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that guy
02-16-2007, 06:39 PM
Anybody have any good suggestions? Something for recording guitar/vocals/effects/drums/etc.

Thx.

Winston
02-16-2007, 06:53 PM
You might want to look into Marantz as a brand. A friend just bought a solid state digital recorder which is pretty slick.

Dr. Gutberlet
02-16-2007, 07:00 PM
I would very much recommend you use your pc and some good software like Cakewalk. My rhythm guitarist has a nice setup in his home for recording on a pc. A god laptop coupled with software is the best way to go. My dream though is to record everything analog, on an old Studer machine- best sound quality IMO. If you want an outboard device, check out a few of these:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/home/navigation?q=digital+recorders

that guy
02-16-2007, 07:14 PM
Thanks guys. Actually, I was thinking about the pc/software combo when I made this thread. The question is what exactly should I get. Does Cakewalk come with some kind of hardware? I need some way to plug my guitar/vocals/etc. into the computer (I have a G4 iBook).

I used to have a software/hardware combo called "session" (at least that is the name of the software). I still have it at my parents place back in Israel, but I might want something better/newer, with more options for drums and stuff.

Here is a google picture of session that I found:

http://webdevelopersjournal.com/gifs/sess1.gif

It was kind of cool, for a basic recording device. I got it in the mid 90's.

Dr. Gutberlet
02-16-2007, 09:34 PM
Thanks guys. Actually, I was thinking about the pc/software combo when I made this thread. The question is what exactly should I get. Does Cakewalk come with some kind of hardware? I need some way to plug my guitar/vocals/etc. into the computer (I have a G4 iBook).

I used to have a software/hardware combo called "session" (at least that is the name of the software). I still have it at my parents place back in Israel, but I might want something better/newer, with more options for drums and stuff.

Here is a google picture of session that I found:

http://webdevelopersjournal.com/gifs/sess1.gif

It was kind of cool, for a basic recording device. I got it in the mid 90's.

Guy, all you would need is a USB port or MIDI adapter for USB with which to run your instruments/microphones/outboard rack gear, etc. into the computer.

Dodge Viper
02-17-2007, 01:33 PM
Yea, just D.I the Guitar straight in. Cubase is a decent programme and fairly easy to use.

Hakluyt
02-17-2007, 03:55 PM
Various software I use and recommend: Steinberg Cubase & Wavelab, Reason 3, Ableton Live, and about 10 different programs by Native Instruments - Reaktor 5 in particular.

that guy
02-19-2007, 05:16 AM
Okay, so I went to 'guitar center' today, and this is one combination that was suggested to me:


Software: PRO TOOLS M POWERED 7:

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProToolsMPowered71-main.html

http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/product_pics/big/ptmp7.jpg

Compatible to my G4 iBook, and according to the 'guitar center' guy, a "standard" software in the "music business". Seems to be a bit cheaper, and perhaps simpler than some of the other options. Cost – 250$.




Hardware: M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB Audio Interface:

http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOFTRACKPRO

http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/fit,400by400/quality,85/brand,zzounds/FastTrackPro_3qtr-3af7336421592a13591832cccbf6c962.jpg

200$. There is a cheaper option (100$), that doesn't have the MIDI feature, which apparently would be important if I wanted to add a synthesizer, drums, or what not. I'm not sure if I really need the 200$ one, or even the 100$ one, but on the other hand, I don't know if a simple adaptor would be adequate.

Did anybody here ever use/hear about these items?




P.S. I will also need a microphone:

http://www.bswusa.com/proditem.asp?item=PERCEPTION-100

100$.

http://www.bswusa.com/assets/product_images/large/akg_perception100-2pk.jpg

Mentious
02-19-2007, 05:22 AM
Pro Tools is, verily, the industry standard for digital recording. Most of the serious musicians, the ones who create music for T.V. and movies, use Pro Tools. You'll have something with endless headroom to grow. And you also need to have that M-Box as your interface to your computer. I just got ProTools and the M-Box too, but couldn't install it because my computer actually didn't have enough RAM. When I get some more RAM, I'll install it and start fiddling with it. There are courses you can take in Pro Tools, which is probably worth it.

That mic will probably be perfectly adequate for your needs for a while.

that guy
02-19-2007, 05:25 AM
Cool. Thanks.

Dr. Gutberlet
02-19-2007, 05:39 AM
Apple started the myth of Pro Tools. Yes, it is a good program. However, by no means is it some magical item.

that guy
02-19-2007, 05:44 AM
Well, I don't need it to be mythical. I just want it to be good. The other options were actually more expensive (though I am sure there are cheaper ones too).

tempus fugit
02-19-2007, 05:55 AM
I totally agree with Julian. Pro Tools is the gold standard currently in recording equipment.

Mentious
02-19-2007, 06:13 AM
I'm not disagreeing with Post #11. But everybody I've ever met or spoken to seriously into composing and recording, from Kip Winger (of the 80's band "Winger", now into composing in modern classical music genres) to people who write music for T.V. says "Pro Tools, Pro Tools, Pro Tools." I hear other programs mentioned, too, but not by the more serious musicians. Their M-Box alone is a must-have if you're going to do music to the computer.

Since your post says "equipment" instead of software, I may as well admit to you I dislike "mousing around" for music, and prefer real, tactile, analog equipment to do my recording. Maybe someday I'll get proficient with pure software recording method, but for now I use this:

http://julianlee.com/images/Tascam.jpg

It's a 24-track digital Tascam (2488). I was multi-tracking on it within 20 minutes of getting it out of the box. Easy to use. I don't think you'll be able to say that about your first hours with Pro Tools. But I could be wrong. These are going for about 800 bucks now. But it certainly doesn't have the wide open potential of Pro Tools. I think you CAN export the .wav files created on this Tascam, however, onto your computer and work with them in ProTools later. It also has the MIDI thing.

that guy
02-24-2007, 06:10 PM
BTW, I eventually bought the Mbox2 mini with Pro Tools LE. I actually got it (together with a new mic) on Monday, but I didn't really have that much free time this week. However, I did start to record stuff, and I'm pretty happy with it. Unfortunately, I won't have enough time to do serious recordings, but the potential is there. The editing functions look pretty cool, even though I only know how to use the basic tools for now.

I think I'll buy a cheap bass guitar, because I could probably play bass well enough for recording basic stuff, and well, obviously bass adds depth to a song. I might also get a keyboard just for variety. On the other hand, I really can't afford to spend too much time playing around with this stuff, so maybe I'll just get the bass for now.

Anyway, thanks for the good advice. I would recommend the Mbox2 mini to anybody that is starting to record music, and has 300$ to spare.

http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?langid=100&navid=114&itemid=4962

http://akmedia.digidesign.com/products/images/mbox2mini1_12254.jpg

http://www.midlandsaudioinstitute.com/pro_tools_le_audio.jpg

Mentious
02-24-2007, 08:32 PM
So Guy, was it very easy to actually get something recorded on this? How difficult was it to hear something back?

that guy
02-25-2007, 02:13 AM
So Guy, was it very easy to actually get something recorded on this? How difficult was it to hear something back?
It's probably easier than you think, JL. I did have some minor experience with a similar type of software (10 years ago, for a few months), but I am by no means an expert. What I did was this:

1) I browsed through the PDF file that they give you, and made some minor changes to the configuration of my Mac (e.g. some changes in the 'system prefrences').

2) I downloaded the software to my computer. There were no problems.

3) I opened the software.

4) I generated a new session.

5) I added tracks (there is a 'track' menu on the top).

6) I plugged in my guitar and mic (actually I may have done this earlier, I don't remember).

7) I played around with the buttons and the volumes on the Mbox.

8) I could hear my instruments on my headphones.



Then, I started to record..

There are two general windows: an edit window, and a mix window. The edit window enables you to cut and paste portions of your song, to loop an area in order to perfect it (very helpful for writing a new part, or for trying different things), etc., and the mix window obviously enables you to mix the song.

In order to record, you have to enable the record function in the track you are going to use (press the r button on the left in the edit window), and then you just press record and play like in any recorder.

After I did this, I realized that I also got a free instructional DVD, which I will use when I have time (I already watched most of it, but I will need to watch it again).

One problem I had was that sometimes the record function didn't work. Because I am impatient, I "solved" this problem in an unconventional (and sub-optimal) way by simply duplicating tracks in which the record function does work. This worked for me, but I am sure there is a better way to solve this problem.

One thing I still want to do is to find the drum sounds (assuming there are drum sounds), because drums are the one thing that I don't have. I just bought a Squier bass, and it sounds pretty decent.


http://www.coutant.org/protools/protool6.gif

^ This picture is a bit different from what I have, but the basic tools are the same.

Mentious
02-25-2007, 02:54 AM
This is very helpful Guy. It will help me a lot when I finally get mine installed, which I hope is soon. I owe you one. JL

that guy
02-27-2007, 08:08 PM
^ No problem. Feel free to ask more questions when you get it. If you have never worked with a similar type of software, you would probably enjoy the ability to have your eyes help your ears in the editing process (the editing window is basically a visualization of the music).

Meanwhile, does anybody know how to convert files to MP3's (or to anything an ipod would recognize)? I know you can buy software for converting files to MP3's, but is there an alternative?

Dr. Gutberlet
02-27-2007, 08:42 PM
Some info:

http://www.geeks.com/techtips/2006/convert-audio-files-to-mp3.htm


Download the software for free via Bit Torrent:


http://isohunt.com/torrents?ihq=dbpoweramp

that guy
02-28-2007, 12:44 AM
Some info:

http://www.geeks.com/techtips/2006/convert-audio-files-to-mp3.htm


Download the software for free via Bit Torrent:


http://isohunt.com/torrents?ihq=dbpoweramp
Thanks, Dr., but that requires some special downloading software. I was utterly impatient, so I just googled 'MP3 converter', and downloaded anything I could find. This tactic seemed to work, because I was able to convert my file into MP3, and load it onto my ipod. The name of the software is 'Switch', btw, and it is compatible with Macs.

PS. My keyboard isn't working. I'm quite exhausted from typing this.

Dr. Gutberlet
02-28-2007, 01:01 AM
Thanks, Dr., but that requires some special downloading software. I was utterly impatient, so I just googled 'MP3 converter', and downloaded anything I could find. This tactic seemed to work, because I was able to convert my file into MP3, and load it onto my ipod. The name of the software is 'Switch', btw, and it is compatible with Macs.

PS. My keyboard isn't working. I'm quite exhausted from typing this.

Glad to hear you were able to do it. The software you need to dl torrents is Azureus(but one of mnay torrent programs):

http://azureus.sourceforge.net/

that guy
06-09-2007, 09:44 PM
I bought a keyboard.

See here: http://www.shopping.com/xPO-Yamaha-Yamaha-Psr-E403-61-Key-Portable-Keyboard

that guy
06-30-2007, 05:15 AM
I decided to buy a decent acoustic guitar, and the one that caught my ear is a Taylor 314ce. It's pretty expensive, though. It costs around 1,600$.

Does anybody here know much about this or similar guitars? Also, does anybody have experience buying used guitars (e.g. from ebay)? Would that be a good idea?

thx

http://www.zzounds.com/item--TAY314CE

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/8/5/6/271856.jpg

The guitar on ebay:

http://search.ebay.com/314ce_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40

il ragno
06-30-2007, 05:25 AM
My brother-in-law's a classical guitarist who only plays Martins, and the only time he paid that much for one was when buying a specific-year vintage Martin in flawless condition.

Try this site if all you're looking for is a decent, rather than pedigree, guitar:

http://www.zzounds.com/cat--Acoustic-Guitars--2561

that guy
06-30-2007, 05:34 AM
My brother-in-law's a classical guitarist who only plays Martins, and the only time he paid that much for one was when buying a specific-year vintage Martin in flawless condition.

Try this site if all you're looking for is a decent, rather than pedigree, guitar:

http://www.zzounds.com/cat--Acoustic-Guitars--2561
Aye, thanks. The Taylor 314ce sounds great. I just played it earlier today.


From your link:

http://www.zzounds.com/prodsearch?q=taylor+314ce&button=search%2Fheader&form=search

il ragno
06-30-2007, 05:41 AM
Yeah. In all honesty, my brother-in-law assembled his collection in the 80s; I'll assume the 1000 or 1500 bucks he routinely paid then would be twice that now, so....maybe 1600 is "reasonable" these days.

Johnson
06-30-2007, 09:49 AM
But everybody I've ever met or spoken to seriously into composing and recording, from Kip Winger (of the 80's band "Winger",

This is funny on so many different levels. There's something about you citing buttrock so seriously that's.. well, fitting.

http://www.mtv.com/onair/beavisandbutthead/personality_images/relaunch_crops/281x211_stewart.jpg

Do you also know Don Dokken?

Seriously though, folks - Ratt.

marlowe
06-30-2007, 03:34 PM
I decided to buy a decent acoustic guitar, and the one that caught my ear is a Taylor 314ce. It's pretty expensive, though. It costs around 1,600$.

Does anybody here know much about this or similar guitars? Also, does anybody have experience buying used guitars (e.g. from ebay)? Would that be a good idea?

Taylors are great all-around guitars. Buy a case humidifier. You could save a bunch of money buying one used from Ebay or other sources. A Taylor case is very sturdy, so having one shipped to you is nothing to worry about.

You might consider a guitar with a smaller than dreadnought body for recording, though. Recording acoustic guitar is complicated, and what your ear hears isn't quite what makes it to a track. A smaller guitar can have more focus in a mix. Your playing style is a big factor, too, i.e. jangly-strumming vs. articulate fingerstyle. These would require totally different mic placements and tracking method.

IMO, if you mean to have one mic do everything, then a tube mic will give you the best results. You could probably find a decent used one for $1,500. Sounds expensive, but it's key if you mean for it to sound good...especially for acoustic guitar and/or vocals. A nice tube mic will make you sound tall and handsome.

that guy
06-30-2007, 04:04 PM
Taylors are great all-around guitars. Buy a case humidifier. You could save a bunch of money buying one used from Ebay or other sources. A Taylor case is very sturdy, so having one shipped to you is nothing to worry about.
Pardon my ignorance, but how exactly does ebay work? This 314ce, for example, has a 500$ current "bid". That's pretty low.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Taylor-314CE-Acoustic-Guitar_W0QQitemZ300125598500QQihZ020QQcategoryZ33031QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You might consider a guitar with a smaller than dreadnought body for recording, though. Recording acoustic guitar is complicated, and what your ear hears isn't quite what makes it to a track. A smaller guitar can have more focus in a mix.
Do you have a specific model in mind (something that sounds like a Taylor, perhaps)?

Your playing style is a big factor, too, i.e. jangly-strumming vs. articulate fingerstyle. These would require totally different mic placements and tracking method.

IMO, if you mean to have one mic do everything, then a tube mic will give you the best results. You could probably find a decent used one for $1,500. Sounds expensive, but it's key if you mean for it to sound good...especially for acoustic guitar and/or vocals. A nice tube mic will make you sound tall and handsome.
If I spend 1,500 on a mic, then I should probably get my guitar on ebay. :eek:

that guy
06-30-2007, 04:43 PM
Actually, now that I think about it, I really should start buying gear on ebay, because I need to get quite a few things.

Basically, I will eventually be upgrading to a "decent level" on the following: an acoustic guitar, an electric guitar, a mic, a bass, a keyboard, and perhaps a drum machine. The only way I could afford to do this in the next few months (years?) is if I buy them on ebay (or the likes).

Mentious
06-30-2007, 05:17 PM
This is funny on so many different levels. There's something about you citing buttrock so seriously that's.. well, fitting.
(Note--This is a long answer folks, but you might like to read it because I get to trash the trash here. This queer has been getting a little uppity lately.)

I've not heard of "butt rock." Your idea? Why are you preoccupied with the rear ends of males, Vinny? Seriously, you are the most notable sodomist on Phora. I'll answer you now, and on "many different levels" since you are such a thoughtful and deep queer (you even have "levels." Wow!):

I didn't know anything about the band "Winger", except that once while visiting my sister many years ago I saw a video on MTV featuring them. I forgot about it. Some years ago I got a call from a "Kip Winger." He was interested in a locational recommendation, which is my astrological specialty. He told me he'd had a successful band in the '80's. One always wants to show some cultural awareness, to know something about somebody with any fame. I was thinking "Winger, Winger...Where have I heard that...?" Finally recalled the video and told him, "Oh, I believe I've seen you," even if it was a pretty thin awareness.

When I got the chance I picked his brain a little about digital recording equipment. This was the first time I heard the words "Pro Tools." This thread is about digital recording/Pro Tools, etc. I mentioned his name to back up, with some personal evidence, my statement that Pro Tools is in wide use.
There's something about you citing [Winger] so seriously...
Kip Winger's opinion about recording technology can certainly be taken seriously. He was an industry recording artist, and has made albums since "Winger" as well. I learned that he owned his own up-to-date home studio. His knowledge of recording software and equipment seemed extensive.

He was also a very intelligent, thoughtful man, now big into modern classical music, both the composers and the composing. He sent me some of his CDs' including old Winger CDs. I listened a little to one. What I heard was better than most stuff of that genre. Melodic, musically tight, and more composed and creative than what I heard with your "Ratt." Kip also struck me as a solidly heterosexual White man. He had a wife or woman in his life, and was a caring father. I thought the guy was pretty cool.
Do you also know Don Dokken? Seriously though, folks - Ratt.
No I don't know Don Doken, and am not even sure who he is. As to Ratt, all I know about them is their look and general sound, Kiss-like dreck. By the time that scene had developed in the 1980's, I was thoroughly disgusted with pop music and was not following it. Glad to have missed it!

But you appear to know all about these groups, "Johnson." I also notice from your contributions to "What Are You Listening To" that your main interest in music is pervert bands.

Now Vinny: On how many "levels" was that "funny"? So what do you think about ProTools, Big Vinny? Do you have any opinions about Neve or Fearn preamps? I didn't think so. Well then, why do you gays think that anal sex is human or sane? I've always wondered. I saw you coin a phrase "buttrock." What the hell is buttrock? And are all gays obsessed by anal sex and the male rear end in every waking moment? I would really like you to tell me. Isn't it like being in hell?

Hippias
06-30-2007, 07:30 PM
This response to you was, well, "fitting" wasn't it Big Vinny?

Your response was absurd, longwinded and full of juvenile insults. Big Vinny will get a kick out of it.

When someone pokes fun at or criticizes you, you flip your lid and accuse the poster of being a homosexual. You have done this in flame wars with Keystone (who you called a "motherfucking faggot"), Bridegroom of Hate and Big Vinny. There is no basis for your accusations. You make yourself appear childish and irrational by making them.

It annoys me to see a man of your high scruples sink to the level of your gadflies by throwing a temper tantrum and making a post of this nature. Get a grip on yourself and learn to ignore the insults. It's very easy to do this. What difference does it make if a total stranger on the internet insults or makes fun of you?

You should consider broadening your self-restaint message to include your temper.

Mentious
06-30-2007, 08:53 PM
Your response was absurd, longwinded...
Tough luck. Stories take a little time. (Most of my post was relating a personal story, very little was directed to "Vinny.") I thought the story about knowing a former pop star would be interesting to some of you. I notice that you read it all with interest. I'll summarize it for you if my basic point went past you:

Whereas I have not actually been into any of the bands Big Vinny mentioned, he is in fact deeply engrossed in their stinkier offshoots, 10 times more perverse and bizarre. He's a diehard fan of this stuff.

There Hippias. But that was not as interesting, was it? (It was also not adequate self-defense, or as credible a statement without those details. It's easy to throw mud at a wall, but a lot of work to clean it off.)

...and full of juvenile insults.
I always deal with his type at his own level. I don't like gay trolls, who's primary technique is to accuse you of being what they are (which is what Vinny did in his post, and has done consistently in all his posts to me since I started posting here). He doesn't like me because I am an open critic of homosexuality and a racialist. I consider moral insults to be high slander, and I keep gay trolls on a short leash. He is the only one assigned to me lately, so I thought I would concentrate a bit on him. Because he's getting uppity. My technique tends to work, by the way.
You should consider broadening your self-restaint message to include your temper.
Since when am I supposed to be all things to you? My scruples include being fire to rotters and I don't take kindly to gross slander, which is what his post was, and every one of his posts about me the past year. In such cases temper is virtue; temper is high scruples.
When someone pokes fun at or criticizes you, you flip your lid and accuse the poster of being a homosexual.
Actually, I have been silent about Vinny's repeated slanders and gross personal insults for a quite some time. But learn to read. Accusing me of being a homosexual was what he was doing. With him, there's evidence for it; with me, none. Yet I have never done same in any thread with any man, anywhere at Phora, except defensively when done to me. I always will dish it right back because I think that's bad behavior that hurts a lot of decent young men. They should always be stung back, for the sake of other men and not just my reputation.

Anyway, one of the Phora's nicest Jewish guys started this friendly and clean thread. Guy is cool. I participated sincerely. Then the Phora's nastiest Jew had to come and shit in the middle of the room. Complain about that.

If that was too "long winded" for you, I'll summarize it: Shutup.

marlowe
06-30-2007, 09:39 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but how exactly does ebay work? This 314ce, for example, has a 500$ current "bid". That's pretty low.

The current bid is one increment above the 2nd highest bidder. So, if the increment is $5, and the second highest bidder's max bid is $500, and the first highest bidder's max is $1,500, his current bid will only be $505. As others bid higher, approaching $1,500, the "current bid" will increase above the 2nd highest bidder's max bid until it exceeds the max of $1,500. Easer to understand than to explain.

Also, it's useful to view completed auctions under the "seller research" section to get an idea of true closing prices, as opposed to asking prices.

Do you have a specific model in mind (something that sounds like a Taylor, perhaps)?

Taylor's GE, GA, and GC models are smaller. You might also look into a "big baby", not to be confused with a "baby". They sound great and are inexpensive...probably under $500. Also, consider whether you need to buy a guitar with electronics on board. Unless you mean to play gigs, you probably don't need it, so you can save hundreds by getting one without. I saw numerous dreadnaught models on Ebay just now in the $600 range without electronics. A used guitar without electronics and with some superficial damage will be inexpensive and will hold its value well.


If I spend 1,500 on a mic, then I should probably get my guitar on ebay. :eek:

try this forum (http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/f/43/2845/) to get info about mic placement for acoustic guitar, and guitar body size. Lots of info about tube mic's too. I think that the microphone is the most important link in the chain. Great gear with a mediocre mic will yield only a mediocre sound. It's like guitar amps...a cheap Telecaster through a Victoria or vintage Fender amp will sound much better than a premium guitar through a cheap amp.

If your goal is to simply track a decent sounding acoustic guitar, then this may be too much information. If your goal is to reproduce a beautiful acoustic guitar tone, then there's some studying and cost involved. Regarding cost, if you buy instruments and gear that holds its value well, then you can always get out from under it with a low net cost.

that guy
07-01-2007, 06:57 PM
The current bid is one increment above the 2nd highest bidder. So, if the increment is $5, and the second highest bidder's max bid is $500, and the first highest bidder's max is $1,500, his current bid will only be $505. As others bid higher, approaching $1,500, the "current bid" will increase above the 2nd highest bidder's max bid until it exceeds the max of $1,500. Easer to understand than to explain.
That's clear, but I still need to get more info on ebay. I'll do that next week.

Taylor's GE, GA, and GC models are smaller. You might also look into a "big baby", not to be confused with a "baby". They sound great and are inexpensive...probably under $500. Also, consider whether you need to buy a guitar with electronics on board. Unless you mean to play gigs, you probably don't need it, so you can save hundreds by getting one without. I saw numerous dreadnaught models on Ebay just now in the $600 range without electronics. A used guitar without electronics and with some superficial damage will be inexpensive and will hold its value well.
Would the electronics not be useful for recording?

try this forum (http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/f/43/2845/) to get info about mic placement for acoustic guitar, and guitar body size. Lots of info about tube mic's too. I think that the microphone is the most important link in the chain. Great gear with a mediocre mic will yield only a mediocre sound. It's like guitar amps...a cheap Telecaster through a Victoria or vintage Fender amp will sound much better than a premium guitar through a cheap amp.

If your goal is to simply track a decent sounding acoustic guitar, then this may be too much information. If your goal is to reproduce a beautiful acoustic guitar tone, then there's some studying and cost involved. Regarding cost, if you buy instruments and gear that holds its value well, then you can always get out from under it with a low net cost.
I want to reproduce a beautiful acoustic guitar tone, but I also want my other instruments to sound good, especially an electric guitar, bass, and drums. If I can only spend ~ 4,000$ in the next year or so, then I might want to do something like this:

1. Acoustic guitar: a Taylor from ebay @ around 750.

2. Electric guitar from ebay (assuming I will like ebay) @ around 1,250.

3. Bass @ around 600.

4. Mic @ around 700 (???).

5. Keyboard or drum machine @ 400 - 1,000.

Total ~~~ 3,700 - 4,300.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 12:50 AM
I always deal with his type at his own level. I don't like gay trolls, who's primary technique is to accuse you of being what they are (which is what Vinny did in his post, and has done consistently in all his posts to me since I started posting here).

So your entire basis for claiming that Big Vinny is a homosexual is the application of Sigmund Freud's theory of psychological projection to his comments? That is ludicrous. You could just as easily subject your own (hysterical, knee-jerk) comments in this thread to a Freudian analysis and say they're "projections" of latent, repressed homosexual desires.

I agree that Big Vinny is trolling, but nothing he has said indicates that he's a homosexual. Nothing indicates that he's Jewish, either. You are making yourself appear foolish, Julian.

If that was too "long winded" for you, I'll summarize it: Shutup.

You took the gloves off sooner than I expected, Julian. There was no reason to be uncivil towards me. You are immature, mega-sensitive and just as guilty of "projecting" your own latent desires as you claim Big Vinny is.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 02:16 AM
There was no reason to be uncivil towards me.
There was indeed.
You are immature...
I am mature where it counts, and you are not my mentor.
...mega-sensitive...
I respect myself.
...just as guilty of "projecting" your own latent desires...
You babble. I have no "latent desires." I just like to knock the heads of hissing cretins.

I didn't read the rest of your post. However, anybody who defames me (or anybody else) with absurd charges of homosexuality gets it fed right back in the mouth, three times over and racheted up crosswise. (Especially the ones who actually are, like Big Vinny.) That's how I deal with that crap, and always will, so live with it. By the way, it works. It does work.

I cut a wide berth here, not just for myself, but for other decent men. If a few anonymous jerks who post here are not going to keep it couth, I won't post here. Are you the next one starting that nasty game? (And here I used to think you were intelligent.)

Hippias
07-03-2007, 02:24 AM
....[A]nybody who defames me (or anybody else) with absurd charges of homosexuality gets it fed right back in the mouth, three times over and racheted up crosswise. (Especially the ones who actually are, like Big Vinny.)

You have not established that Big Vinny is a homosexual. You have assumed that he is, because he has facetiously insinuated that you are.

Lily
07-03-2007, 02:28 AM
Big Vinny is not homosexual. :rofl:

Mentious
07-03-2007, 02:38 AM
Does anybody know why this "Aurora" is posting my IP address in this thread?
Hey nitwit, you can also get my picture, my phone number, and my residence off the internet, too. But why are you taking it upon yourself to post my I.P.? Just curious.
Big Vinny is not homosexual. :rofl:
Big Vinny is clearly a gay troll. That's been obvious from day one. For one thing, he's obsessed with sodomy and anal things. For another, most of his favorite bands are gay bands and he's always waving them in our face. There are other reasons I believe this. And yet I leave him be, except when he gets to hissing at me, and even then I usually give him my tolerance, more than he deserves. (Isn't that what they want?) Gay trolls consider me an important target. I smell them a mile away. I've never accused any man here of moral turpitude except as defense. Big Vinny does it in most every post he makes about me, and this is a classic technique that gay and multi-culti trolls use to discredit both racialists, and moralists. I am both.
You have not established that Big Vinny is a homosexual. You have assumed that he is, because he has facetiously insinuated that you are.
I'm "establishing it" in the very same way that he is "establishing it." (Through sheer unfounded accusation.) Fair is fair. If he doesn't want to get stepped on, he shouldn't hiss, bite, etc.

On the other hand, I'm psychic, so I have an advantage. I'll tell you all about him.

Lily
07-03-2007, 02:54 AM
Does anybody know why this "Aurora" is posting my IP address in this thread?
Hey nitwit, you can also get my picture, my phone number, and my residence off the internet. But why are you posting my I.P. Just curious.

Oh dear. No-one can see your IP address except for yourself (If you read it carefully there is a disclaimer, also it's my signature, I didn't post it). It's a little internet trick. It's not very gentlemanly to call someone a 'nitwit' without having all of the facts, and I thought you prided yourself on that. :rolleyes:

Mentious
07-03-2007, 02:55 AM
Why should I be a gentleman to an anonymous nitwit who has placed my I.P. address in her signature for no apparent reason? What have you done to deserve to get within 100 miles of any gentleman?

Oh dear.

Draco
07-03-2007, 02:57 AM
Why should I be a gentleman to an anonymous nitwit who has placed my I.P. address in her signature for no apparent reason? What have you done to deserve to get within 100 miles of any gentleman, snipe?

Oh dear.


It's a little program some people place in their sig. It displays your ISP, your OS, and whatever browser you're using. Seemingly every forum has a few people with it, it's harmless.

Lily
07-03-2007, 02:59 AM
Why should I be a gentleman to an anonymous nitwit who has placed my I.P. address in her signature for no apparent reason? What have you done to deserve to get within 100 miles of any gentleman?

Oh dear.
Read very carefully.

I did not place your IP in my signature.

No one can see your IP but you, I see my own.

There is a disclaimer.

It is a trick, a joke, a bit of fun. Harmless. No one has access to your information.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 02:59 AM
Oh I see, it's just a little Scorpio trying to play head games and power plays because she didn't like to see one her favorite gays get challenged after he defecated in the middle of the room.
For your statement to hold true I'd have had to have put that in my signature just now, as it happens it's been there for weeks, probably months.
O.K., I'll meet you in outer space, Scorpionette.

Lily
07-03-2007, 03:00 AM
You read to much into things. It's just a bit of fun, I saw it on another forum and thought it was cute. I suppose you are too proud to admit you were wrong?

For your statement to hold true I'd have had to have put that in my signature just now, as it happens it's been there for weeks, probably months.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 03:09 AM
On the other hand, I'm psychic, so I have an advantage. I'll tell you all about him.

Okay Miss Cleo, tell me all about him.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 03:23 AM
Okay [Julian Lee], tell me all about him.
Well, he's one of your pals. You met at a 'Buzzcocks' concert in Miami. Then later in Seattle at a gay bar for surreptitious meetings down the hallway. What else do you want to know? Would you like me to reveal what you wrote in one of your love letters to Big Vinny?

I'm very good at this. Just as good as Vinny.

Lily
07-03-2007, 03:26 AM
O.K., I'll meet you in outer space, Scorpionette.
For a grown man I am very suprised at your behaviour, you made a mistake, you attacked me because of it and you can't bring yourself to admit you are wrong?

For what it's worth, I shouldn't have been so rude before, but I am unwell and I can't sleep so it's made me irritable.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 03:31 AM
For a grown man I am very suprised at your behaviour
I am very surprised that you are posting my I.P. in your signature. That's very bizarre behaviour. Grown men don't like seeing their I.P. in other people's signatures.
...you made a mistake...
You made the mistake.
...you attacked me...
No, I called you a nitwit for posting my I.P. in your signature.
...and you can't bring yourself to admit you are wrong?
What was I wrong about? You are posting my I.P. in your signature for no apparent reason, and you are also a nitwit.
For what it's worth, I shouldn't have been so rude before...
Ah, so you were rude? Ah, that must be why you got "attacked."

Sorry your head game didn't work out, sweet pear. Meet you in my spacey dreams.

By the way Guy, sorry this thread attracted Big Vinny. He has a big thing about me and follows me around. He even makes signatures about me, with original graphics and everything. As penance for arguing on your thread, I taught a Jew how to use Pro Tools the other night. He has a beautiful voice, knows all kinds of old songs from the 1960's, plays guitar, and is an M.D. He was trying to decide which system to buy.

Pro Tools is great. I love it. Have you figured out how to do crossfades? (Stretching or shortening a note without leaving a trace.) Or how to do "alternate takes" and paste them together seamlessly. Once I figured that out I was so amazed. It's done in the "Playlist" option, and I can tell you how if you don't know. I paid for Digidesign's $3.00-a-minute support service a few times, and it really helped me figure some things out on Pro Tools. My problem now is I don't have a really good preamp. I am hankering to buy an Avalon 737, or a Neve, or the Fearn. Probably will start with the Avalon.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 03:32 AM
Well, he's one of your pals. You met at a 'Buzzcocks' concert in Miami. Then later in Seattle at a gay bar for surreptitious meetings down the hallway. What else do you want to know? Would you like me to reveal what you wrote in one of your love letters to Big Vinny?

I'm very good at this. Just as good as Vinny.
Waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit a minute. I thought I lived near San Diego at or around Intrepid's exact coordinates...

I want my 99 cents a minute back.

that guy
07-03-2007, 03:33 AM
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 8 (6 members and 2 guests)


^^ I didn't know digital recording equipment was such a popular subject.

:jew:

Lily
07-03-2007, 03:37 AM
I am very surprised that you are posting my I.P. in your signature. That's very bizarre behaviour.
I'm not, this has already been explained twice. I am hosting a peice of software that shows the onlooker their own I.P address. When I look at my signature, I see my own I.P address. Think of it like a mirror.

You made the mistake.
You did.

No, I called you a nitwit for posting my I.P. in your signature.
Which I didn't.

What was I wrong about? You are posting my I.P. in your signature for no apparent reason, and you are also a nitwit.
No I am not posting your IP address, I don't even know it! Are insults necessary? I have not insulted you.

Ah, so you were rude? Ah, that must be why you got "attacked."

Sorry your head game didn't work out, sweet pear.
No head games, you are being a little paranoid.

that guy
07-03-2007, 03:44 AM
You are posting my I.P. in your signature for no apparent reason, and you are also a nitwit.
You are the only person that can see your IP number. When I see her sig, I see my own IP address. Big Vinny might be trolling here, but Bip (Aurora) doesn't do that kind of thing.

By the way Guy, sorry this thread attracted Big Vinny. He has a big thing about me and stalks me everywhere I go.
No prob. :D

As penance for arguing on your thread, I taught a Jew how to use Pro Tools the other night. He has a beautiful voice, knows all kinds of old songs from the 1960's, plays guitar, and is an M.D. He was trying to decide which system to buy.

Pro Tools is great. I love it. Have you figured out how to do fades? (Stretching or shortening a note.) Or how to do "alternate takes" and paste them together seamlessly. Once I figured that out I was so amazed. It's done in the "Playlist" option, and I can tell you how if you don't know. I paid for Digidesign's $3.00-a-minute support service a few times, and it really helped me figure some things out on Pro Tools.
I haven't used any of the advanced features yet. If there are cool things that are easy to explain, you can give it a shot, but don't bother if it's too complicated.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 03:53 AM
Well, he's one of your pals. You met at a 'Buzzcocks' concert in Miami. Then later in Seattle at a gay bar for surreptitious meetings down the hallway. What else do you want to know? Would you like me to reveal what you wrote in one of your love letters to Big Vinny?

I'm very good at this. Just as good as Vinny.

Keep embarrassing yourself, Julian.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 04:35 AM
...Then you and Big Vinny met at Intrepid's trailer park to talk about hairstyles and reminisce about the punk days. Big Vinny told Jewish jokes. (Which only Jews are allowed to do.) Intrepid drank Bud, and you tried to evangelize Big Vinny. "You shouldn't tell Jewish jokes," you corrected. He socked you. You wailed, "You were my first love." Vinny said, "I don't date Russian Orthodox" and snickered. You lamented, "It's all because of that Julian Lee. He led me astray." You had to sleep with Intrepid's dog that night. Now, because of all that, you are trying to win back Big Vinny by attacking Julian Lee, arch foe of the homosexual agenda.

Excerpts from your autobiography, Julian?

Billy Score
07-03-2007, 04:42 AM
Oh I see, it's just a little Scorpio trying to play head games and power plays because she didn't like to see one her favorite gays get challenged after he defecated in the middle of the room.
this does seem a bit excessive =\.

It's an automatic feature, Mr. lee. For example, when i look at her sig i see my own IP, browser, etc. If i was logged onto a different computer i'd see that. it varies depending on who is looking at it.

Billy Score
07-03-2007, 04:51 AM
No, this is about you, Big Vinny, and Intrepid.

I have never been to Seattle, never been to Miami, never heard of the Buzzcocks (until Big Vinny/Intrepid brought them up), never lived in a trailer park, never drank beer or alcohol, never been to a gay bar, and never had a friendship with a homosexual. This is about you, see. I saw it all in vision.

I have made up with the Head Triperess and groveled at her goddess feet. She's my girlfriend now.
uhh are you ok this thread makes it appear as though you're having some kind of meltdown.. with all due respect.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 04:53 AM
uhh are you ok this thread makes it appear as though you're having some kind of meltdown.. with all due respect.
Current Mood: Happy.

Actually, I am having a lot of fun. Dealing with the Intrepid personality had much more fireworks attached. Also, I have "tolerated" the gay activist for a very long time. It's the last time, and it's time he went to hell.

I always have the same reaction to slander-mongerers who dish out fictitious moral slander. I just hand it back to them. So you should be accustomed to it. And should thank me, because you have had the same rot thrown at you, I civilize the place by cowing rotmouths, and that benefits all decent men. (Since I started posted here, there's a hell of a lot less of that defamation going down. And look what thanks I get.)

Do you do digital recording, Billy? Or are you just here for the fight?

sugartits
07-03-2007, 04:54 AM
I have never been to Seattle, never been to Miami, never heard of the Buzzcocks (until Big Vinny/Intrepid brought them up), never lived in a trailer park, never drank beer or alcohol, never been to a gay bar, and never had a friendship with a homosexual. This is about you, see. I saw it all in vision.

You're missing out on life, dude.

I have made up with the Head Triperess and groveled at her goddess feet. She's my girlfriend now.

Having fun?

Hippias
07-03-2007, 04:55 AM
No, this is about you, Big Vinny, and Intrepid.

I have never been to Seattle, never been to Miami, never heard of the Buzzcocks (until Big Vinny/Intrepid brought them up), never lived in a trailer park, never drank beer or alcohol, never been to a gay bar, and never had a friendship with a homosexual. This is about you, see. I saw it all in vision.

Perhaps what you saw was your future?

Billy Score
07-03-2007, 04:57 AM
Actually, I am having a lot of fun. Dealing with the Intrepid personality had much more fireworks attached.

I always have the same reaction to gays and other slander-mongerers who dish out fictitious moral slander, so you should be accustomed to it. And should thank me, because you have had the same shit thrown at you, I civilize the place by cowing rotters, and that benefits all decent men.

Do you do digital recording, Billy? Or are you just here for the fight?
this is true but its better to just ignore it then turn it into a caged deathmatch. It's a losing battle unless you totally isolate yourself from the world, which is essentially the best way to deal with it.

I do not do digital recording. I came for the fight. :bitchfight:

Mentious
07-03-2007, 05:02 AM
You're missing out on life, dude.
Because I haven't been around enough of the banal and corrupt? It's you who's missing out on life. There are so many wonderful things in this world. Countless, actually. Not so much is found in sewers, and certainly not the best things in life. I have experienced things that others couldn't even dream about. Very pleased with my life, I am.
Having fun?
Yes.
Perhaps what you saw was your future?
No, the guy in my vision at the trailer park looked a lot like you. I'm sure it had to be you. You wear wire rims, right? And have curly brown hair, right? Say 40 "Hail Marys" and 80 "Our Fathers" and your complexion problem will improve in a week. But only if you get off my case.

I already know my future, which will be a lot like my past. And there are no trailer parks, Budweisers, or homosexual relationships in it. Sorry this has become so discomfitting for you, but you piled on. Even if ten rotters pile on with you, I'll still manage to give you a black eye, and you'll deserve it.
this is true but its better to just ignore it then turn it into a caged deathmatch. It's a losing battle unless you totally isolate yourself from the world, which is essentially the best way to deal with it.
That's not my way. I will always defend my honor and my name. And I know how to train hyenas, making the Phora a more civilized place. The Hyena Big Vinny is already sniffing around trying to find a collar and waistcoat. I always have others in mind, not just myself.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 05:09 AM
No, the guy in my vision at the trailer park looked liked you. I'm sure it had to be you.

Wait....at the trailer park? What were you doing there? I thought these visions weren't about you?

I already know my future, which will be a lot like my past.

More internet flame wars and homoerotic stories, eh?

sugartits
07-03-2007, 05:10 AM
Everytime I press refresh Julian's post keeps growing

Lily
07-03-2007, 05:12 AM
I have made up with the Head Triperess and groveled at her goddess feet. She's applying soon to be my girlfriend.
Grow up. All this started because you made a simple mistake. I have never had a problem with you before and can't quite understand the severity of your reaction. Either way, it would be best to let it drop.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 05:19 AM
Grow up. All this started because you made a simple mistake. I have never had a problem with you before and can't quite understand the severity of your reaction. Either way, it would be best to let it drop.
Oh well, there goes another one down the pike. Even though I offered her the moon, woman is always, verily, restless. But you'll regret it, babe. As Lou Rawls said: "You are gonna miss my lovin'".

After you grow up, and stop posting people's IP addresses for no apparent reason, You are gonna miss my lovin.

When it's cold outside.
Either way, it would be best to let it drop.
You drop it sugar. Get my friggin' IP address out of your signature. I don't even know you.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 05:20 AM
Jules, for God's sake, have one of your grandchildren teach you how to use the Internet.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 05:22 AM
I don't have any grandchildren.

Also, in biological terms, I'm younger than you. Of that there is no doubt. I'll still be around when you're scattered to the winds.

Lily
07-03-2007, 05:22 AM
After you grow up, and stop posting people's IP addresses for no apparent reason, You are gonna miss my lovin.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? How many times do people need to explain that I am not posting your IP address? It's automated everyone sees a reflection of their own IP address. The image is analagous to a mirror, it reflects the information of whoever veiws it back at them. I have a very hard time believing you don't understand this.

When I look at my signature, I do not see your IP address, no one else can see your IP address. Only you.

sugartits
07-03-2007, 05:24 AM
When I look at my signature, I do not see your IP address, no one else can see your IP address. Only you.

:confused: I see Julian Lee's IP

Johnson
07-03-2007, 05:24 AM
:confused: I see Julian Lee's IP

you see yers, lurve

Lily
07-03-2007, 05:25 AM
:confused: I see Julian Lee's IP
You see your IP address. Everyone sees their own. :)

sugartits
07-03-2007, 05:25 AM
you see yers, lurve

Nope, It's not mine. I'm pretty sure that it is Julian's.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 05:26 AM
Mine starts 75.58. I am doing a cosmic whammy on the little scorpio because she is being bad.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
I like being obtuse with you charms. But I thought you were going to bed.

Lily
07-03-2007, 05:30 AM
I like being obtuse with you charms. But I thought you were going to bed.
I told you, I can't sleep. Medical problem.

Come to think of it I really shouldn't be dealing with you now. I have explained that I am not privy to your IP address, so has Guy and Billy Score. Take my word for it or don't, I don't care.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 05:42 AM
I forgive you for your sin. You are young, and didn't know better.
Just visualize me child, breathing on your pretty head, and you'll fall right asleep and feel better.

Will you do the same for me?

Hippias
07-03-2007, 05:47 AM
Julian, I apologize for the remarks I made in this thread. I admire you taking a stand for chastity and I agree with your insights into women and feminism. However, as I said earlier, it annoys me to see you, a man promoting a wholesome message of moral virtue and sexual self-restraint, a poster whose contributions are normally well thought out and composed, totally lose your cool when someone makes fun of you. You lack a quality all great ascetic men have possessed - EMOTIONAL restraint. You have none. It doesn't take much to set you off. Look at what it does to you, Julian. It causes perverted thoughts to enter your imagination, as evidenced by the homoerotic love fantasies you have written here. Try to control your emotions, Julian. That is all I'm saying.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 05:51 AM
Will you do the same for me?
Sorry Charlie. You need a bath. I wouldn't do it if you were dying by the side of the road.

So you like Winger? I never got to find out much about the actual band. But the story he told me of their rise and fall was very interesting. Why don't you tell me more. Just leave out your gay bands. They don't interest me. My impression is that Winger was one of the better bands of that genre musically from what I remember of the video I saw. Very musically tight was my impression, and dynamic in performance. But "Seventeen" is the only song I ever heard by them. Kip Winger was a very solid midwestern sort of guy. Very different from the pervert bands you worship. I'm not into any bands at all, and have not been for well night 30 years.
Julian, I apologize for the remarks I made in this thread...
You should have stopped there. That's all I read. What I'm saying is this: Shut up and let me do what I have to do. If you can't be of assistance, get the hell out of the way. I won't be morally slandered, or sit while snakes like Big Vinny to do it to other men. When a snake's in the patch, you step on it.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 05:57 AM
You like Winger?

No, actually, quite the opposite.

Why don't you tell me more. Just leave out your gay bands.

Then I couldn't tell you about Winger.

My impression is that Winger was one of the better bands of that genre musically

You would be mistaken.

I'm not into any bands at all, and have not been for well night 30 years.

Sorry to hear. That might account for your lack of personality.

Hope I've cleared a few things up.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 06:00 AM
Oh, a big long post from Big Vinny. He's really agitated. I wouldn't want to show you any more personality than you're worth.

All that stalking and following me around just because you wanted to tell me your opinions on music? Well, maybe now you can go back to your hole for a while and recuperate for your next hissing session. I'll be ready to stomp on your sick head. Gay troll.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 06:05 AM
You should have stopped there.

Because you can't take personal criticism?

What I'm saying is this: Shut up and let me do what I have to do. If you can't be of assistance, get the hell out of the way.

Learn to use the ignore feature, Julian, and control your anger. Hit a punching bag marked "Big Vinny" or something.

Only make a post when you have something worthwhile to say. If a poster starts messing with you, remember the ignore feature.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 06:17 AM
I am really sick of this shit from Big Vinny, and will never put anyone on ignore because I don't shrink from battles and I will answer slander.

Sorry I disappointed you. But you disappointed me, too.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 06:20 AM
He's really agitated.

You know it. Nothing gets me more riled than Winger.

All that stalking and following me around just because you wanted to tell me your opinions on music?

No, actually, I opened this thread to read about digital recording equipment. You namedropping one of the most notorious cock-rockers of the 80's was an added bonus.

Well, maybe now you can go back to your hole for a while and recuperate for your next hissing session.

I'm not done.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 06:23 AM
You didn't enter this thread to learn about, or discuss, digital recording technology. You entered it to stalk and harass me, because that's your agenda as a gay multi-culti troll. Even your avatar and your signatures -- which used to be devoted to presenting ideas about anal sex -- are now devoted to harassing me, which tells everybody how important I am in your sights, or your committee's sights.

Go defecate somewhere else. You stink.

Helios Panoptes
07-03-2007, 06:26 AM
Winger sucks. It makes no difference whether he is literally a pole smoker or not.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 06:27 AM
I called him a 'cock-rocker.' Disparaging vernacular term for chessy 80's bands, like Winger. See also: buttrock, 'arena rock,' etc. His music sucks cock, though.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 06:34 AM
Who cares? Name any of your favorite bands, 9-out-of-10 of them probably use Pro Tools. It's widespread in the recording industry,, practically an industry standard, and that was my point. If I happened to actually know professional musicians who used Pro Tools, in backing up my contention that it is in widespread use, that was strength for my argument and not weakness. I also know a couple of others.

But you wanted to make it into a comment slandering my morality and my sexuality, and that's why I know you are a gay troll, and the real cock-sucker on this board, which is very disgusting if you think about it.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 06:37 AM
I don't recall ever slandering your sexuality (in this thread, at least), whatever it might be.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 06:38 AM
That was your intent, you hissing snake. In fact, your whole fucking signature and avatar are concocted to try to put me down. And yet you are fucking AIDS ridden poofter. Now go to hell.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 06:39 AM
What are you basing that on?

Mentious
07-03-2007, 06:41 AM
What are you basing your constant slander of me on? I mean facts, information.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 06:43 AM
The information (personal, pseudo-scientific, and new-age yuppie mysticism) in your posts.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 06:44 AM
Spurious bullshit. None of those have anything to do with a man's morality. And mysticism, by the way, requires manliness to pursue.

My reasons for believing you are a homosexual troll, on the other hand, are substantial and reasonable. But the first and best is that I can smell it in my nostrils.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 06:49 AM
Considering you base your silly morality on pseudo-science and new age yuppie mysticism, I'd say they certainly are related.

My reasons for believing you are a homosexual troll, on the other hand, are substantial and reasonable.

Your reasons for believing I am also the poster "Intrepid" were substantial also, but not exactly reasonable.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 06:52 AM
In fact, your whole fucking signature and avatar are concocted to try to put me down.

It's hard to keep up with your retroactive edits, but I'll try.

The quote certainly is, but then again you said it, not me. The graphics are a rough representation of what I'm about, so there's little confusion.

Helios Panoptes
07-03-2007, 06:53 AM
I have not seen anyone lose composure like this on the internet in....well, I cannot even remember when. It's been awhile. Keep it up.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 07:02 AM
Julian, Big Vinny is not gay. Give it a rest already. You're losing it.

Helios Panoptes
07-03-2007, 07:03 AM
Intrepid and Big Vinny have virtually nothing in common. They both make fun of Julian Lee, so they must be conspiring with one another or they are actually one and the same! Give me a break.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 07:06 AM
I understand that Julian. There is such a thing as the ignore feature.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 07:13 AM
Homosexuals should be tolerated here only if they behave and don't engage in gross slander. Ordinary men, also, should only be tolerated here if they behave and don't engage in gross slander. How much more the in-your-face gays like Vinny. This pervert devotes his signature so much to me that I have to keep changing my own just to dodge his perverted shit. The poofter is obsessed.

sugartits
07-03-2007, 07:16 AM
Homosexuals should be tolerated here only if they behave and don't engage in gross slander. Ordinary men, also, should only be tolerated here if they behave and don't engage in gross slander. How much more the in-your-face gays like Vinny.

I can see why you edit often. That was a very bizarre statement before the addition.

Helios Panoptes
07-03-2007, 07:16 AM
I see no evidence that Big Vinny is homosexual.

Helios Panoptes
07-03-2007, 07:19 AM
:confused: I see Julian Lee's IP

Me, too. The IP I see traces to California and I don't live there, and I'm not using a proxy located in Cali.

Mentious
07-03-2007, 07:20 AM
I see no evidence that Big Vinny is homosexual.
It's obvious from the nature of his posts, his obsession with me, and his constant promotion of sicko homosexual bands in "What Are You Listening To." Also his frequent references to sodomy, anal sex, etc. He's a gay troll.
I can see why you edit often. That was a very bizarre statement before the addition.
I edit to perfect my prose, Bitter Tits. You should write something worth editing.
Me, too. The IP I see traces to California and I don't live there, and I'm not using a proxy located in Cali.
Yes, that's why I asked the little scropion to quit creepin' around my door.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 07:24 AM
First of all, I had to refresh the page several times before you were done retroactively editing this and other posts. I hope you're finished so I can respond without you making it look like I'm passively ignoring the limp wristed insults you throw in ex post facto.

Earlier, you created a graphic there directed at me.

It was directed at you and Nick, and your little circle of supporters in general, not for outwardly malicious purposes but rather one of amusement. If I recall correctly, both you and Nick thought it was something of a touching tribute more than anything. Bad example.

And I know you're not very deep, having fed your head with nothing but garbage from punk and gay bands your whole life.

I've not been into punk more than a few years. More of a \m/etal guy. You're confusing me with Intrepid.

But I don't think there is such a thing as "yuppie mysticism."

Stupid people don't know they're stupid. Crazy people don't know they're crazy. Yuppies seldom realize they're yuppies.

As far as "new age," my views could not be classed as "new age" and "new age" types find me anathema because I stand by very old and traditional things and am very critical of much of "new age."

Translation: I have transcended their level of sophistication by minging new age beliefs with racism. Since I am critical, I can not be compared. Gotcha.

As far as you and Intrepid, I know you have a "thing" together but can't prove it.

So you admit your 'suspicions' are simply suspicions. Gotcha.

You like the same gay bands.

Intrepid and I actually have quite opposite musical tastes. He is now a "Christian rocker" for example.

You both like avatars that deal with anal sex, etc.

You've yet to prove this.

You both are obsessed with me.

You're an unfortunate public figure. Unfortunate as in, outwardly bizarre. Can't whinge when you get noticed.

You both accuse me of being gay right out of the box without a shred of actual evidence (a favorite ploy of gay trolls for attacking their critics).

I can not honestly recall a single incident of me accusing you of being gay. Can't speak for Intrepid, though.

There is a long list of correspondences between you and Intrepid.

No, there isn't.

You are either the same person, or a committee, or you work in some kind of correspondence.

Crazy people don't know they're crazy.

Lily
07-03-2007, 07:25 AM
Yes, that's why I asked the little scropion to quit creepin' around my door.
He is lying, he is trying to provoke you.

This is the site I got it from.
http://www.danasoft.com/aboutdanasoft.php


Is the Danasoft signature a hacking tool, or can it be used to violate anyone's privacy?

Absolutely not! The Danasoft signature can never be used maliciously. Users come to Danasoft.com and create custom signs, with text that they choose, and they then display their custom signs in forums or on websites using a simple image link. We don't monitor or censor the text that users choose to display on their signs. Regardless of what prankster text might appear on a user's custom sign, the sign is totally harmless.

When you view the sign, you will see your IP address and computer info. When others view the sign, they will see THEIR information. Try it, ask a friend to visit danasoft.com. They won't see your IP, they will see their IP. Your information is never shown to others. This is always true, no matter where the Danasoft sign appears (within web pages, emails, etc).

Whenever you visit a website, your IP address is automatically broadcast to that site, and it's even broadcast to those sites that you don't visit when you load a website that contains images that are hosted by a third party, such as advertisements. When you load the Danasoft signature from a webpage, your IP address is automatically broadcast to us, just like any other site. Danasoft.com does not "hack" your computer to obtain your IP address. One of the purposes of the sign, besides for fun and amusement, is to spread awareness that your IP and other computer information is known to every website that you visit. If that concerns you, there are software programs available to mask your IP and other information when you surf the web, search Google for those.

Danasoft.com doesn't log the IP addresses of people that view our signature graphics - we simply host the custom signatures. When a request comes in to display a signature, our software creates the sign "on-the-fly", and displays the viewer's IP and other computer info on the sign. Our software draws a new sign for every single person that views it.

The Danasoft.com signature graphic is not a website statistics tool. It cannot be used to tell you who is visiting your website because we do not provide that service, and as mentioned above, we don't even know who is viewing the signs since we don't log that information.

I hope this clears it up. Now, will you please leave me alone?

Mentious
07-03-2007, 07:26 AM
Ah, now the poofter is really riled. See that big huge post, folks. He normally posts little farts here and there, but now the sodomist is more obsessed with me by the day. If anyone succeeds in picking through his dreck, don't bother to tell me about it.

Homo, I didn't read it because I find you repellent and disgusting. But keep on exposing yourself for what you are.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 07:26 AM
It's obvious from [..] his constant promotion of sicko homosexual bands in "What Are You Listening To."

The Mentors are over-the-top heterosexual. :p

Johnson
07-03-2007, 07:28 AM
Ah, now the poofter is really riled. See that big huge post, folks. The sodomist is more obsessed with me by the day.

You'll notice I addressed your drool point-by-point.

Homo, I didn't read it because I find you repellent and disgusting.

That's fine. Nothing wrong with ceding the high ground to the superior force.

Hippias
07-03-2007, 07:47 AM
It's obvious from the nature of his posts, his obsession with me, and his constant promotion of sicko homosexual bands in "What Are You Listening To." Also his frequent references to sodomy, anal sex, etc. He's a gay troll.

Julian, you've probably broken some kind of Phora record for the number of references you've made to anal sex and homosexuality in this thread. By all accounts, you're the one fixated with these topics.

Big Vinny has poked fun at you, but that's not the same thing as being obsessed with you. Cool off, Julian.

sugartits
07-03-2007, 07:56 AM
The Mentors are over-the-top heterosexual. :p

I'm not so sure. Their perverse heterosexuality and vulgar misogyny may quite pissibly indicate latent homosexuality.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 08:03 AM
Keep in mind I'm also "Intrepid." Double the sodomy references!

Hippias
07-03-2007, 08:16 AM
Julian, no more flame wars. Use the ignore feature. Goodnight.

Draco
07-03-2007, 01:49 PM
Intrepid and Big Vinny have virtually nothing in common. They both make fun of Julian Lee, so they must be conspiring with one another or they are actually one and the same! Give me a break.

You know, I saw the allegation they were the same, and I had to scratch my head. The two have completely different writing styles, and I haven't seen hide nor hair of Intrepid for some time, where is that little wise ass anyway?

Johnson
07-03-2007, 10:53 PM
So I go to bed at midnight, finish my day at college, come home (it's 2:49 now) and I see Julian has added at least a paragraph or two to just about every post he's made in this thread in the past day. I see he came back 2 hours and some after making his last post of last night and retroactively edited at least half a dozen.

Amusing, though transparent. By editing in a bunch of insults and things ex post facto he makes it look like whomever responded (in this case, me) completely ignored his (new) flames as if they were so biting one would not dare to try and answer them.

Odd, odd fellow.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 10:58 PM
I flushed a furtive fora fag. What felicity!

Edited to look like that was the case long after the fact. :p In my defense, though, I did have to go to bed so I could get up and go to school, instead of lounging around in my den scamming people with "astrocartography" assessments for a living.

Barjag
07-03-2007, 11:01 PM
I'm not so sure. Their perverse heterosexuality and vulgar misogyny may quite pissibly indicate latent homosexuality.Pissibly. ;) But heterosexuality usually indicates, well, heterosexuality.

Johnson
07-03-2007, 11:07 PM
Unless of course the judge of that is Lee-Lee, then it means taking a shit on the floor, sodomy, and even your individual HIV virii being gay.

Barjag
07-03-2007, 11:26 PM
"Male sex indulgers, so proud of their sin, are just one step away from homosexuals." - JL

Johnson
07-03-2007, 11:29 PM
The best JL quote to date goes something along the lines of "when it is finished, my musical compositions will rival those of Mozart in importance"

Mebbe it was Beethoven, I forget. Either way - LOL.

Barjag
07-03-2007, 11:32 PM
Only a fag would laugh at that, just as only a fag-in-the-making would feel any need to have sex with women. That's the world according to Jewlyin'. Starr of David is more reasonable.

Алекс
07-03-2007, 11:37 PM
exceptionally bad thread, 1*

This thread brings shame upon all who contribute to it and upon the phora as a whole.

Lily
07-03-2007, 11:43 PM
exceptionally bad thread, 1*

This thread brings shame upon all who contribute to it and upon the phora as a whole.
You just contributed to it. :)

Johnson
07-03-2007, 11:43 PM
Oh please. The Phora is not, nor has it ever been, the PTA. Even despite Jules' insistence that it become one.

Barjag
07-03-2007, 11:45 PM
Oh please. The Phora is not, nor has it ever been, the PTA. Even despite Jules' insistence that it become one.Let's hope not. There is rarely anything "highbrow" going on at the PTA. Boring =! highbrow.

sugartits
07-04-2007, 08:33 PM
SugarTits the Psychiatric Professor is not so sure. I don't think I've been "vulgar" in my criticism of women. I tend to avoid that. For vulgarity, consult the posts of the gay troll. But I'm sure we need a "Sugar Tits" to lecture to us about elegance and refinement.

Nothing perverse about heterosexuality. It is natural and nature's intention. That is as obvious as the sun.

Everybody's a "latent homosexual" just as everybody is a "latent murderer." Every man is capable of moral corruption. Still, I have never suffered problems of sexual unwholesomeness.

But let latent homosexuals stay latent. I'm more concerned about the patent homosexuals on Phora who sit like little trolls under a bridge and attack men of decency at every turn. As for latency, it's better to keep sins latent, unexpressed, and undeveloped than to be a patent slut. But "Quite pissibly" SugarTits is a vulgar handle for a vulgar woman. (You really should learn to edit your posts.)

Julian, I was not talking about you. I was making a sarcastic comment about "The Mentors". It appears to me that you for some reason interpretted my comment as a sly reference to your persona. If this is the case, it may indicate some degree of paranoia and/or delusion. BTW, it is obvious to anyone familiar with that "The Mentors" attempt a vulgar gimmick. Their songs about sex are from a heterosexual perspective. I don't know how you can figure that "nothing is perverse about heterosexuality". Maybe you can reason so as heterosexuality exists in itself, but not as it would make sense as a response to what I described as "perverse heterosexuality" (over sexual and base). Do you not think violent sexual inclinations to be perversion? for example. Or how about something like:

Open your mouth and taste the foam
Bend up and smell my anal vapor
Your face is my toilet paper
Golden shower, Ive got the power
For a golden shower
-lyrics courtesy of The Mentors


I noticed the typo 'pissibly' before I opted to post and found it amusing so left it. I don't think that it is incredibly vulgar.

"Everybody's a "latent homosexual" just as everybody is a "latent murderer." I agree with that somewhat. People are capable of any range of behaviours.


Anyway, I don't think you are being serious or even emotionally over-reacting in this thread. It is obvious you are just mucking around for amusements sake.

Barjag
07-04-2007, 08:54 PM
Do you not think violent sexual inclinations to be perversion? for example. Or how about something like:

Open your mouth and taste the foam
Bend up and smell my anal vapor
Your face is my toilet paper
Golden shower, Ive got the power
For a golden shower
-lyrics courtesy of The MentorsPerversion has multiple shades of meaning. I don't think that violent or degrading sexual urges are perverted in the sense of being unusual. Like you say, "people are capable of any range of behaviours." Whether or not they are perverted in some moral sense depends on one's morality, of course. I noticed the typo 'pissibly' before I opted to post and found it amusing so left it.Excellent. Some typos are best left uncorrected.Anyway, I don't think you are being serious or even emotionally over-reacting in this thread. It is obvious you are just mucking around for amusements sake.That assessment is either very optimistic or very pessimistic, depending on one's point of view.

Johnson
07-04-2007, 09:36 PM
Anyway, I don't think you are being serious or even emotionally over-reacting in this thread. It is obvious you are just mucking around for amusements sake.

He's as serious as a heart attack. That's what's worrysome.

sugartits
07-04-2007, 09:52 PM
Perversion has multiple shades of meaning. I don't think that violent or degrading sexual urges are perverted in the sense of being unusual. Like you say, "people are capable of any range of behaviours." Whether or not they are perverted in some moral sense depends on one's morality, of course.

I'm in agreement with that. Deeply, horribly, sick, deranged and perverse agreement. Sadistic urges seem to manifest in various aspects of adult sex life, quite commonly. In fact, I think it is very rare to find a person who does not have a masochistic/sadistic bent to their libido and desires, or to how they interact in 'romantic' relationships. I may dare go so far as to shamefully claim that SICKO impulses (sexual or not) exist in everyone and those who deny it are 'repressed' or unable to face such urges in themselves...and in some instances to refrain from them is merely a product of conditioning, not some special talent at self-control. As examples of the opposite, see the lives of people like de Sade or Crowley. Crowley: face and indulge in what is repugnant to oneself, un-do yourself, be unconditioned. Now I'm steerin' slightly into a tangent, but a point is some people engage in the 'perverse' for perfectly 'moral' means of self-overcoming (as not unlike what moralist ascetics strive for). We could call it corruption, sure...of conditioning.


According to what I gather is JL's morality, I assumed the sexual impulses I exampled would (pissibly) count as 'perverse'.

Mentious
07-04-2007, 11:47 PM
I'm done with this thread. The digital recording thread has moved elsewhere. And I've had enough entertainment agitating Phora's "human rights agitator" and gay stalker.

Johnson
07-05-2007, 01:26 AM
According to what I gather is JL's morality, I assumed the sexual impulses I exampled would (pissibly) count as 'perverse'.

This is a guy who considers masturbation to be 'perverse.'

I'm done with this thread. The digital recording thread has moved elsewhere. And I've had enough entertainment agitating Phora's "human rights agitator" and gay stalker.

You didn't agitate anyone, you made them laugh; first by appealing to Kip Winger as an authority, second by filling this thread up with about 87 instances of CARPET SHITTING + ANAL SEX + PERVERT SICKO, third by editing most if not all of your posts several hours later and the next day and deleting several of your own posts to interrupt continuity to make it appear like you doled out a righteous drubbing. Quite the opposite.

But I'm satisfied. You made yourself look like the insecure, bizarre, ignorant, whining near-insane limpdick Ojai new-age Internet blowhard that you are, and that's all I ever ask for.

I wonder if your wife still would have left you if she'd have known what it would do to your mental state. Somehow I think so, and I only feel for your children who have to suffer your loathing and imposition. I can only imagine what a typical night at the single parent Lee household is like.

Those poor, poor girls.

sugartits
07-05-2007, 01:52 AM
You didn't agitate anyone, you made them laugh; first by appealing to Kip Winger as an authority

I laughed my socks off at that. Then I laughed my pants off.

Sorry if that was too sexually suggestive.

Mentious
07-05-2007, 04:27 AM
...you made them laugh; first by appealing to Kip Winger as an authority...
"Appealing"? "Authority"?

This is pretty funny watching "Johnson" (cock obsesssive) write so much about me and trip over himself. (When he strays beyond single-sentence posts he begins to sound incoherent.) It's obvious that he is very agitated, so I am amused. Let's analyze this thing...

My original comment was simply that professional musicians I've talked to personally, 'from Hollywood soundtrack composers to [a band guy like] Kip Winger' (a guy I happened to have talked to along with a few film composers) use ProTools. That was all I said. I was aiming to cite personal conversations with actual musicians, not list favorite groups. Something Vinny most likely could not do because he never gets out of the AIDs ward. And certainly pro musicians of all stripes who do digital recording, whether you happen to like their music or not, are better authorities than fan "Big Vinny" when it comes to knowing about digital recording.

I think I know what's going on: Big Vinny is jealous because 1) He doesn't know any professional recording artists, and 2) He doesn't know a damned thing about the subject of this thread yet he wanted to be a player, and 3) He is jealous that I knew the leader of one his favorite '80's hair bands. Oddly, his first comment was about "Winger's" butts. Note that I know little about the band "Winger," but Vinny/Johnson knows everything. So the guy's jealous that I met one of his former heroes and that I could care less. Now he doesn't know what to do about it but spit and hiss.

Gays and Jews are so transparent to figure out.

As to the rest of your posts, AIDs maven, it doesn't interest me and I only scanned it, seeing it was more of your usual juvenile tripe. (At least you have the drunk "Sugar Tits" on your side.) But I am certainly impressed how the Phora's One Liner Queen got so incredibly verbal since I mentioned Kip Winger. Your prose here equals, like, a year's worth of your usual droppings. As you said, I guess I really pressed your hot button there. Was it because I said Winger was straight and that upset you? Maybe you can get "Make a Wish" foundation to take you to meet him before the melanoma gets too bad.

I'm having a cigar tonight to celebrate the meltdown of Phora's most successful gay activist.

Hippias
07-05-2007, 06:13 AM
I'm having a cigar tonight to celebrate the meltdown of Phora's most successful gay activist.

The irony is killing me.

Mentious
07-05-2007, 06:16 AM
What's ironic? I always smoke a cigar when I feel especially fine. I got it for the 4th, but I'll also celebrate busting Phora's homo activist.

It's a guy thing. I don't suppose you would know about those things though.

Hippias
07-05-2007, 06:20 AM
It was a joke, Julian. It wasn't intended to be mean-spirited. Can't you laugh at yourself?

I like cigars too. There's a park by my old house where I go to smoke them on hot summer nights like this.

Mentious
07-05-2007, 06:24 AM
I don't get the joke. What is ironic about celebrating by smoking a cigar? Please explain. You're in hot water again.

Hippias
07-05-2007, 06:30 AM
I thought it was amusing that you'd taken to smoking a cigar, a phallic symbol, to celebrate your trouncing of said "cock-obsessive" poster. Innocent joke, that's all.

I'm a friend.

Mentious
07-05-2007, 06:35 AM
I thought it was amusing that you'd taken to smoking a cigar, a phallic symbol, to celebrate your trouncing of said "cock-obsessive" poster.
Cigars make you think of penises? That's interesting. How come cigars make you think of male phalluses, when they have never been that for me (or a million other men). That's very interesting. Where does your mind tend?
Innocent joke, that's all.
Not innocent at all. Vile and highly insulting. I have not had shit like that thrown at me for a long time.
I'm a friend.
Decide if you're friend, foe, or dreck. You don't do too well at the first thing, and with your "joke" you are doing too well at the last. I'd rather have you for a foe than that sort of "friend." I'll not be morally defamed or insulted. I don't do it to others (except defensively), and I demand the same respect.

Barjag
07-05-2007, 06:39 AM
I'm in agreement with that. Deeply, horribly, sick, deranged and perverse agreement. Sadistic urges seem to manifest in various aspects of adult sex life, quite commonly. In fact, I think it is very rare to find a person who does not have a masochistic/sadistic bent to their libido and desires, or to how they interact in 'romantic' relationships.Your depth of honesty is refreshing. I wholeheartedly concur with your thoughts in this regard. If exceptions exist, they probably would be people with genetic disorders that manifest in incomplete cognition and the like.I may dare go so far as to shamefully claim that SICKO impulses (sexual or not) exist in everyone and those who deny it are 'repressed' or unable to face such urges in themselves...and in some instances to refrain from them is merely a product of conditioning, not some special talent at self-control.Aptly put.

Asceticism is often deep masochism masquerading as 'purity'. I recall reading of Indian ascetics, for example, who attempt to subsist on bird droppings that fall from the sky. This masochism is no anomalous aberration among ascetics. As Zen Master Seung Sahn recounted: "A long time ago a monk asked Zen Master Un Mun, 'What is Buddha?' Un Mun said, 'Dry shit on stick.'" As examples of the opposite, see the lives of people like de Sade or Crowley. Crowley: face and indulge in what is repugnant to oneself, un-do yourself, be unconditioned. Now I'm steerin' slightly into a tangent, but a point is some people engage in the 'perverse' for perfectly 'moral' means of self-overcoming (as not unlike what moralist ascetics strive for). We could call it corruption, sure...of conditioning.Don't sweat the tangents. It's not like the other participants in this thread have scrupulously stuck to the topic of 'Digital Recording Equipment'.

Here is another way to look at it: someone like Julian Lee and someone like the Marquis de Sade may appear as opposites at first glance, but they are mirror-images of one another. Ask yourself: are self-denial and self-abuse so far apart? Does self-denial not quite often require the same self-hatred that exults in self-abuse? Is abuse of Self not just as abusive as abuse of Other, albeit focused more within rather than without?

The Marquis de Sade talks at length about sex organs, shit, sweat, sodomy, and semen, and sucking all of the above. Julian Lee talks at length about sex organs, shit, sweat, sodomy, and semen, and sucking all of the above. The former does so in the name of indulgence, and the latter, abstinence. Even so, do they not share much the same vocabulary? These men are so different, and yet so oddly the same.

Please don't get me wrong; I am not condemning control of self or control of the other. Both are necessary for civilization. As Joseph de Maistre pointed out, civilization depends on the noose and the hangman who wields it. It also relies on whips and gags and cuffs and chains and people with the will to wield these well. There is also a place for purity and a place for filth. However, when I smell self-abasement hiding behind a mask of self-righteousness, forgive me if I succumb to the temptation to rip that mask away. According to what I gather is JL's morality, I assumed the sexual impulses I exampled would (pissibly) count as 'perverse'.Quite pissibly indeed. Clearly, however, he is attracted to the 'perverse'. He cannot help but respond to this 'filthy' and 'perverted' thread. The more he insists on his purity the dirtier he reveals himself to be. "As dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly." (Proverbs XXVI, 11)

Hippias
07-05-2007, 06:43 AM
Cigars make you think of penises? That's interesting. How come cigars make you think of male phalluses, when they have never been that for me (or a million other men). That's very interesting. Where does your mind tend?

More irony. Just an hour ago you wrote:

This is pretty funny watching "Johnson" (cock obsesssive) write so much about me and trip over himself

The surname "Johnson" makes you think of penises? That's interesting. The name has never conjured up phallic imagery in my mind.

Not innocent at all. Vile and highly insulting. I have not had shit like that thrown at me for a long time.

Decide if you're friend, foe, or dreck. You don't do too well at the first thing, and with your "joke" you are doing too well at the last. I'd rather have you for a foe than that sort of "friend." I'll not be morally defamed or insulted. I don't do it to others (except defensively), and I demand the same respect.

I don't think I've never known anyone as sensitive as you, Julian.

Mentious
07-05-2007, 06:50 AM
The surname "Johnson" makes you think of penises? That's interesting. The name has never conjured up phallic imagery in my mind.
I'm pointing out the wretched and homosexual nature of Vinny/Johnson in any instance than occurs to me. Talk about Vinny, you have to talk about dreck. It was obvious to me a long time ago that he chose "Johnson" because of it's popular slang meaning. Why else would he choose it? That sort of thing is his forte. (It's also true that the minute I mentioned the '80's band "Winger," he started talking about their butts. He's pretty damned obvious and consistent, and he's been grossly slandering me, in 100 percent of his posts about me, since I got to the Phora. Get off my back.)

And nothing esoteric or oblique about it. I think I get probably 20 spams a day that refer to the male generative organ as a "Johnson." Where have you been? Meanwhile, I'd never heard that cigars had become phallic symbols any more than straws or asparagus.

You are getting thin. I will always be sensitive about defending my honor. And know what? When it comes to defending my reputation and honor I'll be a hell of a lot meaner than you, so you would be wise to just give it up and treat me with the same respect I show to others.

Barjag
07-05-2007, 07:02 AM
The surname "Johnson" makes you think of penises? That's interesting. The name has never conjured up phallic imagery in my mind.I am not a Freudian (though you know the saying about stopped clocks...) but I can't help but think that Freud must be rejoicing in his grave. Advocates of 'sexual liberation' can point to anyone who espouses self-restraint of any kind or degree and say "you are just another Julian Lee."

Johnson
07-05-2007, 07:21 AM
As to the rest of your posts, AIDs maven, it doesn't interest me and I only scanned it,

That's funny because, again, what you are calling 'agitated' I am calling rebutting your shit point by point. If you're not interested perhaps it says something about your pathetic self. As all of your posts in this thread do, including your ex post facto edits and self-deletions.

Mentious
07-05-2007, 08:18 AM
I am not a Freudian (though you know the saying about stopped clocks...) but I can't help but think that Freud must be rejoicing in his grave. Advocates of 'sexual liberation' can point to anyone who espouses self-restraint of any kind or degree and say "you are just another Julian Lee."
That's flattering but I will never be so famous. (And wouldn't want to be.) On those subjects I always just repeat what other men greater than me -- Christ, Buddha, Sankara, Thoreau -- have said. Most of what I say has already been said before. But when you say these things in locker rooms and dark alleyways some find it surprising.

To Big Vinny, I would just take a Valium and try a little positive thinking. You'll calm down. But for Future Fag Felicity try to stay with your own league.

By the way, your avatar gives us all a good picture of what you're like. Perfect. It actually resembles you uncannily.

Helios Panoptes
07-05-2007, 08:54 AM
It's also true that the minute I mentioned the '80's band "Winger," he started talking about their butts.

No, he didn't.

3. butt rock

Eighties era 'heavy metal'. Some bands even continued into the early 90's, while scant others exist today (aerosmith). Fashion items include, but aren't limited to, tight spandex (with or without leopard print), colored boas, leg warmers (over the pants), really tight leather jackets with studs in them, denim galore,etc. Hair was generally teased up with an insane amount of hairspray, known as the metal afro. Members wore copious amounts of makeup lending to a very sassy look. I can't believe this was once considered cool.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Butt+Rock

It is a common term to derogatively refer to a kind of music that used to be popular.

Hippias
07-05-2007, 09:01 AM
It was obvious to me a long time ago that he chose "Johnson" because of it's popular slang meaning.

It's less obvious to me, but our minds do appear to operate differently.

Why else would he choose it?

It's a name from a comic book he reads, I think. It could also have been his surname.

Get off my back.

More slips from your unconscious.

You are getting thin. I will always be sensitive about defending my honor. And know what? When it comes to defending my reputation and honor I'll be a hell of a lot meaner than you, so you would be wise to just give it up and treat me with the same respect I show to others.

You'll be a hell of a lot meaner than me because I, unlike you, do not take insults that are directed my way to heart. If I did, that would suggest that I believed they were accurate.

Johnson
07-05-2007, 09:09 AM
It is a common term to derogatively refer to a kind of music that used to be popular.

I also explained this when I used "cock-rock," which Julian read as "cock-sucker."

hmm..

Johnson
07-05-2007, 09:10 AM
By the way, your avatar gives us all a good picture of what you're like. Perfect. It actually resembles you uncannily.

Or it could be Stewart from Beavis & Butthead alluding to Winger being lame...

Richard Parker
07-13-2007, 12:22 PM
I had been wanting to look at this thread for a while because I was interested in digital recording equipment.

Looking inside, I was astounded to learn that one of the biggest Phora flame wars was underway.

It reminded me of fights between cats and mice and dogs and other animals in Warner brothers cartoons... you know, when everyone is fighting and snarling and rolling, and the animation is just one big spinning ball of fur and dust and noise.

Intrepid
07-16-2007, 02:25 AM
Mr. Lee:

Why have you spewed a whole thread of utterly unprovoked venom in my direction? I've done nothing but provide you gentlemanly discourse for, approximately, the last year. I've even turned compatriots, who previously were under the impression you were a multi-addled bath house dweller and K-6 Lothario, to your message of restraint. At the very least, they've concluded you were a well-intentioned eccentric with a zest for life and flowing locks. So how am I supposed to feel, that is, when my semi-portable abode is mocked, and my general character is torn to shreds by you?

I'll tell you: really poorly.

I'd appreciate an apology.

Mentious
07-16-2007, 07:47 AM
O.K. You're right. I apologize. I was just thinking about those posts tonight, in fact, and realized you would be offended and regretted making them.

To the board: I should not have insulted Intrepid or brought him into this.

Helios Panoptes
07-16-2007, 07:54 AM
O.K. You're right. I apologize. I was just thinking about those posts tonight, in fact, and realized you would be offended and regretted making them.

To the board: I should not have insulted Intrepid or brought him into this.

What do you mean? Intrepid has been sassing you on this thread for pages with his Big Vinny account.

Mentious
07-16-2007, 07:58 AM
I accept your judgement on that matter.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:02 AM
You lack a quality all great ascetic men have possessed - EMOTIONAL restraint. You have none. It doesn't take much to set you off. Look at what it does to you, Julian. It causes perverted thoughts to enter your imagination, as evidenced by the homoerotic love fantasies you have written here. Try to control your emotions, Julian. That is all I'm saying.

Good point Hippias.

Posrep coming your way.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:07 AM
Oh dear. No-one can see your IP address except for yourself (If you read it carefully there is a disclaimer, also it's my signature, I didn't post it). It's a little internet trick. It's not very gentlemanly to call someone a 'nitwit' without having all of the facts, and I thought you prided yourself on that. :rolleyes:

OMG...this is gonna get funny very fast.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:08 AM
Waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit a minute. I thought I lived near San Diego at or around Intrepid's exact coordinates...

I want my 99 cents a minute back.


Hahahahahahaha.

Mentious
05-14-2010, 02:09 AM
Hippias: You lack a quality all great ascetic men have possessed - EMOTIONAL restraint. You have none.
I am not a perfect ascetic, no. Never said I was. But asceticism is good. I recommend ascetic practices.
On the other hand, Jesus had a habit of losing his temper. Hindu Yoga considers anger a fault.

It would not be accurate to say I have "none" for emotional restraint. I find myself refraining form critical speech and anger on a daily basis.
But a man who never shows anger over anything -- there's something wrong with him. He probably doesn't care enough.

By the way, on the thread topic (which drew me in because I used digital recording equipment a lot), the new Pro Tools upgrade is pretty cool. Version 8.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:09 AM
Keep embarrassing yourself, Julian.

He's been doing this for years....why stop now?

Intrepid
05-14-2010, 02:11 AM
This in indeed a fine thread. I'm merely glad that Julian showed the magnanimity of realizing when he was wrong, and apologizing for his erratic behavior and slander.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:11 AM
That was your intent, you hissing snake. In fact, your whole fucking signature and avatar are concocted to try to put me down. And yet you are fucking AIDS ridden poofter. Now go to hell.

Such language!

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:13 AM
It's hard to keep up with your retroactive edits, but I'll try.

You too, eh Johnson?

Mentious
05-14-2010, 02:13 AM
Intrepid and Niccolo are a matched pair. I note that I am Niccolo-and-Donkey's overarching concern these days.

When is the troll Niccolo going to be banned for serious harassment and for being a troll?

By the way, I just used the guitar distortion plug-in called "Eleven" on my digital recording rig. It was hyped and they say the Chilli Peppers guitarist uses it. I think it's junk. Sounds digital. Still nothing like real tubes.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:29 AM
Intrepid and I go way back.

He's friends with my mom.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:32 AM
I think it's time to bring Johnson back here.

Mentious
05-14-2010, 02:34 AM
Intrepid and I go way back.

He's friends with my mom.
Yeah, I bet you like all the same bands.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 02:36 AM
Yeah, I bet you like all the same bands.

I certainly don't like the faggy Winger.....I understand that you like them.

Mentious
05-14-2010, 02:39 AM
Actually, I never knew anything about them save the name, till one of them became a client.
He sent me a bunch of CDs, but I didn't like the music. Too harsh.

Intrepid
05-14-2010, 02:40 AM
I think it's time to bring Johnson back here.

Indeed. An appearance by Johnson would be quite apropos, especially considering how Julian is resorting to name calling and other underhanded forms of behavior.

Mentious
05-14-2010, 02:44 AM
Why did you idiots go away in the first place?
Johnson couldn't handle it when I made fun of his bass guitar?-

I love how Intrepid still says "apropos" all the time.

Cadavre Exquis
05-14-2010, 02:48 AM
Honest question, Julian. Why do you change your avatar so often?

Intrepid
05-14-2010, 02:49 AM
Actually, I knew anything about them except a name, till one of them became a client.
He sent be a bunch of CDs, but I didn't like the music. Too harsh.
I note he was very hetero, too. A good man, had a wife and kid he was faithful to. Was into classical composing then.
It was probably because the band was very heterosexual, and not perverted (like the bands you and Intrepid love), that the Jews targeted them with the "Simpsons" thing.

It was fun jamming with him. He used to be the bass player for Alice Cooper, and we knew a lot of the parts to the same songs.

Retelling of your saucy adventures of jamming with Winger seem to be giving me goose-pimples, Julian.

Intrepid
05-14-2010, 02:51 AM
Why did you idiots go away in the first place?
Johnson couldn't handle it when I made fun of his bass guitar?

I believe he was sensitive about that, yes.

Allegheny
05-14-2010, 02:53 AM
Your depth of honesty is refreshing. I wholeheartedly concur with your thoughts in this regard. If exceptions exist, they probably would be people with genetic disorders that manifest in incomplete cognition and the like.Aptly put.

Asceticism is often deep masochism masquerading as 'purity'. I recall reading of Indian ascetics, for example, who attempt to subsist on bird droppings that fall from the sky. This masochism is no anomalous aberration among ascetics. As Zen Master Seung Sahn recounted: "A long time ago a monk asked Zen Master Un Mun, 'What is Buddha?' Un Mun said, 'Dry shit on stick.'" Don't sweat the tangents. It's not like the other participants in this thread have scrupulously stuck to the topic of 'Digital Recording Equipment'.

Here is another way to look at it: someone like Julian Lee and someone like the Marquis de Sade may appear as opposites at first glance, but they are mirror-images of one another. Ask yourself: are self-denial and self-abuse so far apart? Does self-denial not quite often require the same self-hatred that exults in self-abuse? Is abuse of Self not just as abusive as abuse of Other, albeit focused more within rather than without?

The Marquis de Sade talks at length about sex organs, shit, sweat, sodomy, and semen, and sucking all of the above. Julian Lee talks at length about sex organs, shit, sweat, sodomy, and semen, and sucking all of the above. The former does so in the name of indulgence, and the latter, abstinence. Even so, do they not share much the same vocabulary? These men are so different, and yet so oddly the same.

Please don't get me wrong; I am not condemning control of self or control of the other. Both are necessary for civilization. As Joseph de Maistre pointed out, civilization depends on the noose and the hangman who wields it. It also relies on whips and gags and cuffs and chains and people with the will to wield these well. There is also a place for purity and a place for filth. However, when I smell self-abasement hiding behind a mask of self-righteousness, forgive me if I succumb to the temptation to rip that mask away. Quite pissibly indeed. Clearly, however, he is attracted to the 'perverse'. He cannot help but respond to this 'filthy' and 'perverted' thread. The more he insists on his purity the dirtier he reveals himself to be. "As dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly." (Proverbs XXVI,
11)

(rose) :google:

Mentious
05-14-2010, 03:01 AM
Only wimps are afraid of asceticism.

BY the way, why are you waving old posts by sage Barjag, the pervert who got banned from Phora for promoting sex with kids?
Retelling of your saucy adventures of jamming with Winger seem to be giving me goose-pimples, Julian.
I expect so. You would get sauce out of such a thing, Intrepid.
Are you still a big fan of this guy:

http://celibacy.info/images/HanoiRocks5-200.jpg

Intrepid
05-14-2010, 03:37 AM
I expect so. You would get sauce out of such a thing, Intrepid.

Perhaps it's merely in the manner in which you've retold this tale over the years, Julian. Like an old Heinz commercial, itz.


Are you still a big fan of this guy:

http://celibacy.info/images/HanoiRocks5-200.jpg

The first 4 Hanoi Rocks are quite good, yes, although nowhere in the league of such august musical giants as Winger, I'll be the first to admit

Mentious
05-14-2010, 03:42 AM
You would know, Intrepid.
I told the tale just for you. You and Johnson are the only ones who always want me to talk about "Winger."
But I have something for everyone.

Intrepid
05-14-2010, 04:07 AM
You would know, Intrepid.

I know you are, but what am I?

Mentious
05-14-2010, 04:28 AM
I know you are, but what am I?

You're making no sense now.
I hear you've been posting as "Lighto" at Stumle Inn these two years. Did that career thicken your brain?

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
05-14-2010, 04:29 AM
You're not making sense.
I hear you've been posting as "Lighto" at Stumle Inn these two years.

Intrepid is not my mother.

Lighto is Lighto and Bluto is Bluto, runt.

Intrepid
05-14-2010, 05:04 AM
:confused: You're not making sense, Intrepid.
I hear you've been posting as "Lighto" at Stumle Inn these two years. Did that career thicken your brain?

Absolutely false. That's a malicious lie put forth by one Martin Lindstedt, and furthered by other online charlatans.

I'd recommend, for your own good, you don't follow their collective folly in repeating said accusation.