe and North America? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates Hollywood? It’s the Jews stupid.[10]

What ethnic group has done more to subvert true scientific inquiry in the sciences than any other – imbedding themselves in the disciplines of psychology, sociology and anthropology – and doing so in such a way as to hijack them and completely and totally politicize them? It’s the Jews stupid.[11]

What ethnic group gave us “multiculturalism,” and followed that up with an indoctrination program that reinforced this divisive farce by reaching right into our job place, homes and schools via compulsory “diversity” and “tolerance,” training programs and presentations? It’s the Jews stupid.[12]

Who brought us “Judeo-Christianity,” a concept that erroneously amalgamates two distinctly different and diametrically opposed religious and cultural views? It’s the Jews stupid.[13]

What ethnic group has done more than any other to identify itself as the only real victims of Nazi Germany and the Second World War? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group has perpetrated one of the greatest frauds on mankind in the form of the so-called “holocaust?” It’s the Jews stupid! [This is an important point – please see associated footnote][14]

What ethnic group dominates the Russian mafia? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates the pornography industry? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group is more responsible than any other for the ongoing sex slave trade? It’s the Jews stupid.

Members of what ethnic group intentionally attacked an American ship in 1967 named the USS Liberty, in what amounted to an act of war against the United States of America and then used their co-ethnics in the United States to cover that fact up? It’s the Jews stupid.

Members of what ethnic group sought to bomb American assets in Cairo Egypt in the 1950s and blame it on the Arabs in an attempt to frame them and convince Americans to financially and militarily support the Zionist state? It’s the Jews stupid.[15]

What group more than any other has sought to undermine Christian values and western civilization in an effort to divide and conquer? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group was overly represented in the junk bond scandals of the 1980s? It’s the Jews stupid.[16]

Members of what ethnic group were deeply involved in the Enron scandal but were able to utilize the Jewish medias influence and access to the American mind in such a way as to nearly eliminate their role? It’s the Jews stupid.[17]

This list could go on and on, it would require a tomb the size of Moby Dick to encompass the many crimes ethnic Jews have committed against Gentiles just in the last decade. The point of writing this isn’t to convince readers that every Jew is deeply entwined in a plot to subvert Gentile society, but that Judaism is not a peaceful religion that seeks to coexist in harmony with non-Jews, the fact is Judaism is first and foremost a “supremacist” religion that advocates the dominance of non-Jews.

Unless Gentiles become aware of the fact that Zionism is nothing but Judaism’s latest “ism,” preceded in the past by many others, i.e. feminism, socialism, communism, and that these “ism’s” are nothing more than tactics used in a grand strategy to weaken our will and western civilization itself, we’ll never get to the heart of the problem at hand, we’ll continue to fight wars for the Jews, to kill for the Jews, to arrest and incarcerate people for the Jews, to suppress the right to free expression for the Jews, etc… etc… ad infinitum. The time to liberate ourselves is now.

Better?

[todd]

1. Physical bondage and suppression, ended by civil war by two political factions.

2. Legal rights once it was realised that all people should have equal rights according to the US Constitution.

So, what new tactic to keep blacks down, how to hide that discrimination and lack of opportunity still exists for a huge number of people?

IQ! Intelligence, thats the trick. Convince whites that they are somehow superior, I mean if you're white, why wouldn't this be in some way desirable. Then any aspiring black person can blame his/her lack of opportunity on their lack of ability and potential! Phew, it really isn't prejudice after all.

I wonder now that the Hispanics are taking over many of the inner city areas of America, and living in similar circumstances to the previous occupants can be shown to have low IQ's too? Of course they can! They're not European Hispanics, no no, they're Indian Mexicans, phew!I always knew you were stupid but I atleast thought you were somewhat reasonable. Apparently you are not.

[Count Sudoku]

I always knew you were stupid but I at least thought you were somewhat reasonable. Apparently you are not.

This is probably one of the most stupid things he has ever written. If the government and white people do anything it's lift them up at the expense of whites and the government and media do their best to suppress info on the racial IQ gap not use it as an excuse for black underachievement. How well would blacks do on their own without whitey to hold them down? Look at Haiti and New Orleans to find out. Keep up the good work on MootSF! I am considering joining so I can take the fight directly to those fools on their own turf. You should post the story about the Long Beach reverse hate crime sentencing bullshit. Even the commies on DU found it unanimously unacceptable.

[MrAngry]

I always knew you were stupid but I atleast thought you were somewhat reasonable. Apparently you are not.


Sorry to dissapoint but the day I seek validation from a racist is the day when I become a slave. Ain't gonna happen.

[MrAngry]

This is probably one of the most stupid things he has ever written. If the government and white people do anything it's lift them up at the expense of whites and the government and media do their best to suppress info on the racial IQ gap not use it as an excuse for black underachievement. How well would blacks do on their own without whitey to hold them down? Look at Haiti and New Orleans to find out. Keep up the good work on MootSF! I am considering joining so I can take the fight directly to those fools on their own turf. You should post the story about the Long Beach reverse hate crime sentencing bullshit. Even the commies on DU found it unanimously unacceptable.


I haven't suggested that this is a conspiracy, I will admit that it was sweeping and broad brush, never the less from what I read on here it has relevance. IQ and genetics are the new "evidence" being puported by people like yourself. You see an opportunity, no matter how tenuous and cling to it like a racist raft in a sea of liberalism.

If anything it shows your stupidity in not trying to analyse why poverty and poor environment play such a huge part in crime no matter what race has to endure it.

You're British, reseach Wythenshaw Manchester, hardly a black in the area, and its still a shit hole, crime is rife, drugs are a huge problem, people do not work, they are almost unemployable, we call them chavs. How does this fit in with a genetic predisposition for violence and low IQ?

You keep kidding yourself,

[MrAngry]

[QUOTE=Neo-Galtonian]I am interested in race differences in intelligence solely for the sake of enquiry. Is intellectual curiosity an incomprehensible motive to egalitarians? [QUOTE]


To enquire, research and debate is great, thats how progress is made.

[todd]

[QUOTE=Neo-Galtonian]I am interested in race differences in intelligence solely for the sake of enquiry. Is intellectual curiosity an incomprehensible motive to egalitarians? [QUOTE]


To enquire, research and debate is great, thats how progress is made.Then why are you calling the enquiry, research and debate some type of conspiracy to keep down minorities?

[MrAngry]

Then why are you calling the enquiry, research and debate some type of conspiracy to keep down minorities?


Review your choice of words. I stated that the 3rd tactic of racism was using intelligence and IQ as a reason for minority inferiority. Have a look through the Phora for examples, there are many.

[Starr]

Review your choice of words. I stated that the 3rd tactic of racism was using intelligence and IQ as a reason for minority inferiority. Have a look through the Phora for examples, there are many.


The lower average IQ of blacks is simply one of the facts on racial differences that we will point out. If this was simply about wanting to point out "minority inferiority" in regard to intelligence, you wouldn't also see people showing the statistics and talking about how some groups, asians and jews, for example, have a higher average IQ.

Blacks having a lower IQ is simply true. Is it a bad thing to discuss things that are true just because these truths don't conform with the standards of the day? I will use your own line here and say to be able to discuss certain truths even if they are uncomfortable truths is how progress is made.(this, obviously can apply to many topics, not just ones that deal with race. What if people, many years ago, refused to debate and openly talk about how the earth was not flat and how the sun did not revolve around the earth simply because these things made certain people uncomfortable?)

[MrAngry]

The lower average IQ of blacks is simply one of the facts on racial differences that we will point out. If this was simply about wanting to point out "minority inferiority" in regard to intelligence, you wouldn't also see people showing the statistics and talking about how some groups, asians and jews, for example, have a higher average IQ.

Why is it then that Jews and Asians don't seem to extoll the virtues of their superior IQ? And hy do WN seem to use it to show the inferiority of a race? And there is much to refute regarding IQ as a measure of intelligence.


Blacks having a lower IQ is simply true.

In your opinion, any race that live in poverty will suffer the same consequences.


Is it a bad thing to discuss things that are true just because these truths don't conform with the standards of the day? I will use your own line here and say to be able to discuss certain truths even if they are uncomfortable truths is how progress is made.(this, obviously can apply to many topics, not just ones that deal with race. What if people, many years ago, refused to debate and openly talk about how the earth was not flat and how the sun did not revolve around the earth simply because these things made certain people uncomfortable?)

This is my point exactly, to use this type of research to underpin the whole of your belief structure is deluding yourself to reality.

[Starr]

In your opinion, any race that live in poverty will suffer the same consequences.

There is a connection between poverty and IQ. but it is not the poverty that causes the low IQ, it is the low IQ that causes the poverty. Blacks disproportionately live in poverty the world over. Africa, Haiti, black communities within white western countries. It is always the same thing. And it cannot be blamed on racist conspiracies to keep them down or any of the other pet theories of the day. It is too consistant to be so easily written off in this way.

[MrAngry]

There is a connection between poverty and IQ. but it is not the poverty that causes the low IQ, it is the low IQ that causes the poverty. Blacks disproportionately live in poverty the world over. Africa, Haiti, black communities within white western countries. It is always the same thing.


Is it simply just IQ? I think if you opened your mind then you'd see that the hangover from colonialism and 3rd world debt have more of a bearing on these nations.

[todd]

Review your choice of words. I stated that the 3rd tactic of racism was using intelligence and IQ as a reason for minority inferiority. Have a look through the Phora for examples, there are many.Aren't you under the impression that the research done on the subject is all crap?

[MrAngry]

Aren't you under the impression that the research done on the subject is all crap?


Absolutely, thats why Jews and Asians dont bang on about it

[Starr]

Absolutely, thats why Jews and Asians dont bang on about it


http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18795

[Winston]

Absolutely, thats why Jews and Asians dont bang on about it

I really think that you have trouble accepting things - anything - which you don't first want to be true. The research on racial differences in intelligence couldn't be more solid. Are you really trying to tell us that in your experience you haven't noticed these differences between different races? Such self-deception is unimaginable to me.

[MrAngry]

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18795


Oh c'mon Starr, a link to a Phora thread, hardly conclusive. :)

If anything, if I accept IQ as a measure, and I dont, then....


http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-15point.htm

[MrAngry]

I really think that you have trouble accepting things - anything - which you don't first want to be true. The research on racial differences in intelligence couldn't be more solid. Are you really trying to tell us that in your experience you haven't noticed these differences between different races? Such self-deception is unimaginable to me.


http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-15point.htm

I believe it to be non racial and everything to do with environment and poverty. I see what I see and what is real are the tangible differences in opportunity and expectation.

[todd]

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-15point.htmFor Christ's Sake, I could write a rather thick book with the errors and misrepresentation on this website. It isn't any better than a Phora thread, since according to the webmaster it is a site for "liberal arguments" or whatever.

[MrAngry]

For Christ's Sake, I could write a rather thick book with the errors and misrepresentation on this website. It isn't any better than a Phora thread, since according to the webmaster it is a site for "liberal arguments" or whatever.


Now you are becoming trite and boring, oh Todd the expert. Anyone can poopoo the others sides links to research data etc, the acid test is the reality that we see. Simple as that,

[todd]

Now you are becoming trite and boring, oh Todd the expert. Anyone can poopoo the others sides links to research data etc, the acid test is the reality that we see. Simple as that,It is carefully selected data put together by an amateur to make a one-sided argument.

[Winston]

Oh c'mon Starr, a link to a Phora thread, hardly conclusive. :)

If anything, if I accept IQ as a measure, and I dont, then....


http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-15point.htm

So basically, if you accepted IQ, you'd jump on that piece of information because you like what it's saying. What on earth makes you think that nature would feel the need to equal up the IQs? What a vain hope that is.

Absolutely, thats why Jews and Asians dont bang on about it

What was this supposed to mean? I am often left aghast at your terrible interpretation of the world around you. Jews and Asians don't bang on about it? Do whites 'bang on' about it? Most people don't give a moments thought to their IQ or the average IQ of their race. Of the handful of Jews who post here, I am pretty sure that they all believe in the validity of IQ.

[Winston]

Now you are becoming trite and boring, oh Todd the expert. Anyone can poopoo the others sides links to research data etc, the acid test is the reality that we see. Simple as that,

And the reality that we see supports our views on racial differences and renders your wishful thinking complete fantasy.

[Starr]

Most people don't give a moments thought to their IQ or the average IQ of their race. Of the handful of Jews who post here, I am pretty sure that they all believe in the validity of IQ.


Yes, Mr. Angry, this was my main point in linking to that thread.

[MrAngry]

So basically, if you accepted IQ, you'd jump on that piece of information because you like what it's saying. What on earth makes you think that nature would feel the need to equal up the IQs? What a vain hope that is.


I used it as an example please dont mis quote me. I stated that I held it in no regard but merely to point out that by using a racists favorite, ie the bell curve, their own data can be challenged. The vain hope is that racists try to establish a link with IQ and race, put more bluntly, a load of bollocks.


What was this supposed to mean? I am often left aghast at your terrible interpretation of the world around you. Jews and Asians don't bang on about it? Do whites 'bang on' about it? Most people don't give a moments thought to their IQ or the average IQ of their race. Of the handful of Jews who post here, I am pretty sure that they all believe in the validity of IQ.

You must live in a world like a complete bag of shite, I dont give a flying F**k about IQ generally. Look around the Phora for the types who generally support the crap, racists I think you'll find, why? Ask yourself, self interest and a scrap to hold onto to show what exactly? Superiority? pfft puhleeeze!

A handful of jews do not represent the whole race, my wife is Jewish, her family are Jewish, many of her friends are Jewish, I think I can speak with some certainty that IQ doesnt occupy their thoughts. I have chinese relatives, I have Indian relatives I have English relatives, and all the ancestry that goes with it, does that make me brain of Britain? I wish......

Racists bank on about it, dont railroad me into the white debate, this is about racists. simple

[Starr]

I am not really understanding your point. Just because it is not something that preoccupies people's thoughts and also because there are a lot of people that might not believe that IQ differences exist among certain groups does not make the research and facts less valid.

A handful of jews do not represent the whole race, my wife is Jewish, her family are Jewish, many of her friends are Jewish, I think I can speak with some certainty that IQ doesnt occupy their thoughts. I have chinese relatives, I have Indian relatives I have English relatives, and all the ancestry that goes with it, does that make me brain of Britain? I wish......

And I am expecting that all of these people, no matter what their race, grew up in the same society being fed the same liberal, egalitarian "values", so it is not unexpected, that they adopted certain views.

[Count Sudoku]

I haven't suggested that this is a conspiracy, I will admit that it was sweeping and broad brush, never the less from what I read on here it has relevance. IQ and genetics are the new "evidence" being puported by people like yourself. You see an opportunity, no matter how tenuous and cling to it like a racist raft in a sea of liberalism.

So, what new tactic to keep blacks down, how to hide that discrimination and lack of opportunity still exists for a huge number of people?

IQ! Intelligence, thats the trick. Convince whites that they are somehow superior, I mean if you're white, why wouldn't this be in some way desirable. Then any aspiring black person can blame his/her lack of opportunity on their lack of ability and potential! Phew, it really isn't prejudice after all

Sounds like a WN conspiracy to "convince" whites that black failure is the fault of blacks and not whites and that IQ is the reason.

If anything it shows your stupidity in not trying to analyse why poverty and poor environment play such a huge part in crime no matter what race has to endure it.

You're British, reseach Wythenshaw Manchester, hardly a black in the area, and its still a shit hole, crime is rife, drugs are a huge problem, people do not work, they are almost unemployable, we call them chavs. How does this fit in with a genetic predisposition for violence and low IQ?

You keep kidding yourself,

I know exactly what causes crime and poverty. Bad genetics and/or bad environment. I never said all whites are perfect which is why I'm all in favor of eugenics to weed out the riff raff and increase the percentage of quality and exceptional people. As for environment, those fucking liberal wankers in the UK with their bleeding heart approach to crime and their fucking socialist welfare policies are creating dysgenic nightmare that makes the UK look more and more like the society in A Clockwork Orange everyday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6058374.stm

Your reports

Tufnell Park

i have been in this area twice, both times i have been confronted by the large group of youths hoody's the second time i was attacked taken in to the block of flats beaten and robbed. a very dangerous area and should be avoided.

Mitcham

My family and I have been living in Mitcham for over 25. It has always been known as a troubled area, but certainly not as bad as it has become in the last five years. The street where we live has become a mass meeting area for bored youths whose parents are never to be seen to enforce any sort of curfew on their offspring. These youths stay out until all hours screaming and shouting amongst themselves or at passers by and generally causing a nuisance with footballs, bits of wood, stones, etc. The latest addition to this is bricks since they have somehow managed to take down my neighbour's brick wall without much notice from anyone. It wouldn't be much of an issue if the behaviour wasn't so anti -social or if they decided go and do whatever it is they do at the local park. But they don't go near the park as it is filled with drug users as well as often being the scene of a crime where guns and knives are involved. The local authority choose to ignore my concerns but they do however write to me with asking me how I feel about the introduction of wheelie bins or my view on the recent influx of eastern european migrants. The police tell me that they really have very little power in resolving the issues down my street, but I should report all incidences when they happen. I find, however, that everytime I pick up the phone, I am on hold for 45 minutes and by then the nuisance would have disappeared.

Mitcham is a small town and historically, nothing really happens here, but within the last year there has already been two cases of murder that I know of. One of the victims happened to be someone I knew and grew up with and it is because of this that I no longer feel safe walking through Mitcham. I don't even feel comfortable walking down or my own street for the fear of abuse both physical or verbal. I find this really sad as I grew up in this town. This change is not just happening here, it's happening everywhere in Britain. The government needs to place this somewhere near the top of their agenda as this problem is not going to go away.

etc, etc, etc....

[Count Sudoku]

Absolutely, thats why Jews and Asians dont bang on about it

I'm not sure what you mean by "bang" on about it. First the Asians are irrelevant as there aren't that many in America and they are smart enough not to allow large numbers of blacks (or anyone else) into their countries.

As for the Jews, they've been practicing eugenics for thousands of years which is why their fucking IQs are so damn high while at the same time criticizing anyone else that practices eugenics (they want a monopoly on this). They also want their own ethnostate (Israel) while encouraging the white goyim to commit racial and cultural suicide by importing a flood of minorities and encouraging white women to fuck them or practice Jewish created feminism and not have kids at all.

They publicly downplay IQ and racial issues so the white goyim will buy this shit, resist the invasion of their countries less and eventually disappear all the while being the biggest racists on the planet.

[///M power]

I'm not sure what you mean by "bang" on about it. First the Asians are irrelevant as there aren't that many in America and they are smart enough not to allow large numbers of blacks (or anyone else) into their countries.

As for the Jews, they've been practicing eugenics for thousands of years which is why their fucking IQs are so damn high while at the same time criticizing anyone else that practices eugenics (they want a monopoly on this). They also want their own ethnostate (Israel) while encouraging the white goyim to commit racial and cultural suicide by importing a flood of minorities and encouraging white women to fuck them or practice Jewish created feminism and not have kids at all.

They publicly downplay IQ and racial issues so the white goyim will buy this shit, resist the invasion of their countries less and eventually disappear all the while being the biggest racists on the planet.


Jews care about race,yes. but not for eugenic purposes in order to have high IQ,thats ridicules..it may be some side effect that we can argue about,but it isn't the reason for our self identity awareness.
Jews didn't invent feminism by the way. and if you knew anything about Judaism you would know that the woman is inferior to the male,its says so in the bible. and Jewish Sephardi females,as well as Ashkenazim which are traditional,imnot even talking aboutreligious, they know their place.
it is white-liberal-Western ideas which corrupted the world. try reading about liberalism and democracy,also feminism, and see for your self who invented them. it doesn't matter if some Jewish groups support them, they didn't invent them,whites did,and the majority of whites support them.
those ideas are corrupting my country also,and it isn't like it used be. but I don't blame whites for those stupid ideas,I blame my people in my country for imitating what they see in the west.

[Starr]

and if you knew anything about Judaism you would know that the woman is inferior to the male,its says so in the bible

Inferior in some ways, such as physical strength? yes. Inferior all together? no. This seemed to spill over into Christian doctrine too which is no surprise. i could see how ideas like that could be a root cause of feminism. The rejection of feminist ideas is absolutely not going to happen by looking at this as a case of superior male vs inferior female, that feeds into and gives mass appeal to feminist ideas and creates a division between males and females. What can and should be understood is that differences between males and females exist and has an impact on their different strenghths and abilities and place in society.

[Osmium14]

In The Bell Curve, Herrnstein and Murray report average IQ scores for:

Ashkenazi Jews = 115
East Asians = 106
Whites = 103
SouthEast Asians = 90-99
Native Americans (Amerindians) = 89
Mestizos/Hispanics = 89
American Blacks = 80
pure Africans = 70

[Count Sudoku]

Jews care about race,yes. but not for eugenic purposes in order to have high IQ,thats ridicules..it may be some side effect that we can argue about,but it isn't the reason for our self identity awareness.

First I don't believe that every Jew in the World is in on some massive conspiracy.

Jews didn't invent feminism by the way. and if you knew anything about Judaism you would know that the woman is inferior to the male,its says so in the bible. and Jewish Sephardi females,as well as Ashkenazim which are traditional,imnot even talking aboutreligious, they know their place.

AFAIK the major figures at the start of feminism were Jewish. If you can prove otherwise let me know. As for your religion, AFAIK most Jews are athiests or non-practcing at best.

it is white-liberal-Western ideas which corrupted the world. try reading about liberalism and democracy,also feminism, and see for your self who invented them. it doesn't matter if some Jewish groups support them, they didn't invent them,whites did,and the majority of whites support them.

It's a funny thing that everytime I read about the leadership of liberal groups I always see Jewish names way overrepresented.

those ideas are corrupting my country also,and it isn't like it used be. but I don't blame whites for those stupid ideas,I blame my people in my country for imitating what they see in the west.

Most Jews are flaming liberals. I thought that they all knew it was a bunch of bullshit that they hope whites will adopt to commit suicide but apparently they practice the same crap in Israel. That's why I don't believe that all Jews are "in on it" and that most will be considered expendable at some point.

[Count Sudoku]

In The Bell Curve, Herrnstein and Murray report average IQ scores for:

Ashkenazi Jews = 115
East Asians = 106
Whites = 103
SouthEast Asians = 90-99
Native Americans (Amerindians) = 89
Mestizos/Hispanics = 89
American Blacks = 80
pure Africans = 70

It's even worse than you think. Jews have a 115 average IQ but only because they score 100 on the spatial aspect and 130! on verbal ability which is one reason why they are so damn successful in some fields.

[Starr]

AFAIK the major figures at the start of feminism were Jewish. If you can prove otherwise let me know. As for your religion, AFAIK most Jews are athiests or non-practcing at best.

I don't believe the jewish influence was all that strong in the beginning of the feminist movements. It seemed to be more strong when feminist ideas went from somewhat reasonable(equal pay for equal work, voting rights,etc) to the more insane(the sort of man hating and abortion rights crap)That is how I have understood it anyway.

[Count Sudoku]

Gloria Steinham, Betty Friedman, Susan Sontag, Naomi Wolfe. What do these 4 have in common...hmmmm.

[Count Sudoku]

That is why many people are interested in race differences in intelligence.

Because it's another great reason not to fill are countries with low IQ Africans.

[Ixtab]

Why is it then that Jews and Asians don't seem to extoll the virtues of their superior IQ?Most white racialists seem fully aware of the higher average IQ of European Jews and East Asians.

Is it simply just IQ?Low IQ is not the only cause of poverty, but it is undoubtedly a significant factor. Low-IQ individuals are less likely to get the education needed for a well-paying job and so are at greater risk of falling into poverty. Doubtless other factors are operative, but IQ cannot be easily dismissed.

I think if you opened your mind then you'd see that the hangover from colonialismI don't believe this is the case. Africa was never more prosperous than it was under colonialism, and the poorest African countries of to-day never participated in the slave trade.

I am interested in race differences in intelligence solely for the sake of enquiry. Is intellectual curiosity an incomprehensible motive to egalitarians? To enquire, research and debate is great, thats how progress is made.That is why many people are interested in race differences in intelligence.

[Starr]

Gloria Steinham, Betty Friedman, Susan Sontag, Naomi Wolfe. What do these 4 have in common...hmmmm.


A world of difference between women like these and, for example, Susan B. Anthony.

Susan Sontag "the white race is the cancer of history" Why any white women would pay her any attention after that, especially, I cannot begin to understand.

[Osmium14]

Susan Sontag "the white race is the cancer of history" Why any white women would pay her any attention after that, especially, I cannot begin to understand.

Susan Sontag is a Jew. Her quote does not surprise me. I had to read one of her books for a class at my university. Disgusting.

The publication called "Race Traitor"--created by a Jewish guy from Harvard University--also calls for the extermination of the White race. Jared Taylor mentioned the "Race Traitor" publication a few times but he did not say that the founder, President, or Chairman of that magazine is a Jew.

These idiotic Jews don't think they're part of this so-called "White race."

[Count Sudoku]

A world of difference between women like these and, for example, Susan B. Anthony.

Susan Sontag "the white race is the cancer of history" Why any white women would pay her any attention after that, especially, I cannot begin to understand.

It wouldn't surprise me if Susan B. Anthony was just a shabbas goy frontman of some Jewish/Marxist operation just like MLK was.

[Starr]

the topic of feminism and jews,etc. is going off topic. I started a new thread on the topic here:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=300421#post300421

[Winston]

I used it as an example please dont mis quote me. I stated that I held it in no regard but merely to point out that by using a racists favorite, ie the bell curve, their own data can be challenged. The vain hope is that racists try to establish a link with IQ and race, put more bluntly, a load of bollocks.



You must live in a world like a complete bag of shite, I dont give a flying F**k about IQ generally. Look around the Phora for the types who generally support the crap, racists I think you'll find, why? Ask yourself, self interest and a scrap to hold onto to show what exactly? Superiority? pfft puhleeeze!

A handful of jews do not represent the whole race, my wife is Jewish, her family are Jewish, many of her friends are Jewish, I think I can speak with some certainty that IQ doesnt occupy their thoughts. I have chinese relatives, I have Indian relatives I have English relatives, and all the ancestry that goes with it, does that make me brain of Britain? I wish......

Racists bank on about it, dont railroad me into the white debate, this is about racists. simple

Your arguments are like hands grasping at a greasy pole. I'll just comment on a few of your sentences.

"Look around the Phora for the types who generally support the crap, racists I think you'll find, why?"

Most phora members believe in the validity of IQ testing, I think you'll find.
Why? Because accepting the reality of racial differences is the bedrock of racialism.

"Ask yourself, self interest and a scrap to hold onto to show what exactly? Superiority? pfft puhleeeze!"

I can't speak for everybody, we're a diverse bunch of people, but I think most of us are rightly worried by the influx of people with low IQs in our nations. This makes the issue of IQ highly relevant to the discussions which are held on this forum.

"A handful of jews do not represent the whole race,"

Neither do a handful (relatively speaking) of whites who post on this forum, and yet earlier you portrayed IQ as something that only whites are concerned with.

" my wife is Jewish, her family are Jewish, many of her friends are Jewish, I think I can speak with some certainty that IQ doesnt occupy their thoughts."

Like I said, IQ doesn't occupy the thoughts of many people any more than the GDP or the price of a barrel of crude oil enter the minds of average people. That doesn't make those things unimportant. This forum largely deals with racial issues, and IQ is a part of that.

[Count Sudoku]

I haven't suggested that this is a conspiracy, I will admit that it was sweeping and broad brush, never the less from what I read on here it has relevance. IQ and genetics are the new "evidence" being puported by people like yourself. You see an opportunity, no matter how tenuous and cling to it like a racist raft in a sea of liberalism.

If anything it shows your stupidity in not trying to analyse why poverty and poor environment play such a huge part in crime no matter what race has to endure it.

You're British, reseach Wythenshaw Manchester, hardly a black in the area, and its still a shit hole, crime is rife, drugs are a huge problem, people do not work, they are almost unemployable, we call them chavs. How does this fit in with a genetic predisposition for violence and low IQ?

You keep kidding yourself,

Oh, here's something for you to suck on with your environmental bullshit.

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/tired_and_liberal_in_peckham/

Tired and liberal in Peckham

"Guns plague Peckham despite investment” complains the headline from an article on the BBC website written in the aftermath of a mini-catalogue of black violence in SE London.

The dilapidated flats might be gone, but the criminals who lurked have not - they just got younger.

Seven years after the death of 10-year-old Damilola Taylor in a stairwell in the North Peckham estate in south-east London, violence still plagues the area.

Replacing rows of rundown high-rise flats and maisonettes are 2,000 new homes, a new sports centre, a new leisure centre and award-winning library, thanks to a £290m regeneration investment.

Peckham, which has tried much to shake off its mean streets image in the last decade, has once again hit the headlines because of acts of violence.

The acts of violence have involved two fatal shootings and a stabbing, all performed with the tell-tale heedlessness of the black gang-killer. The familiar press references to the Met’s Operation Trident complete the picture.

That BBC headline has about it the melancholy of inevitability. For the Establishment hand-wringers, the investment-mongers, the blank-slate idealists this is bad, bad news. An awful suspicion hangs in the air. Can nothing break the black attachment to mayhem? I mean, if building them an award-winning new library and even filling the Bellendon area with posh street art by Zandra Rhodes and Anthony Gormley doesn’t transform them all into model citizens, what more will it take?

And beneath it all lurks the still darker, indeed unbearably dark and depressing possibility that the racist bastards were right all along: blacks are irredeemable, and all those enthusiastically right-on genuflections to the gods of diversity ...

If you’re looking for a real multi-cultural experience and a slice of authentic South London life, Camberwell and Peckham will be right up your street. Here you’ll discover multi-faith, multi-ethnic London at its rich, colourful best — charged with the energy of regeneration, investment and economic uplift.

... that seemed such a gas at the time will come back to haunt and humiliate everyone.

Everyone but the racists, obviously.

Well, maybe not quite everyone because here’s a brave article by Leo McKinstry, a former aid to Peckham’s MP, Harriet Harman. He, at least, can hold his head high.

He wrote the piece five long years ago. Obviously, it achieved absolutely nothing at the time. Now, it reads like one long-reminder that there are no new lessons in matters of human nature.

In Peckham, there is no such thing as society

THE word “community” is one of the most over-used in modern Britain. Yet it can never have been more badly misplaced than in the hand-wringing debate over the death of Damilola Taylor.

Since the end of the trial last week, there have been continual references to the “community” on the North Peckham estate where the 10-year-old boy died. But community implies solidarity, shared identity, mutual concern. Such values have been entirely absent from North Peckham, where social breakdown, fear and aggression predominate.

It was this lack of any true community spirit, not police incompetence, that denied Damilola justice. By remaining silent, local people ruined the chances of an effective prosecution. That is why it is so grotesque to attack the police. “The whole community knows who did it. The police did not do a good job,” says the local “community leader” Gary Barnett, failing to explain why residents failed to share this knowledge with the authorities.

I have seen for myself how the absence of any communal feelings has destroyed the social fabric of this south London estate.

... The place certainly lived down to its dismal reputation. Throughout this concrete warren of despair, there were burnt-out flats, broken lifts, piles of rubbish, abandoned cars, used needles, and smashed windows. Vandalism and drug-taking seemed the two most popular activities on the estate. Because of the roaming gangs, the sense of fear was almost palpable.

... Many locals say that this intervention has achieved little. “You still have the same things going on, the stabbings, the stealing,” says Uanu Seshmi from one local project for “excluded children”. Indeed, despite the lavish spending, crime has worsened. The grim reality of Peckham is that you can change the buildings, but that will not change the people. All the high quality housing and shiny new computers will do nothing to break the cycle of fecklessness, irresponsibility and thuggery.

... There is an even more disturbing truth about Peckham which is rarely voiced. For decades, the political establishment has enthused about the “rich multi-cultural diversity” of modern Britain, but in north Peckham, where more than 70 per cent of the population is from ethnic minorities, the picture looks very different. In contrast to the propaganda spouted by liberal ideologues living in all-white neighbourhoods, Peckham exposes the darker side of mass immigration: gang violence, drug-dealing, muggings, shootings, and disruption in school.

It is time we stopped pretending multi-culturalism has been an unqualified benefit to society. In areas like Peckham, there is nothing “rich” about diversity.

In those five years that 70% immigrant figure will have increased substantially. The white natives have gone, and their, of course, so shamefully racist attitudes with them. Liberal guilt and Jewish self-interest have won in Peckham. But now there are no more excuses left for all those little things blacks get up to. What’s a hand-wringer to do? Carry on ignoring McInstry’s warning - “The grim reality of Peckham is that you can change the buildings, but that will not change the people” - and spend another £290 million? And another, like a high-roller on a losing streak?

My feeling is that the managerial Establishment will look for an answer in its own self-interest. It will try to produce some response that maintains its status, perhaps finding justifications for more thaumaturgy, more expenditure in new and hitherto undreamt of formulations of social concern (white responsibility for the absent black father?) and new definitions of deprivation (white responsibility for the paucity of black male role models?). It will certainly not give up now. It will require a righteous English hand to do the decent thing one day, and decapitate it.

Up your bum Mr. Angry!

edit: started new thread here http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20311

[Fenris]

1. Physical bondage and suppression, ended by civil war by two political factions.

2. Legal rights once it was realised that all people should have equal rights according to the US Constitution.
So the blacks in England, who were not enslaved, are equal to whites in IQ?

[Starr]

The Global Bell Curve

Uncommon sense on wealth and poverty


Why are some countries rich and others poor? Why are some pleasant and well-run while others are pestholes? This question has attracted attention since at least the mid-18th century, when Montesquieu noted in De L’Esprit des Lois that rich countries were in the temperate zones and poor countries were in the tropics.

In earlier times it was common for the people of better-favored nations to assume that if a country was poor it was because its inhabitants were inferior. Mid-way through the 20th century, straightforward thinking of this kind fell out of fashion, in favor of complicated economic and even psychological theories of development. IQ and the Wealth of Nations marks a return to a simpler, more realistic view: that populations differ in average mental ability, and economic achievement reflects these abilities.

Both authors of this important study are well known to AR. Richard Lynn, Emeritus Professor of Psychology of the University of Ulster, Northern Ireland, has written several books reviewed in AR, including Dysgenics: Genetic Deterioration in Modern Populations (April 1997) and Eugenics: A Reassessment (November 2001). He has also written for AR, most recently a summary of his innovative work on racial differences in tendency towards psychopathic personality (July 2002). Tatu Vanhanen is Emeritus Docent of Political Science of the University of Helsinki, Finland. His remarkable book, Ethnic Conflicts Explained by Ethnic Nepotism, was reviewed in the June 2002 issue. Both authors are unconstrained by racial taboos, and are therefore able to offer a convincing explanation for national wealth differences.

Previous theories have assumed that all populations are equally intelligent and hard-working, and that it was only a matter of time before all countries grew rich. According to “convergence theory,” for example, poor countries needed only to copy the achievements of the West. Since they would not have to bother with the uncertain work of innovation they would soon catch up.

Previous theories have assumed that all populations are equally intelligent and hard-working, and that it was only a matter of time before all countries grew rich.

For a long time, Marxists argued that capitalism could enrich some countries only by impoverishing others. The authors quote from a book, Development and Underdevelopment, published as recently as 1998: “[T]he gap between rich and poor ultimately will disappear, but only when the capitalist world system that has been in place since the sixteenth century itself disappears.” Some anti-capitalists endorsed the absurd view that poor countries could develop only by completely cutting themselves off from world trade and world markets.

There have also been theories about the influence of “culture:” Lucky whites got a good one, while blacks got a bad one. The culture argument has proven to be admirably adaptable. Back in the 1950s, when China, Korea, and Taiwan were poor, it was fashionable to blame the stifling effects of Confucianism. Now that these countries are growing rich, it is fashionable to credit the discipline and orderliness of—Confucianism. Some people have also proposed that hot weather slows people down and prevents development, but this theory doesn’t explain why Chinese have been so successful in Singapore and how whites managed to build an industrial economy in South Africa.

One of the better theories of development was that government intervention was the problem, and that free markets would drag the poor out of poverty. Communism proved that regulation hobbles development, but in the poorest countries, what passed for government had no power to regulate anything. Markets were free, but the people were still poor.

In the 1960s and 1970s, newly independent Third-World countries were going to be laboratories for all these exciting theories, and uplift artists swarmed the tropics promising great things. The uplift artists have come home, their theories in tatters, and with many former colonies poorer than when they were run by whites. The whole field of “development theory” has been more or less silenced by lack of success.


The Role of Intelligence


Prof. Lynn and Prof. Vanhanen explain that the average intelligence of the population predicts national income better than any other demographic characteristic. They note that within individual countries, income and intelligence are closely correlated: smart people generally make more money than stupid people. It would be surprising if this association between intelligence and wealth did not apply to nations as well.

In developed countries, approximately one quarter of children either rise above or sink below the socio-economic level of their parents, and IQ measured at an early age best predicts which children will rise or fall. People of high intelligence do even simple jobs better than the less intelligent, and the association between IQ and job proficiency increases dramatically with more demanding jobs. Even the US military has quietly accepted the fact that even donkey work requires a minimum level of intelligence: It does not accept anyone with an IQ lower than 80.



Intelligence influences more than jobs. The chart on this page, which summarizes data presented in The Bell Curve, shows that IQ levels are excellent predictors of many important outcomes. Intelligent people tend to make their way through life more successfully than the unintelligent. As this chart, which summarizes data for whites shows, Americans in the highest range of intelligence have essentially no chance of dropping out of high school, going to jail, or being poor.

Intelligence can make a life-or-death difference. Low IQ people not only fail to look after themselves, and are therefore more likely to die of accidents and preventable diseases; they are also more likely to neglect or kill their own children—and each other.

Within the same country bright people tend to live in desirable places and dim people in less desirable places. Their neighborhoods differ dramatically, just as the texture of life differs dramatically from one country to another.

The authors have collected a huge amount of data on national IQ and national income that suggest a powerful association between the two. Cross-national comparisons of intelligence and income are not easy or always accurate, but the authors have carefully documented their exhaustive search for what appear to be the most meaningful data available. They have also presented reaction-time data for the limited number of countries for which it is available. These are the records of the speeds at which people perform certain simple physical activities known to specialists as “elementary cognitive tasks,” (see the review of The g Factor, September 1998), and they correlate strongly with results from paper-and-pencil IQ tests.

National IQ findings reflect the very ample data collected in the United States and around the world on racial differences. African IQs are consistently low, while in Latin America IQs range from a high of 96 in Argentina and Uruguay, where the populations are mostly white, to about 80 in Guatemala and Ecuador, where most of the population is Indian or Mestizo. Hong Kong gets top score, with an average IQ of 107. Given the very high IQ scores of American Jews, the score for Israel is a surprisingly modest 94, doubtless brought down by Sephardic Jews.

For the 82 countries for which good IQ and national income data are available, the authors find a relationship between intelligence and GDP per capita as shown on the graph on the next page. There is a strong positive correlation, as indicated by the sloping trend line. There is nothing surprising about the finding that more intelligent populations are richer than less intelligent populations. It is the “outliers,” or countries that fall well above or below the trend line that are most interesting.

Only a few of the countries on this chart are named, but in the text the authors provide careful analysis of all the data. The former Communist countries, for example, are much poorer than one would except from the IQs of their populations. China, especially, has been held back by its backward economic system, as has North Korea. In 1950, North Korea had a per capita GDP that was about 73 percent that of South Korea. The North languished under Communism while the South embraced capitalism, and by 1990, the north had only 25 percent the per capita income of the South. Because Koreans are all essentially the same stock, it is clear Communism impoverished the North. Presumably Eastern European countries were held back to much the same degree.

Some countries are well above the trend line, meaning their incomes are higher than would be justified by national IQ. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are easy to understand: Their wealth derives from natural resources exploited with the help of outsiders. South Africa is wealthier than it should be because its economy was run by whites. As blacks continue to take over, and as whites leave, its per capita GDP can be expected to fall.

The authors find that as a rule, no country with an average national IQ lower than 90 can sustain a complex, industrial society. Average IQ is important not only because a generally high level of intelligence provides the basic mental infrastructure of a country but also because the higher the average IQ, the larger the percentage of people with IQs in the 130 to 160 range, who provide the real leadership of most countries. However, once the threshold of 90 is cleared, average national IQ loses much of its power to predict wealth. With an average IQ of 98, for example, the United States has a considerably lower score than South Korea at 106, yet it enjoys a much higher national income. All the countries to the right of the United States on the chart have higher IQs but less income. The United States has benefited from size and natural resources, and from an economic system that encourages growth.



The authors find that as countries change from older forms of government to free-market democracies, the correlation between intelligence and wealth becomes stronger. Using historical data, they find that in 1820 the wealth/IQ correlation was only .540, whereas the correlation in the chart on this page indicated by the trend line is a considerably stronger .72. In the past, countries with similar IQs might have had vastly different levels of wealth because they had very different political and economic systems. As the rules for gaining wealth became better known, and more countries tried to follow them, differences in performance become more constrained by intelligence, and similar countries achieved similar levels of wealth.

The historical data make this clear. In the 1950s and 1960s, Americans were much richer than the equally high-IQ populations of Europe and North Asia. The reason is that even setting aside the effects of the world wars, countries outside America were not as well organized for producing wealth. Americans still enjoy a wealth advantage, but it is not nearly so great. The gap should continue to narrow as North Asia and Europe—including the former Communists countries—adopt free markets and their people reap the benefits of their intelligence. This is an example of the “convergence” the optimists spoke of, but it requires populations of similar intelligence. Asians have shown themselves quite capable of absorbing and even improving on the technology of the West. Africans cannot even understand it well enough to use it.

The authors point out that, consistent with their high national IQ, the Chinese were well ahead of Europeans culturally and technologically in every period of history up until about the 15th century. They speculate that Europeans pulled ahead only because they began to understand free markets, a concept only now gaining acceptance in China. The authors note also that democracy often comes along with free markets but is not nearly as important for economic growth. Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan are good examples of countries that used markets to great advantage and did so without the messiness of democracy.

Japan was held back by internal regulation and several centuries of self-imposed isolation from the rest of the world. However, after Commodore Matthew Perry opened the country by force in 1853, it performed one economic miracle after another, and with its 1905 victory over the Russians became the first non-white power to defeat a white nation in modern times. The Japanese needed no foreign aid; once their country was open to the world, they quickly absorbed the ideas and technology they needed to become a world power. Democracy was imposed on them only after 1945. Once China shakes off the last remnants of a planned economy it will have even greater potential to grow into an economic and military power. Continued authoritarian control is not likely to diminish this potential greatly, once China establishes efficient markets.

As the authors point out, people in developed countries have thought for so long in terms of eventual equalization of wealth that they are terrified by any other kind of analysis. Development economics is as willfully blind to racial differences as the other social sciences, and its policy prescriptions have been just as wrong-headed. A realistic view of racial differences would have led to different North-South relations just as it would have led to different domestic race relations. Independence was inevitable for many Asian countries, but race-realist metropolitan powers would have known their African dependencies were not capable of self-government. Race-realist native leaders would have understood that prosperity required European tutelage, and continued direction by whites would have spared black Africa many horrors.

If the West had better understood race, the history of southern Africa would have been dramatically different. Apartheid and minority rule might not have continued unchanged, but there would have been little international pressure on Rhodesians and South Africans to hand over their countries for destruction.

The authors themselves do not draw these conclusions. They have little to say about the fact that the poor we will always have with us. They do suggest that rich countries could subsidize contraception for the poorest people in the poorest countries in the hope of raising national IQ, but they are not optimistic this will happen. For the most part they simply accept that nations, like people, are unequal, and that any effort based on contrary assumptions is largely wasted. The West once understood this, and did not expend its treasure and sentiment on causes that usually make things worse. IQ and the Wealth of Nations is an important step back towards common sense.

http://www.amren.com/0212issue/0212issue.html#article1

[///M power]

Inferior in some ways, such as physical strength? yes. Inferior all together? no. This seemed to spill over into Christian doctrine too which is no surprise. i could see how ideas like that could be a root cause of feminism. The rejection of feminist ideas is absolutely not going to happen by looking at this as a case of superior male vs inferior female, that feeds into and gives mass appeal to feminist ideas and creates a division between males and females. What can and should be understood is that differences between males and females exist and has an impact on their different strenghths and abilities and place in society.

I'm not talking about physical strength starr.
I don't know your Christianity, but Judaism makes very clear the males role in life and the females role in life.
I really don't know about Christianity, in Judaism(the original religion before whites changed it) the female is always referred to as inferior and wanting to poison the mind of the male and corrupt him. the Hebrew word for female is "nekeva" it comes from the word "nekev" which means a hole. it also said the entire female gender was created by god from a tiny piece from a males bone,the rib.
females in Judaism,unlike Christianity,have no place in religion and in the Torah. they are so inferior that they cant even walk or be in most parts of the synagogue! they are not allowed to even touch the holy book. there isn't even a job for the female in the religion,unlike Christianity which has nuns for example.what about marriage? according to Judaism and Islam, a man is allowed to marry as much females as he would like, the more the better. while the female needs to stay faithful,if not she is stoned to death. the females role according to Judaism is just to make babies and serve the male,(house work and sometimes assist in field work). even if you look at traditional Jewish families today nothing had changed,in the religious families its still all that way except for not being able to marry more then 1 female.

[Steppenwolf]

1. Physical bondage and suppression, ended by civil war by two political factions.
The liberation of African slaves was only a pretext. The Civil War was an agressive and expansionist act by the urbanized, industrialized North against the decentralized, agrarian South.

2. Legal rights once it was realised that all people should have equal rights according to the US Constitution.
And there was no reason not to give equal consumers equal rights.

[///M power]

who invented democracy? whites.
the first democratic regime was in ancient Greece(whites) it was radical democracy. even the word "democracy" is in Greek! are whites here that ignorant not to know that stuff?

who invented liberalism? whites.
the revolutionary thinking style for liberalism was done by john lock,an English white man who lived in the 16th century. later on it was farther developed and adopted by other whites, the French revolution, and the American revolution.

who invented feminism? whites.
again,this is no surprise,they were inventing that type of thinking and later on developed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_feminists#Early_pioneers
here is a list of more then 100 feminist(famous) tell me how many of them are Jews, tell me the exact number of Jews on that list,and the entire number of females who aren't Jewish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_feminists

[barbarroja]

technically:
Democracy, liberalism and feminism as we know them today, were American creations.
Greek democracy is other history (is really an ethnos aristocracy for some elite who works as a democracy ONLY between them)... liberalism is an anglo-saxon creation -Netherlands and England where their real big developers (Italy had proto-capitalist states too); and USA was the summum of the liberalism thinking and practice.

Feminism is bornt of some american bitches with too much money and husbands all the day out of the home ... the upper middle class of England and principally USA was the class who push for feminism... and then for gays and dope culture. So, those creations are a protestant cultural matter at first, and racially (anglo-saxon) until England and USA give their "commonwealth/american" way to the world.
Ah, the jews were a big part of those upper middle class in anglo-saxon countries (Netherlands, England, USA). And that is no coincidence.

[///M power]

technically:
Democracy, liberalism and feminism as we know them today, were American creations.
Greek democracy is other history (is really an ethnos aristocracy for some elite who works as a democracy ONLY between them)... liberalism is an anglo-saxon creation -Netherlands and England where their real big developers (Italy had proto-capitalist states too); and USA was the summum of the liberalism thinking and practice.

Feminism is bornt of some american bitches with too much money and husbands all the day out of the home ... the upper middle class of England and principally USA was the class who push for feminism... and then for gays and dope culture. So, those creations are a protestant cultural matter at first, and racially (anglo-saxon) until England and USA give their "commonwealth/american" way to the world.
Ah, the jews were a big part of those upper middle class in anglo-saxon countries (Netherlands, England, USA). And that is no coincidence.

still, the comment "Jews invented
liberalism/feminism/democracy is just wrong. even if you you do look at the names of most philosophers which developed those 3 ideas,you would see that if there are Jewish names its really minor,unlike whites.Judaism is quite different as I explained it, the traditional "Jewish world" doesn't support them,they have different ways to do things.
even if some Jews outside Israel or modern western Jews support them,it still is "whites" fault for creating them in the first place and for giving it all the power it has today(if someone is looking who to blame),I can honestly say that most whites in America and in Europe support that crap. so its not the fault of the Jews ,its the Western world to blame and the people who live in it,some are Jews,most are not.
if some would have said for example that in America there are some Jewish groups who support those ideas,I would agree with it. but I dont like it when people try to change history in order to blame Jews for EVERYTHING. and its mostly the ignorant Internet "Nazis" which learn history/politics from reading on VNN/stormfront.

[Starr]

I'm not talking about physical strength starr.
I don't know your Christianity, but Judaism makes very clear the males role in life and the females role in life.
I really don't know about Christianity, in Judaism(the original religion before whites changed it) the female is always referred to as inferior and wanting to poison the mind of the male and corrupt him. the Hebrew word for female is "nekeva" it comes from the word "nekev" which means a hole. it also said the entire female gender was created by god from a tiny piece from a males bone,the rib.
females in Judaism,unlike Christianity,have no place in religion and in the Torah. they are so inferior that they cant even walk or be in most parts of the synagogue! they are not allowed to even touch the holy book. there isn't even a job for the female in the religion,unlike Christianity which has nuns for example.what about marriage? according to Judaism and Islam, a man is allowed to marry as much females as he would like, the more the better. while the female needs to stay faithful,if not she is stoned to death. the females role according to Judaism is just to make babies and serve the male,(house work and sometimes assist in field work). even if you look at traditional Jewish families today nothing had changed,in the religious families its still all that way except for not being able to marry more then 1 female.

My christianity does not exist. I am not a believer.
I have heard of these things before. And what exactly do you mean "before whites changed it?" These things all sound pretty primitive. It makes perfect sense that women who would have to live under this are going to come to a point where they might want to make some changes(all on their own rather than being manipulated by whatever outside influence people might want to blame it on) and also possibly even some males who have even a tiny bit of respect for women. One thing feminists do have right is that it couldn't be more obvious that ideas and laws like this are set up by males for the benefit of males rather than society and its advancement, as a whole. Where the feminists went wrong in this, however is turning the situation completely around and molding society in such a way where it is now women in many western countries that all laws and ideas are set up in favor of. Both do not work, both are unhealthy. Both will also continue as long as people are more concerned about what is best for them and allows them the most benefits, on what can become a personal level, rather than what is best for their people as a whole and their society.

especially when it comes to stuff like this:

a man is allowed to marry as much females as he would like, the more the better. while the female needs to stay faithful,if not she is stoned to death

It is quite clear how this allows the male to have all of the fun he wants while demanding that his women be only what he wants them to be.
do you believe these things about women?
Ideas similar to these are a trend among too many white nationalist males, also who seem to believe a rejection of feminism must involve setting up some kind of saudi style state that no white women who has any kind of brain in her head is going to approve of, and will result in feminist ideas taking shape once again somewhere down the road.

This is sort of a problem I see that is too prevalent in males. . They sometimes only seem to be able to think in terms of the most extreme one way or the other. And it is said that we are the ones who have no sense of reason.:rofl: and they will call me a feminist for voicing objection to a type of society where I would be little more than a slave or someone's property to be dealt with however one might see fit. This is insane. This is how stone age, spearchucking, mud and dung hut dwelling Africans treat and think of their women. I would like to think that white first world males have advanced beyond the cave.
I also don't quite get how people can claim to care about their race, and advancement of their race, while holding on to ideas that seem to suggest they view half of their race that is responsible for bearing the children,caring for the children and raising them into decent and respectable adults, as being little better than dogs in need of a harsh master.:(
And when it comes to males and females and their roles in society and their relations, this kind of thinking will only work to keep the pendulum swinging from one unhealthy and divisive extreme to another.

[barbarroja]

still, the comment "Jews invented
liberalism/feminism/democracy is just wrong. even if you you do look at the names of most philosophers which developed those 3 ideas,you would see that if there are Jewish names its really minor,unlike whites.Judaism is quite different as I explained it, the traditional "Jewish world" doesn't support them,they have different ways to do things.
even if some Jews outside Israel or modern western Jews support them,it still is "whites" fault for creating them in the first place and for giving it all the power it has today(if someone is looking who to blame),I can honestly say that most whites in America and in Europe support that crap. so its not the fault of the Jews ,its the Western world to blame and the people who live in it,some are Jews,most are not.
if some would have said for example that in America there are some Jewish groups who support those ideas,I would agree with it. but I dont like it when people try to change history in order to blame Jews for EVERYTHING. and its mostly the ignorant Internet "Nazis" which learn history/politics from reading on VNN/stormfront.

I post the same!
Those were not jewish inventions, but protestant (and anglo-saxon principally). The jews were just a part of the middle classes who profit the liberalism/democracy/feminism.
More, there were a lot of debates about the "democracy", and for example Rousseau-Jefferson (a "popular" democracy of agrarian owners, without the corruption of the market and the big cities) is the opposite to Jackson-the english school (an oligarchy disguised as democracy, based in the market and the big cities and big farms).

But, those ideas were one thing in the XVIII century... other in XIX-XX (until second world war) and other since the jewish-protestant american way was the dominant civilization. But again, the jews were only a secondary part of the elite group in America, and only now they have mixed with the protestants as a "sionist american" body. A halfbreed of WASPS and JEWS.

[Count Sudoku]

who invented democracy? whites.
the first democratic regime was in ancient Greece(whites) it was radical democracy. even the word "democracy" is in Greek! are whites here that ignorant not to know that stuff?

who invented liberalism? whites.
the revolutionary thinking style for liberalism was done by john lock,an English white man who lived in the 16th century. later on it was farther developed and adopted by other whites, the French revolution, and the American revolution.

who invented feminism? whites.
again,this is no surprise,they were inventing that type of thinking and later on developed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_feminists#Early_pioneers
here is a list of more then 100 feminist(famous) tell me how many of them are Jews, tell me the exact number of Jews on that list,and the entire number of females who aren't Jewish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_feminists

Correct me if I'm wrong but John Locke's "liberalism" is not what we consider liberalism today. We all know who created communism and who imposed it in Russia and was responsible for mass killings that outdid Hitler.

And we're not really worried about the feminist pioneers (although giving women the vote was a mistake) but about today's bunch of harpies.

Remember...

http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2006/06/its-jews-stupid.html

t’s The Jews Stupid

By

Curt Maynard

What distinct group has been ejected from more counties over the last two millennia than any other group? It’s the Jews stupid.

What distinct group has led more radical subversive movements within their host nations than any other distinguishable group? It’s the Jews stupid.

What group has consistently avoided military service, especially in the front lines, than any other group? It’s the Jews stupid.[9]

What group more so than any other has always had its patriotism questioned? It’s the Jews stupid.

What specific ethnic/religious group more so than any other has consistently sought to ensnare and then exploit native populations under the yolk of usury?

What ethnic/religious group dominates international finance? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates the media in Europe and North America? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates Hollywood? It’s the Jews stupid.[10]

What ethnic group has done more to subvert true scientific inquiry in the sciences than any other – imbedding themselves in the disciplines of psychology, sociology and anthropology – and doing so in such a way as to hijack them and completely and totally politicize them? It’s the Jews stupid.[11]

What ethnic group gave us “multiculturalism,” and followed that up with an indoctrination program that reinforced this divisive farce by reaching right into our job place, homes and schools via compulsory “diversity” and “tolerance,” training programs and presentations? It’s the Jews stupid.[12]

Who brought us “Judeo-Christianity,” a concept that erroneously amalgamates two distinctly different and diametrically opposed religious and cultural views? It’s the Jews stupid.[13]

What ethnic group has done more than any other to identify itself as the only real victims of Nazi Germany and the Second World War? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group has perpetrated one of the greatest frauds on mankind in the form of the so-called “holocaust?” It’s the Jews stupid! [This is an important point – please see associated footnote][14]

What ethnic group dominates the Russian mafia? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group dominates the pornography industry? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group is more responsible than any other for the ongoing sex slave trade? It’s the Jews stupid.

Members of what ethnic group intentionally attacked an American ship in 1967 named the USS Liberty, in what amounted to an act of war against the United States of America and then used their co-ethnics in the United States to cover that fact up? It’s the Jews stupid.

Members of what ethnic group sought to bomb American assets in Cairo Egypt in the 1950s and blame it on the Arabs in an attempt to frame them and convince Americans to financially and militarily support the Zionist state? It’s the Jews stupid.[15]

What group more than any other has sought to undermine Christian values and western civilization in an effort to divide and conquer? It’s the Jews stupid.

What ethnic group was overly represented in the junk bond scandals of the 1980s? It’s the Jews stupid.[16]

Members of what ethnic group were deeply involved in the Enron scandal but were able to utilize the Jewish medias influence and access to the American mind in such a way as to nearly eliminate their role? It’s the Jews stupid.[17]

[Omniel]

It's even worse than you think. Jews have a 115 average IQ but only because they score 100 on the spatial aspect and 130! on verbal ability which is one reason why they are so damn successful in some fields.
It's true, I'm crap at navigating but I've conned everyone I know into believing that I'm not.

[Starr]

although giving women the vote was a mistake

Allowing anyone and everyone to vote was a mistake. Males and females alike. Do you support the war in Iraq? i would be quite willing to bet that support for the war in Iraq is greater among males than females just as will be any impending situation with Iran. And those males have and will continue to help put into power those who support these things.

Damn i hate when this male-female topic gets brought up and yet I cannot bring myself not to jump in and say anything.:rofl: It tends to also get me a bit more riled than I would like.:rofl:

since this is not the thread topic I will try not to say anymore.

[Count Sudoku]

Allowing anyone and everyone to vote was a mistake. Males and females alike. Do you support the war in Iraq? i would be quite willing to bet that support for the war in Iraq is greater among males than females just as will be any impending situation with Iran. And those males have and will continue to help put into power those who support these things.

Yes, granting the vote to any idiot (sometimes literally) that hit legal age was a mistake as well. I was neutral about America invading Iraq when it happened (hadn't been awakened back then) and now of course see it has a huge mistake though I suppose the silver lining is that it has awakened some more whites to how the Jews rule our society from behind the scenes.

I'm sure more males than females support the Iraq war even thought ironically more women than men believe that Saddam was responsible for 911.

In our two party system (one party system) voting doesn't really matter as we don't get to vote on the most important issues (immigration, border control, media ownership, racial policy, foreign policy) but regardless letting women vote moves the whole political spectrum to the left and it was what allowed BS like the 1965 Immigration Act and Civil Rights to sail through more easiliy. From a tactical point of view you should be in favor of getting rid of suffrage as while it eliminates your vote it also eliminates at least two votes for flaming leftists.

[Starr]

i would be in favor of getting rid of the entire voting system as it is. No one should be guaranteed the "right" to vote. Not all people, not all women. The idea that anyone who is merely a male and over a certain age should be guaranteed the vote is nearly as insane.

One of the charges that always get leveled at women is that they are too easily manipulated, I brought up the the war in iraq since that shows how easily males can be mislead or manipulated, also. A different set of characteristics, more common to the nature of males(anger, aggression, the need for vengence,etc.:viking: ) just needs to be appealed to.

[Count Sudoku]

i would be in favor of getting rid of the entire voting system as it is. No one should be guaranteed the "right" to vote. Not all people, not all women. The idea that anyone who is merely a male and over a certain age should be guaranteed the vote is nearly as insane.

I'm against giving the vote to all men over a certain age.

[Osmium14]

In my opinion, only the middle-class and low-class should vote. Or maybe the middle-class should have the biggest vote, like each one of their votes count MORE than low-class and upper-class.

We should have a system where the upper-class have MUCH less influence in politics than they do today. MUCH MUCH MUCH less. Once you reach a certain annual stable income, you shouldn't vote at all.

[Count Sudoku]

i would be in favor of getting rid of the entire voting system as it is. No one should be guaranteed the "right" to vote. Not all people, not all women. The idea that anyone who is merely a male and over a certain age should be guaranteed the vote is nearly as insane.

One of the charges that always get leveled at women is that they are too easily manipulated, I brought up the the war in iraq since that shows how easily males can be mislead or manipulated, also. A different set of characteristics, more common to the nature of males(anger, aggression, the need for vengence,etc.) just needs to be appealed to.

You'll have to argue with the wisdom of Fred Scrooby then...

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/race_replacement_in_britain/

Friedrich, your identification of today’s effeminate Christianity as being a major factor causing The Problem is correct. My sense, however, is that THE major factor, bigger than today’s appalling effeminate Christianity which has taken whole religions such as Episcopalianism right down the tubes (and Reform Judaïsm right down the tubes with them, not a Christian religion but motivated by the same destructive modernist effeminate spirit that’s destroying Episcopalianism and the others), bigger than liberalism, bigger than Wall Street greed and Tranzism, bigger than today’s holdovers from communism, bigger than instinctive efforts by Jews at every level to oppose the ongoing health of white Christianity their ancient rival, and bigger than all the other causes of “The Problem,” is the advent of the woman voter, the woman political officeholder, and the woman high government bureaucrat (with plenty of help from the woman college professor). Women live and breathe in a different universe from men and the universe they live in makes them completely unfit for participation in government. Their main characteristics are an instinct for romantic love of truly volcanic magnitude, a love of babies of seismic proportions, an intense natural interest in and understanding of interpersonal relationships, a passion for shopping, and an inability to see human interactions in any way other than as two-year-olds contending with each other as toddlers in a toddler’s playpen. The range of women’s mental gifts, natural expertise and practical abilities is incompatible with survival of race and the nation-state, neither of whose existence they are genetically equipped to be aware of: they simply lack the synapses for perceiving them. Woe betide the nation-state that grants them the vote and lets them in government or the bureaucracy: unless it take measures to protect itself from women’s ravages it will not survive in any recognizable form.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sunday, February 12, 2006 at 04:53 PM | #

[Keystone]

still, the comment "Jews invented
liberalism/feminism/democracy is just wrong. even if you you do look at the names of most philosophers which developed those 3 ideas,you would see that if there are Jewish names its really minor,unlike whites.Judaism is quite different as I explained it, the traditional "Jewish world" doesn't support them,they have different ways to do things.
You are very young, and have never lived in the West when the "liberation" of social groups was going on here. Jews were very much involved through the media and politically with breaking down traditional barriers within our society.

[Starr]

You are very young, and have never lived in the West when the "liberation" of social groups was going on here. Jews were very much involved through the media and politically with breaking down traditional barriers within our society.


Another thing that is important to bring up here, i believe, is that liberalism(as talked about earlier) in itself, is quite a bit different than the very destructive social marxism crap that had a lot of jewish support and promotion. That is not to say that jews and jews, alone are solely responsible for these things, but their role was definitely not an insignificant one.
Two things off the top of my head. 1. the prodiminately jewish makeup of those involved with the Frankfurt School. 2. Jews who involved themselves in the black civil rights movement(which some jews, themselves, say might not have succeeded without them)and the jewish makeup of the NAACP. None of these things are merely conspiracy theories. i don't buy into undocumented charges and wild theories that merely assign blame. These things, however, are factual and can be documented.

this thread that started about blacks is going in all kinds of different directions.:p

[Starr]

It is all wonderful and good to compare women to two year olds and all, but I would remind the author of that article that it was white males who had a tight reign on power when the countries we lived in started down the path we are on now. But I suppose everything would be completely different if it were not for female voters.:whip:

I will also say that i do not buy for one second the idea that floats around these forums which is that women don't care about their race and will actively work against the interests of their race. That is coming from males who want someone else to blame everything on. How many female abolishionists were there? How many female freedom riders do you recall seeing? How many females compared to males head the corporations that are selling us out for profit and bringing the third world upon us? How many females compared to males are currently sitting in Congress? How many of the loudest most outspoken anti-racists are male compared to female?
The roles of the churches are always brought into these things. Bishops, cardinals, priests, ministers,etc. are generally of which sex?
Speaking of voting, Who was it that allowed some negro males the right to vote before female members of their own race? who was it that allowed all of us incompetant women with our simple child like minds to vote in the first place?:222:

[todd]

It is all wonderful and good to compare women to two year olds and all, but I would remind the author of that article that it was white males who had a tight reign on power when the countries we lived in started down the path we are on now. But I suppose everything would be completely different if it were not for female voters.:whip:

I will also say that i do not buy for one second the idea that floats around these forums which is that women don't care about their race and will actively work against the interests of their race. That is coming from males who want someone else to blame everything on. How many female abolishionists were there? How many female freedom riders do you recall seeing? How many females compared to males head the corporations that are selling us out for profit and bringing the third world upon us? How many females compared to males are currently sitting in Congress? How many of the loudest most outspoken anti-racists are male compared to female?
The roles of the churches are always brought into these things. Bishops, cardinals, priests, ministers,etc. are generally of which sex?
Speaking of voting, Who was it that allowed some negro males the right to vote before female members of their own race? who was it that allowed all of us incompetant women with our simple child like minds to vote in the first place?:222:Women are generally more liberal than man. Once they got the right to vote things started going down hill.

[Starr]

Women are generally more liberal than man. Once they got the right to vote things started going down hill.


This is no doubt, true. But if we can accept that women, are conformists to a greater degree than men(which they are) than it would also follow that women are not as likely to make waves by going against the accepted ideas of the day. if this is true today with them not being as likely to speak out about or make to much of a fuss about things like multi culturalism, that it would also have been true when our society had more sane policies on issues like race and immigration,etc. It is usually going to be the men who are responsible for creating the best and greatest societies, and also on the other side of that, destroying those societies. Men are more "outside the box" thinkers, while women are more stable. And both can be either negative or positive traits in different scenerios.

Also a big part of women voting more liberal probably has less to do with issues affecting minorities and their "rights", and more to do with issues of women's "rights." Liberal and left wing parties are percieved to be more pro-female.

[Holly]

I'm not talking about physical strength starr.
I don't know your Christianity, but Judaism makes very clear the males role in life and the females role in life.
I really don't know about Christianity, in Judaism(the original religion before whites changed it) the female is always referred to as inferior and wanting to poison the mind of the male and corrupt him. the Hebrew word for female is "nekeva" it comes from the word "nekev" which means a hole. it also said the entire female gender was created by god from a tiny piece from a males bone,the rib.
females in Judaism,unlike Christianity,have no place in religion and in the Torah. they are so inferior that they cant even walk or be in most parts of the synagogue! they are not allowed to even touch the holy book. there isn't even a job for the female in the religion,unlike Christianity which has nuns for example.what about marriage? according to Judaism and Islam, a man is allowed to marry as much females as he would like, the more the better. while the female needs to stay faithful,if not she is stoned to death. the females role according to Judaism is just to make babies and serve the male,(house work and sometimes assist in field work). even if you look at traditional Jewish families today nothing had changed,in the religious families its still all that way except for not being able to marry more then 1 female.

I am curious to know, do you have a lady or you just practice your fantasy on balloons with arms and legs ?:rofl: