Iran leader: Move Israel to Europe

[Felix the Cat]

Iran leader: Move Israel to Europe (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/08/iran.israel.reut/index.html)

TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) -- Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.

His comments, reported by Iran's official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave on Thursday in the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follows his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map," which sparked widespread international condemnation.

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail," IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he said.

"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."

Six million Jews were killed in the Nazi Holocaust. Ahmadinejad's remarks drew swift rebukes from Israel and Washington.

"This is not the first time, unfortunately, that the Iranian president has expressed the most outrageous ideas concerning Jews and Israel," said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev.

"He is not just Israel's problem. He is a worry for the entire international community," he added.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "It just further underscores our concerns about the regime in Iran and it's all the more reason why it's so important that the regime not have the ability to develop nuclear weapons."
Once allies

Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust happened, but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the creation of Israel and continued Western support for it.

Close allies when Iran was ruled by the U.S.-backed Shah, Iran and Israel have become implacable foes since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.

Israel accuses Iran of giving arms and funding to militant Palestinian groups such as Islamic Jihad and of building nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charges.

Tehran calls Israel a "terrorist state" and has developed missiles that can reach it. It says it would use them if Israel, itself believed to be nuclear-armed, tried to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

Earlier in his remarks, the Iranian president, a former Revolutionary Guardsman who won a surprise election victory in June, said:

"The question is, where do those who rule in Palestine as occupiers come from? Where were they born? Where did their fathers live? They have no roots in Palestine but they have taken the fate of Palestine in their hands.

"Isn't the right to national self-determination one of the principles of the United Nations charter? Why do they deprive Palestinians of this right?"

Jews trace their roots in Israel back to Biblical times.

Ahmadinejad concluded his remarks by reiterating Iran's proposal that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict be resolved via a referendum of all the inhabitants of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, as well as Palestinian refugees in neighboring countries.

"Whatever they decide will be accepted by all humanity. This is a clear democratic solution which is based on international principles," he said.

[Excorcism]

LOL! I remember this remark, the "seeing a holy light" thing, and now this. This guy cracks me up. I wonder when his teeth will finally reach around the back of his head to eat his brain.

I'm betting ten bucks on two weeks, anyone want to see that bet?

[Felix the Cat]

Actually, with one small transatlantic modification this would be an excellent plan

[Starr]

The jews love to use the holocaust guilt trip thing to win support for Israel and fools eat it right up. The man has that much right.

[Billy Score]

i love this guy. Proof that iran is superior to the JewSA can be seen just by looking at him. In the US someone like him wouldn't stand a chance becuase he isn't "handsome" enough. Fact: more women voted in the JFK vs. nixon election than any other.

[Felix the Cat]

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[Excorcism]

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he's definitly not a looker.

[Berianidze]

i love this guy. Proof that iran is superior to the JewSA can be seen just by looking at him. In the US someone like him wouldn't stand a chance becuase he isn't "handsome" enough. Fact: more women voted in the JFK vs. nixon election than any other.

Yes this demonstrated quite well the shallow nature of the U.S. voters. Also, those who watched the debates on television (this being the first televised debate) thought JFK won based on his demeanor and overall looks (Nixon was unshaven, sweaty, and shaky); while those who listened to the debate on the radio clearly noticed that on the issues and as far as actual debating went, Nixon was the clear winner.

I have a lot of respect and admiration for this guy (the Iranian leader). He seems like he's not going to give in nor bend over for the West/Israel. He seems right on point too with his opinions and views regarding Israel.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Deal with your own problems moslem. :D

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I love it when some of these leaders openly say the Holoco$t is BS.

An Iranian-produced film questioning the veracity of the Holocaust is expected to be broadcast soon on Iranian state-owned television and on the Lebanese al-Manar TV, owned by the Iranian terrorist proxy organization Hezbollah, Mr. Amir said. The French Holocaust denier Roger Garaudy has visited Tehran several times, as has the British denier David Irving. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the classic anti-Semitic fraud, is a best seller in Iran, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the group that Mr. Ahmadinejad belonged to since early life, teaches that Jews control America's banking and Hollywood.

"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail," Mr. Ahmadinejad said at a news conference in Mecca yesterday, according to the Iranian news agency IRNA. "Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: Is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support of the occupiers of Jerusalem?

"If the Europeans are honest," he added, "they should give some of their provinces in Europe - like in Germany, Austria, or other countries - to the Zionists, and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."

[The Retard]

The EUs reaction:


Iranian leader condemned for Holocaust remarks

ERLIN (Reuters) - Germany, Russia and Switzerland joined the
European Union on Friday in a chorus of condemnation of the Iranian president for suggesting the Holocaust might not have taken place and that
Israel should be moved to Europe.

The remarks by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, at a news conference in the Saudia Arabian city of Mecca on Thursday, follow his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map," which also sparked broad international criticism.

The German Foreign Ministry said it had summoned
Iran's ambassador to protest, and ministry spokesman Martin Jaeger told a news conference this was being done to show how seriously Berlin was taking the comments.

"When one summons an ambassador, then you signal the start of something in diplomacy, that there are grounds for serious discussion," Jaeger told reporters.

Iran's official news agency IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying of the Nazi Holocaust "Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces..."

"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he said.

"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe."

Britain, which currently holds the rotating EU presidency and has played a key role in European attempts to persuade Tehran to give up its nuclear ambitions, said such comments had "no place in civilized political debate."

TWO STATES SIDE BY SIDE

"Iran is unique in opposing a resolution to the Arab-Israel dispute based on the principle of two states living side by side in peace and security," Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said in a presidency statement.

"I urge all states to support that vision, and Iran to cease its support to groups who want to undermine it through violence," Straw said.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said of Ahmadinejad's comments: "It is difficult to comment on such unacceptable remarks."

"There are well known historical facts concerning World War Two, including the Holocaust. These facts cannot be revised and this should be understood by everyone," it said in a statement.

Neutral Switzerland -- which has represented the United States' interests in Iran since the year after the 1979 Islamic revolution -- also condemned the remarks.

"The Federal Department of Foreign Affairs firmly condemns the remarks ... with regard to the State of Israel," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement issued in the capital Berne.

"The terms used by the Iranian President are unacceptable ... none of the member states of the
United Nations is entitled to express positions aiming at denying the existence of another member state of the United Nations," it added.

U.N. Secretary-General
Kofi Annan and the United States have also issued strong condemnations of the Iranian remarks.

German Jewish leaders called for political sanctions against the Islamic republic over Ahmadinejad's remarks. Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany.

Paul Spiegel, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said in a statement: "Political instruments ranging from political and economic sanctions to expulsion from the United Nations must finally be seriously looked at and used."

Michel Friedman, chairman of the German chapter of the international Jewish organization Keren Hayesod, was equally determined. "I call on the government ... to sever diplomatic ties with Iran," Friedman told N24 news television.

Ahmadinejad's remarks were reminiscent of Libyan leader
Muammar Gaddafi's proposal in 1990 -- on the eve of a massive exodus of Soviet Jews -- that the Jews be given "an alternative homeland in the Baltic Republics, Alaska, Alsace-Lorraine or on the Volga River. These are Jewish areas, not Palestine."

"By what right are Jews emigrating from their countries to Palestine? If the Jews are being persecuted in their countries this does not give them the right to persecute other people, namely the Palestinians," he told an Inter-Parliamentary Union conference in Nicosia.

[Forza Azzurri]

LOL bullshit reaction from Europe. I know all the european countries will finally exterminate the Jews if they set up their state in Europe.:rofl:

[Berianidze]

I'd say the most appropriate place for Israel would be at the bottom of the Mariana's Trench.

[Revolution_of_the_Mind]

LOL bullshit reaction from Europe. I know all the european countries will finally exterminate the Jews if they set up their state in Europe

Hail Holocaust II!!

I'd say the most appropriate place for Israel would be at the bottom of the Mariana's Trench.

:rofl: The sea creatures would wage a bloody war on them.

[Excorcism]

...ya, ever since this new President has been in power...there really hasn't been a dull moment. The guy is frekaing nuts and the reactions from his speeches are hilarious. It's almost like a damn game show.

[Starr]

Do anything other than praise the Jews and you have no place in civilized society. The reactions from these leaders confirm what the Iranian president said, to anyone with half a brain.

[Atlas]

I'm sure most Jews would love to have their own country in the centre of Europe.

[Felix the Cat]

(Written by a German. He's joking. I think.)

Ahmadinejad’s idea on Israel correct in principal (http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=12/14/2005&Cat=2&Num=003)

Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad’s suggestion to move Israel to Germany is not as absurd as it sounds. If you consider the idea impartially, you can see a historic land reform concept which can be advantageous to all parties.

Everyone is attacking the Iranian president again because he suggested moving Israel from the Middle East to Germany, or Austria. Even those who were not outraged about Ahmadinejad’s demand "to wipe Israel off the map" are agitated, because now they see the problem as becoming theirs. As much as a "world without Zionism" is imaginable, a Europe with a Jewish State in its midst is a vision of horror that no one wants to follow to its logical conclusion.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel called Ahmadinejad’s suggestions "totally unacceptable". Her hasty reaction did not take into account that the Iranian president had, after all, moved away from his original demand to destroy Israel and now wants a "relocation" of the "Zionist entity". From a humanitarian point of view, this is progress: The Israelis should no longer disappear into the ocean, but be sent on an overseas journey instead. One could also say that Europe should take back the problem that it created and exported. But the recipient is refusing delivery of the parcel even before it has been sent.

Sure enough: When Ahmadinejad is right, he’s right. It doesn’t help to call him "inexperienced in foreign affairs", as the director of the Orient Institute, Udo Steinbach, recently did.

The Middle East conflict is not only collateral damage of the Holocaust, it’s a product of European anti-Semitism. Without the pogroms in Poland and Russia, without the Dreyfuss Affair in France (which made Herzl into a Zionist), without the German attempt at the "final solution" to the Jewish problem, the Jews would still be dreaming of their own state instead of having to protect it.

Ahmadinejad’s idea may be vague, but in principal it is correct. The Palestinians are paying for the sins of the Europeans. And if there were such a thing as historical justice in this world, the Jewish state would have been founded in Schleswig-Holstein or in Bavaria, and not in Palestine.

I have written this sentence several times in the past -- the last time right here -- and am both delighted and surprised that Ahmadinejad has seized upon my suggestion, even if didn’t give me the credit.

Historically, this idea is not so absurd as it is now being portrayed. The Zionist movement was unsure for a long time where the "Jewish State" should be situated. Herzl spoke from a "piece of the earth’s surface" that Jews would be able to administer. There were considerations to establish a "colony" in Uganda or Argentina. That Palestine was finally chosen had both historical and emotional, as well as practical reasons. William II, who considered himself to be the patron of the holy sites in Jerusalem, wanted a "German protectorate" in Palestine, and was therefore receptive to Herzel’s ideas. If it had not been for the First World War, something could have come of the project.

As it was, Israel was only established after the Second World War under very different, extremely dramatic circumstances. It was not only about giving the Jews a "home", but also to get a half a million "displaced persons", survivors of the Holocaust, out of Europe. And so, the old Jewish prayer "next year in Jerusalem" became reality.

But as often happens with wishes and dreams that come true, hardly had the Europeans solved the problem, but a new one was created. It is indeed difficult to explain to the Palestinians why they should share their country with the Jews who were treated badly in Europe. The Palestinians are not responsible for either the pogroms from Kishinev to Kielce, nor for the concentration camp politics of the Nazis.

Return to the principle that the Party Responsible is Liable for the Damages. What Ahmadinejad is now demanding is the return to the principle that the party responsible pay for the damages.

Those responsible for solving a problem are those who created it.

And those are the Europeans. At most one could hold against him that his knowledge of history isn’t very good because he reduces the contribution to the Germans, instead of taking the Russians, the Poles and the French to task as well.

But this deficiency doesn’t change the fact that Ahmadinejad is essentially right. And instead of being outraged about his suggestion, it would be better to recognize the advantages that they offer all parties concerned. The Israelis would finally get rid of their biggest problem: security. The Germans would now be in charge of that. And in view of the traditionally good Arab German relations, no Arab country would dare to attack Germany.

The second large advantage would be: Instead of having to spend a lot of money on trips to Europe, the Israelis would already be there, where they feel comfortable, where you can do great shopping, and where you can ride a bus or a train even on Saturdays. The return for the Germans would be even bigger. They would finally have the "Jewish contribution to German culture" back that they have so painfully missed since 1939. No more yearning for fresh bagels, Klezmer music, kosher finger food, Jewish inventors, or Nobel Prize winners. They would all be included in the German statistics.

There are places in the Allgaeu that have similarities with the landscape in Samaria.

The question remains, where would one establish the Jewish state on German soil. Schleswig-Holstein and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern are sparsely populated, there are millions of empty apartments in the former East Germany. But one can’t assume that the Jews would want to settle close to the water again. It is also beautiful in the mountains, and there are areas in the Allgau that have similarities with the landscape in Samaria.

If one contemplates the Iranian president’s suggestions without preconceived opinion and considers all the advantages and disadvantages without anger, one has to admit that the idea is more than just funky. It is enticing. Until now, "The history of the German territory reaches Palestine" was the sentence which was the basis of the German Near East policy. Now the opportunity would present itself to carry out an historic land reform, to clean up in one’s own house.

But it won’t come to that. Like all new ideas, this one too will be kicked around and rejected at the end. And who knows, perhaps in Aachen someone is already thinking about awarding the next medal to the Iranian president, in spite of his terrible earnestness.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Oh those silly Germans, soon they'll nuke themselves in orer to prove just how sorry they are anout that whole WW2 thing.

[Anarch]

Someone should reduce Iran to plate glass. That'd be funny. Then we could move Israel there.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Someone should reduce Iran to plate glass. That'd be funny. Then we could move Israel there.

Think how good the world would be without islamics and jews screwing it up.

Your plan sucks by the way, I don't want jews in control of all that oil there. It belongs to Europe. :D