Iron Maiden

[Anima Eternae]

In my opinion, quite simply the best band ever.


If you disagree with me you are wrong.

[jcs]

Iron Maiden
Sucks.

If you disagree with me you are wrong.
No, you are.

[Felix the Cat]

Metal is Satanic

[jcs]

Metal is Satanic
Satan is awesome. Just ask Dr. Antichrist.

[Felix the Cat]

http://www.metalforjesus.org/

[zenero]

May Iron Maiden be destroyed together with Vietnam.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I agree with the mamzer. Only fags hate Maiden.

[Leif]

Hm. I've heard a couple of their albums, definitely not terrible but I wouldn't stick it among the best music I've heard.

However, their artwork is totally rad. :cool:

[Anima Eternae]

Iron Maiden is an acquired taste. I wasn't particularly impressed when I first listened to them, but now I realize the pure fucking awesomeness of Iron Maiden. ^_^

[OVERWATCH]

I had the pleasure of seeing the Iron Maiden 'Somewhere in Time' concert at Cincinnasty Gardens. They're not bad, although nowadays I don't care much for the standard-issue rock-n-roll four pronged composition of electric guitar, electric bass, drums, vocalist.

As far as best band ever, I strongly disagree, because I think that honour belongs to any number of bands, (depending on my mood), such as Von Thronstahl or Der Blutharsch, for example.

[Ace Rimmer]

I like Iron Maiden, on the other hand, I like Right Said Fred too.

[Helios Panoptes]

A guy in Grom, a black metal band, said he went to an Iron Maiden concert and was shouted down by Dickenson for holding up a sign with the iron cross on it.

[Vindex]

Maiden has some good tunes, better then a lot of the standard Metal type bands to come out of there era. A good band I just started to listen to is Electric Hellfire club, good stuff.

[6(sic)6]

Iron Maiden is Iron Maiden it is impossible to dislike them!

[Starr]

Outside of a few songs that are OK, they basically suck. It is very possible to dislike them, 6(sic)6:D

[Anima Eternae]

^Another reason why women should not vote.

[Starr]

Not funny.:nono:

[Anima Eternae]

I think that new emoticon is cute. The waggy finger thing.

[Sinclair]

^Another reason why women should not vote.

WEIKEL HAS STOLEN ANIMA'S PROFILE. THIS WILL BE INVESTIGATED.

:p

[Péter]

A guy in Grom, a black metal band, said he went to an Iron Maiden concert and was shouted down by Dickenson for holding up a sign with the iron cross on it.

Heh, they are Brits, after all! :rolleyes:

[Billy Score]

Pat Boone's In a Metal Mood proves that christianity and metal are meant for each other.

[Helios Panoptes]

Outside of a few songs that are OK, they basically suck. It is very possible to dislike them, 6(sic)6:D


With all due respect, you're a Pantera fan, which invalidates everything you say about matters of music and art in general.

[Starr]

With all due respect, your opinion matters little.:p

[Helios Panoptes]

With all due respect, you opinion matters little.:p

Said the swine to Socrates.

[Blaphbee]

The first post has a point. Maiden does indeed rule.
:)

[Jimbo Gomez]

Hi there blaph.

[Blaphbee]

HI

have we met?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Probably. If you posted here before (which I think you did) we have.

[Anima Eternae]

I would like to reiterate my love of the Bayley albums (X Factor, Virtual XI). Sure, Dickinson is my favorite...but X Factor and Virtual XI are better than Somewhere in Time, No Prayer, and Fear of the Dark (weakest Dickinson albums).

[Generator]

Iron Maiden do rock in a major way, but it is the pantheon of bands whom they influenced which bears out their true legacy. In fact, many of the thrashers who cite them as influences surpassed them IMHO.

[Anima Eternae]

Like who?

Slayer < IM.

[Generator]

Like who?

Slayer < IM.

No way, dude! I've not been able to find anything that bettered Slayer, and in particular their stuff up to Divine Intervention. However, keep in mind that IM and Slayer aren't quite the same vein of thrash....

Of course, it's a subjective issue as to what "surpassed" means, but personally I'd rattle off many a Gothenburg thrash band, starting with At the Gates...The purists would kill me for that opinion though...ah well.

[tempus fugit]

They are a pretty strong band, and together with Judas Priest molded a genre of metal. I've seen them (and JP) in concert. Quite good.

As a guitarist, I'd say that Smith and Murray worked well together.

[Intrepid]

"The Anglo cakers who liked IM wore shitty clothes and their mother's packed them bad lunches. They were not chic!"

Niccolo the Fashionable - 12-05

http://www.librarydream.com/images/machiavelli.jpg

RIP

[Péter]

Iron Maiden and Mercyful Fate were always my favorite heavy metal bands.

"Somewhere In Time" is in no way one of Maiden's weakest albums! :mad:

[Anima Eternae]

"Somewhere In Time" is in no way one of Maiden's weakest albums!

The only good song on that album is Wasted Years. At least Fear of the Dark had the title song and Afraid to Shoot Strangers.


Most of X Factor and Virtual XI were great.

[Ahknaton]

No way, dude! I've not been able to find anything that bettered Slayer, and in particular their stuff up to Divine Intervention. However, keep in mind that IM and Slayer aren't quite the same vein of thrash....

Of course, it's a subjective issue as to what "surpassed" means, but personally I'd rattle off many a Gothenburg thrash band, starting with At the Gates...The purists would kill me for that opinion though...ah well.
I agree. Reign in Blood beats anything Iron Maiden put out.

[Péter]

The only good song on that album is Wasted Years.

Dude are you kidding me!? What about?...

"Caught Somewhere In Time"
"The Lonliness Of The Long Distance Runner"
"Stranger In A Strange Land"

but most of all,

"ALEXANDER THE GREAT!"

[Anima Eternae]

Alexander is good, but those other three are mediocre.

[Excorcism]

I love the song "Blood Brothers"

I think that's by far my favorite of theirs.

I normally listen to Amon Amarth but I listen to all types of music.

[Blaphbee]

I would like to reiterate my love of the Bayley albums (X Factor, Virtual XI). Sure, Dickinson is my favorite...but X Factor and Virtual XI are better than Somewhere in Time, No Prayer, and Fear of the Dark (weakest Dickinson albums).
Okay, you know I love you man, but Somewhere in Time is NOT weak in ANY way, shape or form!!!

It's not Seventh Son, but it's still amazing.

And the Title track of Fear of the Dark is awesome.

EDIT: All right, I didn't read the rest of the debate, and only saw Anima's initial reply, but my heart still broke all the same.

[Anima Eternae]

Somewhere in time has Wasted Years and Alexander...and that's pretty much it.

Chains of Misery and Afraid to Shoot Strangers are also good off of "Fear of the Dark".



Best IM albums: Piece of Mind, Powerslave, Seventh Son, and Brave New World. Brave New World is fucking awesome.

Dance of Death is an acquired taste. Best songs from that are "Gates of Tommorow", "Paschendale", "Dance of Death", "Face in the Sand", and "New Frontier".

[Blaphbee]

Somewhere in time has Wasted Years and Alexander...and that's pretty much it.
Good GOD man, I don't know what I'm going to do with you. Wasted Years was terrible - formulaic radio rock that positively SCREAMED how much Harris wanted to be played on the radio. The rest of the album? Absolutely awesome, with a few hits and misses in the riff department.

Best IM albums: Piece of Mind, Powerslave, Seventh Son, and Brave New World. Brave New World is fucking awesome.
I'm sorry, but Maiden died after Seventh Son. Whoever the band is that's been masquerading around as them for the last decade is not Maiden however, and they are also garbage, as is every album the imposters have put out. Best Maiden is Killers, end of discussion. Followed closely by Seventh Son.

[Anima Eternae]

Have you even listened to Brave New World? The entire thing multiple times?

Awesome stuff.

[il ragno]

Time to show my age.

I bought the first three Maiden lps. On vinyl. The month they came out. Tried to like em, came very close to it. Preferred DiAnno to the Foghorn. Nicko McBrain's lack of a recognizably human nose frightened me. Steve Harris' new habit of ripping off war movies for song material (WHERE EAGLES DARE) even lamer than his old habit of ripping off horror movies for song material (PHANTOM OF THE OPERA). Secret weapon to Maiden's rapid rise in the metal firmament who played no instrument - no, not the damn puppet: Martin Birch.

I loved - still do - the NWOBHM bands, and preferred it to what followed during the latter half of the 80s as metal became an as seen on tv! marketing phenomenon. But the NWOBHM bands who made the transition to the big time.... Maiden and Def Leppard....passed their sell-by dates in 1984.

I'll give the Foghorn this much, though: ACCIDENT OF BIRTH and even BALLS TO PICASSO were far superior to what he'd been grinding out with Maiden. Losing Steve Harris was a godsend, as was finding a drummer with areal nose. But I guess Brooooce prefers eating steak to hamburger, so it was back to fronting a band with a foolish giant puppet. Sad, really.

[Blaphbee]

Have you even listened to Brave New World? The entire thing multiple times?

Awesome stuff.
I wish I could get that close to AIDS-infested material, but I have a future progeny to think about.

I heard it once or twice, and it sent me off laughing. I hadn't had a gale quite like that since the time I heard "Futureal".

[Blaphbee]

Time to show my age.

I bought the first three Maiden lps. On vinyl. The month they came out. Tried to like em, came very close to it. Preferred DiAnno to the Foghorn. Nicko McBrain's lack of a recognizably human nose frightened me. Steve Harris' new habit of ripping off war movies for song material (WHERE EAGLES DARE) even lamer than his old habit of ripping off horror movies for song material (PHANTOM OF THE OPERA). Secret weapon to Maiden's rapid rise in the metal firmament who played no instrument - no, not the damn puppet: Martin Birch.

I loved - still do - the NWOBHM bands, and preferred it to what followed during the latter half of the 80s as metal became an as seen on tv! marketing phenomenon. But the NWOBHM bands who made the transition to the big time.... Maiden and Def Leppard....passed their sell-by dates in 1984.
wow.

Everyone bow down before the old timer.;)

[Anima Eternae]

Steve Harris' new habit of ripping off war movies for song material (WHERE EAGLES DARE)

Well to be fair, Paschendale, The Trooper, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, and Face in the Sand weren't based on movies. War is a popular theme for them, but I fail to see what's wrong with that.


even lamer than his old habit of ripping off horror movies for song material (PHANTOM OF THE OPERA).

Don't forget The Wicker Man.


Of course Seventh Son is based on a novel, as is Rime of the Ancient Mariner, and Out of the Silent Planet. They tried to name "To Tame a Land" as Dune, but Frank Herbert is a prick.

[Blaphbee]

"To Tame a Land"*swoon* I love this track.

[Anima Eternae]

Do you like the Powerslave track?


edit: And Sign of the Cross is fucking epic.

[Blaphbee]

Do you like the Powerslave track?

Every song on Powerslave is a masterpiece. Especifally the title track. Nuff said.

[Anima Eternae]

I always thought Quest for Fire was the most hilarious Maiden track. It's catchy and I always bust up whenever I hear Dickinson sing "At a time when dinosaurs roamed the earth..."

[Blaphbee]

I always thought Quest for Fire was the most hilarious Maiden track. It's catchy and I always bust up whenever I hear Dickinson sing At a time when dinosaurs roamed the earth...
Yeah, I'll agree with that. I can't stop shaking my head about that song - what were they thinking? I like the chorus, but that's about it.

[il ragno]

POWERSLAVE was really the last IM album prior to their running completely out of ideas, with self-parody hot on their heels. Title track and "Back in the Village" - even "Aces High" - are all good toonz. But already I was growing weary of Dickinson, and Harris' songwriting was beginning to show the seams. The stripey-circus-pants era was beginning.

This was around the time when Eddie Clarke had left Motorhead (to start the joke band Fastway) and Lemmy began playng with real guitarists, like Brian Robertson and Wurzel. And it became glaringly obvious that - purely in terms of metal - any random 15 minutes of Motorhead completely eclipsed the entire Maiden catalogue. Steve Harris never wrote a 'war' song with the adult sophistication and authenticity of 1916 or MARCHING OFF TO WAR, which - unlike Mr Galloping Bassline - took a moment to remind the kids in the audience that war was no fucking posedown, but something that would leave some of em peeing into a urostomy bag for the rest of their lives.

But even from a purely-musical standpoint, there was no comparing PIECE OF MIND or NO PRAYER to ANOTHER PERFECT DAY or BASTARDS. And Lemmy never required the services of a foam-rubber booga-booga monster looming over the drum riser to get his point across.

Who do you think Spinal Tap were a parody of, anyway? Led Zeppelin?

[Blaphbee]

ragno, you can be an iconoclast all you want, but my fanboyish love for Maiden will never die. I see your point, but I still grew up with Maiden, and I didn't discover Motorhead until much later on. There's a sentimental attachment to Maiden that I can't shake.

[Blaphbee]

But even from a purely-musical standpoint, there was no comparing PIECE OF MIND or NO PRAYER to ANOTHER PERFECT DAY or BASTARDS.
C'mon now, you can't compare two of Maiden's worst to two of Motorhead's best!

[Anima Eternae]

Wait, you think Piece of Mind is one of their worst?

Where Eagles Dare, the Trooper, Flight of Icarus, the Trooper, Revelations, and To Tame a Land..

[Blaphbee]

Wait, you think Piece of Mind is one of their worst?

Where Eagles Dare, the Trooper, Flight of Icarus, the Trooper, Revelations, and To Tame a Land..
Piece of Mind didn't have what it took, IMHIV+O. It had a couple of brilliant songs, and a couple of absolutely atrocious tunes, but it didn't stack up as worthy of being in the canon. Not like Number of the Beast or Powerslave. Hit after fucking hit on those albums. PoM? Hit or miss, unfortunately.

[il ragno]

C'mon now, you can't compare two of Maiden's worst to two of Motorhead's best!

They came out roughly around the same time, which is why I made the comparison.

you can be an iconoclast all you want, but my fanboyish love for Maiden will never die. I see your point, but I still grew up with Maiden, and I didn't discover Motorhead until much later on. There's a sentimental attachment to Maiden that I can't shake.

Point taken and conceded.

[Anima Eternae]

Ruthless Reviews, generally known for thier...ruthless reviews....gave a good review of Brave New World.

http://ruthlessreviews.com/ironmaidenbravenewworld.html

couple of absolutely atrocious tunes

I dunno, I thought a few off Powerslave were pretty bad...(Losfer words, Flash of the Blade)...

[il ragno]

The problem with Bayley is that, in many ways, he was as much like the Marky Mark character in ROCK STAR as Ripper Owens. He lost whatever identity he'd had in Wolfsbane upon joining Maiden, where he didn't seem to have any identity at all...seemed overwhelmed by what he was expected to live up to. And I don't think he fully grasped that he was joining a corporation as much as a band - with a minimum-dollars-generated expectation that was far beyond the beer money he'd been playing for in the 'Bane. It must have been daunting for him. Periodically looking over his shoulder for Bruce's reappearance, and the dawning realization that he was essentially a human seatwarmer, couldn't have helped.

To be fair to Blaze, he hadn't started out in a Maidenesque band, and never made a smooth transition. Me, I'm one of these people who'd rather hear the new stuff live and the "fan favorites" used as garnish. But that's not really how the world works.

[Anima Eternae]

And in case it's news to anyone, Maiden will be back in the studio in spring 2006 to record their next album. It will be a concept album like Seventh Son.


I'm giddy as a schoolgirl.

[Anima Eternae]

"Journeyman" is the only acoustic/orchestral song Iron Maiden has ever done, and it's a perfect outro to the vigorous and warlike Dance of Death.

My album ratings:

IM: 4/5
Killers: 4/5
Number of the Beast: 4.5/5
Piece of Mind: 5/5
Powerslave: 5/5
Somewhere in Time: 2.5/5
Seventh Son: 5/5
No Prayer: 2/5
Fear of the Dark: 2.5/5
X Factor- 3.75/5
Virtual XI - 3.5/5
Brave New World - 4/5
Dance of Death - 3.25/5

[Anima Eternae]

I have upgraded my rating of "somewhere in time to 3/5" because Deju Vu kicks ass.

[Anarch]

Go Metallica!

:D

[jcs]

Go Metallica!
Iron Maiden and Metallica are both bands for homosexuals. This has been demonstrated beyond all doubt in laboratory tests.

[Anarch]

Iron Maiden and Metallica are both bands for homosexuals. This has been demonstrated beyond all doubt in laboratory tests.
Only a quasi Catholic child molester would say that.

[jcs]

Only a quasi Catholic child molester would say that.
Only a homosexual would use that tired old attack upon Catholicism. There have been both laboratory tests and surveys which justify this claim.

[Anarch]

Only a homosexual would use that tired old attack upon Catholicism. There have been both laboratory tests and surveys which justify this claim.
Prove it.

"my method for the discovery of truth: extrapolate theory of structure behind phenomena--rational understanding; test hypothesis; and if one's rationality still upholds, discover if the truth can be experienced on a 'spiritual' level, by which I mean experienced on a level beyond the merely rational (and, of course, physical)."

[jcs]

"my method for the discovery of truth: extrapolate theory of structure behind phenomena--rational understanding; test hypothesis; and if one's rationality still upholds, discover if the truth can be experienced on a 'spiritual' level, by which I mean experienced on a level beyond the merely rational (and, of course, physical)."
There is a difference between factual knowledge, which is correct or incorrect (in logic, 'true' or 'false'), and truth as I use the term. We were speaking of knowledge; think 'gnosis.'

[Intrepid]

I have upgraded my rating of "somewhere in time to 3/5" because Deju Vu kicks ass.

The courtier of Paris, Steve B, agrees wholeheartedly:

http://i1.tinypic.com/o9rfjm.jpg Fuck yeah, Anima!

[Ahknaton]

Iron Maiden and Metallica are both bands for homosexuals......to slag off on the Internet in order to gain some fake heavy-metal-connoisseur cachet.

[Anima Eternae]

Yeah, everyone knows Dimmu Borgir is where it's at.

[il ragno]

I actually listened to some Iron Maiden earlier today (KILLERS) and I gotta say it was all downhill for them after Wrathchild.

[jcs]

..to slag off on the Internet in order to gain some fake heavy-metal-connoisseur cachet.
I don't listen to metal anymore, so it might be difficult for me to be a connoisseur. But both bands are definately for homosexuals. Imaginary laboratory tests prove my claim. You've got nothing.

:p

[Anarch]

*vomits*

LOL you stopped listening to metal less than a week ago jcs.

[sainte-marthe]

Did you stop liking metal, or just listening to it?

[Member 198]

I don't listen to metal anymore...

Not even Burzum?! :( :( :(

[jcs]

LOL you stopped listening to metal less than a week ago jcs.
I stopped altogether fairly recently, yes, but aside from an album now and then, it's been about a month.

Did you stop liking metal, or just listening to it?
Metal is obnoxious. It's not High Culture, nor is it Folk Culture, so what is it? Counter-culture: a stage of nihilism which destroys the decadence within oneself, necessary to revaluate, to find something higher. Musically speaking. ;)

Not even Burzum?!
Richtig. I gave all my metal albums, purchased or copied, to my sister. Hopefully she'll stop listening to Slipknot and eventually develop an appreciation for better music.

[sainte-marthe]

Metal is obnoxious.

I'm not the biggest fan of the genre but I wouldn't say it's obnoxious.



It's not High Culture

No, it's not.


nor is it Folk Culture



Probably not.

Counter-culture: a stage of nihilism which destroys the decadence within oneself

Explain.

to find something higher. Musically speaking.

Sly and the Family Stone? They want to take you higher.

[O'Zebedee]

Sly and the Family Stone? They want to take you higher.

They also love everyday people.

[jcs]

I'm not the biggest fan of the genre but I wouldn't say it's obnoxious.
Well, this is obviously something quite subjective.
What can be said, and actually argued, is that metal is lacking in beauty as compared to many other musical genres.

Probably not.
Definately not. There are a few bands that were influenced by folk music, but even 'folk metal' is not folk music.

Explain.
Metal was rebellion against other musical trends and, ideologically speaking, a rejection of 'herd mentality,' 'death fear,' and other 'Judeo-Christian' values.
http://www.anus.com/metal/about/history/
http://www.anus.com/metal/about/philosophy/

Sly and the Family Stone?
No.

[sainte-marthe]

Well, this is obviously something quite subjective.






But you liked it 2 weeks ago?

What can be said, and actually argued, is that metal is lacking in beauty as compared to many other musical genres.

What defines musical beauty?


Definately not. There are a few bands that were influenced by folk music, but even 'folk metal' is not folk music.

No one told there was "folk metal". I have been told of "troll metal", though.

Metal was rebellion against other musical trends and, ideologically speaking, a rejection of 'herd mentality,' 'death fear,' and other 'Judeo-Christian' values.

I did not know that metal was an ideology.



No.

What, then?

[jcs]

But you liked it 2 weeks ago?
This wasn't an abrupt transition. I've been 'growing out' of metal for a long time; never really grew into it, in fact.
The only metal I was listening to two weeks ago was Amorphis, Sacramentum, Summoning, and Burzum, and a little bit of other stuff. That is, only the best metal.

What defines musical beauty?
A lack of screaming. :p

I did not know that metal was an ideology.
All good art has some sort of ideology. Think of it like theme in literature. Metal, being a movement (much as the Roman School or Romanticism could be considered movements, with styles and underlying ideologies), had an ideology.

[Péter]

I gave all my metal albums, purchased or copied, to my sister. Hopefully she'll stop listening to Slipknot and eventually develop an appreciation for better music.

Now you have to converse with her. Interaction with older siblings is necessary for healthy intellectual and spiritual development of the younger ones.

[Blaphbee]

I'd like to thank you all for destroying a perfectly servicable thread about Iron Maiden. Into the corner with the lot of you, and think about what you've done!

Jcs, I know you'll neg rep me for this post, and I couldn't care. Do your worst, nig-nog.

[jcs]

Jcs, I know you'll neg rep me for this post, and I couldn't care. Do your worst, nig-nog.
Actually, I wouldn't have thought of it if you hadn't brought it up. And I would neg-rep you, but I don't feel like wasting time spreading around reputation. :hump: :hump: :hump:

[Anima Eternae]

Did I mention Brave New World is a fucking awesome album?

[Blaphbee]

Did I mention Brave New World is a fucking awesome album?
You did, but I just can't agree with you.

:( :( :( :( :( :(

[Blaphbee]

Actually, I wouldn't have thought of it if you hadn't brought it up. And I would neg-rep you, but I don't feel like wasting time spreading around reputation. :hump: :hump: :hump:
Nice cop-out loser.

[girly-voice]"Oh, look at me!! I don't listen to all that icky nasty metal anymore!!! Tee hee! I'm the picture of sunshine and sheep-filled meadows!!!"[/girly-voice]

You fucking pansy. Own up to liking Maiden.

[Anima Eternae]

You did, but I just can't agree with you.


I doubt you've actually listened to the entire album multiple times :(

[Blaphbee]

Man, you have no idea how much I wanted to like that album. Adrian Smith is a bloody godsend. I just couldn't get into it. Owl Eyes is really starting to lose it, and Harris is a fucking whore.

[Anima Eternae]

Okay, what about Dance of Death?

[jcs]

Nice cop-out loser.

[girly-voice]"Oh, look at me!! I don't listen to all that icky nasty metal anymore!!! Tee hee! I'm the picture of sunshine and sheep-filled meadows!!!"[/girly-voice]

You fucking pansy. Own up to liking Maiden.
Go to hell, chef!!!!

[Blaphbee]

"Go to hell, chef!!!!"? Lame.:nono:

Dance of death? After the travesty of Brave New World, I couldn't bear the thought of watching the idols crash even further to the ground.

EDIT: happy? It's still lame.

[jcs]

"Go to hell, chef"? Lame.
You forgot the exclaimation marks. They rendered what I wrote un-lame.

[Die]

All bands are folk music.

Digital is here. The return of the composer.

:222:

[Anima Eternae]

Dance of death? After the travesty of Brave New World, I couldn't bear the thought of watching the idols crash even further to the ground.

Brave New World was awesome. N00b.


You should give Journeyman and Paschendale a listen, good shit. :D

[Blaphbee]

I am not a n00b! I am a free man!!


(AH, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.....)

[Anima Eternae]

My Iron Maiden shirt got me into a conversation with a bloke and his gf on the bus. We wallowed in our maiden 1337ness while all the n00bs had no clue what we were talking about.

He agreed Brave New World was awesome, but also didn't care for Dance of Death.

[il ragno]

I scratch my head at Anima's insistence on being both a Smooth Operator Gigolo Man and an Asshole In An Eddie Shirt. You may want to sit down and have a talk with yourself, Chu Hefner. You don't see Chow Yun-Fat chatting up any almond-eyed lovelies with a satin Loudness baseball jacket on, now do you? No you don't. That's because Chow Yun-Fat got it goin' on. Take note, Grasshopper.

[Anima Eternae]

I scratch my head at Anima's insistence on being both a Smooth Operator Gigolo Man and an Asshole In An Eddie Shirt.

They're not completely incongruent. Most people do think of wearing IM clothing as part of the ripped jeans grungy look, but it doesn't have to be like that. Besides, I only wear IM stuff twice a week. Rest of the time it's usually camo pants and a black wifebeater. It goes well with the shaved head look.


You gotta understand that "dressing nicely" around here implies wearing a shirt that has a collar. Blazers, nice coats, etc....that shit is unheard of. I enjoy dressing nicely (especially blazers), but it's just not that appropriate.

[Anima Eternae]

You know Blaphee, considering you're one of those "new maiden suxorz" guys, I'd figured you'd hate Seventh Son. I mean jesus, it's synthy! ;)

[Jimbo Gomez]

The Phora should have a rule that says if you trash Maiden, you're out.

Should be a rule on every decent forum actually.

[Blaphbee]

You know Blaphee, considering you're one of those "new maiden suxorz" guys, I'd figured you'd hate Seventh Son. I mean jesus, it's synthy! ;)
Naw, everything up to Adrian Smith's departure the first time around was exceptional. Seventh Son is fuggin masterful. Besides, synthy music is not inherently bad, if it's done well, as Seventh Son clearly shows.

Bands just tend to run out of steam over time, and Maiden just isn't the band they used to be. The shift they made from Dianno era to Dickenson era was a change, but I coped with it, and eventually came to love it. After Smith left, they shot themselves to shit and started churning out formulaic aestheticized copies of their older works that they knew would shanghai brainless kiddies into thinking they hadn't "lost it". The X factor was a load of shit, at first, then it grew on me, then turned into a load yet again. Virtual XI or whatever it was effectively killed them for me. I didn't even listen to them for several years after that came out, simply due to my own depression at what had happened to them.

Then came the news of Dickenson coming back, along with Smith returning to the fold, but they kept that prancing fool Gers around for some unknown reason. I thought it had potential, but I was let down yet again, and this time around, I actually had my hopes up, so it was a double whammy. They became an even bigger caricature of themselves then they used to be during the Fear of the Dark years.

Sadly, I just can't get it up for their new material. I wish I could, but then I look at that thought, and realize that I don't wish that, and am actually glad that I don't. I don't look down on fellows who do like that kind of slop, but it just isn't for me.

Charles Martel brings up a critical point in this discussion; I do believe that jcs will thus be first on the block?

[Anima Eternae]

Dance of Death is average at best, I shall concede (though Paschendale, Gates of Tommorow, and the title track are good).

Still unfathomable how you dislike Brave New World. Friggin' awesome. I guess we'll never reach a middle ground. :-X

[Anima Eternae]

Oh, and if you don't concede Sign of the Cross is fucking awesome, then you are hereby banished. :p

[Blaphbee]

I'll pull a David Irving and concede that the Holocaust did in fact happe...er, i mean, that song is tolerable.

[Anima Eternae]

I also enjoyed Fear of the Dark (song), Afraid to Shoot Strangers, and Childhood's end...even though Fear was not an impressive album by any means.


Worst album probably goes to No Prayer.

[Thomas777]

I also enjoyed Fear of the Dark (song), Afraid to Shoot Strangers, and Childhood's end...even though Fear was not an impressive album by any means.


Worst album probably goes to No Prayer.

I remember buying Fear of the Dark when it came out...I think it was my sophmore year in high school. All in all, not a bad album...far superior to Somewhere in Time, IMO.

However, the only Maiden I spin these days is the D'ianno stuff as well as Piece of Mind. D'ianno Maiden was way more raw...more traditional rock n roll...I prefer that to the Dickinson style.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Fear of the Dark was a good album.

[jcs]

Charles Martel brings up a critical point in this discussion; I do believe that jcs will thus be first on the block?
Silly fanboys.

[Anima Eternae]

Rime of the Ancient Mariner is an insanely long and good song.

[il ragno]

Some pretty blatant Maiden clones - respectively German, Swedish & Australian:

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/11773.jpg

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/14862.jpg

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/111294.jpg

[Anima Eternae]

I think the strongest case for the inferiority of the female mind is the observation that so few women have heard of Iron Maiden, much less appreciate them.

Our school's female constituency in the Iron Maiden group is 5% female...Green Day is about 50%.

[Anima Eternae]

Just got the "Death on the Road" DVD. Maiden still is amazing live, and to my surprise, Bruce on vocals for Blaze's stuff is amazing.

[sugartits]

I think the strongest case for the inferiority of the female mind is the observation that so few women have heard of Iron Maiden, much less appreciate them

What sad planet are you living on?

You should ignore your crappy schools crappy demographic. :p

[eggheadbanga]

In a previous career as a music journalist, I got flown to Paris by Bruce Dickinson. That was for the 'Chemical Wedding' solo album, which ain't half bad either, though you can't beat a good Piece of Mind now and again....

[Anima Eternae]

What sad planet are you living on?

You should ignore your crappy schools crappy demographic.

I was watching the "Death on the Road DVD" and the interviews with fans section. I'm overjoyed to see so many young UK kids into Maiden (early teens). You don't see that shit anywhere here in the states.

There were a few good lookers in the crowd, too. :D

[Anima Eternae]

Dance of Death has now surpassed Brave New World for me. Took a few months, but I've grown quite fond of this album.

[Anima Eternae]

Downloaded some of Bruce's solo stuff (Chemical Wedding, Tyranny of Souls).

Not bad at all.

[Jake Featherston]

In my opinion, quite simply the best band ever.


If you disagree with me you are wrong.

Personally, I prefer Laibach and Johnny Cash, plus maybe a handful of others, but Iron Fucking Maiden, as we all used to call them during the 80s, is one of the absolute best bands of all time, no question what-so-ever. The first concert I ever went to was July 3rd, 1985 (age: 14) at the San Jose Civic Center. Iron Maiden on the glorious "Powerslave Tour." They played "Cross-Eyed Mary" by Jethro Tull, which was a surprise. W.A.S.P. opened up for them; they sucked. I also saw Iron Maiden (along with Y&T and Tesla, plus some really worthless opening act that we skipped out on), during the "Somewhere in Time Tour," back in '87. They rocked hard both times, I can assure you.

[Jake Featherston]

Do you like the Powerslave track?

"Powerslave" is an excellent song, as well as a great album (a lot of people didn't care for it when it came out in '84, but that's all ancient history). The guitars at the very beginning of "Back in the Village" make me want to stand up and just vibrate my body like a friggin' spastic case each and every single time I hear them.

[Jake Featherston]

The Phora should have a rule that says if you trash Maiden, you're out.

Should be a rule on every decent forum actually.

Don't just talk about it, man! Use your administrative powers and make it effectively hapen! If you don't like Maiden, you probably don't like women either (except for Il Ragno; he's cleverly managed to somehow square that circle).

[Anima Eternae]

Personally, I prefer Laibach and Johnny Cash, plus maybe a handful of others, but Iron Fucking Maiden, as we all used to call them during the 80s, is one of the absolute best bands of all time, no question what-so-ever. The first concert I ever went to was July 3rd, 1985 (age: 14) at the San Jose Civic Center. Iron Maiden on the glorious "Powerslave Tour." They played "Cross-Eyed Mary" by Jethro Tull, which was a surprise. W.A.S.P. opened up for them; they sucked. I also saw Iron Maiden (along with Y&T and Tesla, plus some really worthless opening act that we skipped out on), during the "Somewhere in Time Tour," back in '87. They rocked hard both times, I can assure you.

I will hopefully get to see them sometime in 2006 or 2007.

"Powerslave" is an excellent song, as well as a great album

Agreed. I love the guitar sound for the Powerslave album. More crisp sounding than PoM or TNotB.

Seventh Son is also great. I've also grown attached to Dance of Death, despite it being a very acquired taste.

[Jake Featherston]

I think the strongest case for the inferiority of the female mind is the observation that so few women have heard of Iron Maiden, much less appreciate them.

Our school's female constituency in the Iron Maiden group is 5% female...Green Day is about 50%.

I won't bother constructring a sentence containing the word "inverse relationship"; the more female fans a band has, the more suckass they are. Period. That's why (c)rap "music" is so awful; because nearly every featherless biped with a vagina digs it.

[Jake Featherston]

On Thursday, May 18, 2006, I was driving through my old neighborhood (north Los Gatos, down Lark Avenue) and I saw a White kid, couldn't have been older than 12, wearing an Iron Maiden t-shirt! Fuck yeah!

[Anima Eternae]

I won't bother constructring a sentence containing the word "inverse relationship"; the more female fans a band has, the more suckass they are. Period. That's why (c)rap "music" is so awful; because nearly every featherless biped with a vagina digs it.

I'm saving this quote. :p

[Jimbo Gomez]

I agree with the mamzer. Only fags hate Maiden.


The truth of this post is so eternal that I received rep for it today, two years after I have posted it.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

There is a strong Iron Maiden influence in my band's music. This is primarily b/c the rhythm guitarist and bassist idolize Helloween, which idolized Maiden. I have an MP3 available for those interested.

[kultron]

The most overrated metal band of all time. Well, 2nd maybe. Metallica takes the first.

[Jake Featherston]

The most overrated metal band of all time. Well, 2nd maybe. Metallica takes the first.

Metallica is hugely over-rated, but their first 3-4 albums ("...And Justice for All" is questionable, and it came out in 1987) are freakin' excellent. But they've done very little of note in the last two decades.

Iron Maiden is one of the best bands ever, but their best stuff came out nearly a quarter of a century ago ("Piece of Mind" and "Powerslave"). Some people (Il Ragno is one) like to say they prefer Paul DiAnno Maiden (I think that was his name) to Bruce Dickinson Maiden, but I've always suspected that's something of a pose people assume so they will appear enigmatic. Although "Wrathchild" and a few other tunes from the pre-Dickinson period were pretty good.

[il ragno]

Some people (Il Ragno is one) like to say they prefer Paul DiAnno Maiden (I think that was his name) to Bruce Dickinson Maiden, but I've always suspected that's something of a pose people assume so they will appear enigmatic.

Actually that has a lot to do with how little I like Bruce-era, Corporate Machine Maiden. And those vocals...! Can't deal with The Velvet Foghorn, sorry.

It's pretty funny, reading all the daily anti-corporate iconoclasm at this website, mostly by people whose voices drop to an awed hush when discussing this band, who embody "product tailored to the marketplace" more than any other rock band in recent memory except for Kiss (another processed-cheese snack).