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Przemysław
03-04-2007, 08:05 PM
Poll option A
http://www.fatherryan.org/holocaust/nyouth/yboys.gif


or



Poll option B
http://a414.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_03ddb4868a2acf2c455bd76c4d71a81d.jpg

or


Other

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
03-04-2007, 08:09 PM
Picture a, it looks like black and white nazis, picture b is cool, its some wigger child.

Helios Panoptes
03-04-2007, 08:09 PM
I voted "other." The correct answer is: this thread, in toto.

Mackie
03-04-2007, 08:13 PM
the second one by far ;/

Incitatus
03-04-2007, 08:16 PM
The parents of that poor kid on picture B should be executed for what they've done to this boy. They shall be hanged from a skyscraper, where everyone can see them, as an example for the public.

sugartits
03-04-2007, 08:22 PM
Neither are worse in comparison to eachother, they both pale in comparison to my bright, shining ideals of how young people should be.

sugartits
03-04-2007, 08:32 PM
Neither are worse in comparison to eachother, they both pale in comparison to my bright, shining ideals of how young people should be.

...the generative force within mankind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSvJgRSiJSM


neither slaves to idealogy or uhh....wiggers. But who cares about wiggers, really?

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
03-04-2007, 09:32 PM
I have to say picture b is f*cking awsome...and this is coming from the mouth of a racist person.

Berianidze
03-04-2007, 09:58 PM
I second Helios' answer; this thread. Nothing more than blatant attempts to force between two undesirable options.

Lily
03-04-2007, 10:57 PM
Picture B looks like a parody to me.

Starr
03-04-2007, 11:03 PM
What is sick is that a lot of people might look at picture b and think nothing is wrong with it, possibly even that it is cute. The kid is already on the road to hating himself and his race. Not much of anything could possibly be worse than that.

sugartits
03-04-2007, 11:17 PM
The kid is already on the road to hating himself and his race. Not much of anything could possibly be worse than that.

? is that so

Try using a corrupt and over-active imagination.

Starr
03-04-2007, 11:26 PM
His parents in dressing him like that are sending him the message at a very early age that negroes and gangsta culture is cool. He will grow up seeing all of those same ideas all over the television, a society that also strips him of his own racial identity. Flip to the other side of that, what would happen if that little white boy was wearing for instance, a "white pride" t-shirt?(I would not agree with that either since it would just make him an unneccesary target at an age where he would not have much understanding of these things) people would be saying that parents are teaching the kid hate and maybe the kid should even be taken away from them. Teaching him to worship and imitate the thug and criminal culture of another race is much more acceptable in our backwards society, however.

Sulla the Dictator
03-04-2007, 11:37 PM
The parents of that poor kid on picture B should be executed for what they've done to this boy. They shall be hanged from a skyscraper, where everyone can see them, as an example for the public.

Capital punishment for wearing a T-shirt. Secular Talibanism.

Very appealing.

Sulla the Dictator
03-04-2007, 11:41 PM
His parents in dressing him like that are sending him the message at a very early age that negroes and gangsta culture is cool. He will grow up seeing all of those same ideas all over the television, a society that also strips him of his own racial identity. Flip to the other side of that, what would happen if that little white boy was wearing for instance, a "white pride" t-shirt?(I would not agree with that either since it would just make him an unneccesary target at an age where he would not have much understanding of these things)


LOL As if those things are equal. The little kid can be playing a dress up joke (The outfit and pose looks a little too absurd to be actual street wear) for the camera. And what you call "negro culture" is your own insipid take on what is nothing more than modern gutter culture.

As if people who wear "Save a horse ride a cowboy" t-shirts around your little burg are AT ALL culturally superior or preferable. They're the same low brow type of rubbish that has ALWAYS appealed to lower class urban peoples.

Compare this to your ridiculous example of HATING people of other races and wishing them to be removed (Through deportation or murder) from their communities.

Shiksappeal
03-04-2007, 11:43 PM
I take it that some people here don't approve of people doing what they want even if it doesn't harm anyone else?

Sulla the Dictator
03-04-2007, 11:44 PM
I take it that some people here don't approve of people doing what they want even if it doesn't harm anyone else?

They USUALLY don't approve of people doing what they want, ESPECIALLY if it doesn't harm anyone else.

Mentious
03-04-2007, 11:45 PM
A very easy choice to make:

The children in Picture A are replete with personal self-discipline, are learning many useful skills, and developing timeless human virtues like loyalty, intrepidness, and valor. They have a lot of inspiration and feel involved in something great, consciously standing for some high ideals. They have Community. These boys are actually living out the ideal fantasy life of most young boys. They are getting to experience comraderie and fellow feeling with one another. They experience many outdoor environments, and go on adventures that most boys only dream of. They also look healthier than the schlep in Picture B.

The boy in Picture B is a very unfortunate young man and obviously has no father in his life. He takes inspiration from low-life, gangsters, and talentless apes whose only ability is to press the button of a digital drum machine and shout obscenities, act like thugs, and behave indecently by grabbing at their crotches. His heroes celebrate vice, depravity, violence, and self-aggrandizement. His heroes are those of demonstrably lower race. He is not developing any skills or life competence, he has little to no self-discipline, no pride in himself, his heritage, or his race. He doesn't even look healthy. He probably never does outdoor activities. He is isolated and probably has no father. He is very soft and feminine looking, and he would have no hope or prayer of dealing with a real thug who wanted to harass or hurt him. (Much different story with the boys in Picture A, who are developing manly attitudes and abilities.) The boy in Picture B is a very sad thing to see.

The boy in Picture B is just the way some evil people want young White men to be.

Starr
03-04-2007, 11:49 PM
Compare this to your ridiculous example of HATING people of other races and wishing them to be removed (Through deportation or murder) from their communities.


Where did I give an example of this? Look how quickly you jump up to associate anything pro-white with hate and mass extermination of other races.:whip:

And, yes, sulla the way that kid is dressed is associated with "negro gangsta" culture. Anyone can clearly see and know that. I know you do too.

Sulla the Dictator
03-04-2007, 11:54 PM
Where did I give an example of this? Look how quickly you jump up to associate anything pro-white with hate and mass extermination of other races.:whip:

Its easy to do, because you are. I mean, you choose a kid wearing a T-shirt that you didn't like as being WORSE than Nazism. Thats just stupid.

...Unless you endorse the activities of the Nazis.

Sulla the Dictator
03-04-2007, 11:58 PM
And, yes, sulla the way that kid is dressed is associated with "negro gangsta" culture. Anyone can clearly see and know that. I know you do too.

I disagree that there is anything particularly racially unique about what you're talking about to call it 'negro'. You're about twenty years out of date.

Why is it inferior to "Save a horse ride a cowboy" shirts? Or "Ride her hard put her away wet", a shirt I saw worn at Vegas's biggest country bar the other day? I'm eager to hear you wax philosophical about these noble 'white man' t-shirts, as opposed to some little kid with a 'playa' shirt.

Sulla the Dictator
03-05-2007, 12:00 AM
The children in Picture A are replete personal self-discipline, many skills, and many human virtues such as loyalty, valor, and bravery. They have a lot of inspiration and feel involved in something great. They are actually living out the ideal fantasy life of most young boys in picture A. They stand for some high ideals as well. They are getting to experience comraderie and fellow feeling. They experience the outdoors in many different contexts, and go on adventures that most boys only dream of.


Boys like that would later be part of death squads hanging mayors of German towns and farmers who had the nerve to ask why the Fuehrer let the war go on in 1945.

Its all so precious!

Sulla the Dictator
03-05-2007, 12:03 AM
Poll option A
http://www.fatherryan.org/holocaust/nyouth/yboys.gif



If you like this, you're going to love the madrassa.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
03-05-2007, 12:05 AM
Rap music is talking about murder.

Nazism is actually murdering.

Which do you think is worse? Give me a break lol.

Winston
03-05-2007, 12:34 AM
If the mere association with Nazism taints those four boys in photo A, then photo B must depict a stone cold killer, rapist and gang banger.

I actually pity anyone who is so perverted that they look at photo B and see something which is harmless in comparison to the first photo.

Shiksappeal
03-05-2007, 01:00 AM
A very easy choice to make:

The children in Picture A are replete personal self-discipline, many skills, and many human virtues such as loyalty, valor, and bravery. They have a lot of inspiration and feel involved in something great. They are actually living out the ideal fantasy life of most young boys in picture A. They stand for some high ideals as well. They are getting to experience comraderie and fellow feeling. They experience the outdoors in many different contexts, and go on adventures that most boys only dream of. They also look healthier than the schlep in Picture B.

I bet at least half the people on this forum like at least some rap/hip hop, whether or not they'll admit it.

I bet they really got to do a lot of fun camping and adventures. I bet the jamborees were fun.

You seem to like the idea of conscripting 8 million little boys to lend a hand in the systematic destruction of Europe and the "white race."

OVERWATCH
03-05-2007, 01:15 AM
A very easy choice to make:

The children in Picture A are replete personal self-discipline, many skills, and many human virtues such as loyalty, valor, and bravery. They have a lot of inspiration and feel involved in something great. They are actually living out the ideal fantasy life of most young boys in picture A. They stand for some high ideals as well. They are getting to experience comraderie and fellow feeling. They experience the outdoors in many different contexts, and go on adventures that most boys only dream of. They also look healthier than the schlep in Picture B.

The boy in Picture B is a very unfortunate young man and obviously has no father in his life. He takes inspiration from low-life, gangsters, and talentless apes whose only ability is to press the button of a digital drum machine and shout obscenities and act like thugs. His heroes celebrate vice, depravity, violence, and self-aggrandizement. He is not developing any skills or life competence, he has little to no self-discipline, no pride in himself, his heritage, or his race. He doesn't even look healthy. He probably never does outdoor activities. He is isolated and probably has no father. He is very soft and feminine looking, and he would have no hope or prayer of dealing with a real thug who wanted to harass or hurt him. (Much different story with the boys in Picture A, who are developing manly ideals.) The boy in picture B is a very sad thing to see.

I agree;

I'll add to this that while the mentor of the boys in picture A was a megalomaniac who had no problem sending them to certain death, or ordering them to participate in heinous crimes, this problem would easily be rectified by more rational and responsible leader. Even if the role model for the boy in pic B is not a gangsta thug, the hip-hop/rap "cultcha" is necessarily degenerate.

Therefore, I look past the leaders of the boys in both photos, who are both harmful, and instead will focus on other areas. As said, the fascist youth in pic A are becoming an instrument which can work towards the common good of the nation; they will be taught respect and cameraderie with the folk of their vast nation; whereas the boy in pic B will be taught selfishness, or cameradiere with only a narrow, small band of his 'homies'.

The boys in pic A will be taught noble virtues like self-control and stoicism; the boy in pic B will be taught that self-control is undesirable, that impulsivity is better, and to act wholly upon his emotions and base drives.

The values imparted to the boys in pic A will be, for the most part, a credit to civilisation. The values imparted to the boy in pic B will be, for the most part, inherently selfish, hedonistic, myopic, and are indicative of the breakdown of civilisation.

Starr
03-05-2007, 01:15 AM
I bet at least half the people on this forum like at least some rap/hip hop, whether or not they'll admit it.




I would highly doubt that there are many people on this forum who secretly like rap. What is the appeal? it is trash. And the whole subculture that has been created around it is very destructive(even some higher quality blacks will admit this) since it also gave rise to some of the more potentially destructive traits of the negro race.

I liked Rage against the Machine for a time, but that is the closest I ever came to likeing something even somewhat similar.

Fitz
03-05-2007, 01:15 AM
You seem to like the idea of conscripting 8 million little boys to lend a hand in the systematic destruction of Europe and the "white race."

You are confused. ZioScouts are the ones who give merit badges for starting wars and exterminating the "white race", lol.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2001/072001/07302001/0729jamsuzfaith284.jpg

OVERWATCH
03-05-2007, 01:23 AM
I would highly doubt that there are many people on this forum who secretly like rap. What is the appeal? it is trash. And the whole subculture that has been created around it is very destructive(even some higher quality blacks will admit this) since it also gave rise to some of the more potentially destructive traits of the negro race.

I liked Rage against the Machine for a time, but that is the closest I ever came to likeing something even somewhat similar.

Urban "cultcha" is the essentially and necessarily the degeneration of civilisation to the lowest common denominator, and regressive.

National-Socialism is noble principles misused and gone awry.

The latter contains a significant amount of latent and salvageable good underpinnings; the former is worthless, degenerate shit, and will always be worthless, degenerate shit, utterly beyond redemption and devoid of any worth whatsoever.

Starr
03-05-2007, 01:31 AM
The latter contains a significant amount of latent and salvageable good underpinnings; the former is worthless, degenerate shit, and will always be worthless, degenerate shit, utter beyond redemption and devoid of any worth whatsoever

yes, I would definitely agree with that.

Winston
03-05-2007, 01:32 AM
I agree;

I'll add to this that while the mentor of the boys in picture A was a megalomaniac who had no problem sending them to certain death, or ordering them to participate in heinous crimes, this problem would easily be rectified by more rational and responsible leader. Even if the role model for the boy in pic B is not a gangsta thug, the hip-hop/rap "cultcha" is necessarily degenerate.

Therefore, I look past the leaders of the boys in both photos, who are both harmful, and instead will focus on other areas. As said, the fascist youth in pic A are becoming an instrument which can work towards the common good of the nation; they will be taught respect and cameraderie with the folk of their vast nation; whereas the boy in pic B will be taught selfishness, or cameradiere with only a narrow, small band of his 'homies'.

The boys in pic A will be taught noble virtues like self-control and stoicism; the boy in pic B will be taught that self-control is undesirable, that impulsivity is better, and to act wholly upon his emotions and base drives.

The values imparted to the boys in pic A will be, for the most part, a credit to civilisation. The values imparted to the boy in pic B will be, for the most part, inherently selfish, hedonistic, myopic, and are indicative of the breakdown of civilisation.

Very good post. That is how I see it. What those boys have been taught can be harnessed for good, whilst the culture behind the second photo is completely irredeemable.

Shiksappeal
03-05-2007, 02:03 AM
When you talk about how rap music is degenerate and teaches bad morals or no morals or is otherwise harmful to society, I can't help but remember that this was the same reaction a lot of people had to rock music in the 50s and 60s.

In my home town we had a wacky religious family that wouldn't let their kids listen to rock music or other contemporary music. You remind me of them.

Sulla the Dictator
03-05-2007, 02:14 AM
Urban "cultcha" is the essentially and necessarily the degeneration of civilisation to the lowest common denominator, and regressive.


Its meaningless trivia, actually. Urban culture is merely the manifestation of a historically unpcrecidented level of media and 'pop cultural' saturation, which requires 'artists' and marketeers to 'up the ante' in order to compete. It would be no different if the fad was rap or country music or death metal.

This is actually an observable phenomenon with rap music. In the late 1970s and early 1980s it was silly, banal music about dancing and parties and getting girls numbers and smoking pot. This was the dominant theme among Eastern and Southern rappers. The "gangsta" element didn't really take off until it reached Southern California, where for a variety of reasons it morphed into 'gangsta rap'.

However, its popularity in urban and penetration into a youthful suburban market was a draw for major industry attention. And what is it now? A slicker, more refined version of what it originally was with a section of it reserved to "Squash it" former gansta "trying to get out of the life" meloncholy and pseudo-reflection.

I mean, thats really what it is. Its a collection of dance mixes and beats involving women, drinking, and parties.

I've never been a fan. In my youth, however, I attended punk concerts whree the exact same thing was the focus of 95% of all music. I do not see how one is culturally superior to the other, unless you consider using musical instruments more often to be some sort of spectacular virtue.


National-Socialism is noble principles misused and gone awry.


National Socialism wouldn't know a noble principle if Ernst Rohm stuck one up its ass. The core principles of National Socialism were theft, murder, and conflict.


The latter contains a significant amount of latent and salvageable good underpinnings; the former is worthless, degenerate shit, and will always be worthless, degenerate shit, utterly beyond redemption and devoid of any worth whatsoever.

Then its interesting how one needs to be exported at gun point, while the other is a competitor in the market place of people's actual tastes.

Berianidze
03-05-2007, 02:29 AM
The discipline and rigidity of Picture A is certainly admirable, and I've often said it wasn't the means of the Nazi regime that I opposed, but rather the ends. Choosing between Hitler Youths and a wigger is hardly a choice at all. Besides, I will throw my choice with the Pioneers and the Komsomol anyday!

http://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/art/photography/social-services/education/russia/moscow/young-pioneers.jpg

Starr
03-05-2007, 02:32 AM
Rap just has the power of the mass media and popular culture selling it to young kids who are at a rebellion stage. And we all know how these things can influence opinion and create widespread trends. What people like and don't like is not a very good indicator of what actually has any kind of value. And rap has none. Thankfully rap seems to be something that people grow out of once they mature. The better test for something having some kind of real value could be much better measured by longevity. Will someone as worthless and talentless as 50 cent be remembered long after his death in the same way as Beethoven for example?

1-800
03-05-2007, 02:38 AM
Eastern and Southern rappers in the 1980s?

There were literally no 'Southern' rappers in the 1980s, unless you count the Underground Kings and Geto Boys, from Port Arthur and Houston, TX, respectively--neither group, however, could be said to have produced 'silly, banal' music, as UGK rapped about coke and gang warfare, while the Geto Boys pioneered the horrorcore genre.

Your history lesson for today!

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
03-05-2007, 02:40 AM
Rap isn't supposed to be beautiful or artsy. It is supposed to be ugly. But reality itself is ugly. We were discussing this in the shoutbox.

The problem, in my opinion, is more in the listeners than the music itself. An intelligent mature person can separate entertainment from reality, but a young angry person may not be able to. The problem isn't the music, its the person. If rap didn't set them off, something else would.

Just like Manson didn't cause Columbine, its simply an excuse.

Sulla the Dictator
03-05-2007, 02:45 AM
Rap just has the power of the mass media and popular culture selling it to young kids who are at a rebellion stage.


LOL You just ignored everything I told you and are repeating yourself.


And we all know how these things can influence opinion and create widespread trends.


LOL "People pay attention to those I don't like. That isn't fair."

I mean, it isn't a complicated formula, nor is there an agenda to it other than profit. If it doesn't sell, it won't be marketed. If something sells better, it will recieve more airtime. Its really that simple.


What people like and don't like is not a very good indicator of what actually has any kind of value.


Thats absolutely correct. But what people like or don't like is their business, not mine. And unlike you and your comrades, I don't favor SHOOTING people because their kids like something I don't.

I'm more than confident that my tastes will survive long after I'm gone. I don't need death squads to ensure it.

Starr
03-05-2007, 02:48 AM
Where did I talk about shooting anyone?:rofl:
What I do know is that a decent parent who has their head screwed on straight would not encourage their kids to dress, look, and behave in the way that comes along with the whole rap/crap trend. They would in fact do what they can to discourage it. what parent would not discourage their kid from worshipping thuggery? The problem with a lot of parents, today, though seems to be that they believe it is more important to be their kid's friend rather than mother, father, proper role model and disciplinarian. I don't want to shoot these people. I would rather try to simply help them learn what a mistake they are making. In a better society this would also not be a problem as it is now.

I mean, it isn't a complicated formula, nor is there an agenda to it other than profit. If it doesn't sell, it won't be marketed. If something sells better, it will recieve more airtime. Its really that simple.

A lot of white nationalists believe there is something more sinister behind it, but I do agree that it is driven by profit for the most part. but it is and has been marketed very strongly at suburban white kids who are more likely to have a disposable income. Are you disagreeing completely that the media can have a stong influence on trends and what sells and what does not?

Hermetic
03-05-2007, 03:55 AM
I don't even think the child in photo B knows what the nonsense on his shirt means, it could be just a mocking photo, this thread tells more about the people on it then the photo's in question.

Also a person who takes their name after Sulla is not in a moral place to point fingers at Nazi brutality.

Dr. Gutberlet
03-05-2007, 03:58 AM
I voted for "A". I am a fan of strict order and discipline, and those children appear to be both.

Mentious
03-05-2007, 04:02 AM
I bet they really got to do a lot of fun camping and adventures. I bet the jamborees were fun.
The thread asks about the boys in the photo. Whether Phora posters go camping is not at issue here. Those boys (in Photo A) did have an outdoor life, open air, lots of exercise whereas the MTV victim (Photo B) probably has very little exposure to the outdoors or connection to nature. The boys in Photo A had that. And that was very Good.
I bet at least half the people on this forum like at least some rap/hip hop, whether or not they'll admit it.
You are dreaming. This is highly doubtful indeed. Go read the "What are you listening to" thread, for starters. As for myself, I've never willingly listened to "rap" even once, for even 15 seconds. It's appalling straight away, and who would want to hear it more than 5 seconds? About the only thing it would be good for would be scaring raccoons maybe. Sumner Redstone has not succeeded in destroying EVERYBODY's taste and sensibilities. Just some of the vulnerable young.
When you talk about how rap music is degenerate and teaches bad morals or no morals or is otherwise harmful to society, I can't help but remember that this was the same reaction a lot of people had to rock music in the 50s and 60s.
Yes, and they were right at that time. It was indeed harmful to society, and society did indeed decline. Now, the way the rot in music has progressed, they are 100 times more right. "Garbage in, garbage out."
You seem to like the idea of conscripting 8 million little boys to lend a hand in the systematic destruction of Europe and the "white race."
It was the warmonger Churchill who destroyed Europe, with the help of the banker-controlled FDR and the stooge Americans, along with pressure from Jews and Jewish financial interests.

Here: Read the Jewish Cabinet Minister to Wilson explain how German Jews betrayed Germany in WWI and caused her defeat, setting up the environment later for Germans to turn cynical about Jews. (Very slowly and very belatedly in that tolerant, highly civilized country I might add.)

The Roots of WWII
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=110

And another Jew, Henry Makow:
Bankers Hired Adolf Hitler to Start WWII
http://www.savethemales.ca/001936.html

Winston Churchill, War Monger
http://www.savethemales.ca/001049.html

I notice you put "White race" into quotes. If there is no such thing, how did you manage to refer to it?
In my home town we had a wacky religious family that wouldn't let their kids listen to rock music or other contemporary music. You remind me of them.
"In my town there was a religious family. Because they were religious, wholesome and unperverted, they were bizarre (wacky) to us. They cared more about their children than the average brain dead parent, and had higher standards. For this I hate them (and you)."

Mike
03-05-2007, 04:42 AM
A picture is worth a thousand words, as they say. It took me about a half a second to vote for option B.

I thank Julian Lee for making further elaboration on my part unnecessary, as he has already written the salient points:

A very easy choice to make:

The children in Picture A are replete personal self-discipline, many skills, and many human virtues such as loyalty, valor, intrepidness, and bravery. They have a lot of inspiration and feel involved in something great. They are actually living out the ideal fantasy life of most young boys in picture A. They stand for some high ideals as well. They are getting to experience comraderie and fellow feeling. They experience the outdoors in many different contexts, and go on adventures that most boys only dream of. They also look healthier than the schlep in Picture B.

The boy in Picture B is a very unfortunate young man and obviously has no father in his life. He takes inspiration from low-life, gangsters, and talentless apes whose only ability is to press the button of a digital drum machine and shout obscenities, act like thugs, and behave indecently by grabbing at their crotches. His heroes celebrate vice, depravity, violence, and self-aggrandizement. He is not developing any skills or life competence, he has little to no self-discipline, no pride in himself, his heritage, or his race. He doesn't even look healthy. He probably never does outdoor activities. He is isolated and probably has no father. He is very soft and feminine looking, and he would have no hope or prayer of dealing with a real thug who wanted to harass or hurt him. (Much different story with the boys in Picture A, who are developing manly attitudes and abilities.) The boy in picture B is a very sad thing to see.

Starr cuts right to the point:

What is sick is that a lot of people might look at picture b and think nothing is wrong with it, possibly even that it is cute. The kid is already on the road to hating himself and his race. Not much of anything could possibly be worse than that.

OVERWATCH
03-05-2007, 05:18 AM
Its meaningless trivia, actually. Urban culture is merely the manifestation of a historically unpcrecidented level of media and 'pop cultural' saturation, which requires 'artists' and marketeers to 'up the ante' in order to compete. It would be no different if the fad was rap or country music or death metal.

This is actually an observable phenomenon with rap music. In the late 1970s and early 1980s it was silly, banal music about dancing and parties and getting girls numbers and smoking pot. This was the dominant theme among Eastern and Southern rappers. The "gangsta" element didn't really take off until it reached Southern California, where for a variety of reasons it morphed into 'gangsta rap'.

However, its popularity in urban and penetration into a youthful suburban market was a draw for major industry attention. And what is it now? A slicker, more refined version of what it originally was with a section of it reserved to "Squash it" former gansta "trying to get out of the life" meloncholy and pseudo-reflection.

I mean, thats really what it is. Its a collection of dance mixes and beats involving women, drinking, and parties.

I've never been a fan. In my youth, however, I attended punk concerts whree the exact same thing was the focus of 95% of all music. I do not see how one is culturally superior to the other, unless you consider using musical instruments more often to be some sort of spectacular virtue.

Yes, point taken, but all that is slack-jawed, mouth breathing garbage with little or no redeeming value, and much negative "worth".



National Socialism wouldn't know a noble principle if Ernst Rohm stuck one up its ass. The core principles of National Socialism were theft, murder, and conflict.


I expected a response such as this, coming from someone who lives in a black and white world of "our guys = good, their guys = bad".

National-Socialism did indeed hold forth some admirable principles; such as enviormentalism, socialism,and an organic link between the folk and the nation, for instance.

It was far from perfect, but in some ways ahead of it's time (e.g., enviornmentalism), and it possessed some things we could desperately use of we want to preserve our strength and heritage.


Then its interesting how one needs to be exported at gun point, while the other is a competitor in the market place of people's actual tastes.

Yes, forces always take the path of least resistance. If someone could live on slackadaisical easy street all their life, live off charity, stick their wangs into any living creature, and amount to nothing more than a pimple on the ass of huemanity, they would likely do so, and such behaviour would win out in the "market place". You seem to think that the average yahoo's "taste"(or lack thereof) makes his 2 cents just as valuable as anyone else's. Personally, I think appealing to the lowest common denominator and base drives is a path well advised to steer clear from. Fuck all that mindless, drooling dung-culture, crafted especially for double-digit IQ yahoos.

But you're wrong, anyways... movements of strength and true nationalism/culture need not be "exported at gun point". In it's time, fascism was quite popular- but those were different times for the most part.

Lily
03-05-2007, 07:33 AM
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I really don't some of these reactions. This picture is an obvious parody, if anything it looks like he is ridiculing that style of dress and culture. Didn't you ever play dress up as a kid? I would bet anything that this isn't the child's everyday style of dress.

Sulla the Dictator
03-05-2007, 11:13 AM
Yes, point taken, but all that is slack-jawed, mouth breathing garbage with little or no redeeming value, and much negative "worth".


But its not new. The mob has always been vulgar and people have always pandered to it. Take a look at the works of Shakespeare, the greatest playwright of all time. Titus Andronicus, for example, was a bloody and violent play created for popular success. Without any doubt, it stands out in Shakespeare's collective works as a rather low brow piece (As far as tragedies go). What qualities the work has is due solely to Shakespeare's talent, but you can be sure that it was a play in competition with similar dirty or vulgar works by less talented writers. Thats what filled the pit.



I expected a response such as this, coming from someone who lives in a black and white world of "our guys = good, their guys = bad".


Logic argues against relatavism. Fortunately, in the case of the United States, strength is an ally of logic.


National-Socialism did indeed hold forth some admirable principles; such as enviormentalism, socialism,and an organic link between the folk and the nation, for instance.


I reject the idea that the last two are virtues, frankly. Especially the second, but the third resulted in LOCKING rural peoples to property without any concern to their actual desires.


It was far from perfect, but in some ways ahead of it's time (e.g., enviornmentalism), and it possessed some things we could desperately use of we want to preserve our strength and heritage.


Except that the things you mentioned are not what ACTUALLY form the core of National Socialism, and two of them are rather secondary issues. National Socialism was an ideology fit for angry lunatics, amoral opportunists, and the lowest sort of violent thickskulled pig. No ideology which murders its critics is of any value.


Yes, forces always take the path of least resistance. If someone could live on slackadaisical easy street all their life, live off charity, stick their wangs into any living creature, and amount to nothing more than a pimple on the ass of huemanity, they would likely do so, and such behaviour would win out in the "market place".


Well, thats ridiculous. Demonstrably so, since MOST people do not actually listen to rap, having made a decision against it. I will point out, however, that people prefer to listen or watch frivilous things from time to time to enjoy themselves rather than dedicating their lives watching some silly little man with a funny mustache deify himself to bombastic orchestral music day in and day out.

And the idea of 'fun' is what entertainment is actually about. And it manifests itself in rap, or in jazz, or in rock music, or in classical music. Its about enjoyment.


You seem to think that the average yahoo's "taste"(or lack thereof) makes his 2 cents just as valuable as anyone else's.


Actually, I think that yahoo's taste makes his 2 cents incredibly valuable for what HE listens to. He goes to work, he earns his paycheck, and as long as he follows the rules on volume levels, he can buy as many CDs of whatever kind that he pleases with the money HE earned.


Personally, I think appealing to the lowest common denominator and base drives is a path well advised to steer clear from. Fuck all that mindless, drooling dung-culture, crafted especially for double-digit IQ yahoos.


Personally I prefer a yahoo who listens to music I don't like to the idea of a SECULAR Talibanesque squad of yahoos going through our collective CD collections making sure that we don't have any music that might offend the ears of the Fuehrer.

Nazis made even less valid arguments at the time against jazz, which while not my cup of tea is a VERY challenging musical genre and at the time, filled with extremely talented artists.


But you're wrong, anyways... movements of strength and true nationalism/culture need not be "exported at gun point". In it's time, fascism was quite popular- but those were different times for the most part.

Oh, lets not overstate the case. The Germans and Italians exported fascism to Spain, the Nazis overthrew their allies in Hungary, and imposed fascism on the Norweigans. German occupied Europe was a patchwork of puppet states not too different from Japanese Manchuria, as far as I'm concerned.

OVERWATCH
03-05-2007, 11:09 PM
Oh, lets not overstate the case. The Germans and Italians exported fascism to Spain, the Nazis overthrew their allies in Hungary, and imposed fascism on the Norweigans. German occupied Europe was a patchwork of puppet states not too different from Japanese Manchuria, as far as I'm concerned.

Those movements couldn't have succeeded without at least some measure of popular support.

Why are you so down against exporting ideologies with military force, anyways? That's a pillar of your 'great' neocon, chickenhawk heroes in the White House and CONgress-Kapital. The difference being, the teetering neocon puppet regimes in the middle east will collapse or go away without the aid of three hundred invading Soviet divisions.

Neocons and nazis are two sides of the same gay coin, the difference being that neocons are ate up with all sorts of religious drivel, they wear suits instead of uniforms, they love divershitty, they're capitalist whores, and watch more interrracial porn.

Sulla the Dictator
03-05-2007, 11:54 PM
Those movements couldn't have succeeded without at least some measure of popular support.


LOL So what? I can find MILLIONS, literally MILLIONS of Christians in China. With enough dead Chinese, we could theoretically prop up a Christian Theocracy there.

But so what?


Why are you so down against exporting ideologies with military force, anyways?


I wasn't aware I favored exporting ideologies.


That's a pillar of your 'great' neocon, chickenhawk heroes in the White House and CONgress-Kapital.


I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure that you think you're making a clever point about Iraq, but you seem to be missing the fact that I don't particularly care what government the Iraqis adopt, as long as its grounded in a vote.

Is that what offends you? That we're 'exporting' a popular vote ( :rolleyes: ) instead of Leader worship?


The difference being, the teetering neocon puppet regimes in the middle east will collapse or go away without the aid of three hundred invading Soviet divisions.


"Teetering neocon puppet regimes" are who, exactly? The Jordanian Hashemite king who has been in power for almost a decade now, without any US troops propping him into power? Or the Turkish government which has existed for 90 years without US troops guarding its cities?

And this is compared to 10,000 Norweigan fascists who held power for four years with German units camped across the nation? Or the three months of 'glory' Hungary enjoyed as a German puppet under the Arrows Cross?

Which "freedom fighters" are your favorite, FlaK? The Soldiers of Heaven or the Wakefulness and Holy War?


Neocons and nazis are two sides of the same gay coin, the difference being that neocons are ate up with all sorts of religious drivel, they wear suits instead of uniforms, they love divershitty, they're capitalist whores, and watch more interrracial porn.

LOL Oh, so "neocons" are WORSE than Nazis from your point of view. :rofl:

Rational. They're not the same side of the coin at ALL. "Neocons", having toppled Saddam Hussein and seeking to establish a democracy in Iraq are as bad OR WORSE than Nazis who killed over twenty million people across Europe.

Sulla the Dictator
03-06-2007, 12:42 AM
Often times, jokes about incest are made at the expense of the American South. Where it is illegal.

Right now, Germany's laws against incest are under challenge. Incest is NOT illegal in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, or Portugal.

So lets lay off McDonalds, and compare issues that MATTER.

OVERWATCH
03-06-2007, 12:42 AM
I wasn't aware I favored exporting ideologies.


I wasn't aware that you weren't aware of your support for the glorious crusade against Saddam and the attempted installation of a US puppet dumbocracy.


I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure that you think you're making a clever point about Iraq, but you seem to be missing the fact that I don't particularly care what government the Iraqis adopt, as long as its grounded in a vote.

So you won't care if they give us the boot, and forge an alliance with the evil Iran, so long as the people are allowed the right of one dunce, one vote?

Don't insult my intelligence; you would abhor that, and would be clamoring for another crusade from your La-Z-Boy. But wait! maybe you think that given the ability for the average joe to choose, he will choose a society that mirrors America?If so,that's typical deluded repube-neocon hogwash. "And the people will rise up!..."

Is that what offends you? That we're 'exporting' a popular vote ( :rolleyes: ) instead of Leader worship?

I am offended by the hundreds of thousands of people who died obscene deaths because of your messianic shrub and other assorted cowards.

"Teetering neocon puppet regimes" are who, exactly? The Jordanian Hashemite king who has been in power for almost a decade now, without any US troops propping him into power? Or the Turkish government which has existed for 90 years without US troops guarding its cities?

Neither of those; I am referring specifically to Iraq and Afghanistan.

And this is compared to 10,000 Norweigan fascists who held power for four years with German units camped across the nation? Or the three months of 'glory' Hungary enjoyed as a German puppet under the Arrows Cross?

Which "freedom fighters" are your favorite, FlaK? The Soldiers of Heaven or the Wakefulness and Holy War?

Neither, the whole mess is grotesque, and I am not part of any of it.

LOL Oh, so "neocons" are WORSE than Nazis from your point of view. :rofl:

Rational. They're not the same side of the coin at ALL. "Neocons", having toppled Saddam Hussein and seeking to establish a democracy in Iraq are as bad OR WORSE than Nazis who killed over twenty million people across Europe.

No, many of the nazis were contempible. I'll include Hitler in with that lot. of course there are no shortage undesirable and backward things about National-Socialism in practice. I just felt like elucidating on the cancer of the neocon, because it's totally hip to bash nazis, whereas bashing neocons is only slightly hip.

Back to the topic, the boys in Pic A are learning skills and cameraderie for the folk- not unlike the boy scouts. The boy in Pic B is learning thug life.

Sulla the Dictator
03-06-2007, 02:31 AM
I wasn't aware that you weren't aware of your support for the glorious crusade against Saddam and the attempted installation of a US puppet dumbocracy.


I don't believe a democracy CAN BE a puppet regime, so that doesn't follow. Popular elections are the only method that currently exists where a state acts with the consent of the governed. Thus, after we are gone any relationships between the US and the Iraqi government will be with the approval of the Iraqis themselves.


So you won't care if they give us the boot, and forge an alliance with the evil Iran, so long as the people are allowed the right of one dunce, one vote?


You misunderstand. I obviously DO NOT want that to happen, but I am willing to accept the consequences of democracy. I don't think you actually know my reasons for supporting this war.


Don't insult my intelligence; you would abhor that, and would be clamoring for another crusade from your La-Z-Boy.


I don't own a lazy boy. And no, I would not support an effort to topple the elected Iraqi government. You seem to be confused, mistaking my worldview for some product of your imagination or ridiculous straw man erected with your drinking buddies.


But wait! maybe you think that given the ability for the average joe to choose, he will choose a society that mirrors America?


Why would it mirror America? Oh, thats the nonsensical position that Bill Mahr attacks. I forgot, thats what 'we' believe. Valid criticism.


If so,that's typical deluded repube-neocon hogwash. "And the people will rise up!..."


I don't know what this means.


I am offended by the hundreds of thousands of people who died obscene deaths because of your messianic shrub and other assorted cowards.


Oh, I see the problem. You think you live in 19th century Prussia or Turkey. Armies which happen to have a nation.

Well, war is not the guiding principle of the United States. We have civilians, and volunteer soldiers, and jobs seperate from war. Though I guess you have a very good point. We need to assemble an army of thirty million men and women in order to have an opinion about American foreign policy.

How many years do I need to serve on the front line in order to have the same right you do, having never served in combat at all? Errr, and when I do serve, does that mean YOU CANNOT argue against me if I support engaging in a conflict? :rofl:

Only veterans can decide public policy matters, right?


Neither of those; I am referring specifically to Iraq and Afghanistan.


Oh, AFGHANISTAN is also the war of the Neocon Big Brother machine? That WASN'T a legitimate conflict either, eh?


Back to the topic, the boys in Pic A are learning skills and cameraderie for the folk- not unlike the boy scouts. The boy in Pic B is learning thug life.

The boys in pic A learned how to die in the streets of Berlin for a war that everyone knew was lost. They also learned how to hang mayors and farmers who didn't want to turn their towns and villages into ash. The boy in pic B is wearing clothes you don't like.

Starr
03-06-2007, 03:28 AM
You misunderstand. I obviously DO NOT want that to happen, but I am willing to accept the consequences of democracy. I don't think you actually know my reasons for supporting this war.

Bull. People generally only support respecting people's votes or choices if the result is one they agree with or at least do not have too much objection to. You can say right now that you would support the people deciding to ally with Iran because you can say this while knowing it is definitely not going to happen anytime soon. How about if "the people" elected David Duke as our next president? Are you willing to even pretend you would respect this decision? What if "the people" voted in favor of abolishing integration and reinstating Jim Crow style laws? The list of things that you could be strongly opposed to could be endless, but these two are just extreme examples. In these case would you just learn to go with the flow and adapt to a different society while still singing the same tune about respecting the consequences of democracy?

Thomas777
03-06-2007, 04:49 AM
The boys in pic A learned how to die in the streets of Berlin for a war that everyone knew was lost. They also learned how to hang mayors and farmers who didn't want to turn their towns and villages into ash.

"My men are the products of total war, grown up in the streets of scattered towns without any education. The only thing they knew was to handle weapons for the Reich. They were young people with a hot heart and the desire to win or die: right or wrong – my country. When seeing today the defendants in the dock, don't believe them to be the old Kampfgruppe Peiper. All of my old friends and comrades have gone before. The real outfit is waiting for me in Valhalla."

-Joachim Peiper

Personally, I'd take the kids of Kampfgruppe Peiper over a pack of lazy, churlish, overprivileged wiggers anyday...but that's just me. It wasn't the fault of German youth that their leadership let them down.

Przemysław
03-06-2007, 05:28 AM
For those of you that say picture B is a parody, no it isn't.

I pulled it straight off of myspace. A white nigger's younger brother.

Richard Parker
03-06-2007, 02:19 PM
If the mere association with Nazism taints those four boys in photo A, then photo B must depict a stone cold killer, rapist and gang banger.

I actually pity anyone who is so perverted that they look at photo B and see something which is harmless in comparison to the first photo.
Then you are saying that 99% of mainstream Western society is so perverted as to be pitiable.

Incitatus
03-07-2007, 11:01 AM
Capital punishment for wearing a T-shirt. Secular Talibanism.

Very appealing.
Capital punishment for totally neglecting your child's education, thus creating a potential criminal/social degenerate/monster, you mean.