Accusations of trolling

[Ixtab]

I have noticed that people are throwing around the word 'troll' as a general slur against individuals with whom they disagree on an ideological level, or as a pretext for dismissing without argument posts which they cannot formulate a response to. The use of this term has become, in effect, a tacit admission that the user has no argument. This is flaming. If it continues it will only precipitate my leaving this forum.

[Commander]

I wouldn't say you are a "troll". I would say you are someone with an agenda, & a somewhat controversial outlook on things. In short, a run of the mill poster around here.

A troll is more someone who posts idiotic, stupid garbage, virtually 99% of the membership will reject, & does nothing but take up bandwidth / annoy people.

[Ixtab]

I wouldn't say you are a "troll". I would say you are someone with an agenda, & a somewhat controversial outlook on things. In short, a run of the mill poster around here.

A troll is more someone who posts idiotic, stupid garbage, virtually 99% of the membership will reject, & does nothing but take up bandwidth / annoy people.That is correct.

[Starr]

Some accuse you of trolling because you seem to go though opinions like a baby goes through diapers and you take to those opinions with a sort of in-your-face intensity and seem to like to say things that suggest you are fishing for a negative response. these antics are not annoying as much as they are funny. Some of your past sock puppets such as Shaun Goldstein were priceless in humor. I do realize that people can and often do change their opinions drastically over a course of time, especially when they are fairly young. If that is the case with you, then I apologize. But I still do get the feeling that even if your opinions are truly your real opinions, you do still play them up for effect.

[Ixtab]

Some accuse you of trolling because you seem to go though opinions like a baby goes through diapersNo I don't. I merely adjust my views in light of new information. World-views ought to undergo constant revision as understanding and knowledge grow. I distrust any man who has held the same opinion for more than one year. Mental rigidity is the mark of the simpleton.

The valuative basis of my beliefs has not changed that much, though. I think much the same way as I did when I was a Marxist.

and you take to those opinions with a sort of in-your-face intensityI don't.

and seem to like to say things that suggest you are fishing for a negative response.I don't.

these antics are not annoying as much as they are funny.When people think I am facetious when I am perfectly serious, rational discussion is impossible.

[Keystone]

Some accuse you of trolling because you seem to go though opinions like a baby goes through diapers
:rofl:
and you take to those opinions with a sort of in-your-face intensity and seem to like to say things that suggest you are fishing for a negative response.
Ixabert's okay. He starts interesting threads, but actually conversing with him is a chore. The baiting/android act gets old real fast, and I've been through child-rearing already.
No offense intended.

[Ixtab]

I am the only member here who ever says anything of substance. I am the only one who has any thoughts of his own.

[Johnson]

If you say so, "Neo-Galtonian." :p

[Ahknaton]

I am the only member here who ever says anything of substance. I am the only one who has original thoughts.
sprinklehopper posts far more original material than you do. So does Thoth.

[Petr]

I am the only member here who ever says anything of substance. I am the only one who has any thoughts of his own.
Not true, li'l twerp. That's me. :)


Petr

[Ixtab]

sprinklehopper posts far more original material than you do. So does Thoth.There is much of orginality in the word salid of the schizophrenic, but it is completely without value. Unlike the members to whom you refer, I offer originality and quality.

[Starr]

Ixabert's okay. He starts interesting threads.

Yes, I definitely agree. He is very smart and makes some very good points. His presence, for the most, is a definite plus.

[Niko Bellic]

I have noticed that people are throwing around the word 'troll' as a slur against individuals with whom they disagree on an ideological level, or as a pretext for dismissing without argument posts which they cannot formulate a response to. The use of this term has become, in effect, a tacit admission that the user has no argument. This is flaming. If it continues it will only precipitate my leaving this forum.

You'll never leave this forum, but you're right about the way many members of all forums use the word "troll".

[Ahknaton]

It is probably unfair to label Neo-Galtonian a "troll". "Prima donna" would be a more apt description.

[OVERWATCH]

The term "troll" is indeed hackneyed and misused. I define a 'troll' as someone on an internut venue who regularly utters purposefully outrageous and inflammatory things to cause others to become angered; the troll generally does not believe the trollish things they post, and the goal of a troll's posts are not to offer convincing argumentation; rather, he chooses to post trollish things in hopes that others may lose their composure.

[Ixtab]

You'll never leave this forum, but you're right about the way many members of all forums use the word "troll".It is already becoming too tiresome for me to post here, because I don't have a working computer any more. I have to use public computers.

[Arrow Cross]

Then what is this (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=318773&postcount=7), Ix? An "elf-post"?

[OVERWATCH]

Then what is this (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=318773&postcount=7), Ix? An "elf-post"?

That post in the link is a classic ,onerous trollpost.

[Vasily Zaitsev]

People may be quick to accuse of you of trolling, Ix, because you have an admitted history of doing so elsewhere.

[Niko Bellic]

It is already becoming too tiresome for me to post here, because I don't have a working computer any more. I have to use public computers.

So get a working computer, they aren't that expensive.

[Ixtab]

People may be quick to accuse of you of trolling, Ix, because you have an admitted history of doing so elsewhere.Political satire and black propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda) is something different from trolling.

[Hachiko]

I am the only member here who ever says anything of substance. I am the only one who has any thoughts of his own.
Dude, all you ever do is ask for recommendations for cartridge based game systems and copy-pasta news articles. :rofl:

[Rakhmetov]

Everyone negative rep bomb Neo-Galtonian.

[Kim Jong Tha Illest]

Everyone negative rep bomb Neo-Galtonian.

Not your personal army?

[Burrhus]

Neo-Galtonian: These are the sorts of people who oppose the BNP:


Quote:
Basil Fawlty,

Mohammedan apologist, Jew-hater, Holocaust denier.


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Burrhus,

Mohammedan apologist, Jew-hater, Holocaust denier, sexual degenerate.


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Daniel Shays,

Mohammedan apologist, Jew-hater, Holocaust denier, Marxist-Leninist


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Greenberg,

Mohammedan apologist, anarchist, probably a sexual degenerate.


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Heavens to Betsy,

Feminist, sexual degenerate, probably a Mohammedan apologist


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kultron,

Mohammedan apologist, Jew-hater, Holocaust denier, neo-Nazi, probably a sexual degenerate.


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Spark,

Mohammedan apologist, Jew-hater, Holocaust denier, Marxist-Leninist.


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Vasily Zaitsev

Mohammedan apologist, Marxist-Leninist, sexual degenerate.

Ixabert is a troll in my opinion. This is classic posting-to-piss-people-off from Ix. I believe that he is an emotionally disturbed young boy who needs help. I hope that he gets it.

I also don't think that is nearly as intelligent as some people here believe. He writes well but that is not intelligence.

I feel sorry for him.

[Ixtab]

Ixabert is a troll in my opinion. This is classic posting-to-piss-people-off from Ix.Flaming is not synonymous with trolling.

I believe that he is an emotionally disturbed young boy who needs help. I hope that he gets it.Not in the slightest bit. I am in a very healthy mental state. I have no psychological disorders of any kind. I am quite happy and content with my life.

[Lysius]

I also don't think that is nearly as intelligent as some people here believe. He writes well but that is not intelligence. How could someone write well without at least being verbally intelligent?

[Zubenelgenubi]

I don't think you are a troll or are unintelligent, NG, but I think you take this forum and your image on it a little too seriously. It's an internet forum with no real influence on the outside world and it is an internet forum where you are going to find people with widely differing views for a wide variety of reasons. If you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is doing so because they are less intelligent or original than you are, you aren't going to win the argument by telling them that whether or not it is true. Otherwise, your ability to have productive discussions will be limited. It's like playing chess: you have to assume the other person knows what they are doing so you don't get caught off guard.

By the way, sorry for making fun of you on the shoutbox the other day. I hope it didn't piss you off too much.

[Boleslaw]

It is probably unfair to label Neo-Galtonian a "troll". "Prima donna" would be a more apt description.

We can also add "Drama queen" as well. Especially with his vain attempt to get me banned (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15316) over a trival issue involving me calling him a "sick fucker" because he advocated the castration of little boys!

Then this very thread is another classic example of him being a Drama queen.

[Keystone]

By the way, sorry for making fun of you on the shoutbox the other day. I hope it didn't piss you off too much.
Everybody should stop babying the guy. Fuck's sake.

[Boleslaw]

If it continues it will only precipitate my leaving this forum.
Next up on the program will be a performace of Mozart's Violin Concerto No. 3 in G major by the London Symphony Orchestra. :nopity:

[Zubenelgenubi]

Everybody should stop babying the guy. Fuck's sake.

Perhaps, but I hardly know the guy, and I don't actually have anything against him personally. He's just easy to make fun of.

[Burrhus]

Originally Posted by Neo-Galtonian
If it continues it will only precipitate my leaving this forum.

Don't let the software hit you in the butt on your way out.

[Boleslaw]

Everybody here has some kind of grievence against the forum or some of its members. Im no exception. Big fucking deal.

Endlessly whinning about it and threatening to leave isnt going to change that.

[Starr]

It's an internet forum with no real influence on the outside world and it is an internet forum where you are going to find people with widely differing views for a wide variety of reasons

Is that entirely true? Anyone, anywhere can happen upon this site, just as they can any other site and be drawn to and learn from the discussions and opinions.

[Zubenelgenubi]

Is that entirely true? Anyone, anywhere can happen upon this site, just as they can any other site and be drawn to and learn from the discussions and opinions.

Yes, that's what's great about the internet. My point was just that it's not important enough to get all stressed out about.

[Rakhmetov]

I'll concede that Ixabert has a good sense of political and black humor.

[Ixtab]

Next up on the program will be a performace of Mozart's Violin Concerto No. 3 in G major by the London Symphony Orchestra. :nopity:What do you mean?

[Ixtab]

I don't think you are a troll or are unintelligent, NG, but I think you take this forum and your image on it a little too seriously.If I cared what others thought about me I wouldn't be posting on this forum.

[Zubenelgenubi]

If I cared what others thought about me I wouldn't be posting on this forum.
I don't mean you want everyone to like you. I mean you want everyone to think you are a rebel and smarter than them.

[Fitz]

I don't mean you want everyone to like you. I mean you want everyone to think you are a rebel and smarter than them.

I think you have him nailed.

[Ixtab]

I don't mean you want everyone to like you. I mean you want everyone to think you are a rebel and smarter than them.That would involve deception. It would also require that I cared what others thought of me. I am very much indifferent to the opinions of others, and even if I did have some slight interest in their opinions about me, my nature so much abhors a falsehood, that any desire to deceive others would be extinguished.

[Boleslaw]

What do you mean?
It means quit your bitching, nobody cares!!!!

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I have noticed that people are throwing around the word 'troll' as a general slur against individuals with whom they disagree on an ideological level, or as a pretext for dismissing without argument posts which they cannot formulate a response to. The use of this term has become, in effect, a tacit admission that the user has no argument. This is flaming. If it continues it will only precipitate my leaving this forum.
Sorry I couldn’t get to this faster for obvious reasons. I completely agree, you took the words right out of my mouth. It’s just laughable, a troll is someone who signs up to spam the board or blatantly breaks forum rules, it isn’t someone who won’t give up. If VNN or Stormfront calls you a troll it means you are a rule-following high quality poster. If moderators side with them it means they are weak. I even posted a similar thing here in response to Mike. Look at what I’ve wrote in the past.
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=315273&postcount=29
“I believe the word "trolling" is being thrown around here quite liberally. This isn't your forum, you don't run it, and people who disagree with you aren't trolls. Go back to VNN.

A troll is someone who breaks the rules, it isn't someone who on a regular basis poses a threat to exposing the inherent holes in your faulty arguments.”
-me

I am the only member here who ever says anything of substance. I am the only one who has original thoughts.
That may have been true while I was banned, but it isn’t true anymore.

To me you are as annoying as God123123
That’s a major complement. You are being compared to the best poster on this forum.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I have noticed that people are throwing around the word 'troll' as a general slur against individuals with whom they disagree on an ideological level, or as a pretext for dismissing without argument posts which they cannot formulate a response to. The use of this term has become, in effect, a tacit admission that the user has no argument. This is flaming. If it continues it will only precipitate my leaving this forum.
I have noticed the trend of calling everyone a troll has stopped but low quality stupidity has not. Instead of calling people trolls, now it is personal insults and attacks. There is always something "they" will use to obstruct the debate on proper issues. Not to mention, I've seen a few posters who had seemingly sane positions on the issues at one point lower themselves to complete stupidity and who have actually intellectually gone down hill.

Utopian/Neo-Galtonian, as I started a thread about this before, and has continued since your post here, the overall quality of the phora has declined sharply over the last year. I can remember when I once thought of the phora as a somewhat highbrow forum, a free speech forum, a forum where debate was encouraged and redneck flaming discouraged. I even got caught up into this a bit and got myself banned, but the truth is there is a macro-level trend of stupidity that has taken over this forum, and maybe people like you and I should look elsewhere for quality discussion.

[Frank]

I have noticed that people are throwing around the word 'troll' as a general slur against individuals with whom they disagree on an ideological level, or as a pretext for dismissing without argument posts which they cannot formulate a response to. The use of this term has become, in effect, a tacit admission that the user has no argument. This is flaming. If it continues it will only precipitate my leaving this forum.

If I refer to someone as a "troll" it is usually because they have said something so stupid that I simply cannot believe a person with an IQ over 70 would say such a thing.

For example the following thread is a clear example of this:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=389900

If anything I should be praised for giving such a poster the benefit of the doubt by assuming he is trolling and not a blithering idiot. I am showing faith in his intellect though I may regret doing so...

[Berianidze]

I have noticed the trend of calling everyone a troll has stopped but low quality stupidity has not. Instead of calling people trolls, now it is personal insults and attacks. There is always something "they" will use to obstruct the debate on proper issues. Not to mention, I've seen a few posters who had seemingly sane positions on the issues at one point lower themselves to complete stupidity and who have actually intellectually gone down hill.

Utopian/Neo-Galtonian, as I started a thread about this before, and has continued since your post here, the overall quality of the phora has declined sharply over the last year. I can remember when I once thought of the phora as a somewhat highbrow forum, a free speech forum, a forum where debate was encouraged and redneck flaming discouraged. I even got caught up into this a bit and got myself banned, but the truth is there is a macro-level trend of stupidity that has taken over this forum, and maybe people like you and I should look elsewhere for quality discussion.
You do realize that this is a routine for Ix? He has been a Juche socialist, eugenicist, nationalist, race-realist, homosexual etc. over the many years he's posted online, as well as a staunch anti-Zionist. Ix has a habit of taking on positions he doesn't particularly agree with, adopts them for a while and argues with others. It will only be a matter of time before he drops his philo-semitism and his e-friendship with you :rolleyes:.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I think his positions over the year have gone uphill in general, not downhill, and so if he keeps that momentum going, I'll only like him more in the future. IX I think is an introspective person who changes his positions as he continues to examine them and I consider this to be a good quality.

The only thing I disagree with him about is his support for globalism, which I think small government and localism is the way to go.

[Ixtab]

You do realize that this is a routine for Ix? He has been a Juche socialist, eugenicist, nationalist, race-realist, homosexual etc. over the many years he's posted online, as well as a staunch anti-Zionist.You mention all of these positions as though they constituted separate phases of my ideological career. When I was a Juche Socialist I was also a eugenicist, a nationalist, and a race realist; I was all of these things simultaneously. I just dropped the Marxian (Juche) Socialism and anti-Zionism and continue to hold all of the other positions you mentioned. And I remain a Socialist, just not of the Marxist type.

Ix has a habit of taking on positions he doesn't particularly agree with, adopts them for a while and argues with others.I agree with all of the positions I adopt and you have exaggerated the manifoldness of such positions by treating them as separate phases in my career whereas in fact I adopted most of them simultaneously and continue to adopt most of them. I have only dropped the Marxism and the antisemitism.

It will only be a matter of time before he drops his philo-semitism and his e-friendship with you :rolleyes:.You should recall that ever since you knew me I was a eugenicist, a socialist and a race realist. I often debated with Disco Stu on the subject of eugenisc. The Anarchist Tension often denounced my views on race. Since you have known me I have made exactly two significant ideological changes. The valuative basis of my beliefs remain entirely unchanged.

[Warka]

...maybe...I should look elsewhere for quality discussion.

Best thing you've posted in a long time.

[Frank]

Best thing you've posted in a long time.

Has Kane considered Mootstormfront? It is run by a gentleman who would probably meet his favour. :D

[Crowley]

It is already becoming too tiresome for me to post here, because I don't have a working computer any more. I have to use public computers.

You are just a young punk. A summer on a construction crew would do you well.
If you leave it will make no difference to me.

[Crowley]

I have noticed the trend of calling everyone a troll has stopped but low quality stupidity has not. Instead of calling people trolls, now it is personal insults and attacks. There is always something "they" will use to obstruct the debate on proper issues. Not to mention, I've seen a few posters who had seemingly sane positions on the issues at one point lower themselves to complete stupidity and who have actually intellectually gone down hill.

Utopian/Neo-Galtonian, as I started a thread about this before, and has continued since your post here, the overall quality of the phora has declined sharply over the last year. I can remember when I once thought of the phora as a somewhat highbrow forum, a free speech forum, a forum where debate was encouraged and redneck flaming discouraged. I even got caught up into this a bit and got myself banned, but the truth is there is a macro-level trend of stupidity that has taken over this forum, and maybe people like you and I should look elsewhere for quality discussion.

You guys should get a room.