Favourite N.I. riots on YouTube

[Masty]

Various footage(both past + present)of the Northern Irish doing what we do best: rioting! Footage is from both sides of the 'divide'.....

Alternative Ulster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMlZnkh8qpI

A way of life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV4GBOdAlHY

That time of year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1XsX6tbays&NR

Never ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjpkmcc5lU

N.I riots 2000-2005:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hakHcoxR2cs

Rioting in Belfast N.I.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006JVGS9_98


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[Ace Rimmer]

I never understood why the police or the army doesn't use live ammo on Molotov Cocktail throwers.

[Jake Featherston]

I never understood why the police or the army doesn't use live ammo on Molotov Cocktail throwers.

They would in the United States. In Northern Ireland, they probably suspect such a show of force would spark a full-scale civil war, and its not worth their while.

[Masty]

As patriotic Protestant's, we are with-in our rights to protest. hence the protest that forms protestant. As for the other side, you'll have to ask them.

Do you have a problem with political street activism? Because thats what it is.

And very effective.

[Geist]

I never understood why the police or the army doesn't use live ammo on Molotov Cocktail throwers.

Last time they did that The PIRA was born.

[Geist]

Some nice videos there Masty. You could literally spend a day looking at N. Ireland videos. Better than searching for hooligan footage if its some plain old violence you are looking for. Plus its directed against the Army and police so you don't feel so bad.

[Masty]

I feel the need to replicate this thread.

Starting with the U.K. section at V.N.N.

http://www.vnnforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=30

:)

[Geist]

Belfast Rioting its 'A Way of Life' is a quality video. I almost feel sorry for anybody whose job is controlling that lot. Its good to see riot vans being forced back by a community. Makes you think how tame G8 riots and all that shit can be.

[Masty]

Some nice videos there Masty. You could literally spend a day looking at N. Ireland videos.Get in, wee-Dizz.....

I should be able to add to this thread 'round late July. :)

[Geist]

Get in, wee-Dizz.....

I should be able to add to this thread 'round late July. :)

I'm gonna have a look around in a minute. Two quality parts of the Never ending video: The lads shooting golf balls over at the RUC, and some fairly rare footage of IRA members in the gear involved directly in the rioting.

[Geist]

Northern Ireland Riots 2000-2005

LOL at the Orange Order lad bumping into the RUC :rofl:

[Masty]

Belfast Rioting its 'A Way of Life' is a quality video. I almost feel sorry for anybody whose job is controlling that lot. Its good to see riot vans being forced back by a community. Makes you think how tame G8 riots and all that shit can be.The last 5 seconds made it for me. Young Militants take the law unto their own hands.

[ZOGsoldier]

This one is so good it will make you a fenian.

http://youtube.com/watch?p=2FEC026D3E1EF9F9&index=2&feature=PlayList&v=6D3kX6Y-NII

[Hakluyt]

Fuck tha police,
Comin straight from the underground.
Young nigga got it bad cuz I'm brown,
And not the other color so police think,
They have the authority to kill a minority.

Fuck the police and Bone said it with authority, 'cause the niggas on the street is a majority...

[Geist]

This one is so good it will make you a fenian.

http://youtube.com/watch?p=2FEC026D3E1EF9F9&index=2&feature=PlayList&v=6D3kX6Y-NII

That's a really impressive video. I've actually never come across that kind of blatant footage before. IRA videos are usually rare as fuck. I've been searching for years for the one where they attempt to shoot down a helicopter :rofl:

Masty knows more about all this I am sure because down here there its not the same buzz at all. I am always slightly weirded out by that footage forgetting that it is actually on the same island just a short bus trip away.

[OVERWATCH]

This one is so good it will make you a fenian.

http://youtube.com/watch?p=2FEC026D3E1EF9F9&index=2&feature=PlayList&v=6D3kX6Y-NII

I particularly liked the footage of the improvised IRA mortar- the IRA holds the distinction of executing the first and only mortar attacks on English soil. Notice also that one of the IRA men is wielding an RPG-7.

[Geist]

I particularly liked the footage of the improvised IRA mortar- the IRA holds the distinction of executing the first and only mortar attacks on English soil. Notice also that one of the IRA men is wielding an RPG-7.

Are you referring to the attempt on Downing Street? That is a pretty bold assault by any measure. I still think any man willing to do such a thing needs to have a few marbles loose.

[Ace Rimmer]

Last time they did that The PIRA was born.

Shooting of MC thrower should be justified.

It's the point were rioting becomes terrorism.

[Geist]

Shooting of MC thrower should be justified.

It's the point were rioting becomes terrorism.

Not in N. Ireland where normals levels of violence outstrip most so called riots you see across Europe. In such a volatile place where you have two (armed) communities which equally hate your guts the most stupid manoeuvre ever would be to start shooting people. You will probably be fired back upon. Its not a bunch of students gone slightly mad at an anti-G8 rally.

[Ace Rimmer]

I understand your point, but;

You will probably be fired back upon.

I consider use of Molotov equal to use of fire arms.

[OVERWATCH]

Are you referring to the attempt on Downing Street? That is a pretty bold assault by any measure. I still think any man willing to do such a thing needs to have a few marbles loose.

Yeah, that's the one iirc. They had a van with three improvised mortar tubes exactly like the ones in the video, the roof was cut out of the van for obvious reasons. Both the tubes and the projectiles were fabricated from steel piping.

edit: could you tell us the name of that tune in the video? :dance:

[Geist]

I understand your point, but;
I consider use of Molotov equal to use of fire arms.

I'm not so sure I'd see it the same way. The security guys are well armoured. I doubt it has any real effect, and I imagine most of them don't want it to escalate beyond molotov cocktails so they tolerate it. I do agree they are fierce enough weapons, but hell it could be a lot worse.

[Geist]

Yeah, that's the one iirc. They had a van with three improvised mortar tubes exactly like the ones in the video, the roof was cut out of the van for obvious reasons. Both the tubes and the projectiles were fabricated from steel piping.

edit: could you tell us the name of that tune in the video? :dance:

The song is Come Out Ye Black And Tans. Actually my favourite Irish Republican tune (and one of the few I actually know all the words of).

As a Dubliner its opening line has a special ring to it for me:

I was born on a Dublin street where the Royal drums do beat
And the loving English feet they tramped all over us,
And each and every night when me father'd come home tight
He'd invite the neighbors outside with this chorus.

Oh, come out you black and tans,
Come out and fight me like a man
Show your wives how you won medals down in Flanders
Tell them how the IRA made you run like hell away,
From the green and lovely lanes in Killashandra.

Come let me hear you tell
How you slammed the great Pernell,
When you fought them well and truly persecuted,
Where are the smears and jeers
That you bravely let us hear
When our heroes of sixteen were executed.

Come tell us how you slew
Those brave Arabs two by two
Like the Zulus they had spears and bows and arrows,
How you bravely slew each one
With your sixteen pounder gun
And you frightened them poor natives to their marrow.

The day is coming fast
And the time is here at last,
When each yeoman will be cast aside before us,
And if there be a need
Sure my kids wil sing, "Godspeed!"


Plus its about the Black and Tans. You can't imagine the level of hatred the Irish have for that set of rogues. Song quoted in full because it has some plain old boisterous lyrics.

[Geist]

Edit: Masty if you have a chance throw up some Loyalist vids. I don't want to steal your thread.

[OVERWATCH]

An English skinhead fellow who I knew years ago, hated the IRA, but didn't care for the black-and-tans either, saying that they were often recruited from prisons, their sentences being commuted in exchange for service.

[Basil Fawlty]

Plus its about the Black and Tans. You can't imagine the level of hatred the Irish have for that set of rogues. Song quoted in full because it has some plain old boisterous lyrics.Some of my elderly relatives (now deceased), played an active role in despatching Tans. :)

[ZOGsoldier]

Are you referring to the attempt on Downing Street? That is a pretty bold assault by any measure. I still think any man willing to do such a thing needs to have a few marbles loose.

No, they were just good. No arrests, no suspects and no innocents caught in the cross fire. Can't imagine that happening if someone shelled the White House.

[Masty]

Edit: Masty if you have a chance throw up some Loyalist vids. I don't want to steal your thread.

No worries Dizz, you work away wee-man. My only concern for this thread is that I don't want it to be a Loyalist versus Republican thread, this is primarily a public disorder thread from both communities with-in Northern Ireland.

This clip was taken during a 'quiet' rioting period were the rioters had the time to use a hand-grinder to bring down a metal lamp-post for a barricade. Then it kicks-off.....

U.V.F. ON TOUR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKd-D9mikjw

[Masty]

Firestarter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP62nHS4iCU

Drumcree:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMLZvg3BOIw

Another one bites the dust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7j4Erc-DIQ

[Basil Fawlty]

No worries Dizz, you work away wee-man. My only concern for this thread is that I don't want it to be a Loyalist versus Republican thread, this is primarily a public disorder thread from both communities with-in Northern Ireland.I remember seeing a clip from a standoff where we distinctly hear an elderly Orangeman screaming in some Brit soldiers face "I hope the IRA blow you up, you Brit bastard". This made me tremendously optimistic about the future as Orangemen start to recover their Republican, United Irishmen origins!

[Hakluyt]

I remember seeing a clip from a standoff where we distinctly hear an elderly Orangeman screaming in some Brit soldiers face "I hope the IRA blow you up, you Brit bastard". This made me tremendously optimistic about the future as Orangemen start to recover their Republican, United Irishmen origins!
This has to be one of your most ridiculous statements on this forum yet, Mr. Irish Historian. The Orange Order was formed in large part to counteract the UI and their tactit support of the Catholic Defenders. The UI placed themselves in violent opposition to the Order. Further, the UI was predominantly Presbyterian, who weren't even allowed membership in the Order until the 1830's!

It's interesting that a supposed anti-Enlightenment aficionado like yourself would support a historical cause so quintessentially liberal as the Society of United Irishmen. You seem to be of the mind that pointing out a history of Dissenter republicanism somehow embarasses modern-day Unionism. That may be the case for some of the more superficial onlookers, but you compromise a great deal of integrity in expressing support.

The UI wanted to bring the ethos of the American Revolution to Ireland and expand the French Revolution into Great Britain as a whole. The leader, Theobald Tone, said that he had been leery of Catholics in the past until the French Revolution demonstrated to him that Catholics could be progressive, democratic and anti-clerical. Some oecumenic, he wanted to debase Ireland's traditional social structure as much as he wanted to reject that of Great Britain!

The UI, a small organisation compared to the Orange Order, was also responsible for some of the most pitiful rebellions in European history. The 1798, 1803 and UI-inspired 1848 uprisings were the actions of men who had never been particularly ready to fight, with incompetent leadership that was always out of communication with the peasantry, who viewed rebellion as more of a mental abstraction. These scoundrels were at many junctures fully prepared to welcome French troops, proper virile fighting men, into Ireland to do their work for them (of course, naturally, the French were defeated at every turn, who turned out to be unmotivated and cared very little for the Irish cause).

A black mark on Irish history and a precedent for revolutionary liberalism all around the Anglosphere.

[Ace Rimmer]

In such a volatile place where you have two (armed) communities which equally hate your guts the most stupid manoeuvre ever would be to start shooting people.

Just out of interest, what is ethnic/religious composition of N.I. Police force?

With army I presume they all are English?Or do the troops have a story on their own too?

[Geist]

An English skinhead fellow who I knew years ago, hated the IRA, but didn't care for the black-and-tans either, saying that they were often recruited from prisons, their sentences being commuted in exchange for service.

A fairly rag tag group of lads to be sure. Essentially an army of undisciplined ruffians who did more for the Irish rebellion than any Irishman ever could.

[Geist]

Some of my elderly relatives (now deceased), played an active role in despatching Tans. :)

Most certainly something to be proud of.

[Geist]

No, they were just good. No arrests, no suspects and no innocents caught in the cross fire. Can't imagine that happening if someone shelled the White House.

From a geo-political perspective deploying an army which is likely to rouse the general populace to support rebellions is idiotic. Only a dreamer would consider such actions sound strategy or a short sighted type anyway.

[Geist]

Just out of interest, what is ethnic/religious composition of N.I. Police force?

No idea. Vast majority Protestants but with a growing Catholic percentage. Joining the PSNI and being from a nationalist community would be seen as a kind of betrayal though that stigma seems to be lessening.

With army I presume they all are English?Or do the troops have a story on their own too?

All manner of Brits from England, Scotland, and Wales. I am not sure, but there are more troops in the North or Ireland than Iraq last time I checked.

[Basil Fawlty]

This has to be one of your most ridiculous statements on this forum yet, Mr. Irish Historian. The Orange Order was formed in large part to counteract the UI and their tactit support of the Catholic Defenders. The UI placed themselves in violent opposition to the Order. Further, the UI was predominantly Presbyterian, who weren't even allowed membership in the Order until the 1830's!These are counter-revolutionary developments designed to refragment the communities - divide and conquer.
Is is at all possible for you to display some good manners or is that too much to ask? Everytime you address me it is in a tone of insolence.
It's interesting that a supposed anti-Enlightenment aficionado like yourself would support a historical cause so quintessentially liberal as the Society of United Irishmen. You seem to be of the mind that pointing out a history of Dissenter republicanism somehow embarasses modern-day Unionism. That may be the case for some of the more superficial onlookers, but you compromise a great deal of integrity in expressing support.Its a pragamtic support. It was a Brits out movement and it united all the inhabitants of this island (minus the landlord class and their followers), a good start.

[Basil Fawlty]

Just out of interest, what is ethnic/religious composition of N.I. Police force?It is a colonial police force composed of people who identify with the British.

With army I presume they all are English?Or do the troops have a story on their own too?The Briitsh army is composed of English, Sctos, Welsh and Unionists from the north of Ireland. There are even some Irish mercenary-traitors from the south.

[Hakluyt]

Its a pragamtic support. It was a Brits out movement and it united all the inhabitants of this island (minus the landlord class and their followers), a good start.
But the UI efforts failed miserably, and the violence they committed (or supported) only ended up promoting Protestant unity and consensus on Unionism. There's nothing pragmatic about that.

It goes to show how shallow Irish republicanism always has been. To support something that was 1) antithetical to your belief system and 2) an ultimate failure in all respects just goes to show how deep one's ethnic hatred must be. Irish Catholic supporters of the UI were prepared to support a movement that was Protestant in essence, liberal, egalitarian, in alliance with the Whigs, against the grain of all Irish tradition, and which would ultimately have turned them into a satellite of France (if not conquered entirely sans British protection during the ensuing Napoleonic period). This suggests Irish republicanism was more a negative expression of ressentiment than a positive assertion of Irish interests.

[Basil Fawlty]

It goes to show how shallow Irish republicanism always has been. To support something that was 1) antithetical to your belief system and 2) an ultimate failure in all respects just goes to show how deep one's ethnic hatred must be. Thats' very idiotic and unhistorical. resistance to British rule is not rooted in ethnic difference.
Irish Catholic supporters of the UI were prepared to support a movement that was Protestant in essence, liberal, egalitarian, in alliance with the Whigs, against the grain of all Irish tradition, and which would ultimately have turned them into a satellite of France (if not conquered entirely sans British protection during the ensuing Napoleonic period). This suggests Irish republicanism was more a negative expression of ressentiment than a positive assertion of Irish interests.It may surprise you to learn that not all Catholics are mindless proxies of Rome. Of course this reveals a lot about your prejudice. I presume you get a lot of your attitudes from Paisely's website or similar sources.
It's a funny old world where Catholics support Republicanism and the Pope supported William of Orange and the banker's coup d'etat.

[Hakluyt]

Thats' very idiotic and unhistorical. resistance to British rule is not rooted in ethnic difference.

I think ressentiment is a more precise description.

It may surprise you to learn that not all Catholics are mindless proxies of Rome. Of course this reveals a lot about your prejudice. I presume you get a lot of your attitudes from Paisely's website or similar sources.
It's a funny old world where Catholics support Republicanism and the Pope supported William of Orange and the banker's coup d'etat.
Maybe not, but Catholicism is still an integral aspect of Irish identity.

The Irish could have learned much from the French Canadian example, who after conquest formed an accord with the English Canadians/British, whom guaranteed their interests against Revolutionary forces hostile to their traditional way of life (American and French). For this reason the French have always looked down on the French Canadians as traitors, but the latter were much happier to live under a regime that tolerated their way of life as opposed to a liberal empire. The French Canadians lacked ressentiment against their conquerors.

For one who regularly complains about spurious ad hominem arguments you certainly are quick to resort to them yourself. My views on Paisley would be that he has a certain charm, and he's a solid patriot, but I don't like much about his politics or his theology. I prefer high-church Anglicanism which is really quite diametrically opposed to him, and his democratic views are plebeian. My personal views with regard to the Glorious revolution would have been Jacobite.

[Basil Fawlty]

I think ressentiment is a more precise description.You may think what you like.
Maybe not, but Catholicism is still an integral aspect of Irish identity. Not that you have shown the least understanding of it.
For one who regularly complains about spurious ad hominem arguments you certainly are quick to resort to them yourself.Quick? No. Your responses to me over the last few weeks (all intiated by you) have displayed insolence in just about every post. Don't think that because I said nothing hitherto, that I did not notice or that I allow myself to be spoken to like that. I have been very patient with you up to now, so less of the victimage if you please. :)

[Hakluyt]

Not that you have shown the least understanding of it.
"You may think what you like." More ad hominem. It's amazing how quickly discussion breaks down with you into these substanceless soundbytes. I would have more respect for you if you simply didn't respond.

Quick? No. Your responses to me over the last few weeks (all intiated by you) have displayed insolence in just about every post. Don't think that because I said nothing hitherto, that I did not notice or that I allow myself to be spoken to like that. I have been very patient with you up to now, so less of the victimage if you please.
There's no victimage in that post. Note that I showed your ad hominem to be unfounded. That only makes things easier for me.

[Basil Fawlty]

"You may think what you like." More ad hominem. It's amazing how quickly discussion breaks down with you into these substanceless soundbytes. I would have more respect for you if you simply didn't respond.I don't give a toss about your respect or lack of it. I hardly noticed your existence before you decided to obtrude with your rudeness some weeks back. You have a very forgettable presence.

[Hakluyt]

I don't give a toss about your respect or lack of it. I hardly noticed your existence before you decided to obtrude with your rudeness some weeks back. You have a very forgettable presence.
Well, you should start to give a toss. You've taken in more than a few lectures on your history here, free of charge in my magnanimity.

Any futher personal attacks without accompanying content will be deleted.

[Masty]

It is a colonial police force composed of people who identify with the British.

The Briitsh army is composed of English, Sctos, Welsh and Unionists from the north of Ireland. There are even some Irish mercenary-traitors from the south.The current police force in Northern Ireland(p.s.n.i.) was set-up at the behest of those who wish the same outcome on the island as yer-self Baz, yes - sinn fein/i.r.a. had the best police force in the world(the r.u.c.) disbanded and then had the P.S.N.I. formed, and still they/you are not happy. Catholics had the pathway of a fast-track system open for them to join their new police force, and still they refused. And because of that, theres probably more Poles serving in the P.S.N.I. than Catholics from Northern Ireland. WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?

As far as I'm aware, Squaddies born in Northern Ireland who are currently serving with-in the British Armed Forces are not allowed to do a tour of duty on the streets of Ulster. I'll stand corrected if you can prove otherwise, but I'm 99% sure I'm right in this instance.

That said, this is a visual thread about violent street disorder in Northern Ireland - lets keep it that way folk's.

:)


http://www.sluggerotoole.com/archives/First%20post%20shankill%20riots-thumb.jpg

[Basil Fawlty]

Well, you should start to give a toss. You've taken in more than a few lectures on your history here, free of charge in my magnanimity.I have the right to reply to this insolence. There is nothing you can tell me about the history of this country. The best thing is to mutually ignore each other henceforth.

[Basil Fawlty]

The current police force in Northern Ireland(p.s.n.i.) was set-up at the behest of those who wish the same outcome on the island as yer-self Baz, yes - sinn fein/i.r.a. had the best police force in the world(the r.u.c.) disbanded and then had the P.S.N.I. formed, and still they/you are not happy.Sinn Fein/MI6 are quite happy with the new RUC. A name change really means nothing and Masty, all of this GFA stuff is a victory for the British so you should be delighted with it. Don;t stare a gift horse in the mouth
As far as I'm aware, Squaddies born in Northern Ireland who are currently serving with-in the British Armed Forces are not allowed to do a tour of duty on the streets of Ulster. I'll stand corrected if you can prove otherwise, but I'm 99% sure I'm right in this instance.I think you are right. I was addressing the more general question about the makeup of the British army as a whole rather than those on occupation duty in Ireland.
That said, this is a visual thread about violent street disorder in Northern Ireland - lets keep it that way folk's.I thoroughly approve, carry on! :)

[Masty]

Sinn Fein/MI6 are quite happy with the new RUC. A name change really means nothing and Masty, all of this GFA stuff is a victory for the British so you should be delighted with it. Don;t stare a gift horse in the mouthWho ye trying to kid, Baz? Ya can't kid a kidder ya know.....try telling that to the Loyalist residents of Cluan Place in East Belfast!

LISTEN TO LOYALISTS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xgXT_uSp20

[ZOGsoldier]

It is a colonial police force composed of people who identify with the British.
Actually the PSNI has alot of new Catholic recruits.

[cerberus]

Good old Northern Ireland petrol bombs at twenty paces , Basil Vs Masty , this should be an all ticket event.:D :rofl:

[Basil Fawlty]

Actually the PSNI has alot of new Catholic recruits.Yes, Poles.

[cerberus]

Basil , I know at least three catholic lads who have joined the PSNI in the past few months - perhaps they are the only three to join ?
Basil , you are still trying to drive that square peg into a round hole.

[Basil Fawlty]

Basil , I know at least three catholic lads who have joined the PSNI in the past few months - perhaps they are the only three to join ?No doubt, there were plenty of Catholics in the RIC.

[cerberus]

Which relates in what way to the PSNI , lets see Basil , that is 85 odd years ago , very up to date.

[Basil Fawlty]

Which relates in what way to the PSNI , lets see Basil , that is 85 odd years ago , very up to date.The PSNI is the RUC which in turn is the rump of the RIC. The changes are purely cosmetic - it's a colonial police force.

[cerberus]

Basil , you are stuck in a mind set - times have moved on and people are moving on.

[Basil Fawlty]

Basil , you are stuck in a mind set - times have moved on Basil.No they haven't.

[cerberus]

Basil , I would beg to differ with you on this - it has ben my experience that in the North only the idiot brigade would be prepared to go back to what things were like 10 years ago and only idiots crave the good old days of either disorder or "Stormont".
It is time for politicans to get their acts together.

[Zrinski]

I always wondered why don't they just make N.Ireland independant, that way it wouldn't be part of UK/Great Britain and it wouldn't be part of R.of Ireland, everyone happy, right?

[Masty]

Good old Northern Ireland petrol bombs at twenty paces , Basil Vs Masty , this should be an all ticket event.:D :rofl:I'm up for that. I couldn't picture yer-man Baz with a petrol bomb somehow, I suspect he would be overcome with the fumes and crumble where he stood - the only down-side to that from Basil's perspective would be that he would go up in flames. I call that a right result!

[Masty]

N.I. Riots (2):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9tfK6D0Tzk


:bbbat:

[Basil Fawlty]

I'm up for that. I couldn't picture yer-man Baz with a petrol bomb somehow, I suspect he would be overcome with the fumes and crumble where he stood - the only down-side to that from Basil's perspective would be that he would go up in flames. I call that a right result!Basil has thrown petrol bombs actually. In riot training one group gets to be the rioters and realism is the order of the day. That was over 25 years ago.

[cerberus]

Basil,
Were you the big fecking Garda who gave me the speeding ticket ! :whip: