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Oblisk
02-17-2007, 01:05 AM
Which is far superior?

Star Trek is far superior than the fantasy-esque Star Wars.

edit: Please move this to Popular Culture.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
02-17-2007, 01:06 AM
Both are good for white nerds!

I prefer star wars video games to star trek video games. So based on that, I'll say star wars.

Keystone
02-17-2007, 01:06 AM
Lord of the Rings

Oblisk
02-17-2007, 01:07 AM
Lord of the Rings

Can you not answer a simple question?

Nyx
02-17-2007, 01:09 AM
Star Trek - because of sheer accumulation of detail. I get a greater sense of a Star Trek "universe" than a Star Wars one.

Keystone
02-17-2007, 01:11 AM
Can you not answer a simple question?
Tolkien's Lord of the Rings is superior to both the schleppy cinema/TV series'. Very much superior.

Go and read it(again if you have)

Oblisk
02-17-2007, 01:13 AM
Tolkien's Lord of the Rings is superior to both the schleppy cinema/TV series'. Very much superior.

Go and read it(again if you haven't)

The Lord of the Ring trilogy and the Star Trek/Wars universe are completely different. It is foolish to say whether which one is "superior" over the other.

Nyx
02-17-2007, 01:13 AM
Tolkien's Lord of the Rings is superior to both the schleppy cinema/TV series'. Very much superior.

Go and read it(again if you haven't)Melvyn Peake wrote better fantasy fiction than Tolkien. Tolkien is so overrated.

Ahknaton
02-17-2007, 01:14 AM
Star Wars is superior because of the mythic element that is lacking in the more sci-fi oriented and geekish Star Trek. Lucas was heavily influenced by the work of Joseph Campbell (especially "Hero with a Thousand Faces) and incorporated a lot of the mythic archetypes described by Campbell into his movies. I find movies with an esoteric symbolic meaning beneath an exoteric plot-line to be more enjoyable than films or TV series where there is no meaning but that which is visible on the surface. Then you get to decode it!

Ahknaton
02-17-2007, 01:15 AM
Melvyn Peake wrote better fantasy fiction than Tolkien. Tolkien is so overrated.
You should take leopoldbloom to see an art gallery some time.

Keystone
02-17-2007, 01:17 AM
The Lord of the Ring trilogy and the Star Trek/Wars universe are completely different. It is foolish to say whether which one is "superior" over the other.
No, it is not.

LOTR is from a brilliant mind, and a great work of literature.

Star Trek/Star Wars is schlock entertainment.

Oblisk
02-17-2007, 01:17 AM
Star Wars is superior because of the mythic element that is lacking in the more sci-fi oriented and geekish Star Trek. Lucas was heavily influenced by the work of Joseph Campbell (especially "Hero with a Thousand Faces) and incorporated a lot of the mythic archetypes described by Campbell into his movies. I find movies with an esoteric symbolic meaning beneath an exoteric plot-line to be more enjoyable than films or TV series where there is no meaning but that which is visible on the surface. Then you get to decode it!

Star Trek is heavily influenced by poetry, classical music, and opera.

Nyx
02-17-2007, 01:17 AM
You should take leopoldbloom to see an art gallery some time.Why leopoldbloom, of all people?

Helios Panoptes
02-17-2007, 01:19 AM
I am not a fan of either. I haven't even seen Return of the Jedi. I am unable to sit through even one full episode of Star Trek, so Star Wars wins easily.

Keystone
02-17-2007, 01:21 AM
Melvyn Peake wrote better fantasy fiction than Tolkien. Tolkien is so overrated.
The Gormenghast Trilogy is good, but doesn't approach Tolkien's level of sheer enjoyment.

ActionAlert
02-17-2007, 01:25 AM
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NERDS!!!

Oblisk
02-17-2007, 01:26 AM
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Keystone
02-17-2007, 01:30 AM
Don't be sore losers, kids.

Mike
02-17-2007, 01:35 AM
LOTR is fantastic. A great story and triumph of the imagination.

I voted for Star Wars, given the poll as it is. Star Trek is annoying - the backdrop is smug, preachy multiculturalism in outer space.

Lord of the Rings

ActionAlert
02-17-2007, 01:36 AM
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4066/fantjo3.jpg
Whattya bet these guys are wearing NIKES?

Jimbo Gomez
02-17-2007, 01:42 AM
Star trek of course. Star Wars isn't even sci fi. It's just some wannabe myth which lacks credibility.

Mike
02-17-2007, 01:43 AM
They're just having nerdy fun. It's not a cult, and there's no harm in it. That being said, I would never allow myself to be so photographed.

Whattya bet these guys are wearing NIKES?

shanemac
02-17-2007, 01:48 AM
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Is that Legolas88 in the helmet?

ActionAlert
02-17-2007, 01:52 AM
They're just having nerdy fun. It's not a cult, and there's no harm in it. That being said, I would never allow myself to be so photographed.
...I'm just having fun at nerds. Howdee Mike!:wave: How are things at the Venting Nonsense Network Forum? :snore:

Mike
02-17-2007, 02:00 AM
LOL. Good to hear from you. Truth told, I rarely post there anymore, though I do check in for PMs and whatnot. Alex actually reinstated free speech, but after already driving off 75%+ of the smart posters with Rounder and that arrogant porn debacle, it now matters little. I do wonder how Antiochus Epiphanes is doing these days. But hey, it's Alex's show, so who am I to criticize. One of these days maybe I'll start my own thing.

...I'm just having fun at nerds. Howdee Mike!:wave: How are things at the Venting Nonsense Network Forum? :snore:

ActionAlert
02-17-2007, 02:09 AM
LOL. Good to hear from you. Truth told, I rarely post there anymore, though I do check in for PMs and whatnot. Alex actually reinstated free speech, but after already driving off 75%+ of the smart posters with Rounder and that arrogant porn debacle, it now matters little. I do wonder how Antiochus Epiphanes is doing these days. But hey, it's Alex's show, so who am I to criticize. One of these days maybe I'll start my own thing.
He's at the Gold Is Money Forum, but I forget what his name is on there. I made a new password at VNN and then closed my eyes to pick it and I also changed my contact email address to something made up, so I have no way to get back on there except re-register which I am not going to do. Once in a blue moon I look just to see how many posters are on there. Never is it more than ten..

that guy
02-17-2007, 02:21 AM
Personally I'm not that crazy about either. For example, I only saw portions of Star Wars #1 and #2, I saw nothing of #3, #5 I don't remember, and #6 I barely remember.

Nevertheless, Star Wars is a cinematographic masterpiece; the culmination of Lucas's life's work and inspiration. It has layers, depth, and a cool soundtrack. Yes, it is somewhat childish and is certainly flawed, but to compare it to a bloody TV show is an insult to Lucas and to common sense.

Thomas777
02-17-2007, 03:22 AM
The original 'Star Trek' is good shit...not becuase its thought provoking, well scripted, or anything like that, but because its 1960s, no-budget TV with William Shatner fighting guys in surplus gorilla costumes, strippers with green bodypaint portraying alien babes, Nazi planets, Roman empire planets, Old West planets, and all manner of stupidass things that are cool as fuck when considered in context.

Star Wars I can do without...other than 'Empire Strikes Back'. That is a dark film...and the scene where Luke Skywalker walks into the swamp to face his fear and meets Darth Vader whom (upon killing him) he discovers is himself. That scene holds up bigtime...I thought so when I saw it in the theater at 8 years old or so and I think so now. Other than that, I cannot say I understand the whole cult behind it.

The only escapist films I really get into are 'Conan the Barbarian' and 'Blade Runner'...but then again, if you read the underlying themes, neither of those films are actually escapist.

Johnson
02-17-2007, 08:32 AM
Star Wars doesn't really offer anything to think about. Trek is fun because some of the futuristic aspects are desirable, such as food replicators, holodecks, the medical 'tricorders,' so forth. It's more believable, I guess.

///M power
02-17-2007, 08:51 AM
star wars, absolutely. Lord of the rings is also one of the bests.

Oblisk
02-17-2007, 09:19 AM
Star Wars is winning in this poll.

The lack of testosterone is disturbing.

Arrow Cross
02-17-2007, 09:31 AM
LOTR is fantastic. A great story and triumph of the imagination.
LOTR is from a brilliant mind, and a great work of literature.
And a racemixing-idealizing bullshite from the pen of an anti-racist madman, which is not even slightly related to this topic of two science fiction movies.

Zubenelgenubi
02-17-2007, 09:34 AM
I voted for star trek. There was awhile when I was way into star wars when I was a teenager, but I've always really been more of a trek fan- it's more of universe and I grew up with it more than I did with star wars. Altho there is definitely sci-fi that I like better.

///M power
02-17-2007, 09:41 AM
I voted for star trek. There was awhile when I was way into star wars when I was a teenager, but I've always really been more of a trek fan- it's more of universe and I grew up with it more than I did with star wars. Altho there is definitely sci-fi that I like better.
females usually hate star wars/star trek. just super nerdy ones like it..:rofl:
so far I couldn't convince any female to watch star wars.

Zubenelgenubi
02-17-2007, 09:44 AM
You can't get any to watch Star Wars? That's weird. I don't think I've ever met anyone who has not seen Star Wars.

///M power
02-17-2007, 09:51 AM
You can't get any to watch Star Wars? That's weird. I don't think I've ever met anyone who has not seen Star Wars.

I meant females! males like science fiction,but most females hate movies about spaceships and all that stuff.
I couldn't get any female to watch star wars with me,they said its boring..
I guess you are different.:)

Zubenelgenubi
02-17-2007, 10:04 AM
I meant females! males like science fiction,but most females hate movies about spaceships and all that stuff.
I couldn't get any female to watch star wars with me,they said its boring..
I guess you are different.:)
Yeah, but I mean I've never met a man or woman, nerdy or not, who hasn't seen Star Wars.

Sulla the Dictator
02-17-2007, 10:48 AM
After the last 3 Star Wars movies, I feel comfortable saying that Deep Space 9 is superior to Star Wars.

Screw the other Star Treks though.

Jimbo Gomez
02-17-2007, 12:05 PM
After the last 3 Star Wars movies, I feel comfortable saying that Deep Space 9 is superior to Star Wars.

Screw the other Star Treks though.


Figures that Sulla goes for negro trek. :D

Vasily Zaitsev
02-17-2007, 01:12 PM
After the last 3 Star Wars movies, I feel comfortable saying that Deep Space 9 is superior to Star Wars.

Screw the other Star Treks though.

Check the temperature in Hell, because I'm almost completely in agreement with Sulla on an issue.

I enjoy all of the Trek series, but DS9 stood out from the rest--especially with the Dominion War story arc.

Jimbo Gomez
02-17-2007, 01:21 PM
It was a boring series, that got better in the last few seasons. The first half of it sucked ass though, so I don't rate it that high. Still better than Voyager of course. Voyager only had two good things going for it, and both were directly in front of 7 of 9.

///M power
02-17-2007, 01:58 PM
when I said star wars I meant to the original 3 films,they were wonderful! the 3 new episodes suck! didn't like them at all.

Winston
02-17-2007, 02:18 PM
I've always found Star Trek to be extremely dull. A much more imaginative world was created for Starwars.

Oblisk
02-17-2007, 02:22 PM
I enjoy all of the Trek series, but DS9 stood out from the rest--especially with the Dominion War story arc.

If you enjoyed DS9, you will enjoy Babylon 5. DS9 basically copied everything from Babylon 5.

Vasily Zaitsev
02-17-2007, 02:26 PM
If you enjoyed DS9, you will enjoy Babylon 5. DS9 basically copied everything from Babylon 5.

I remember watching early episodes of Babylon 5 in 1993 or so. The bad acting and terrible special effects put me off. Perhaps it improved in later seasons.

Oblisk
02-17-2007, 02:33 PM
I remember watching early episodes of Babylon 5 in 1993 or so. The bad acting and terrible special effects put me off. Perhaps it improved in later seasons.

Season 1 is horrible. Gets much better in Season 2.

Zubenelgenubi
02-17-2007, 07:48 PM
DS9 is pretty sweet.

Firefly is better than any of this, though.

Furor Teutonicus
02-17-2007, 08:33 PM
Which is far superior?

None of the above.

Nyx
02-17-2007, 08:44 PM
The Gormenghast Trilogy is good, but doesn't approach Tolkien's level of sheer enjoyment. Tolkien's writing never reaches the descriptive/poetic power of Peake's. I think the Lord of the Rings is an entertaining read, but it's nothing more than entertaining. As a work of art it falls quite short of greatness. I number it amongst many other great adventure stories, like the works of Arthur Conan Doyle or Robert Louis Stevenson, but it's not quite at the same level as the Gormenghast Trilogy.

Jim West
02-17-2007, 08:51 PM
I have to agree with some others here too: neither choice. For instance, neither Kirk, Picard, Han Solo, or Darth Vader could kick this space dude's ass. He'd kick theirs instead, then turn them all into boy-toys.

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Ahknaton
02-17-2007, 10:10 PM
DS9 is pretty sweet.

Firefly is better than any of this, though.
Firefly is so overrated darling.

Zubenelgenubi
02-17-2007, 10:45 PM
Firefly is so overrated darling.
No way, dude. :)

Vasily Zaitsev
02-18-2007, 11:37 AM
Firefly is so overrated darling.

Disagreed.

Despite the show's throw-away libertarian politics, it's damned fine entertainment.

il ragno
02-18-2007, 03:30 PM
Why is there a running Tolkien vs Peake argument going on in a Trek/Wars thread? Talk about apples and oranges.

I myself was 7 or 8 when the original ST series ran and hardly ever watched it. What I prize most about that show (the terrible acting, junior-high-school-play sets, and how every alien race in the galaxy was not just humanoid but populated by b-list guest stars from other tv shows) are the sorts of things you don't develop a sweet tooth for until later on in life, anyway.

When the first STAR WARS came out I was around 16 or 17 and I remember staying to see it twice in the theater with my friends, purely to watch that climactic, video-game-like final dogfight just before the Death Star got zotzed. At that point in time, having endured so many sf and horror movies undone by laughably-substandard fx, we all saw much more in STAR WARS than was ever there because of the kickass miniature and blue-screen work.

But to me, even back then, the most potent and exciting science-fiction didn't take place in space, but on Earth...cautionary tales of possible futures seemed much more plausible and pleasurably frightening to me than space operas, which were usually war movies or pirate movies or Westerns, with ray-guns and a high-tech gloss, transplanted to deep space.

Much as I hate to tip my hat to my bete noire Oberon, he once cited a low-budget PBS sf movie called THE LATHE OF HEAVEN as being top-shelf and I had to concur. Basically a high-tech, alien-visitation spin on THE MONKEY'S PAW, it was both thought-provoking and nightmare-inducing....as a kid, I probably dug horror stories more than any other kind, and thus future-apocalypse stories were the most satisfying tributary of the science-fiction stream, combining the best elements of both sf (fully-fleshed-out, internally consistent future societies and/or alien worlds) and the ghost/horror story (where you laugh off the ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE warnings only to pay a terrible price).

For some reason, Charlton Heston, of all people, made lots of films like this - the original PLANET OF THE APES, SOYLENT GREEN, THE OMEGA MAN - that all struck a deep chord in me. And many of the sf writers I'm fondest of also had this fluidity of being able to veer between sf and horror (often in the same story), or sf and satire, or sf and some other nominally-earthbound genre - to me the best and richest sf is the kind where the cliches and tropes of sf are always secondary to the storytelling, and used almost for a surrealist effect to make the characters and conflicts in the tale more vivid and unforgettable.

Keystone
02-18-2007, 05:27 PM
I watched the original ST, but can't remember why. Probably my big sister liked it (only 1 TV).
I didn't watch the multiple ST series that came after.
You couldn't avoid Star Wars in the 70's. It was huge. I enjoyed the FX, that's about it.

I also preferred the earthbound SF stories that il ragno mentioned. They had more of an effect on my imagination, because of the settings.

But then again, my favorite TV program used to be "Wild Wild West"...