The New Left vs. the Old Left

[Billy Score]

I scanned a page from this argentinian book "AntiCapitalismo" that Nuctemeron gave me from Argentina. It has an excellent comparison between the new left and the old left. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Mazdak/anticapitalismopage.jpg


Nuctemeron, if you'd like to fill in the blanks, be my guest.

[jcs]

Fundamental definitions:
Old left--pragmatic. The whole ideology is shaped around getting things done. No time for questions; no time for thought. With us or against us. The Cause! The Cause!
New left--lazy, passive, whiney liberals. Get stoned and bitch about the government.

[B-Pep]

Traditional Left- Sacrifice for the Cause is valued
New "Anti-Capitalism"- Creation of a happy and plentiful life is valued

Traditional Left- Individual interests are dissolved for the collective good
New Left- The collective includes and accepts individual interest

Tradtional Left- Questioning and uncertainty are condemned
New Left- "Not knowing" is a foundamental part of life

Traditional Left- Private life is not necessary
New Left- Private life is foundamental

TRaditional Left- Habits and lifestyle are stable and "grey"
New Left- Mundane pleasure and "color" is acceptable

Traditional Left- Intolerance towards weakness and errors
New Left- Understanding the fallecies of all human beings

Tradtional Left- A person who does not take into question consequences is valued
New Left- Courage is valued but it should accompanied by sensitivity

Traditional Left- There are "Cults" of Heroes and Martyrs who have died
New Left- Cult of life and the everyday fighters

Traditional Left- Militants seperate of common people
New Left- Integrated militants

Traditional Left- Rigid Discipline
New Left- Comprimising and flexible

Traditional Left- Angry militants
New Left- "Happy" militants

[Berianidze]

Good post outlining the distinctions between the old and new left; I've always considered myself to be of the old left variety, and find it extremely difficult to associate myself in any way with the new left. The new left movement has absolutely no direction and offers no hope for the future.

[Billy Score]

Yes, it is because of this that i refuse to associate with modern "communist" movements. I agree 100% with the old left stance. This is why i do not say i am not a socialist. because the old left embodies pretty nearly all my ideals.

[Anarch]

I prefer the old left to the new left, easily.

[jcs]

The old left had passion, at least, whereas the new left is just passive. However, I find the old left disgusting. It has passion only because passion is necessary; vision realized: old becomes new.

[Jimbo Gomez]

The old left was just as dangerous. Its men just had testicles, unlike those new left faggots.

[Berianidze]

The old left was just as dangerous. Its men just had testicles, unlike those new left faggots.

Thank you! :D To be considered dangerous by a man of your political disposition is most definitely a compliment, not to mention your recognition of the old left's testicular fortitude!

[RikuDrak]

Good outline, I had been thinking a bit of how "today" feels different than "yesterday" and this just brought words to the feelings.

The new left movement has absolutely no direction and offers no hope for the future.
Agreed.

[Sinclair]

The "New Left" is rather pathetic. And then of course there's the "New New Left" as exemplified by groups like the modern US Democrats. The Left has lost its way, really. It's much worse at appealing to the working class, for instance.

[Vindex]

Well they won back in the 70's, only it was more in the social area and not drastic in the economic marxism area. I think later or hopefully sooner in the Race "movement, will swing back to the lefty area it once had, the rightwing shit has crippled it to death. It should be noticed Uncle Adolf copied a lot of his tactics and took notes from the reds.

[Revolution_of_the_Mind]

Yes, this is a good post. I have always categorized myself under Old Left. New Left seems like it has been written by a bunch of liberal hippies.

[Gaucho]

The new left is more influenced by "cultural marxism" than actual collectivist economics and (like neo-conservatism), is in favor of the notion of a "one world" system in which all cultures and national sovereignty's are destroyed. The old left (pre-frankfurt school), apart from being more pragmatic, had more respectable values.

[raven]

To be honest I don't prefer either. Totalitarianism and Hippie potheadism both don't really go down well with me.