Blacks Celebrate Rape and Mutilation of Whites

[Draco]

http://pub49.bravenet.com/forum/4126720138/show/708713

Channon Christian Lie and Cover-up

I am reading alot of lies and untruths about that white devil, Channon Christian and the way she was 'attacked'. Maybe you read the same and I want to clarify what THE TRUTH is. The fact is, SHE KNEW HER 'attackers' and staged the whole thing. Being a privlidged white slut and the heiress of slaveowners, she was only focused on her own selfish life of sex and drugs. Tired of her boyfriend and soley focused on experiencing a gangbang with some beautiful Black males she knew - her life took a wrong turn and ruin the life of our Brothers in the process. There were a lot of emails going back and forth between the 'attackers' (victims) and this blue-eyed devil who was only focused on her filthy white-slut lust for a Black gang-bang and the hole between her nasty legs. In the emails, she told them that she was a "painslut" and wanted to see how much pain she could take and instructed to do "ANYTHING" that would cause the most pain to her evil white slut body as long as they "GOT RID" of her boyfriend. The 'attackers' at first ignored her requests and respectfully reclined but she was relentless, teasing and taunting them with her sexual fantasies until they finally gave in as is human nature. Our Brothers were then told by her that she hired some people (white) to "GET RID" of her boyfriend and that the stage was set. The hired whites 'carjackd' them and took the boyfriend and that white ho DROVE HERSELF to where they agreed to meet our Brothers. Like all white women, she evil and her evil not just in her head and heart, but in the ultimate physical manifistation of pure evil - the white slut body. She blackmailed our Brothers saying that unless they did everything they could to torture her and sexually satisfy her, she would blackmail them for the murder of her boyfriend. She even made them bring one of they girlfriends into it as she wanted to have sex with a Strong Black Woman and be made to play the 'White Slut'. Our Brothers agreed out of fear and did everything they could think of to her (that she told them to do) including using her filthy body as she told them to and acts of torture that she demanded they do to her for her sexual fantcies that included killing her EXACTLY as she told them to until her death that SHE ASKED FOR and they were FORCED to do to her. Only a daughter of the devil himself would want to be ****ed and tortured to death! At the end of the agreed on 4-day gang bang, our Brothers were forced to hold her down and cut-off her breasts as a sacrifise to her dark demonic god, then immerse her in a tub of bleach (again, HER sexual fantasy) and remove her skin slowly as to make her climax harder and harder as she shoved her hands into her filthy hold again and again. The DEVILS DAUGHTER got what she deserved and now our Brothers and Sista got to pay the price. These white ******* is all the same don't matter if they young or older white sluts. It about time we started giving them the treatment they ALL truely deserve and ask for every day.

I don’t doubt what you say. It is possible that he had his own agenda as well (trading that whyte pig for crack) but my understanding was that she was on a very different path. I hear that that slut left a 'suicide note' saying goodbye to everybody, and gave our Brothers VERY detailed instructions on what they were to do to her - VERY DETAILED including how it was to end with her breasts being removed in the tub and skinned alive while having large insertions stuffed between her legs into her holes so that she died while climaxing. I heard that our Brothers were very disturbed by this but that she was blackmailing them so they had to do it. It is very clear that our Brothers were the victim here, the victim of this devil who's only concern was her own disgsuting sexuality and fantacies of an all-Black GB, getting used as hard as possible and her slow sexual-torture for the sole sake of getting her filthy slut body off. It is true that our brothers did all they could to pound that evil slut as hard as humanly possible perhaps taking some revenge or joy in it, but it was EXACTLY as they were instructed. They lowered themselves to this devils level. For they sake, I hope then enjoyed every minute using that evil ***** and I hope with all my might that that filthy whyte pig suffered more than she ever imagined and that her nasty hole was tore-up to her filthy hips. It saddens me that our Brothers and Sista must pay the price for this animal and I hope someone finds four very simular whyte sluts and personally makes them suffer for this whyte devils filthy and selfish act (eye for an eye).

The more and more I hear and read about her, it sounds like she was trying to get back at her daddy in some way. You know white girls are like that. When they are mad at their daddies, they do things like 'Girls Gone Wild'.

I am sorry Letelvis and Lemaricus bowed to the level of the Beast too. Often I fear the longer and longer we are around whites, the more we will pick up their bad behavior, habits and values.

The best thing about it is whites don't have souls when they die. They turn into ghosts and can't leave this realm.

It's a true tragedy, but atleast Christopher and Channon aren't alive anymore.

Letalvis and Lemaricus are heroes.

This is true what you say, lot of these whytes the same way - even the very young ones now. I got me a nephew who almost 17, he telln me that that there is this blue-eyed devil who all over him saying she want to be with him, does everything and will let him do whatever he want to her. she only 12 but act like she older than that. He saying no as she is too young for that, maybe I call him today and tell him this story, maybe now he say yes but before he take this little racist pig home wit him, maybe he call some of his nigs to meet him there, maybe they do some payback for our Brothers, maybe after she agree to do "anything", maybe they all hold that whyte ho down by her limbs and take turns punishing this lying devil for her sins and for the sins of her race and the sins of that monster we all writing about. Maybe they take turns making her suffer in the place that consumes her every moment, maybe they turn her pleasure devils hole between her legs into a place of pain while they chanting the names of our Brothers Letalvis and Lemaricus who will be denigned that pleasure for the rest of they lives. Maybe we all need to start showing these lying, racist whyte sluts what they here for and maybe, just maybe, somebody reading this will find themselves a little pig to do the same to, and so on and so on...

It is in regards to this:

http://missingexploited.com/2007/01/12/three-men-in-custody-in-murder-of-channon-christian-and-christopher-newsom/

Three men have been arrested, Letalvis Cobbins, Lemaricus Davidson and George Thomas in connect with the brutal murders of 21 year old University of Tennessee student, Channon Christian and 23 year old Christopher Newsom. Police are saying that the couple was carjacked then murdered.

Police say Newsom was shot and his body was burned when it was found. Officers said Christian was held for a couple of days and raped before she was killed.

http://www.apfte.net/Pages/Links/compositeofaccused.gif

http://bp2.blogger.com/_iYpvsifL054/RcVctGr7dtI/AAAAAAAAAEU/LPY0tzooBIw/s1600/Channon-Christianstack.jpeg

This is being supressed and is not reported outside the local level. Discuss.

[Lieutenant William Bligh]

If there is a race of people without souls, look no further than the Black race. :mad:

The more and more I hear and read about her, it sounds like she was trying to get back at her daddy in some way. You know white girls are like that. When they are mad at their daddies, they do things like 'Girls Gone Wild'.

I am sorry Letelvis and Lemaricus bowed to the level of the Beast too. Often I fear the longer and longer we are around whites, the more we will pick up their bad behavior, habits and values.

The best thing about it is whites don't have souls when they die. They turn into ghosts and can't leave this realm.

It's a true tragedy, but atleast Christopher and Channon aren't alive anymore.

Letalvis and Lemaricus are heroes.

[Keystone]

I am sorry Letelvis and Lemaricus bowed to the level of the Beast too. Often I fear the longer and longer we are around whites, the more we will pick up their bad behavior, habits and values.

The best thing about it is whites don't have souls when they die. They turn into ghosts and can't leave this realm.

It's a true tragedy, but atleast Christopher and Channon aren't alive anymore.

Letalvis and Lemaricus are heroes.

How can you not hate niggers?

Harjit? Mr. Angry? Anyone?

[Draco]

I want to hear from the color-blind crowd on their justification for this (the crime and the cover up).

[Dr. Gutberlet]

I posted about this awhile ago, still wondering as to why it has been buried by the media.

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20204

[Starr]

I don’t doubt what you say. It is possible that he had his own agenda as well (trading that whyte pig for crack) but my understanding was that she was on a very different path. I hear that that slut left a 'suicide note' saying goodbye to everybody, and gave our Brothers VERY detailed instructions on what they were to do to her - VERY DETAILED including how it was to end with her breasts being removed in the tub and skinned alive while having large insertions stuffed between her legs into her holes so that she died while climaxing. I heard that our Brothers were very disturbed by this but that she was blackmailing them so they had to do it.

Not only are these so called people disgusting and vile animals, but they are also 100% batshit insane. Now I realize negroes don't have the highest IQ and all, but did they even think about how weird this sounds before they said it?:crazy:

I am sorry Letelvis and Lemaricus bowed to the level of the Beast too. Often I fear the longer and longer we are around whites, the more we will pick up their bad behavior, habits and values.


And what might those bad behaviors, habits and values be? the ones that make a person compatible with civilization? Yes, that must be very difficult for a negro.

[Winston]

Unfortunately, the anti-racist crowd will just point to that foolish burning immigrant thread, and if they wouldn't then they will now.

[Vasily Zaitsev]

This is sick and crazy, but it's not all that far from some of the nuttier shit you'll find on racist forums.

Especially from the CI "beasts of the field" crowd. Nothing seems to animate the fantasy lives of people more effectively than thoughts of their enemy groups' sexual evil.

[Starr]

Unfortunately, the anti-racist crowd will just point to that foolish burning immigrant thread, and if they wouldn't then they will now.


Yes, exactly what I was thinking of also. The diffence in my mind, though, even if some of the comments were a bit unneccessary is that thread did not involve celebrating, justifying and making their own sick and twisted comments and also coming up with some wild theories about a rape and double murder. You can just feel the base and animalistic nature of these people coming through in their words.

they are even coming very close to suggesting that negroes should go out and commit crimes of this type against whites. I didn't see anyone in that thread suggesting that whites commit crimes against blacks or burn down houses with negroes or immigrants in them.

It about time we started giving them the treatment they ALL truely deserve and ask for every day.

They are all suggesting that white women have some bizarre secret desire to be raped and mutilated by black men, which sounds almost eerily like something a psychopath might dream up.

[Larrikin]

I don't think it will change the view of niggers-haters round here, but I am disgusted by these criminals and maybe even more disgusted (if this is possible) by any attempts to justify their atrocious killings.

These individuals have no place whatsoever in any human society and anyone declaring solidarity with them should be hung right next to them.

[Warka]

Understand that these comments are from Niggerdom's cream of the crop, too- Niggaz Wit Innanet Akscez.

[Niko Bellic]

I am reading alot of lies and untruths about that white devil, Channon Christian and the way she was 'attacked'. Maybe you read the same and I want to clarify what THE TRUTH is. The fact is, SHE KNEW HER 'attackers' and staged the whole thing. Being a privlidged white slut and the heiress of slaveowners, she was only focused on her own selfish life of sex and drugs. Tired of her boyfriend and soley focused on experiencing a gangbang with some beautiful Black males she knew - her life took a wrong turn and ruin the life of our Brothers in the process. There were a lot of emails going back and forth between the 'attackers' (victims) and this blue-eyed devil who was only focused on her filthy white-slut lust for a Black gang-bang and the hole between her nasty legs. In the emails, she told them that she was a "painslut" and wanted to see how much pain she could take and instructed to do "ANYTHING" that would cause the most pain to her evil white slut body as long as they "GOT RID" of her boyfriend.

I hate niggers as much as the next Phorite, but is there any chance that is true? It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Gang bang gone out of control? Can copies of these alleged emails be produced?

[Heavens to Betsy]

There really does seem to be something of a media black out on this case. There's almost nothing about it online coming from anyone but bloggers and internet forums. Compare it to something like the Duke rape case and it's not hard to leap to a conpiracy theory.

[Warka]

I hate niggers as much as the next Phorite, but is there any chance that is true? It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Gang bang gone out of control? Can copies of these alleged emails be produced?

If it were true I'm sure the emails or some other evidence would have made its way to the White online community by now and she'd be denounced as a race-traitor. I'm calling negro conspiracy theory with a typical "she wanted da black cock!" bonus claim on it. Let's see the emails.

[Starr]

I hate niggers as much as the next Phorite, but is there any chance that is true? It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Gang bang gone out of control? Can copies of these alleged emails be produced?


Nothing is outside the realm of possibilities, but this just sounds like typical black power type negroes justifying animalistic behavior of some of their own. In their world, after all, blacks are never to be blamed for their own behaviors. Whitey is always asking for it or conspiring against them and white women can't get enough of them,etc.:hurl:

[Larrikin]

If it were true I'm sure the emails or some other evidence would have made thier way to the White online community by now and she'd be denounced as a race-traitor. I'm calling negro conspiracy theory with a typical "she wanted da black cock!" bonus claim on it. Let's see the emails.
In Germany we had a case of cannibalism in which the victim actually volunteered to have his penis cut off, fried and eaten before his eyes before being killed and further dismembered. There ARE sick people out there...

But even though I wouldn't consider this she-wanted-it-story to be true, even if it WAS: this wouldn't make the perpetrators an ounce less sicker bastards and anyone calling them heroes should share their fate.

[Draco]

Other than Larrikans surprisingly civil and sane post I am still dismayed by the lack of the color blind crowd.

I didn't post this to rally the choir, I genuinely want to know the color blind crowds ideas on why this is being covered up (and it is undeniable that it is being covered up).

Curiously, as an addendum, while researching this, I came across quite a few local newspaper comments forums, with people posting it (much as I did here) to spark discussion on why it is being covered up. Now here is the curious part.

Over half of the pages I looked at had spam from these same blacks saying the same stuff using sock-puppets to make themselves looks correct. Truly surreal.

Some examples:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/178831/the_channon_christianchristopher_newsom.html

The reason for the 'media blackout' is due to the Christopher and Channon's relationship with the 'so called' attackers. The media doesn't want the public to know that Channon and Christopher knew the Lemaricus and Letalvis. Channon and Christopher were crack smokers. Channon traded Christopher for crack and then blackmailed the boys into the death by sexual torture scenario. It is truly sick, but truly classic 'white' american. Sick. Sick. Sick.

Another comment left by Dr. Love hits the nail on the head:

If you read these posts.....you can instantly tell who is black & who is white. The black posters show as much compassion as the criminals did. NONE. They ridicule, joke, & completely dismiss this tragedy. You can be assured they would sing a different tune if the tables were reveresed. The cries for Sharpton & Jesse would resonate. It is clear the media hides this. Look at everyday life. How many times have you been a vicitm at the hands of Black people? I have been a vicitm of Black on white crime 3 times in my life. Many people I have met have similar stories. Yet, Blacks constantly say they are victims by whites? I never witnessed a white family member, friend, co-worker, aquiantance, neighbor, ever ever assualt or hurt a negro. NEVER, but the opposite is a regular occurrance. They consider themselves victims when we dont run to their aid fast enough like Katrina. They expect much, the contribute little. Be afraid, they are killing whites daily. Detroit, New Orleans

Heres another page run by the negroes, it ranks how sexy black men are based on the white people they murder:

http://www.svengalimedia.com/race/sexiest_black_male_felon_2006.html

[Draco]

This is sick and crazy, but it's not all that far from some of the nuttier shit you'll find on racist forums.

Especially from the CI "beasts of the field" crowd. Nothing seems to animate the fantasy lives of people more effectively than thoughts of their enemy groups' sexual evil.


Not to get off topic, but seriously, there is like five CI adherents still around, and four are feds. Also, other than Lindstedt's harmless raving, I have never encountered anything remotely like this on any white racist site.

This is some really sick shit.

[Warka]

Wow, get a load of that web site: http://www.svengalimedia.com/

Anti-racists, these are the animals you fight to protect.

[Niko Bellic]

Wow, get a load of that web site: http://www.svengalimedia.com/

Anti-racists, these are the animals you fight to protect.

That's what happens when you teach a nigger to read.

[ZOGsoldier]

Funny how much alike WNs and Afrocentrist bastards sound.

[Niko Bellic]

Funny how much alike WNs and Afrocentrist bastards sound.

Why does that surprise you? On WN forums, you'll see sympathy and a sort of detached comradeship with black nationalists. BTW I'm not a WN, I just hate niggers and muslims of any race.:)

[Larrikin]

Other than Larrikans surprisingly civil and sane post I am still dismayed by the lack of the color blind crowd.

Thanks for your appreciation.
Giving the others comments mere nigger-beast-bashing seems to be enough for the most of the crowd here.
Rather poor.

I didn't post this to rally the choir, I genuinely want to know the color blind crowds ideas on why this is being covered up (and it is undeniable that it is being covered up).

I am really wondering what is going on.
To be true, at first I thought it was a hoax, because nearly only blogs covered the case, but it is not. And considered the media attention brutal crimes normally gets, I'm absolutly perplexed that no big magazine or TV is covering it.

I can imagine that authorities like to keep this low level for fear of racial tension increasing (and, considered the tone of some here and in other blogs, not fully wrong).

But what I can't imagine is every big newspaper, magazine and TV following this wish of the authorities.

Curiously, as an addendum, while researching this, I came across quite a few local newspaper comments forums, with people posting it (much as I did here) to spark discussion on why it is being covered up. Now here is the curious part.

Over half of the pages I looked at had spam from these same blacks saying the same stuff using sock-puppets to make themselves looks correct. Truly surreal.

Well.
It is often enough that, if a black gets killed by white in any discussion about it, some guys show up going like "i'm sure the nigger was armed/selling drugs/stealing/try to kill him" no matter what the facts actually are.

This case is an example of this idiocy the other way round and I find this behavior equally disgusting and disgraceful.

Heres another page run by the negroes, it ranks how sexy black men are based on the white people they murder:

http://www.svengalimedia.com/race/sexiest_black_male_felon_2006.html

"Kirkland Perkins, competition editor, is waiving the 'rapist disqualification' rule & invoking the 'Emmitt Till' justifiable rape clause to include Lemaricus in the 2007 competition!

I know that this is called (can't get around the pun, sorry) 'black' humor , but I actually don't think this run by blacks.

[Larrikin]

Wow, get a load of that web site: http://www.svengalimedia.com/

Anti-racists, these are the animals you fight to protect.
It MUST be a satirical site:

The send an announcement for a crufew for whites to a Cincinnatti newspapaer, threatening to use absorbed UV light to cause skin cancer:

Ali, who trains blacks in a new science he developed that teaches them how they can use their ‘distinctive’ eumelanin to reradiate ultraviolet light and focus it on whites for the purpose of giving whites skin cancers (carcinomas, sarcomas and melanomas), visited Cincinnati to champion Webster and to institute a branch of his science here in the city.
http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/svengalimedia_curfew_for_white_people/

No way, this can be serious. No - way.

And this?
http://www.yacub7ali.org/
The The New Negro Sun Worship Movement? With head minister Amen Ra III.?

It's all either a strange comedy or inmates from local asylums.

[il ragno]

There is nothing new or - by nigger standards - particularly depraved about this.

The Central Park Jogger case when they massed in front of the courthouse shouting "da boyfrenn dunnit!" The OJ verdict when they danced in the street like chimpanzees from coast to coast, celebrating the scot-free victory of a double murderer who sawed off the head of the mother of his own children. The Carr Brothers case, when whitey first learned of the cultural importance of niggers sexually humiliating their victims before executing them- forcing the males to fellate each other at gunpoint and making the females watch, prior to their own violent rape. The shaved ape found guilty of multiple rape and murder who laughed at the husband of his prey's victim statement, calling him a "faggot" and compounding his children's agony with his monstrous capering, 'acting out' like Jewy taught him to do to the very last. Katrina, where beleagured hospital workers were forced to euthanize elderly patients while howling baboons stormed the doors and windows, eager to rape and kill indiscriminately. Kris Kime, and all the other however-many thousand, now-nameless, Kris Kimes - corpses of valuable, meaningful human beings turned into nigger prey and victims of opportunity - lives so full of promise, so worth living, blotted out forever by animals unsuitable even for chattel slavery.

The only thing unusual is how, whenever these reminders of the True Face Of Diversity arise, white racialists are shocked anew. We're supposed to be the haters around here, and yet our reactions to stuff like this betrays our own misguided hope that perhaps the antis are somewhat right and the blacks aren't really this...this...well, take your pick: savagely hateful, defiantly stupid, incapable of civilization, innately predatory, sub-if-not-pre-human....

And yet it's just a matter of time before certain members of this board will show up to chide us for uttering uncouth slurs before insisting that all of our righteous fury should be saved up for unleashing upon foreigners in far off dots on the map who have earned death and ruin through their savage behavior.

Amazing, innit? They'll call you a traitor for objecting to pissing away 100 trillion dollars to punish anti-Semites who've never murdered any American shopgirls and 7-11 clerks, yet defend Detroit and Camden and East St Louis with their dying breath. As one of them commented just yesterday, "What an undignified way for a great nation to die." You betcha.

[calvin]

In Scotland fifteen year old Kris Donald was tortured to death by a gang of Pakistanis who openly admitted that they had no other reason than racism for their crime. This crime didn’t make the national news and is virtually unknown outside the city in which it took place despite the fact that it was the first ever racist murder of a child and the worst racist murder in UK history. Crimes regularly go unreported in the mainstream media for no other reason than that the perpetrators are non-White and the victims are White. This is just a fact.

[Larrikin]

@ragnp

forgot to take your pills again?

[il ragno]

Just calling 'em like I see 'em. Which is to say, like it am.

[Larrikin]

Just calling 'em like I see 'em. Which is to say, like it am.
C'mon, I could easily hold rant about hideous white-on-black crimes or the like, but what's that good for?
Vicious crimes happen any time from all sites, sickos are not confined to one race whatsoever.

It's the different media coverage we try to talk about here.

[Thomas777]

C'mon, I could easily hold rant about hideous white-on-black crimes or the like, but what's that good for?

I think that hideous White on Black crimes are pretty rare. Other than the James Byrd murder and the Rick Byrdsong shooting, I can't think of any outside of incidents that are chronicled in history books.

[Niko Bellic]

C'mon, I could easily hold rant about hideous white-on-black crimes or the like, but what's that good for?
Vicious crimes happen any time from all sites, sickos are not confined to one race whatsoever.

It's the different media coverage we try to talk about here.

What hideous white-on-black crimes?

[ZOGsoldier]

something like the dragging death i mentioned

[Thomas777]

something like the dragging death i mentioned

That was the James Byrd murder. After the incident, the Federal Government dispatched agents to Jasper, TX, a 'tent city' was erected to accomidate national media, and the President of the United States addressed the media in order to condemn the event. Juxtapose this treatment of the affair with that of the Wichita Massacre.

[Warka]

something like the dragging death i mentioned

That wasn't particularly hideous. In the case of Channon Christian we're talking about brutal rape, slow torture, chemical baths, hands-on dismemberment, necrophilia, cannibalism and anything else those monkeys did to her over the course of days. Dragging a jig behind a vehicle is nothing in comparison on the "hideous" scale.

[il ragno]

C'mon, I could easily hold rant about hideous white-on-black crimes or the like, but what's that good for?

Can we keep count?

Because once it's blacks 5000, whites 12, I'm eager to hear Larrikin's next gambit.

Larrikin, you probably shouldn't be reading this thread, because you seem to be a decent guy, and hell, you're not even an American black; thus most of the American Nigger gestalt is likely alien to you. It's a shame the handful of good blacks have to stand in solidarity with the sewage...but the alternative is for whites to put on a big grin and pretend what's happening isn't really happening at all out of a polite desire to not give offense. Far too many whites are already guilted into doing exactly that, but I absolutely fucking refuse.

I'm sorry, but it's too late for good table manners and playing let's pretend.

[Thomas777]

Can we keep count?

Because once it's blacks 5000, whites 12, I'm eager to hear Larrikin's next gambit.

Larrikin, you probably shouldn't be reading this thread, because you seem to be a decent guy, and hell, you're not even an American black; thus most of the American Nigger gestalt is likely alien to you. It's a shame the handful of good blacks have to stand in solidarity with the sewage...but the alternative is for whites to put on a big grin and pretend what's happening isn't really happening at all out of a polite desire to not give offense. Far too many whites are already guilted into doing exactly that, but I absolutely fucking refuse.

I'm sorry, but it's too late for good table manners and playing let's pretend.

And that is the issue right there: 'Friend' and 'Enemy' aren't personal judgments...they are designators that reflect objective, real-world circumstances. Ignoring these circumstances will get you dead.

[Vasily Zaitsev]

It MUST be a satirical site:

The send an announcement for a crufew for whites to a Cincinnatti newspapaer, threatening to use absorbed UV light to cause skin cancer:

Ali, who trains blacks in a new science he developed that teaches them how they can use their ‘distinctive’ eumelanin to reradiate ultraviolet light and focus it on whites for the purpose of giving whites skin cancers (carcinomas, sarcomas and melanomas), visited Cincinnati to champion Webster and to institute a branch of his science here in the city.
http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/svengalimedia_curfew_for_white_people/

No way, this can be serious. No - way.

And this?
http://www.yacub7ali.org/
The The New Negro Sun Worship Movement? With head minister Amen Ra III.?

It's all either a strange comedy or inmates from local asylums.

I can't speak for Germany (you live in Germany, right?), but this sort of whackjob shit is pretty common among American blacks.

[Larrikin]

Can we keep count?
Because once it's blacks 5000, whites 12, I'm eager to hear Larrikin's next gambit.

No, I won't do the "who can google the most atrocious murder"-game with anyone here and then discussing if simply dragging to death behind a car can be counted or if the victim has to be raped first to get the "hideous points".
(What the hell is wrong with you, Praw?)

If you all choose to forget and ignore all atrocities members of your skin color ever committed, that's up to you. I won't. Not for ANY skin color.

Larrikin, you probably shouldn't be reading this thread, because you seem to be a decent guy, and hell, you're not even an American black; thus most of the American Nigger gestalt is likely alien to you. It's a shame the handful of good blacks have to stand in solidarity with the sewage...

I AM NOT standing in solidarity with black killers as I stated very clearly.
Nor am I standing in solidarity with white killers (because I'm 50% white) or with any other sickos of whatever origin, color or creed.

And of course it is not the millions of blacks that never commit a crime of violence in there hole life that define the black race, but the bunch of sick rapist crackheaded killers. Yes, obviously...

It's always the "one good nigger", is it? Of course all others are beasts, are they?

I'm sick of being always put in line with whatever scum might accidentally share my skin color. I'm as much white as I'm black, but there was never a black man who put me in line with a white sicko. Strange, isn't it?

but the alternative is for whites to put on a big grin and pretend what's happening isn't really happening at all out of a polite desire to not give offense. Far too many whites are already guilted into doing exactly that, but I absolutely fucking refuse.

You won't get opposition from me for calling a black killer what he is, pc against sadistic criminals is completly nuts and a black rights movement taking sides for such bastards should be kicked out of town by whites and blacks together. They are a danger to every decent human being, they would have killed me or any other black as easily as the poor white kids if I came across them wrong time.

I'm sorry, but it's too late for good table manners and playing let's pretend.

Who is pretending round here?
In the last few days I have been called half-human and worse, alleged with about every crime possible from white trash dickheads that know me but from a single post.
If this are your good table manners I'd certainly not like to eat with you, but I reckon that on goes vice versa, too.

[il ragno]

In the last few days I have been called half-human and worse, alleged with about every crime possible from white trash dickheads that know me but from a single post.

Yeah, i remember that post. It was the one that went

To bad whities have such short dicks, they can't keep their wives away from a 11-year-old kid. I pity you! :rofl:

You even spelled "too" like a dumb schwartzer!

Gosh...how could anybody get their back up over that? Must be neo-Nazi dementia.

[Larrikin]

Yeah, i remember that post. It was the one that went

Yeah, I thought there was someone around for a hearty joke after being myself amused by

Neo-G: "This woman should be shot and the boy who raped her should be hanged."
and
Jake F: "an 11-year old nigger could probably be persuaded to utilize a dead frog for banging".

but obviously the issue of penile measurements was too(!) emotionally sensitive... ;)

You even spelled "too" like a dumb schwartzer!

When we talk about spelling here, it is "Schwarzer" in German, no "t"... ;)

Gosh...how could anybody get their back up over that? Must be neo-Nazi dementia.
Quiet a lot of cases of THAT around...

Seriously, I don't mind exchanging funny insults and your comments or often quiet entertaining. :bitchfight:
But there's also a different kind here and we both know it...

[Empress Cheesatine]

This is being supressed and is not reported outside the local level. Discuss.

Nothing new. Im sure its been squashed at the local level as well, just like the nigger here who was arrested last year for murdering a white cop and attempting to murder a white nurse for being white.

[Jake Featherston]

How can you not hate niggers?

Harjit? Mr. Angry? Anyone?

Seriously. When you read that crap, you can just feel their Niggerosity coming through. Yeah, there are stupid, ignorant, evil, bigoted Whites out there, but they usually contain some vague shred of decency and/or connection to actual reality. Posts like the ones we read above can only be the product of fucking niggers, because no one else would think like that. No one else can achieve that sublime height of abject stupidity merged with callous cruelty. It is the hallmark of the nigger.

[Jake Featherston]

I hate niggers as much as the next Phorite, but is there any chance that is true? It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Gang bang gone out of control? Can copies of these alleged emails be produced?

Technically, it is possible that this is true, but if so, then why did it get out of control? Whites wouldn't torture to death a sexually willing woman. I think its pretty clear these niggers just made this shit up, and now believe it. Niggers are so stupid they find it easy to believe their own lies.

[Jake Featherston]

Funny how much alike WNs and Afrocentrist bastards sound.

That's a lie. There are plenty of WNs on this board, and none sound anything like that nigger drivel that was posted.

[Jake Featherston]

It MUST be a satirical site:

The send an announcement for a crufew for whites to a Cincinnatti newspapaer, threatening to use absorbed UV light to cause skin cancer:

Ali, who trains blacks in a new science he developed that teaches them how they can use their ‘distinctive’ eumelanin to reradiate ultraviolet light and focus it on whites for the purpose of giving whites skin cancers (carcinomas, sarcomas and melanomas), visited Cincinnati to champion Webster and to institute a branch of his science here in the city.
http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/svengalimedia_curfew_for_white_people/

No way, this can be serious. No - way.

And this?
http://www.yacub7ali.org/
The The New Negro Sun Worship Movement? With head minister Amen Ra III.?

It's all either a strange comedy or inmates from local asylums.

Niggers are capable of forming communities of people that are all stupid enough to believe shit like that. The other races are not.

[calvin]

It’s astonishing to see an intelligent poster trot out the old fallacy that members of every race are occasionally guilty of horrific crimes and therefore race cannot be a factor that determines horrific crime. It is not about the existence of horrific crime among all groups, it’s about the difference in the frequency of certain criminal acts between these groups.

Some fat people are good athletes so ten fat people are just as likely to make a good gymnastic team as ten slim muscular people. Is that a true statement?

Lower average intelligence, higher than average testosterone levels and indoctrinated resentment = more violent crime.

[Ahknaton]

It MUST be a satirical site:

The send an announcement for a crufew for whites to a Cincinnatti newspapaer, threatening to use absorbed UV light to cause skin cancer:

Ali, who trains blacks in a new science he developed that teaches them how they can use their ‘distinctive’ eumelanin to reradiate ultraviolet light and focus it on whites for the purpose of giving whites skin cancers (carcinomas, sarcomas and melanomas), visited Cincinnati to champion Webster and to institute a branch of his science here in the city.
http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/svengalimedia_curfew_for_white_people/

No way, this can be serious. No - way.

And this?
http://www.yacub7ali.org/
The The New Negro Sun Worship Movement? With head minister Amen Ra III.?

It's all either a strange comedy or inmates from local asylums.
That was my reaction as well. It's just a little bit too "stereotypical Blacktivist" to be true.

[Jake Featherston]

That was my reaction as well. It's just a little bit too "stereotypical Blacktivist" to be true.

Black belief systems often mirror White attempts to parody them.

[Helios Panoptes]

1) IMO, this svengalimedia site is a hoax. There are only 9 topics on the forum. The whole thing seems to exist for this particular case. Somebody's having a laugh or trying to make a point.
2) The interesting thing about this case is not so much that it confirms that blacks are capable of more heinous crimes than whites, but the media blackout that has been imposed upon it.

[Helios Panoptes]

Also, apparently the person behind svengalimedia is posting on other sites about this. If there really were multiple people, there would almost certainly be threads on the svengali board linking to the discussions on other sites, or at least there'd be some mention.

[ZOGsoldier]

That's a lie. There are plenty of WNs on this board, and none sound anything like that nigger drivel that was posted.

Heres one by Draco on a few Hispanic women who got raped in the US military:

Even by spic standards those women are fat and nasty looking. I highly doubt even the kindest white devil would throw them a mercy rape. They're clearly looking for a handout.

Now here’s the asshole black guy whose comment about the double murder Draco posted:

Like all white women, she evil and her evil not just in her head and heart, but in the ultimate physical manifistation of pure evil - the white slut body.

[Ahknaton]

Like all white women, she evil and her evil not just in her head and heart, but in the ultimate physical manifistation of pure evil - the white slut body.
This is interesting actually. I'd kind of assumed that most anti-White Black racists (I'm talking about the hardcore 5 %er Whitey-is-the-devil sort here, not the Al Sharpton opportunist type) hated the White male first and foremost as his biological rival and enemy, and had a kind of conflicted mixture of attraction and resentment towards the White woman. It hadn't occurred to me that White women would be the main object of their venom. Then again, perhaps this comment was written by a Black female.

[il ragno]

Bitch traded her boyfrenn fo' crack.

Wif da pravizo 'hurt him real bad'.

[harjit]

How can you not hate niggers?

Harjit? Mr. Angry? Anyone?
I hate the guy who wrote that comment. And, needless to say, the sick fucks who did the deed itself.

[Larrikin]

Seriously. When you read that crap, you can just feel their Niggerosity coming through. Yeah, there are stupid, ignorant, evil, bigoted Whites out there, but they usually contain some vague shred of decency and/or connection to actual reality. Posts like the ones we read above can only be the product of fucking niggers, because no one else would think like that. No one else can achieve that sublime height of abject stupidity merged with callous cruelty. It is the hallmark of the nigger.

Are you trying to be satiricial or are you seriously suggesting Keystone might be a black strawman?

The amount of cruelty, hatred and utter stupidity some white members openly show here makes their point of attributing this special characteristics mainly to the black race rather odd...

[Larrikin]

That's a lie. There are plenty of WNs on this board, and none sound anything like that nigger drivel that was posted.
Oh, I guess the one suggesting that the 11-year-old black boy who was molested by his teacher should be hanged for raping her must have been either a black strawman or incerdibly funny then, ey?

Or maybe you want to have have a look at the compassionate comments made by some esteemed WN here about the Africans clubbed to death and thrown overboard by smugglers?

And this is what Dr. Gutberlet had to say about an incident where 112 african refugees drowned while trying to escape Islamist clashes in Somalia:
"I feel bad because the water was polluted by african corpses."

Cosely followed by
"Those poor sharks..." from dear William Lyon.

And proudly closed by SlagMaster:
"Another Confirmation, that NIGger are natural sinkers and can't float, like
their genetic equivalent sewer stools."

All very fine white gentlemen, right?
I leave it to the crowd to judge the decency of the above comments about the death of innocent blacks. Thank you very much.

[delete]

Oh, I guess the one suggesting that the 11-year-old black boy who was molested by his teacher should be hanged for raping her must have been either a black strawman or incerdibly funny then, ey?

Or maybe you want to have have a look at the compassionate comments made by some esteemed WN here about the Africans clubbed to death and thrown overboard by smugglers?

And this is what Dr. Gutberlet had to say about an incident where 112 african refugees drowned while trying to escape Islamist clashes in Somalia:
"I feel bad because the water was polluted by african corpses."

Cosely followed by
"Those poor sharks..." from dear William Lyon.

And proudly closed by SlagMaster:
"Another Confirmation, that NIGger are natural sinkers and can't float, like
their genetic equivalent sewer stools."

All very fine white gentlemen, right?
I leave it to the crowd to judge the decency of the above comments about the death of innocent blacks. Thank you very much.

Do you say that those comments can compare to this?

She even made them bring one of they girlfriends into it as she wanted to have sex with a Strong Black Woman and be made to play the 'White Slut'. Our Brothers agreed out of fear and did everything they could think of to her (that she told them to do) including using her filthy body as she told them to and acts of torture that she demanded they do to her for her sexual fantcies that included killing her EXACTLY as she told them to until her death that SHE ASKED FOR and they were FORCED to do to her. Only a daughter of the devil himself would want to be ****ed and tortured to death! At the end of the agreed on 4-day gang bang, our Brothers were forced to hold her down and cut-off her breasts as a sacrifise to her dark demonic god, then immerse her in a tub of bleach (again, HER sexual fantasy) and remove her skin slowly as to make her climax harder and harder as she shoved her hands into her filthy hold again and again. The DEVILS DAUGHTER got what she deserved and now our Brothers and Sista got to pay the price. These white ******* is all the same don't matter if they young or older white sluts. It about time we started giving them the treatment they ALL truely deserve and ask for every day.

Is there anything that would constitute rational thought in that quote?

[Larrikin]

Is there anything that would constitute rational thought in that quote?

No, of course not, but these comments were not posted by people on the Phora and there are much sicker forums thn this one.
I'm not searching for any excuses for the above revolting and inhuman comments - as I said earlier, anyone calling these sick bastards heroes should share their fate.

But comparing drowned black men, women and children to sewage stool doesn't really show a natural moral superiority of the white races, but a rather distorted mind, if you ask me.
And no one of the esteemed crowd here had any objections to that, so could anyone please just shut up judging a hole race by some retards' anonymous comments in forums and blogs.

[Warka]

please just shut up judging a hole race by some retards' anonymous comments in forums and blogs.

Very well then. But tell us, by what would you have us judge the whole black race?

[Ixtab]

Blacks calling for the murder of whites
http://youtube.com/watch?v=molI3Tvlym4

[Warka]

Blacks calling for the murder of whites
http://youtube.com/watch?v=molI3Tvlym4

That audience is full of supposed harmless hatted senior citizen church mammies hootin' and hollerin' about digging up the graves of White people and engaging in necrocannibalism, necrophilia, etc.

Let me guess- White people produced this video and it's fake, too, right?

[Larrikin]

Very well then. But tell us, by what would you have us judge the whole black race?
I would not judge any race as a whole for a start...

By what would you judge the white race as a whole?

[Warka]

I would not judge any race as a whole for a start...

By what would you judge the white race as a whole?

Don't answer the question with a question. By judging I mean discerning, classifying, identifying, recognizing, distinguishing. Basic scientific method stuff.

So, again, I ask you: how would you have us judge the black race? By what means?

[Larrikin]

Don't answer the question with a question.



By judging I mean discerning, classifying, identifying, recognizing, distinguishing. Basic scientific method stuff.

You want to hear about science? All right.

It is a bit difficult here, since there is not even scientific agreement what is a 'race' and if it is a valid biological category, a phenotypic result of geography or merely a social construct, this is subject of lenghty discussions for decades.

Bur genetics can tell us quite a lot.
The genetic variances within the population of Africa is bigger than the variance within all other geographically defined populations and statistically about as big as between the 'average African' and members of another geographical origin.

Means: a random black African can be genetically more alike to, say, a random white Norwegian, than to another random black African (though the chance of genetic resemblance is higher the closer the geographical origin of the individuals).

There a lot of factors still very poorly understood, but one thing is for sure:
There is no such thing as "the" black race, nor is there "the" white race.

And even within certain genotype and phenotypes the individual genetic variances are enormous, so that no individual behaviour can be estimated from this and above all genetics.

For all this reasons there is no scientific sense at all to say something utterly stupid like "blacks" are like this and "whites" are like that.

It might well be that certain genotypes that also share the physiognomical characteric of dark skin are found to have a disposition to hightened agression, as well as it might be that a certain genotype of "white" appearance might prove to have a higher rate of shizophrenia.
But draw the conclusion "all blacks are killers" or "all whites are luntics" would be completely hilarious.

But human society does not consist of objective science only, but of emotional individuals and groups. Therefore, the most common classification of race in everyday life is by (obvious) variation of skin color and I reckon that's what we talk about here. I am, for example constantly regarded as 'black' though I am really as much white as I am black due to my ancestry -but it doesn't show in skin color...

So, again, I ask you: how would you have us judge the black race? By what means?
I would have you to judge every individuals by its behaviour.

[Warka]

There is no such thing as "the" black race, nor is there "the" white race.

If race doesn't exist and humans are only to be viewed as individuals why do you classify yourself as Afro-caucasian in your profile? Outside of the construct of race what does Afro-caucasian mean? Why have you posted, more than once, about how you're "half White", "50% black", etc. if none of that means anything or even exists?

[delete]

The genetic variances within the population of Africa is bigger than the variance within all other geographically defined populations and statistically about as big as between the 'average African' and members of another geographical origin.

This means that they share fewer genes, translating into a greater genetical payoff for anti-social behaviour towards both your own ingroup and family.


Means: a random black African can be genetically more alike to, say, a random white Norwegian, than to another random black African (though the chance of genetic resemblance is higher the closer the geographical origin of the individuals).

This is only in a few selected traits, is it not?

[Ixtab]

Lewtonin's fallacy (http://www.goodrumj.com/Edwards.pdf)

[Larrikin]

If race doesn't exist and humans are only to be viewed as individuals why do you classify yourself as Afro-caucasian in your profile? Outside of the construct of race what does Afro-caucasian mean? Why have you posted, more than once, about how you're "half White", "50% black", etc. if none of that means anything or even exists?
Because, as I told you, "black"and "white" might not be distinctive uniform races in a genetic sense, but of course are cultural and social phenomena that of course have huge impact on a person.

By telling about the geographic origin of my ancestors in terms that are currently used and understandable to most people and my actual place of living I provide information about me that are maybe interesting or helpful for the understanding of what I have to say.

[Warka]

Because, as I told you, "black"and "white" might not be distinctive uniform races in a genetic sense, but of course are cultural and social phenomena that of course have huge impact on a person.

By telling about the geographic origin of my ancestors in terms that are currently used and understandable to most people and my actual place of living I provide information about me that are maybe interesting or helpful for the understanding of what I have to say.

So, in other words, you don't believe in racial classification but you play along because everyone else believes in it. Gotcha.

[humphreyoconner]

Black Jew Sun Worshippers say Black (reactionary) hate is not evil like White hate http://www.yacub7ali.org/reactionary_hate_not_same_as_core_hate.html

[Jake Featherston]

Heres one by Draco on a few Hispanic women who got raped in the US military...Now here’s the asshole black guy whose comment about the double murder Draco posted:

The salient difference of course being that we know Channon Christian and her boyfriend were gang raped and tortured to death. We don't know these Latin women are even telling the truth (although most probably are). And while they may have been raped, they certainly were not tortured and murdered. Hence the matter is not naturally regarded as being at quite the same level of seriousness.

[Jake Featherston]

This is interesting actually. I'd kind of assumed that most anti-White Black racists (I'm talking about the hardcore 5 %er Whitey-is-the-devil sort here, not the Al Sharpton opportunist type) hated the White male first and foremost as his biological rival and enemy, and had a kind of conflicted mixture of attraction and resentment towards the White woman.

It varies; the really hard-core types do tend to lean towards the notion that White women are she-devil temptresses out to sap the Strong Black Men (have they ever admitted to the existence of any other variety?) of his precious bodily fluids.

[Jake Featherston]

Bitch traded her boyfrenn fo' crack.

Wif da pravizo 'hurt him real bad'.

I love how the author is cluelessly incognizant of the simple fact that half-way decent people do not pay crack for an opportunity to sodomize, torture, and murder a young man.

[Jake Featherston]

Oh, I guess the one suggesting that the 11-year-old black boy who was molested by his teacher should be hanged for raping her must have been either a black strawman or incerdibly funny then, ey?

That was Ixabert; he's insane, or at least he plays a lunatic on the Internet. No one here, nor any ideological faction what-so-ever, bears any responsibility for the ravings of Ixabert.

[MrAngry]

How can you not hate niggers?

Harjit? Mr. Angry? Anyone?


Atrocities are perpetrated by all ethnic groups and are all equally abhorent. What amazes me about all you hypocritcal racist f**k wits is that you pick out ethnic crimes like this one, whilst making light of any white driven crime of equal depravity. To the point of dismissing and even making fun of kids dieing in a blaze. Many of you have double standards with a chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon between them.

The people involved ion this crime are sick and deserve to be punished probably beyond what is limited to the judicial system currently, the guy who wrote the blog should also be charged with hate crimes, I just fail to se the point of this post? Impying that all black people are in some way linked to this type of behavior?

Some of you need tp grow up...

[MrAngry]

I want to hear from the color-blind crowd on their justification for this (the crime and the cover up).


Justification! Like we would justify this in the way you would if they were white you sick f**k.

[MrAngry]

Other than Larrikans surprisingly civil and sane post I am still dismayed by the lack of the color blind crowd.


The lack is due to the fact that this site is becoming a true racist site that is totally biased, I have posted in the past about the fact that non racists discontinue posting here because idiots post offensive crap without sanction....

[Jake Featherston]

JustLike we would justify this in the way you would if they were white you sick f**k.

Or so people like you derive much of their self-worth from believing. The very idea we would support White thugs going about raping and torturing to death random Blacks is patently ludicrous. But as long as you get to feel morally superior, the truth is of little consequence. So little its unlikely you'd recognize it any longer.

[MrAngry]

In Scotland fifteen year old Kris Donald was tortured to death by a gang of Pakistanis who openly admitted that they had no other reason than racism for their crime. This crime didn’t make the national news and is virtually unknown outside the city in which it took place despite the fact that it was the first ever racist murder of a child and the worst racist murder in UK history. Crimes regularly go unreported in the mainstream media for no other reason than that the perpetrators are non-White and the victims are White. This is just a fact.

The fact is this crime is on the race relations website listed as a race crime, this was reported within the city and throughout Scotland. I do wonder why it wasnt reported nationally, as this was a young child of 15 years old.

[calvin]

Means: a random black African can be genetically more alike to, say, a random white Norwegian, than to another random black African

Ahh! The dogmatic litany of egalitarian pseudo-science; the problem for the egalitarians is that the differences between different Black people are random and the differences between Black people and White people are specific, that would be why White people and Black people are different colours, duhh!. The fact that there is a wide distribution of intelligence among Blacks doesn’t make it untrue that there is a consistent group difference in intelligence between Blacks as a group and Whites as a group does it?

[MrAngry]

Or so people like you derive much of their self-worth from believing. The very idea we would support White thugs going about raping and torturing to death random Blacks is patently ludicrous. But as long as you get to feel morally superior, the truth is of little consequence. So little its unlikely you'd recognize it any longer.


Moral superiority doesn't come into it, a crime is a crime, regardless of colour, you forget the larger part of my heritage is white. Don't be confused into beleiving that because I am not a racist and that I don't have a race preference that I am anti white. That is a lie perpetuated by racists to justify being anti colour....

The idea you would support white thugs is well documented on the Phora by some of the less savoury characters on here and at best treated with feigned disinterest by others.

Even you Jake have talked openly about genocide being justified even for women and children, so it there is a scale of moral justification I doubt you would register much of a flicker...

[Jake Featherston]

Even you Jake have talked openly about genocide being justified even for women and children, so it there is a scale of moral justification I doubt you would register much of a flicker...

Yeah, well, I have emotions, and sometimes I say half-cocked shit. That doesn't mean I agree with said remarks in perpetuity. For the record, I don't support genocide for any other group, but the way things are going, I'm sure I'll get angry enough to say that I do at least several more times into the future....

[calvin]

The fact is this crime is on the race relations website listed as a race crime, this was reported within the city and throughout Scotland. I do wonder why it wasnt reported nationally, as this was a young child of 15 years old

Consider this Sir, the last report issued by the Home Office indicated that two thirds of racist crimes in the UK were committed by ethnic minorities, then consider the murder of computer worker Christopher Yates; Chris Yates was kicked to death by three Asians when he intervened in what he thought was a dispute between the three men. The Asians walked away bragging that, “We have killed the White man, that will teach the Englishman not to mess in Paki business”. By any normal standard the murder of Chris Yates would be deemed to have been at least a racially aggravated crime (“We have killed the Black man that will teach the African not to mess in White man’s business).

The HO statistics indicate that White people are the major victims of racism in the UK, and the Chris Yates case shows that the HO statistics do not include crimes that would clearly be considered racist by any consistent measure of racism. You have to ask yourself Mr A, what exactly is the real extent of racist crime against Whites in the UK and why does the public have the false perception that racism is a White problem?

[MrAngry]

Yeah, well, I have emotions, and sometimes I say half-cocked shit. That doesn't mean I agree with said remarks in perpetuity. For the record, I don't support genocide for any other group, but the way things are going, I'm sure I'll get angry enough to say that I do at least several more times into the future....


If you are suggesting that you do not actually believe that genocide is justifiable then fair enough. But anyone reading those comments would find them offensive...

[il ragno]

The problem is that far too many whites will read newspaper accounts such as these we've been discussing - Christian, Yates, etc - and NOT find them offensive and infuriating. Not for longer than an initial hot-flash of rage, before the conditioning takes over and the anger is replaced by either the egalitarian excuse-making we make to reinforce an illusory sense of virtuous superiority, or the "better-them-than-me" gallows pragmatism born of the same fear that the four locks, deadbolt and silent alarm on your front door are testimony to.

[MrAngry]

Consider this Sir, the last report issued by the Home Office indicated that two thirds of racist crimes in the UK were committed by ethnic minorities, then consider the murder of computer worker Christopher Yates; Chris Yates was kicked to death by three Asians when he intervened in what he thought was a dispute between the three men. The Asians walked away bragging that, “We have killed the White man, that will teach the Englishman not to mess in Paki business”. By any normal standard the murder of Chris Yates would be deemed to have been at least a racially aggravated crime (“We have killed the Black man that will teach the African not to mess in White man’s business).

The HO statistics indicate that White people are the major victims of racism in the UK, and the Chris Yates case shows that the HO statistics do not include crimes that would clearly be considered racist by any consistent measure of racism. You have to ask yourself Mr A, what exactly is the real extent of racist crime against Whites in the UK and why does the public have the false perception that racism is a White problem?

I think race as a reason is all too easily used in the UK, when in fact it is nothing more than what it is, a crime. I don't want to get drawn into finding crimes that trump other crimes. I only need to say that even I get sick to the back teeth that some minorities use race as a shield to hide behind and a club to beat the system. This just plays into the hands of the racist scum.

[il ragno]

I don't want to get drawn into finding crimes that trump other crimes. I only need to say that even I get sick to the back teeth that some minorities use race as a shield to hide behind and a club to beat the system. This just plays into the hands of the racist scum.

"What I resent is that rapists and murderers who use race as a reason to sever penises off their still-living victims of opportunity, and then gangrape the females for days on end before selling her for crack to other beasts, who dismember her when they're all fucked out and through with her, only play into the hands of the Truly Irredeemable Scum - whites whose opinions offend me no end."

You are truly a fucking-capital-A asshole....Mr "A".

[Thomas777]

The problem is that far too many whites will read newspaper accounts such as these we've been discussing - Christian, Yates, etc - and NOT find them offensive and infuriating. Not for longer than an initial hot-flash of rage, before the conditioning takes over and the anger is replaced by either the egalitarian excuse-making we make to reinforce an illusory sense of virtuous superiority, or the "better-them-than-me" gallows pragmatism born of the same fear that the four locks, deadbolt and silent alarm on your front door are testimony to.

Righteous indignation is justified and cathartic in these sorts of cases, but I would prefer if White people would just simply acknowledge that elements of the Black underclass have adopted a war-footing against any and all civilized populations and act accordingly without strong emotion.

I am not somebody who indulges in pop-psychological speculation, but it has become increasingly clear to me (as I have noted before) that bourgoisie elements adopt 'White guilt' and egalitarianism as a sort of edificiatory defense mechanism: In other words, it is too unpleasant for many people to concieve of the fact that their (otherwise) comfortable existance can be marred by violent, enduring dynamics of racial enmity.

The case in point of Reginald Denny blubbering and professing 'love' for men who bashed his head repeatedly with bricks and bats is not borne of some sort of Christ-like commitment to unconditional love for the fallen (yet indominable) human 'spirit', rather, it is borne of a visceral and childlike fear of violence and war that attends overcivilization.

I don't have any illusions about how incredibly dangerous many of the denizens of this country are...what I do on account of these facts is maintain a vigilant (though not paranoid) disposition...and remain physically and psychologically armed.

[MrAngry]

"What I resent is that rapists and murderers who use race as a reason to sever penises off their still-living victims of opportunity, and then gangrape the females for days on end before selling her for crack to other beasts, who dismember her when they're all fucked out and through with her, only play into the hands of the Truly Irredeemable Scum - whites whose opinions offend me no end."

You are truly a fucking-capital-A asshole....Mr "A".

What are you blathering on about? I haven't in any way tried to justify, decriminalise or blame any race for anypart of this. Either be specific with your accusation or shut the f**k up.

[calvin]

I don't want to get drawn into finding crimes that trump other crimes.

Fair enough, but I’m not asking you to do that. I’m giving you evidence (that you may dispute) that White people are the major victims of racist crimes in the UK and asking you why it is that the government and media continue to promote the concept that racist crime is something that is inflicted on Blacks and Asians and is perpetrated by Whites? Doesn’t it concern you that you are being systematically misinformed?

[MrAngry]

Fair enough, but I’m not asking you to do that. I’m giving you evidence (that you may dispute) that White people are the major victims of racist crimes in the UK and asking you why it is that the government and media continue to promote the concept that racist crime is something that is inflicted on Blacks and Asians and is perpetrated by Whites? Doesn’t it concern you that you are being systematically misinformed?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6128466.stm

I hadn't considered this before, I suppose to a degree that when race crime is mentioned it is usually presumed to be a white on non white crime. Statistics will be sketchy regarding the number of non white to white race crimes. The link provides a suggestion that the media has picked up on this and perhaps that perception will, and should change. I do feel however that white to non white race crime figures are exagerated, usually violence is nothing more than violence regardless of colour.

[Thomas777]

usually violence is nothing more than violence regardless of colour.

That is insufficient. Violence always has an impetus...and it its legitimacy is purely contextual. For example, a man beating his wife, a murder incident to an forcible robbery, and a soldier killing an armed, uniformed enemy do not represent the same phenomenon. Its intellectually dishonest to address diverse behaviors under a generalized, nebulous definition.

[calvin]

The problem is that far too many whites will read newspaper accounts such as these we've been discussing - Christian, Yates, etc - and NOT find them offensive and infuriating. Not for longer than an initial hot-flash of rage, before the conditioning takes over and the anger is replaced by either the egalitarian excuse-making we make to reinforce an illusory sense of virtuous superiority, or the "better-them-than-me" gallows pragmatism born of the same fear that the four locks, deadbolt and silent alarm on your front door are testimony to

I think that Thomas777’s post partially explains the reasons for this but it is also true that these crimes do not register on the social reality grid, because the minority of people in our society who construct the social reality grid refuse to attribute coordinates for these phenomena. These crimes fall out of public consciousness because they are never accorded an acknowledged and specific cultural significance.

In the great liberal information-clearing house racist crimes against Blacks have a specific file that cross-references to colonialism, slavery, segregation and civil rights which is in turn supplemented by a vast body of popular cultural reinforcement (Roots, Amistad, etc., etc,). Information about racist crimes against Whites is simply throw into a box of anomalous information that has to be tediously searched and sorted in order to discern a clear but hidden pattern.

[Jake Featherston]

But anyone reading those comments would find them offensive...

Big deal. I find almost everything in the mainstream media offensive, but no one gives a shit about my sensibilities. Ones similar to yours, however, are much tended to.

[il ragno]

What are you blathering on about? I haven't in any way tried to justify, decriminalise or blame any race for anypart of this. Either be specific with your accusation or shut the f**k up.

Look at your own comment, Mr Sniveling.

"Some minorities use race as a shield to hide behind and a club to beat the system. This just plays into the hands of the racist scum."

It's right there as clear as an unmuddied lake, Fred. Black and brown violence is wrong because, although justified, it empowers the real enemy: white racists.

I no longer wish to degrade myself responding to your completely disingenuous "challenges" and "arguments". If you wish to sucker people into circle-jerk conversations by gainsaying yourself every five minutes, I wish you'd do it elsewhere. Piss off.

[calvin]

Interesting article Mr A, the new analysis of racism seems to be that crimes that are being given a racial significance are in reality more about deprivation, suspicion and competition over resources. If you are honest you would have to admit that these were the self-same motivations that have impelled, so-called, “White racism”. The cliché that immigrants come over here and steal our jobs and shag our women, however vulgar its form may be, expressed a concern about employment and genetic extinction; it is not an expression of overt hatred based on skin colour. I think that this has always been the case, but because the economic concerns of the working-classes have been seen as obstructive to the economic ambitions of the neo-bourgeois, and because no class or group of people want to be seen as acting from selfish and greedy motives, the working-classes were dismissed as racist, thus grew the myth of White racism.

The fact that behaviour that was deemed to be racist when White people could be portrayed as the sole perpetrators, is deemed to be mainly a socio-economic problem now that Black and Asian people are distinguishing themselves in this field, makes me very angry! Don’t I have a right to be angry about this and do the shifting standards of the liberal elite not invalidate any claim they have to credibility?

[il ragno]

Righteous indignation is justified and cathartic in these sorts of cases, but I would prefer if White people would just simply acknowledge that elements of the Black underclass have adopted a war-footing against any and all civilized populations and act accordingly without strong emotion.

Agreed. Unfortunately, you can't get there from here.


The case in point of Reginald Denny blubbering and professing 'love' for men who bashed his head repeatedly with bricks and bats is not borne of some sort of Christ-like commitment to unconditional love for the fallen (yet indominable) human 'spirit', rather, it is borne of a visceral and childlike fear of violence and war that attends overcivilization.

You know I love ya, Tom, but I couldn't disagree more. Our society fetishizes violence, and embraces war as a legitimate relacement for diplomacy, in part because these are approved outlets for the frustration of being rendered helpless to put our own house in order. And we can't because we've been made hostages to Jewish domination of the judiciary and the legal profession.

America can in no way credibly claim to be suffering from overcivilization. And if you'll notice, the faster the European nations orbiting around us adopt our Tupac-quoting, tattoo-and-nose-ring sporting, prove you're no racist by committing racial suicide "culture", the faster they become uninhabitable shells of their former selves.


I don't have any illusions about how incredibly dangerous many of the denizens of this country are...what I do on account of these facts is maintain a vigilant (though not paranoid) disposition...and remain physically and psychologically armed.

That's still no replacement for a caste system that defends white civilization while allowing for upward mobility/escape from the lower depths through merit and adherence to white civilized values. Hey....as a periodic steroid abuser who's gone on record as steeling himself for The Easy Way Out when and if old age, infirmity and/or a debilitating stroke impairs your ability to fight your way out of a corner, you of all people should realize individual vigilance just short of paranoia is the ultimate societal band-aid on cancer.

[Thomas777]

Agreed. Unfortunately, you can't get there from here.
Yockey very eloquently pointed out that emotionalist 'racism' is counterproductive...(sorry to be repetitive) as 'friend' and 'enemy' merely reflect objective valuations of present circumstances. In essence, the Black underclass is the Enemy...hating Blacks won't augment White defensive standing, it just obfusicates the issue. That is the point that I was making.

When these issues come up IRL, I point out to people that civilization is preferable to savagery and that embracing oblivion at the hands of slave descendants is ludicrous...whether I find Blacks and their 'culture' to be distasteful is niether here nor there. People need to acclimate themselves to the notion that racial aggression must be dealt with with extreme severity and prejudice...they need to eschew moral valuations altogether, just as combatants at war needn't waste time fearing, loathing, and hating the enemy.




You know I love ya, Tom, but I couldn't disagree more. Our society fetishizes violence, and embraces war as a legitimate relacement for diplomacy, in part because these are approved outlets for the frustration of being rendered helpless to put our own house in order.
These 'approved outlets' are remote to the bourgoisie. They are pool footage of smart bombs or Hollywood movies. Middle class Whites are, by and large, afraid to fight to save their own ass. They are feminized and afraid of personalized violence. The fact that they are willing to support the mass killings of human targets overseas has no bearing on their own fortitude and their own willingness to resist savagery with equal and opposing force.


America can in no way credibly claim to be suffering from overcivilization. And if you'll notice, the faster the European nations orbiting around us adopt our Tupac-quoting, tattoo-and-nose-ring, prove you're no racist by committing racial suicide "culture", the faster they become uninhabitable shells of their former selves.
Its more complicated than that. The West is vice-ridden, decadent, and in a state of cultural decline...your examples are a testament to that. However, the West is also feminized and its people are unwilling to embrace remedial violence in order to protect themselves. The fact that people flock to theaters to watch tripe like '300' and glorify dusky-skinned thugs does not mean that they have not become essentially cowardly and effeminate.

We are dealing with a lack of shared premises here: When I say 'overcivilization' I am talking about pevasive cowardice and the inability to employ defensive violence in a self-help capacity...I am not speaking of the cultural zeitgesit generally.




That's still no replacement for a caste system that defends white civilization while allowing for upward mobility/escape from the lower depths through merit and adherence to white civilized values.
Agreed.
Hey....as a periodic steroid abuser who's gone on record as steeling himself for The Easy Way Out when and if old age, infirmity and/or a debilitating stroke impairs your ability to fight your way out of a corner, you of all people should realize individual vigilance just short of paranoia is the ultimate societal band-aid on cancer.
Perhaps, but I have resigned myself to the fact that my kinsmen are not going to become enlightened until circumstances become very, very grave. As it stands, its incumbant to cultivate a hardness of body and 'spirit' in order to effectively navigate this dystopian landscape. The Enemy is ready for war...if I didn't adopt a war footing as well, I would be at a positive disadvantage.

[il ragno]

As it stands, its incumbant to cultivate a hardness of body and 'spirit' in order to effectively navigate this dystopian landscape.

The bushido code, in other words. For the West to survive, it must adopt Eastern ethos.

Man, that's a long shot - considering that first wave of adherents would almost certainly be martyred for their cause in very short order. And martyrs not named "Jesus Christ" tend to have a very short shelf-life around these parts. Waco didn't much light anyone's patriotic fuse except Tim McVeigh's...who had hardness of body and 'spirit' to spare, and still ended up getting a lot of innocents killed, and the screws tightened on the rest of us.

[MrAngry]

Look at your own comment, Mr Sniveling.

"Some minorities use race as a shield to hide behind and a club to beat the system. This just plays into the hands of the racist scum."

It's right there as clear as an unmuddied lake, Fred. Black and brown violence is wrong because, although justified, it empowers the real enemy: white racists.

I no longer wish to degrade myself responding to your completely disingenuous "challenges" and "arguments". If you wish to sucker people into circle-jerk conversations by gainsaying yourself every five minutes, I wish you'd do it elsewhere. Piss off.

If you wish to construe comments around your own twisted and warped values the do it elsewhere, if it's the term racist scum that offends you tough.

I have never stated that non white violence is justified. I am saying that racist scum like you capitalise on this, and that is what is wrong.

If you can't stand to have your repugnant and sick ideals and values piqued and challenged then kiss my arse.

Have a shit day.....

[Larrikin]

That was Ixabert; he's insane, or at least he plays a lunatic on the Internet. No one here, nor any ideological faction what-so-ever, bears any responsibility for the ravings of Ixabert.
So why then do you assume that blacks bear responsibility for the obviously insane anonymoous comments made about the murderers on the Internet?

If you judge by this standards, you have to live with being judged in the same way.

[MrAngry]

Interesting article Mr A, the new analysis of racism seems to be that crimes that are being given a racial significance are in reality more about deprivation, suspicion and competition over resources.

Generally yes, I agree, I would say that race crime does exsist, not to the extent that is often portrayed. Much is driven by self interest groups such as the commision for race relations, who need an excuse to exsists however, do more harm than good IMO.



If you are honest you would have to admit that these were the self-same motivations that have impelled, so-called, “White racism”. ?

To a point yes, although you would have to agree that race violence is a reality too, both ways.


The cliché that immigrants come over here and steal our jobs and shag our women, however vulgar its form may be, expressed a concern about employment and genetic extinction; it is not an expression of overt hatred based on skin colour.

No, the prevailing opinion is that people are welcome if thereis a need and they assimiliate into general society. The issues arise when an opposing culture is introduced and is pandered too for fear of ofending a minority of people.


The fact that behaviour that was deemed to be racist when White people could be portrayed as the sole perpetrators, is deemed to be mainly a socio-economic problem now that Black and Asian people are distinguishing themselves in this field, makes me very angry!

Not all what is deemed to be racist (white) behaviour is actually racist behaviour, we are told it is by others who are not really well intentioned but are self interested.


Don’t I have a right to be angry about this and do the shifting standards of the liberal elite not invalidate any claim they have to credibility?

This depends on the level of your anger and the course of action you would support. But on the surface of it, you would have a right to be angry.

[il ragno]

So why then do you assume that blacks bear responsibility for the obviously insane anonymoous comments made about the murderers on the Internet?

Because despite his 78 sockpuppet IDs, there's only one Ixabert. Thank the Lord.

Whereas there are hundreds of thousands of blacks who think white victims of black crime demanded they be raped/murdered as brutally as possible, and pressured their murderers into doing so.

[MrAngry]

Because despite his 78 sockpuppet IDs, there's only one Ixabert. Thank the Lord.

Whereas there are hubndreds of thousands of blacks who think white victims of black crime demanded they be raped and murdered as brutally as possible, and pressured their murderers into doing so.


fact (source) or your own simple opinion? :mad:

[Larrikin]

Ahh! The dogmatic litany of egalitarian pseudo-science; the problem for the egalitarians is that the differences between different Black people are random and the differences between Black people and White people are specific, that would be why White people and Black people are different colours, duhh!.

And what I tried to bring across to you is that no such thing as "the" white people or "the" black people. Of course, there are dark and pale skin colors, no one needs genetics to figure THAT out.
But what is generally regarded as "black" or "white" is not one single groups but a VERY high number of small groups, there a thousands of types of "black" and "white".

Humans differ in about 1 out of 1000 nucleotids. It is today believed that about 10 million nucleotid polymorphisms make up the genetic variabilty of the whole human race. This SNP can be clustered into groups that identify certain populations, no doubt and some of this clusters can be assigned to roughly continental scales, but those are rather big clusters containing in itself millions of different SNP, grouping in geographical clines.

Means: what is generally regarded as "the black race" in public opinion is indeed a collective of a very many, very different clines that share the characteristic of a dark skin in thousand of shades. Same with the "white race" that also has a lot of shades.

By using the skin color feature you can indeed identify the bigger genetic population cluster (the 5 major races) a person belongs to. This means the pool of possible SNPs is somewhat distinct. This means NOT that all people within a identified SNP-pool share the same characterics on every level so as to classify them as a homogeneous group with purely consistent attributes.


The fact that there is a wide distribution of intelligence among Blacks doesn’t make it untrue that there is a consistent group difference in intelligence between Blacks as a group and Whites as a group does it?
If you are referring to The Bell Curve, this was about american Blacks only and the authors interpretation of data has rejected by the American Psychological Association's Board of Scientific Affairs and thorouhgly critized for statistically mishandling by James Heckman who holds an Noble Pice for his work on selection-bias and self-selection analysis.

If you are referring to IQ and the Wealth of Nations that tries to estimate world-wide IQs -this book was not even peer-reviewed (talking about pseudo-science) and contains for example a rather crucial factor, the Flynn effect, that is used to adjust data. But the mechanisms of the Flynn effect are not understood in itself.

The data from developing countries is very poor, in many cases there were only a couple of hundred IQ-test extrapolated to fit the whole population, sometimes IQ estimates derived this way were randomly changed, because the 'scientists' did not believe them to be right. In more than half of all countries (104 of 189), there was no data available at all, results were estimated from neighbouring countries, sometimes even from countries not even remotely near.

But even if you want to cinsider the data valid, what is very doubtful, it is also highly speculative to deduce a racial/genetic IQ-factor from this, because the social, culturals and educational differences between the countries, that are obvious, are not accounted for in the study.
The Flynn effect Vanhanen and Lynn use in their study in fact contradicts a genetic interpretation, because its estimated growth of IQ-levels is far faster than any genetic modification could occur.

[Larrikin]

Because despite his 78 sockpuppet IDs, there's only one Ixabert. Thank the Lord.

Whereas there are hundreds of thousands of blacks who think white victims of black crime demanded they be raped/murdered as brutally as possible, and pressured their murderers into doing so.
What makes you think that Ix is unique? Considering the comments about the drowning black refugees (no one adresses that here, is it to inconvenient?), I can not see this.
And what makes you think that a substantial number of blacks agrees to the disgustig view you present?
I can't see any serious black group rallying support for the perpetrators, only some anonymous internet nutters.

[Ixtab]

And what I tried to bring across to you is that no such thing as "the" white people or "the" black people.Yes there is. You just repeated an old argument from the 1970s that has been thoroughly debunked by geneticists. Geneticists can feed genetic distance measures into a statistical procudeure called "Principal Componant Analysis". This divides human populations into a number of 'principlan components', or genetically similar clusters. These clusters correspond exactly to the 'races' used traditionally by physical anthropologists: Caucasoids, Negroids, Amerindians, East Asians, Australoids, etc. Races have been defined in terms of these genetic clusterings.

But what is generally regarded as "black" or "white" is not one single groups but a VERY high number of small groups, there a thousands of types of "black" and "white".The existence of sub-groups within a larger group doesn't prove that the latter is taxonomically invalid. Don't be absurd.

Means: what is generally regarded as "the black race" in public opinion is indeed a collective of a very many, very different clines that share the characteristic of a dark skin in thousand of shades. Same with the "white race" that also has a lot of shades.By definition, racial groups lack absolute boundaries, because races are not separate species, but subspecies, which interbreed, so that their traits blend, which traits, however, on the average, distinguish one racial group from another. This isn't equivalent to saying that this or that race is a social construct, as the criteria used for each racial category are biological, genetic. The fact is that various human groups differ genetically; and whether you wish to call them subspecies, population clusters, races, varieties, types, or whatever, is of semantic, not scientific, importance.

By using the skin color feature you can indeed identify the bigger genetic population cluster (the 5 major races) a person belongs to. This means the pool of possible SNPs is somewhat distinct. This means NOT that all people within a identified SNP-pool share the same characterics on every level so as to classify them as a homogeneous group with purely consistent attributes.No, but the traits are inter-correlated. Obviously considering only a single trait (skin pigmentation), but not a congeries of traits, as well as a common geographic locale, would be unscientific. The concept of race, however, is based on a congeries of intercorrelated traits.

If you are referring to The Bell Curve,He need not. Jensen has covered race differences in intelligence far more thoroughly than Charles Murray. As Frank Miele has pointed out, Jensenism (the thesis of which is that the black-white IQ gap is partly genetic) is mainstream in the pertinent scientific fields, behavior genetics and psychometrics. He cites a survey of the members of the Behvaiour Genetics Association and the Test and Measurement Division of the APA (Division 5), as well as a certain statement in the Wall Street Journal signed by 50 experts in the behavioural scientists. Almost all of Jensen's 400 publications have appeared in the most prostigious peer-reviewed journals in the fields - journals such as Intelligence, Behaviour Genetics, Personality and Individual Differences, The Psychology Bulletin, and Behavior and Brain Sciences. They have also appeared in The Encylopedia of Psychology and The Encylopedia of Intelligence.

This public statement was signed by 52 internationally known scholars following several rather heated and negative responses to Herrnstein & Murray's The Bell Curve. It was first published in The Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, December 13, 1994 [and subsequently published in the journal Intelligence].

Richard D. Arvey, University of Minnesota
Thomas J. Bouchard, Jr., University of Minnesota
John B. Carroll, Un. of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Raymond B. Cattell, University of Hawaii
David B. Cohen, University of Texas at Austin
Rene V. Dawis, University of Minnesota
Douglas K. Detterman, Case Western Reserve Un.
Marvin Dunnette, University of Minnesota
Hans Eysenck, University of London
Jack Feldman, Georgia Institute of Technology
Edwin A. Fleishman, George Mason University
Grover C. Gilmore, Case Western Reserve University
Robert A. Gordon, Johns Hopkins University
Linda S. Gottfredson, University of Delaware
Robert L. Greene, Case Western Reserve University
Richard J.Haier, University of Callifornia at Irvine
Garrett Hardin, University of California at Berkeley
Robert Hogan, University of Tulsa
Joseph M. Horn, University of Texas at Austin
Lloyd G. Humphreys, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
John E. Hunter, Michigan State University
Seymour W. Itzkoff, Smith College
Douglas N. Jackson, Un. of Western Ontario
James J. Jenkins, University of South Florida
Arthur R. Jensen, University of California at Berkeley
Alan S. Kaufman, University of Alabama
Nadeen L. Kaufman, California School of Professional Psychology at San Diego
Timothy Z. Keith, Alfred University
Nadine Lambert, University of California at Berkeley
John C. Loehlin, University of Texas at Austin
David Lubinski, Iowa State University
David T. Lykken, University of Minnesota
Richard Lynn, University of Ulster at Coleraine
Paul E. Meehl, University of Minnesota
R. Travis Osborne, University of Georgia
Robert Perloff, University of Pittsburgh
Robert Plomin, Institute of Psychiatry, London
Cecil R. Reynolds, Texas A & M University
David C. Rowe, University of Arizona
J. Philippe Rushton, Un. of Western Ontario
Vincent Sarich, University of California at Berkeley
Sandra Scarr, University of Virginia
Frank L. Schmidt, University of Iowa
Lyle F. Schoenfeldt, Texas A & M University
James C. Sharf, George Washington University
Herman Spitz, former director E.R. Johnstone Training and Research Center, Bordentown, N.J.
Julian C. Stanley, Johns Hopkins University
Del Thiessen, University of Texas at Austin
Lee A. Thompson, Case Western Reserve University
Robert M. Thorndike, Western Washington Un.
Philip Anthony Vernon, Un. of Western Ontario
Lee Willerman, University of Texas at Austin

http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/wsj_main.html

If you are referring to IQ and the Wealth of Nations that tries to estimate world-wide IQs -this book was not even peer-reviewed (talking about pseudo-science) and contains for example a rather crucial factor, the Flynn effect, that is used to adjust data. But the mechanisms of the Flynn effect are not understood in itself.

The data from developing countries is very poor, in many cases there were only a couple of hundred IQ-test extrapolated to fit the whole population, sometimes IQ estimates derived this way were randomly changed, because the 'scientists' did not believe them to be right. In more than half of all countries (104 of 189), there was no data available at all, results were estimated from neighbouring countries, sometimes even from countries not even remotely near.Lynn's latest book, IQ and Global Inequality, is much more effective, and doesn't make the same mistakes as its predecessor.

[Larrikin]

Yes there is. You just repeated an old argument from the 1970s that has been thoroughly debunked by geneticists. Geneticists can feed genetic distance measures into a statistical procudeure called "Principal Componant Analysis". This divides human populations into a number of 'principlan components', or genetically similar clusters. These clusters correspond exactly to the 'races' used traditionally by physical anthropologists: Caucasoids, Negroids, Amerindians, East Asians, Australoids, etc. Races have been defined in terms of these genetic clusterings.

I never denied the existing of this, to be true I explicilty mentioned the 5 major populations as existing groups. But to say "match exactly" is an major exaggeration, and if you define 'races' by a certain clustering it is not very surprising to find the clusters within the defined races.

The existence of sub-groups within a larger group doesn't prove that the latter is taxonomically invalid. Don't be absurd.

It didn't say that, but the existence of sub-groups contradict the public view of the greater 'race' as a homogeneous entity. According to multi-locus allel clusters the difference within the African population greater than between Asian and Europeans.

By definition, racial groups lack absolute boundaries, because races are not separate species, but subspecies, which interbreed, so that their traits blend, which traits, however, on the average, distinguish one racial group from another. This isn't equivalent to saying that this or that race is a social construct, as the criteria used for each racial category are biological, genetic. The fact is that various human groups differ genetically; and whether you wish to call them subspecies, population clusters, races, varieties, types, or whatever, is of semantic, not scientific, importance.

The question arises if the terminology is unimportant if one could not rightly say that every smaller group within the greater could not also be called 'race'. That would give us maybe a few hunderd races on earth, most of them with dark skin.

No, but the traits are inter-correlated. Obviously considering only a single trait (skin pigmentation), but not a congeries of traits, as well as a common geographic locale, would be unscientific. The concept of race, however, is based on a congeries of intercorrelated traits.

My point was, that what is generally referred to as the black race, is truly a pool of different variations of traits. Though all "blacks" share some correlations, it is false to suggest they had all the same sets of intercorrelations.

He need not. Jensen has covered race differences in intelligence far more thoroughly than Charles Murray.

Almost all of Jensen's 400 publications have appeared in the most prostigious peer-reviewed journals in the fields - journals such as Intelligence, Behaviour Genetics, Personality and Individual Differences, The Psychology Bulletin, and Behavior and Brain Sciences. They have also appeared in The Encylopedia of Psychology and The Encylopedia of Intelligence.

This public statement was signed by 52 internationally known scholars following several rather heated and negative responses to Herrnstein & Murray's The Bell Curve. It was first published in The Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, December 13, 1994 [and subsequently published in the journal Intelligence].

Just because the statement is called "Mainstream science on Intelligence" this doesn't mean it reflects an agreement among all scientists... This is a cleverly chosen title intended to create this view, but what you fail to mention is that 48 scientist that received the statement did not sign, and that of the one that did sign a third did receive funding from the same fund that heavily sponsored the Bell Curve. This is not to say they are bribed, but has to be considered as a quiet possible bias.

It is a still very open controversy and given the fact that scientist for decades even fail to agree what intelligence really is and what might be the best way to measure it, I seriously doubt that there is anything like a mainstream view. The human mind is not easily confined to numbers.

[delete]

I never denied the existing of this, to be true I explicilty mentioned the 5 major populations as existing groups. But to say "match exactly" is an major exaggeration, and if you define 'races' by a certain clustering it is not very surprising to find the clusters within the defined races.

It didn't say that, but the existence of sub-groups contradict the public view of the greater 'race' as a homogeneous entity. According to multi-locus allel clusters the difference within the African population greater than between Asian and Europeans.

The main reason that there is any controversy among this, is that most scientists do not understand statistics.

You have just seem to be one of them yourself, because you argue that outliers disproves a statistical argument in some way.

[Larrikin]

The main reason that there is any controversy among this, is that most scientists do not understand statistics.

You have just seem to be one of them yourself, because you argue that outliers disproves a statistical argument in some way.
We are not talking about outliers, but in-group variance what is something completly different as you should know.

[Starr]

[QUOTE=MrAngry]Atrocities are perpetrated by all ethnic groups and are all equally abhorent. What amazes me about all you hypocritcal racist f**k wits is that you pick out ethnic crimes like this one, whilst making light of any white driven crime of equal depravity. To the point of dismissing and even making fun of kids dieing in a blaze. Many of you have double standards with a chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon between them.

This details of this crime make it particularily abhorant. Crimes even violent crimes(which blacks, on average, are many times more likely to be involved in) are not all equally abhorant. If the racial roles were reversed here I would doubt that many if any would be making light of it, but I would bet the media would be handling it very differently. That fire in New York was an accident it was not a crime


The people involved ion this crime are sick and deserve to be punished probably beyond what is limited to the judicial system currently, the guy who wrote the blog should also be charged with hate crimes, I just fail to se the point of this post? Impying that all black people are in some way linked to this type of behavior?

No one is saying that all blacks are linked to this behavior. I disagree that the guy who wrote this blog should be charged with a hate crime. Words, even when they are disturbing are not a crime. He is really only expressing very bluntly an animosity and "hate" that many blacks feel and have been taught to feel for whites. The fixation in society with focusing on whitey's "oppression" of the innnocent always abused black man, which partially leads to this attitude among blacks is called "healing."

[delete]

We are not talking about outliers, but in-group variance what is something completly different as you should know.

I have not seen you talking about deviations and means?

So what is the in-group variance for the different ethnic groups, and what is their mean?

[Larrikin]

I have not seen you talking about deviations and means?

So what is the in-group variance for the different ethnic groups, and what is their mean?
We are talking about methods of clusters analysis.
Suppose that the genetic data is defined as usual by a k-Means algorithm to form 5 clusters as distinct as possible to give us the 5 races mentioned above. The the difference in the means in all dimension between our groups is maximal. (Which number of clusters you actually have is very much due to the algorithm you choose and to the cross-reference with other methods, but we suppose that 5 is indeed the best possible number).

But the less groups you generally have and the greater the deviations in the original data set (that are quiet big given 10 million SNPs), the more in-group variances/deviations occur and that is also shown in the case of race and genetics.
If you cluster each race into smaller clusters you find that some of the 'sub-races' in the 'black' cluster are as distinct from each other as they are distinct from some of the 'white' or 'yellow' sub-cluster.

What brings me -again- to my point that the big continental population clusters may be by the means distinct from each other, but that on the smaller scale the distinction and variances within the clusters are quiet big and can be even bigger than inter-cluster differences between sub-groups of different clusters.

The means of a Somalian black sub-group can be more distinct from another black sub-gruop from Namibia than from a white sub-group in Greece and that's why it is simply a wrong assumption to speak of 'the' blacks and 'the' whites.


Note:
I have to say that I am by far not an expert in those highly complicated statistical methods, I just work in the marketing and we are quiet often confronted with clustered consumer data ans talk to the people who provide it. So what I know for sure is, that clusters are never 'exact' nor are they in themselves nearly homogeneous.

[Draco]

Heres one by Draco on a few Hispanic women who got raped in the US military:



Now here’s the asshole black guy whose comment about the double murder Draco posted:


Actually, there was never any proof they "got raped in the US military". Fairly different scenario; you're really grabbing at straws with this one.

[calvin]

The means of a Somalian black sub-group can be more distinct from another black sub-gruop from Namibia than from a white sub-group in Greece and that's why it is simply a wrong assumption to speak of 'the' blacks and 'the' whites

Whatever the differences between these two Black sub-groups, the fact remains that neither of these groups managed to produce a written language, never mind an Aristotle or a Pythagoras. You are talking about random differences, everyone else is talking about differences in intelligence. It doesn’t matter a rat’s ass how different these two groups are from each other in a myriad of different ways if they are both inferior to Greeks in terms of intelligence. If racing cars came in two colours, Black and White, and the black cars always had lower top speeds that the white cars, pointing out that there were more differences in terms of styling and interior finish between black cars that there was between black cars and white cars would not convince a racing team to regard black cars as equal to white cars would it?

[delete]

We are talking about methods of clusters analysis.
Suppose that the genetic data is defined as usual by a k-Means algorithm to form 5 clusters as distinct as possible to give us the 5 races mentioned above. The the difference in the means in all dimension between our groups is maximal. (Which number of clusters you actually have is very much due to the algorithm you choose and to the cross-reference with other methods, but we suppose that 5 is indeed the best possible number).

But the less groups you generally have and the greater the deviations in the original data set (that are quiet big given 10 million SNPs), the more in-group variances/deviations occur and that is also shown in the case of race and genetics.
If you cluster each race into smaller clusters you find that some of the 'sub-races' in the 'black' cluster are as distinct from each other as they are distinct from some of the 'white' or 'yellow' sub-cluster.

What brings me -again- to my point that the big continental population clusters may be by the means distinct from each other, but that on the smaller scale the distinction and variances within the clusters are quiet big and can be even bigger than inter-cluster differences between sub-groups of different clusters.

The means of a Somalian black sub-group can be more distinct from another black sub-gruop from Namibia than from a white sub-group in Greece and that's why it is simply a wrong assumption to speak of 'the' blacks and 'the' whites.


Note:
I have to say that I am by far not an expert in those highly complicated statistical methods, I just work in the marketing and we are quiet often confronted with clustered consumer data ans talk to the people who provide it. So what I know for sure is, that clusters are never 'exact' nor are they in themselves nearly homogeneous.

Of course there is posible to make statistical comparisons that prove that there is no racial difference. Just like you could find statistical algoritms that prove that there is racial differences, you can find statistical algoritms that prove racial differences.

The only real test is prediction, and the ones that say that black people is more aggressive, horny, egoistic, etc than the average white, beats almost any other predicatice measurement like income, education of parents, status, for the number of black deviants compared to whites.

[Larrikin]

Whatever the differences between these two Black sub-groups, the fact remains that neither of these groups managed to produce a written language, never mind an Aristotle or a Pythagoras.

Oh, well then let's change Somalia to Sudan, for I might bring it to your attention the Nubians which were very closely involved into the build-up of Egypt that can surely be regarded as high culture. The Nubians ruled the area in pre-dynastic times and later brought for example the art of ceramic (which they invented about 6000 BC) to the Egyptians and took in exchange for example the hieroglyphs which they developed into a set of 23 letters, that sadly we can't read anymore.That was about the year 3000 BC. Any idea what 'white men' were doing at this time? Right.

The 25th Egyptian dynasty were indeed Nubians again, very black in color and the Sudan indeed holds a greater number of pyramids (that are quite difficult to build and require a great knowledge of mathematics) than Egypt. And if you have a look at the reconstruction on famous Tutanchamuns face, it doesn't really look 'classic white', or do you think?
http://www.netzeitung.de/img/0097/097297.jpg

The thought of the first high civilizations being white (let alone in a sense of 'white' that today is on the mind of white supremacists and the like) is simply nonsense. They were not.

You are talking about random differences, everyone else is talking about differences in intelligence. It doesn’t matter a rat’s ass how different these two groups are from each other in a myriad of different ways if they are both inferior to Greeks in terms of intelligence.
It doesn't matter a rat's ass to you, because you are actually not looking for objective scientific information, but for crude interpretations of science to back up the prejudices you already have made up in your mind. The Greeks acquired a lot of knowledge from Africa and they were very good at using and developing it, as well as coming up with some great new ideas themselves.

[Larrikin]

Just like you could find statistical algoritms that prove that there is racial differences, you can find statistical algoritms that prove racial differences.

Is it just me or does this sentence make no sense?
I'm not trying to mock you, I just really don't get this.


The only real test is prediction, and the ones that say that black people is more aggressive, horny, egoistic, etc than the average white, beats almost any other predicatice measurement like income, education of parents, status, for the number of black deviants compared to whites.
So now that's genetics and statistics (thought you could outsmart me here, did you?) didn't prove your point it is suddenly predictions being the 'real' evidence?

Then I would very much like to see any of the scientific studies that actually make this predictions you mention and prove them to be right. :link:

[ivory bill]

Is it just me or does this sentence make no sense?
I'm not trying to mock you, I just really don't get this.


So now that's genetics and statistics (thought you could outsmart me here, did you?) didn't prove your point it is suddenly predictions being the 'real' evidence?

Then I would very much like to see any of the scientific studies that actually make this predictions you mention and prove them to be right. :link:

Here's a start:

http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm

[Jake Featherston]

So why then do you assume that blacks bear responsibility for the obviously insane anonymoous comments made about the murderers on the Internet?

Because those are not particularly unusual sentiments for Blacks to be expressing.

[SlagMaster]

Because those are not particularly unusual sentiments for Blacks to be expressing.

If Baboons could speak I wonder what sentiments they would express.

[MrAngry]

[QUOTE]

This details of this crime make it particularily abhorant. Crimes even violent crimes(which blacks, on average, are many times more likely to be involved in) are not all equally abhorant.

"Many more times" is an ambiguous statement, if this is your perception or opinion, you are entitled to that. Im my opinion these types of crimes are committed by all ethnic groups, sometimes within their own groups.

[QUOTE]
If the racial roles were reversed here I would doubt that many if any would be making light of it, but I would bet the media would be handling it very differently. That fire in New York was an accident it was not a crime

Yes it was an accident, but you read and posted on the thread that was on here, and it just adds weight to the fact that many (not al), racists are sick f**ks.

[QUOTE]
No one is saying that all blacks are linked to this behavior.

Yes they are, I have lost count of the amount of times that I have read the blacks are predisposed to violent of behaviour. It is even suggested in this thread that the sentiments of the blogger is shared by a majoirty of blacks. I f fact later on in this post of yours you hint at it.

[QUOTE]
I disagree that the guy who wrote this blog should be charged with a hate crime. Words, even when they are disturbing are not a crime.

Words used to incite hate and inflame predjudice should be be a crime, in fact they are a crime.


[QUOTE]
He is really only expressing very bluntly an animosity and "hate" that many blacks feel and have been taught to feel for whites.

Starr your ignorance of "black" people is startling, how do you know many feel this way? And who teaches them? In my experience very few blacks feel this way, and of the minority who do, they share the same misguided thought process as racists such as yourself, born out of frustration and a victim menality which leads to victim behaviour.


[QUOTE]
The fixation in society with focusing on whitey's "oppression" of the innnocent always abused black man, which partially leads to this attitude among blacks is called "healing."

You use the self hating term "whitey" why? I don't beleive that the mainstay of society feels the whites are oppressing anyone generally, (within the UK definately). Small groups on both extremes of the race devide and minorities within minority groups seem to make more capital from race issues, It's called self interest.

[Hachiko]

If Baboons could speak I wonder what sentiments they would express.
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[Ahknaton]

"Many more times" is an ambiguous statement, if this is your perception or opinion, you are entitled to that. Im my opinion these types of crimes are committed by all ethnic groups, sometimes within their own groups.
It's not an opinion, it's a matter of objective reality. Either Blacks commit more crime per capita than Whites, or they commit the same amount (within a margin of statistical error), or they commit less. It's not a matter of "perception". How could it be? As it happens, they commit more.

[harjit]

I guess the original purpose of this convoluted thread was Draco asking antis why there is a media blackout on this story?

The hell I would know why, and yes it does suck if that is the case (I don't live in the USA and wouldn't know).

Beyond that, I get the impression that there is a demand that we now be racist against blacks. If not then we are, at least at some level, unsympathetic to the victims.

Meanwhile racists (here and at other forums) blithely joke about millions of Africans dying of AIDS, black children roasting in house fires, blacks being lynched, you name it.

None of us antis here have made fun of anyone's misfortunes (we are diminished by all of them) nor have we ever demanded any kind of statement or explanation or change of ideology of anyone... over a news item. :confused:

So in conclusion I get the impression that there is nothing defensive about racism. It is stridently aggressive, offensive, ambitious, arrogant and hopeful.

That is a positive thing, it is more fun to debate with fire-eaters than depressed defeatists. :)

[Ahknaton]

Beyond that, I get the impression that there is a demand that we now be racist against blacks. If not then we are, at least at some level, unsympathetic to the victims.
Depends what you mean by "racist against Blacks". If you mean "hateful towards Blacks" then I would disagree, but I think that stories like this (set against a background of statistically significant high levels of Black crime) force us to confront the reality that racial integration isn't working and there is serious social fallout from it. I can understand and respect political differences about how to deal with this, but simple outright denial by anti-racists that there is a problem, and that it all stems from delusions within the racist's mind is a position I can't respect. I think it is legitimate to say that if you aren't angered by a deliberate media blackout surrounding these murders (assuming you agree that such a blackout exists) then you are unsympathetic to the victims.
Meanwhile racists (here and at other forums) blithely joke about millions of Africans dying of AIDS, black children roasting in house fires, blacks being lynched, you name it.
The thread joking about Black children roasting in house fires was significant in that several racists "broke ranks" and said that it was over the line.
None of us antis here have made fun of anyone's misfortunes (we are diminished by all of them) nor have we ever demanded any kind of statement or explanation or change of ideology of anyone... over a news item. :confused:
I think you're exposing yourself by saying "none of us" there harjit. I'm sure I could dredge through the forum archives and find a counter-example. I'll accept that's true for the most part however. It's ridiculous to demand a change over a single news item, but this is a "damned if you do..." situation. When we cite statistics, they have an abstract quality about them, and are open to endless haggling over the validity and interpretation of the results (Sulla is especially notorious for this). Bland facts and figures also lack the emotional intensity to overcome the emotional/moral inhibition against making negative generalisations about a group of people that anti-racists have. With stories like this it's the opposite. There is a strong emotional intensity to them, but the anti-racist will just switch tacks and suddenly become all obsessed with facts and figures and taking an "objective, unemotional" look at it.
So in conclusion I get the impression that there is nothing defensive about racism. It is stridently aggressive, offensive, ambitious, arrogant and hopeful.

That is a positive thing, it is more fun to debate with fire-eaters than depressed defeatists. :)
The only good defence is a good offence :D

[il ragno]

Harjit, you're full of shit.

When the MSM trots out a story of some po' black being mistreated by either whites, or white society, and gives it major-story play, neither you nor Mr Angry nor any of your MSF ilk question/disparage it or wonder aloud where the primetime treatment for stories like Christian & Newsome is. Instead, you cynically keep the ballyhooed stories on file, for ready reference whenever you need a Handy Refutation For Stoopit Racists.

The fact of the matter is that you don't live near/amid American blacks or grasp the Ghetto Gestalt. In fact, it's fascinating - and telling - to see how many of your MSF compatriots are either Canucks, Euros or Canucks/Euros living abroad in Asia (incidentally, serving the function of Ugly Americans and gaijin opportunists)....and therefore looking at white racism towards blacks from one level removed - one very important level; and what you imagine is a dispassionate objectivity that removal lends you is self-tainted by your moralizing disapproval whioch is often the entire point of your "examination" in the first place.

The black/white racism you object to with such distaste is as region-specific to America as Christian/Muslim antipathy is to Europe. The one vital difference is American media, the tail that wags the planetary dog, which globally spreads the toxic lie that American-styled Negro defiance, stupidity and violence is fashionable and photogenic and possesses built-in moral superiority (regardless of how depraved Jamaal's atrocities are, they are but a drop in the bucket compared to slavery, colonialism, caste systems etc)...and it is the paradigm of the American Negro that informs the Muslim youth of Europe today, and all due to global Jewish media.

You have already admitted that you grew up the child of wealthy Indian professionals who viewed the lower-income whites who grew up around you (but whom you never once viewed as worthy of being of you) through that same microscope lens of "objectivity" - which in your case is the safe word for the sort of patrionization born of a sense of superiority so inculcated in you it was unquestioned - so spare me your store-bought postures of moral outrage and egalitarianism.

The racism which you find "stridently aggressive, offensive, ambitious, arrogant and hopeful" represents the best hope for the indignant whites of the MSF mindset...in fact, for everyone who prefers civil order to chaos - and that includes steak-eating, comfortably paunchy Hindus with frightwig hair, who'd be playing patrician massa without a second thought were they back home in Mother India riding comfortably atop a caste system more medieval and entrenched than any in Europe or America.

Lay down your arms and allow the savages to overrun you in the misappropriated name of "civilization" and you'll be hip-deep in that Chinese aphorism about living in interesting times, with a vantage point far too close to comfort

That's my one impassioned rant for today. I'm devoting the rest of the day to mean-spirited zingers and unforgivable puns.

[harjit]

When the MSM trots out a story of some po' black being mistreated by either whites, or white society, and gives it major-story play, neither you nor Mr Angry nor any of your MSF ilk question/disparage it or wonder aloud where the primetime treatment for stories like Christian & Newsome is. Instead, you cynically keep the ballyhooed stories on file, for ready reference whenever you need a Handy Refutation For Stoopit Racists.
Links plz, to where I have ever done this. Or engaged in any double-standards with respect to news articles for that matter.

And you hardly addressed my post, the way Ahknaton did, but just launched a angry free-floating broadside.

You have already admitted that you grew up the child of wealthy Indian professionals who viewed the lower-income whites who grew up around you (but whom you never once viewed as worthy of being of you)
Middle-class upbringing (parents both worked, but not rich), and it's not true that I look down on lower-income whites (or lower-income anyone). That post mocking my white babysitters was just to scope out the level of double-standards around here. I had a more white-supremacist image of the Phora at that time than I do now.

[Ixtab]

I never denied the existing of this, to be true I explicilty mentioned the 5 major populations as existing groups. But to say "match exactly" is an major exaggeration, and if you define 'races' by a certain clustering it is not very surprising to find the clusters within the defined races.I said the geographic populations which have been distinguished by population geneticists correspond to the races traditionally used by physical anthropologists. This is true. Whether you wish to call these populations 'races', 'genetic clusters', or 'geographic populations' is merely a semantic issue. These terms all mean the same thing as used by race-realists.

The question arises if the terminology is unimportant if one could not rightly say that every smaller group within the greater could not also be called 'race'. That would give us maybe a few hunderd races on earth, most of them with dark skin.Which, however, does not undermine the concept of race. Exactly the same debate goes on between lumpers and splitters who categorise subspecies of plants and animals. Lumpers like to have a small number of greater races or subspecies, and splitters like to make dozens and sometimes hundreds of 'divisions' within each category distinguished by the lumpers. But, as with human classifications, the criteria used in both cases are genetic. It only depends upon how fine-graded you want the distinctions to be. The concept of subspecies as applied to the animal and vegetable kingdoms is not refuted thereby.

My point was, that what is generally referred to as the black race, is truly a pool of different variations of traits. Though all "blacks" share some correlations, it is false to suggest they had all the same sets of intercorrelations.There is sufficient intercorrelation to justify the classification. It has predictive value and construct validity. A lot of this intraracial variation, by the way, is in junk DNA.

Just because the statement is called "Mainstream science on Intelligence" this doesn't mean it reflects an agreement among all scientists...Obviously not all scientists agree, but it does show widespread agreement in the relevant fields. You will also recall that I cited the Behvaiour Genetics Association and the Test and Measurement Division of the APA (Division 5), which also substantiates my assertion that race-realism is mainstream science in the pertinent fields.

It is a still very open controversy and given the fact that scientist for decades even fail to agree what intelligence really is and what might be the best way to measure it, I seriously doubt that there is anything like a mainstream view. The human mind is not easily confined to numbers.Actually, as Hans Eysenck has pointed out, there is widespread agreement as to the definition of intelligence - about 97 percent amongst psychologists. I will cite the study later.

In any case, this is once again a semantic question, not a scientific one. In science, terms mean whatever they are defined as in a given context. 'Intelligence' is used in the sense of general mental ability (or g) - I happen to think this corresponds rather nicely with what most people mean by the word 'intelligence'. If that's not what you mean by intelligence, that's all well and good; you need only bear in mind that it is being used in that sense when race differences in intelligence are spoken of.

[il ragno]

Links plz, to where I have ever done this. Or engaged in any double-standards with respect to news articles for that matter.

People who begin blanket statements with "none of us antis" don't get to ask "where have I done this?". It certainly doesn't ruffle your feathers overmuch to characterize me by someone else's worst excesses:

Meanwhile racists (here and at other forums) blithely joke about millions of Africans dying of AIDS, black children roasting in house fires, blacks being lynched, you name it.



And you hardly addressed my post, the way Ahknaton did, but just launched a angry free-floating broadside

Sure I did. You said

I get the impression that there is nothing defensive about racism. It is stridently aggressive, offensive, ambitious, arrogant and hopeful.

and, I just explained that a: your impression is just that, a kneejerk interpretation gauged from the vantage-point of a Canadian/Japanese opera seat, and b: as an Indian who grew up in affluence, and who has gone on record as feeling patronizingly superior to the whites your family employed in Canada, you are hardly exonerated of the charge yourself. And, uhh, if you were in India right this moment, would you be breaking bread with your lower-caste countrymen?

As for that "stridently aggressive" business, well.... you can't struggle against your restraints by lying perectly still and accepting your bondage as karma.

[MrAngry]

Harjit, you're full of shit.

When the MSM trots out a story of some po' black being mistreated by either whites, or white society, and gives it major-story play, neither you nor Mr Angry nor any of your MSF ilk question/disparage it or wonder aloud where the primetime treatment for stories like Christian & Newsome is.

Then you don't look hard enough, or maybe you have no interest in looking, we, generally, do question/ disparage it. If you want me to provide links I can, can you say you do the same when the issue is reversed? Of course not, you're a hypocritical bigot right? Or can you provide evidence to the contrary? Yeah right....

[calvin]

Oh, well then let's change Somalia to Sudan, for I might bring it to your attention the Nubians which were very closely involved into the build-up of Egypt that can surely be regarded as high culture. The Nubians ruled the area in pre-dynastic times and later brought for example the art of ceramic (which they invented about 6000 BC) to the Egyptians and took in exchange for example the hieroglyphs which they developed into a set of 23 letters, that sadly we can't read anymore.That was about the year 3000 BC. Any idea what 'white men' were doing at this time? Right

I would place the Egyptians approximately on par with the Aztecs in terms of cultural achievement. Egyptian architecture never surpassed the post and lintel stage, its carvings are crude in comparison to classical sculpture. Militarily Egyptian accomplishments are not worthy of particular note. The Egyptians mostly vanquished tribes of pastoralists and usually succumbed before more sophisticated invaders. In comparison to the Hittites or the Assyrians, Egyptian military technology was primitive. The Egyptians, like the Aztecs, retain a romantic fascination among Westerners because of the scale of their architectural projects (not their sophistication) and the endurance of their buildings. If Egyptian civilization could be summed up in one word it would be “monumentalism”.

You claim that the Nubians were the inspiration behind Egyptian civilisation, fair enough, ideas created by Black Africans are now being deemed to be the inspiration behind a lot the world’s great civilizations, it seems a tad strange that Black Africans didn’t manage to become the inspiration behind any known Black African civilization worthy of the description, doesn’t it?

Any idea what 'white men' were doing at this time?

Actually, a hell of a lot more than liberal poodle historians give them credit for, but let’s accept, for the sake of argument, the knee-jerk liberal accusation that “White people were living in mud huts at this time”. Civilization is an urban phenomena, urban conurbations require substantial populations and populations take long periods of time to grow. Since humanity evolved in Africa (according to liberal science), for the longest period of human history more humans have lived for longer on the African continent. Africa has contained the greatest concentration of human creative potential for far, far longer than any other geographical location. The wonder is not that some ideas necessary for the creation of civilization emerged in Africa, but that despite enormous advantages and huge vistas of time, no fully-fledged civilization ever emerged in Africa. White people only failed to achieve the same cultural status as the peoples of the Levant and Middle East for as long as White populations remained small and sparsely spread in comparison to these population dense loci. As soon as White demographics allowed, White people began to surpass the civilizations of every other race.

[Starr]

[QUOTE=MrAngry]

"Many more times" is an ambiguous statement, if this is your perception or opinion, you are entitled to that. Im my opinion these types of crimes are committed by all ethnic groups, sometimes within their own groups.

It is not my perception, it is the truth. A look at the conditions in majority black cities and in sub suharan Africa will tell you this. Crime statistics will also tell you this. We can argue all day about why this is, but we cannot reasonable argue about whether or not it is a reality.



Yes it was an accident, but you read and posted on the thread that was on here, and it just adds weight to the fact that many (not al), racists are sick f**ks.

There was actually only a few posters in that entire thread that reacted in the way you are talking about. There were also just as many posters who said something against that reaction. Animoisity naturally exists between the races and is also made worse by forced integration, the attempted breakup of the identity of the majority culture and political correctness. The hostility created by all of this, among other things is going to result in words such as the ones in that immigrant thread and also the words posted by Draco in the original post. That is not really an excuse for either just an understanding.



Yes they are, I have lost count of the amount of times that I have read the blacks are predisposed to violent of behaviour. It is even suggested in this thread that the sentiments of the blogger is shared by a majoirty of blacks. I f fact later on in this post of yours you hint at it.

As I already said I have never seen anyone, even the most hardcore "racist" say that all blacks are criminals. But there are differences among the races that make blacks more prone to criminal behaviors than other races. Blacks have a higher testesterone level, they are more aggressive, emotional, and quicker to anger. These things play a definite roll in their higher crime rate.



Words used to incite hate and inflame predjudice should be be a crime, in fact they are a crime.

Politically incorrect words or words that make people uncomfortable, even words that people might view as a bit on the depraved side are not a crime. There is a fine line possible in the words at the end of the original post that I talked about earlier in the thread. Remember also people who go to that blog or a black or white nationalist site or whatever else are drawn for a reason. No one or at least a very tiny minority of people are going to listen to words like these and turn from a perfect pro-diversity mulitculti member of the "human race" to what people would call a racist. They were already a racist to begin with and are merely seeking out like minded people. So what "hate" was incited and what prejudice inflamed? forcing a situation where people must keep all of their opinions and discontentment bottled up inside creates a much more tense situation. Merely attempting to put a lid on these things does not make them disappear it just forces them under the surface.



Starr your ignorance of "black" people is startling, how do you know many feel this way? And who teaches them? In my experience very few blacks feel this way, and of the minority who do, they share the same misguided thought process as racists such as yourself, born out of frustration and a victim menality which leads to victim behaviour.

The thing that you might not want to hear is that racism will continue to exist among all of the races when they are forced to share the same space. There will always be a competion among the races for dominance and blacks, as a whole, will always be at the bottom, which will leave them with the idea that they are being held back or discriminated against which then creates an animosity in them for their "oppressors." Why is racial self determination such a dirty thought to people?

[Larrikin]

Because those are not particularly unusual sentiments for Blacks to be expressing.
I very much doubt you have conversations with blacks very often.
I DO -and no one I know ever expressed any such sentiments.

[Starr]

I very much doubt you have conversations with blacks very often.
I DO -and no one I know ever expressed any such sentiments.


I do not believe the majority of blacks think in these terms, but it would make sense to me because of a few different factors that they do have negative feelings towards whites, mistrust, resentment, anger, jealousy,etc. They, like whites are also not going to be as completely open with you(if you are white)as they are when around only in the company of their own people who they feel more comfortable with and can relate to better.

[Larrikin]

I would place the Egyptians approximately on par with the Aztecs in terms of cultural achievement. Egyptian architecture never surpassed the post and lintel stage, its carvings are crude in comparison to classical sculpture.

This claim is simply ridicolous.

The Egyptians show the first proven example of the decimal system (ca. 3000 BC), and documents prove that they had profound knowledge of algebra and geometry well before others.
From Egypt derives the first alphabet, and they used the first paper to write on.
Egyptian medicine was most likely the most advanced in the ancient world with the first known (and successful) surgeries performed.
Surveying was highly developed in Egypt and the Turin Papyrus is the oldest known geologic and topographic map.
For architecuture and engeneering the Egytians invented hydraulic cement, higly artistic buildings and complex irrigation systems. The Cheops Pyramid involves complex statics and remained the worldst highest structure for more than 3000 years.
Glass-making (and likely glass-blowing) are of Egyptian origin and iron tools found in Gizah Pyramids might be the oldest in the world.

To say anything, but that Egypt was amongst the most important civilisation in ancient history is utter nonsense.

You claim that the Nubians were the inspiration behind Egyptian civilisation, fair enough, ideas created by Black Africans are now being deemed to be the inspiration behind a lot the world’s great civilizations, it seems a tad strange that Black Africans didn’t manage to become the inspiration behind any known Black African civilization worthy of the description, doesn’t it?

I did not say inspiration, but pointed to the role Nubians played in Egypt what is actually not my claim, but the claim of archaeologists working in Egypt and Sudan.

Actually, a hell of a lot more than liberal poodle historians give them credit for, but let’s accept, for the sake of argument, the knee-jerk liberal accusation that “White people were living in mud huts at this time”.

I was indeed polemic. There are of course examples of early european achievements, the great burial mounds of Newgrange or Dowth in Ireland's Boyne valley are spectacular.

Civilization is an urban phenomena, urban conurbations require substantial populations and populations take long periods of time to grow. Since humanity evolved in Africa (according to liberal science), for the longest period of human history more humans have lived for longer on the African continent.

Africa has contained the greatest concentration of human creative potential for far, far longer than any other geographical location. The wonder is not that some ideas necessary for the creation of civilization emerged in Africa, but that despite enormous advantages and huge vistas of time, no fully-fledged civilization ever emerged in Africa.
White people only failed to achieve the same cultural status as the peoples of the Levant and Middle East for as long as White populations remained small and sparsely spread in comparison to these population dense loci. As soon as White demographics allowed, White people began to surpass the civilizations of every other race.
Civilisations come and go. Empires rise and fall. Every new use the relics and achievements of the old ones to build on, to use them and develope them.
Today it's white skin-colored people bearing the most power, but in technology we might already see a shift to Asia.

In a few hunderd years from now the dominant culture of the world might be Asians and discussing what was a white and black role in history.
And in 2000 thousand years, given the rates in which a shrinking world favors race-mixing (no matter we one might think about it) people might think back wondering what times were like when humans indeed had substantially different skin colors.

[Larrikin]

I do not believe the majority of blacks think in these terms, but it would make sense to me because of a few different factors that they do have negative feelings towards whites, mistrust, resentment, anger, jealousy,etc. They, like whites are also not going to be as completely open with you(if you are white)as they are when around only in the company of their own people who they feel more comfortable with and can relate to better.
But actually I'm not white...

[Keystone]

And in 2000 thousand years, given the rates in which a shrinking world favors race-mixing (no matter we one might think about it) people might think back wondering what times were like when humans indeed had substantially different skin colors.
I suppose that's positive thinking from your perspective. The "shrinking" seems to be one-sided, however. I'm not worried about 2000 years from now, I'm rather concerned about the next 50, at least on my patch.

If all the white folks leave or are blacked or browned out hereabouts I shudder to think of the results, given the violent mess my city is becoming thanks to diversity.

[calvin]

The Egyptians show the first proven example of the decimal system

So people have ten digits and the climate of Egypt is conducive to preservation, big deal!

documents prove that they had profound knowledge of algebra and geometry well before others.

Funny that, I thought that algebra was supposed to have been invented by the Muslims. In fact, algebra was invented by the Aryan Hindus of northern India, but the liberal establishment will settle for any fairy tale in which the credit goes to persons of non-European origin.

Egyptian medicine was most likely the most advanced in the ancient world with the first known (and successful) surgeries performed

There are numerous examples of successful trepanation that precede the Egyptians.

For architecuture and engeneering the Egytians invented hydraulic cement

Lime cement sets under water.

and they used the first paper to write on

No they didn’t, they “invented” papyrus. In a land of reed beds the Egyptians daubed their pictograms on dried reed mats, wonderful!

The Cheops Pyramid involves complex statics

So does a snowflake, there is little evidence that the Egyptians understood the complexity that underpinned their architecture, they just knew what worked, mainly through trial and error.

I did not say inspiration, but pointed to the role Nubians played in Egypt what is actually not my claim, but the claim of archaeologists working in Egypt and Sudan

Never mind the role Africans played in Egyptian civilization, show me the role played by Africans in developing an African civilization.

Civilisations come and go. Empires rise and fall. Every new use the relics and achievements of the old ones to build on, to use them and develope them

Rubbish! Given time every race will rise to the limits of its genetic potential, Blacks will never rise beyond tribalism, the races that inhabit Islam will never rise beyond theocratic oligarchy and the White race will rise above all others.

[il ragno]

Hold up, Calvin and Larrikin - you're both wrong.

The ancient Egyptians are more than worthy of respect for their undeniable contributions to world civilization.

However, any modern-day nigger trying to catch a free ride with that "da Agypshuns was black and proud" bit is kidding himself. The nog of Right Now would be better served by visiting the monkey house at the Bronx Zoo for a peek at his forebears. "Niggers of Ancient Egypt" is a feelgood Farrakhan fairytale.

[Larrikin]

I suppose that's positive thinking from your perspective. The "shrinking" seems to be one-sided, however. I'm not worried about 2000 years from now, I'm rather concerned about the next 50, at least on my patch.

I'm not to judge if this developement is positive, but I think it's realistic. Communication and transportation make the world smaller, mixing lifestyles, mixing people, mixing races. This is causing substantial problems for societies world-wide in the short term, I agree to that.

[Larrikin]

So people have ten digits and the climate of Egypt is conducive to preservation, big deal!

If you fail to see the importance of a numerical system for cultural and scientific developement, you should go back to school.

Funny that, I thought that algebra was supposed to have been invented by the Muslims.

Where did you get that nonsense? The word "al-jabr" is Arabic and likely the source of the modern term "Algebra", but that was in the 13th century, roughly 3000 years after the first algebraic principles were discoverd.

In fact, algebra was invented by the Aryan Hindus of northern India, but the liberal establishment will settle for any fairy tale in which the credit goes to persons of non-European origin.

The Rhind Mathematics Papyrus dates back to 1700 BC and contains solutions to complex mathematic questions, the Berlin Mathematical Papyrus (1300 BC) contains 2nd order algebraic equatations. This papyrus contains an example problem for the famous theorem of Pythargaros. Pythorgoras was sent to Memphis to study, by Thales, who himself had important contacts to Egypt and Babylon that were centres of wisdom for the Greeks.

The Vedic mathematicians may have been as early, though the found documents are slightly younger (from 1500 to 800 BC) and were of course of great importance to the developement of mathematics (zero, irrational number concept etc). There are many fathers to this child, ancient Egypt being one of them.

There are numerous examples of successful trepanation that precede the Egyptians.

But the Egyptians were he first to do surgery of soft body parts like the abdomen.

No they didn’t, they “invented” papyrus. In a land of reed beds the Egyptians daubed their pictograms on dried reed mats, wonderful!

You have absolutely no idea hat papyrus is, do you? Manufacturing it in good quality was a complex process and high quality papyrus most valued as the modst widely used writing surface for nearly 3000 years. It was used in Greece and the Roman empire and until the early medieval age.

So does a snowflake, there is little evidence that the Egyptians understood the complexity that underpinned their architecture, they just knew what worked, mainly through trial and error.

Yes, of course. The Egytians certainly build up a pyramid from 3 million stones weighing nearly 10 million tons by trial and error. :rofl:

Rubbish! Given time every race will rise to the limits of its genetic potential, Blacks will never rise beyond tribalism, the races that inhabit Islam will never rise beyond theocratic oligarchy and the White race will rise above all others.
Given your rather crude understanding of complex issues and utter lack of knowledge of basic scientific facts, I should say that the white race must be in decline already... To much inbreeding among supremacists maybe.

[Starr]

I'm not to judge if this developement is positive, but I think it's realistic. Communication and transportation make the world smaller, mixing lifestyles, mixing people, mixing races. This is causing substantial problems for societies world-wide in the short term, I agree to that.


Humans will still have different "skin colors." there will still be a heirerchy. The mixing will not be uniform. The loss of identity and unique races and cultures will have a substantially negative long term effect.

[Larrikin]

Humans will still have different "skin colors." there will still be a heirerchy. The mixing will not be uniform. The loss of identity and unique races and cultures will have a substantially negative long term effect.
As I said, I don't judge this developement, I just think it is the logical consequence of global technological and social developements. It is like saying it would be better atomic energy would have never be discovered because it potentially threatens human existence. But it is a fact that can't be undone and we have to live with it.

[Kriger]

Gorillas have loftier social values than blacks do. The only blacks with even a minute particle of decency are those ones with White blood in them, and even these ones are tainted with the black blood constantly overriding any positive influence from White genes.

[Larrikin]

Gorillas have loftier social values than blacks do. The only blacks with even a minute particle of decency are those ones with White blood in them, and even these ones are tainted with the black blood constantly overriding any positive influence from White genes.
blabla... insult... blabla... racism... blabla... nonsense... blabla...
:hurl:

[calvin]

The Rhind Mathematics Papyrus dates back to 1700 BC and contains solutions to complex mathematic questions, the Berlin Mathematical Papyrus (1300 BC) contains 2nd order algebraic equatations. This papyrus contains an example problem for the famous theorem of Pythargaros. Pythorgoras was sent to Memphis to study, by Thales, who himself had important contacts to Egypt and Babylon that were centres of wisdom for the Greeks

So you are completely unaware that Hindu mathematics is rooted in the Chinese rod numerical system?


You have absolutely no idea hat papyrus is, do you?

As an amusement I once learned how to make paper. I have experimented with making paper from phormium tenax (very much like papyrus), so, in fact, primitive skills like papermaking may seem esoteric to the academic, but they are rather straightforward to people whose sense of discovery goes beyond the academic. I have actually made paper, but please tell me all of the secrets you know about paper making, I can’t wait!

Yes, of course. The Egyptians certainly build up a pyramid from 3 million stones weighing nearly 10 million tons by trial and error

Yes! You’ve inadvertently hit the nail on the head with your references to scale, the pyramids involve no architectural sophistication; no arches, no flying buttresses, no dome, no aqueducts, etc., etc., just a huge amount of rock laid out with geometrical precision. If the pyramids were a tenth of their size, no one would give a rat’s ass about their “geometrical precision”. The pyramids are just a tribute to the Egyptians ability to sustain a vast army of serfs.

Given your rather crude understanding of complex issues and utter lack of knowledge of basic scientific facts, I should say that the white race must be in decline already... To much inbreeding among supremacists maybe

Au contraire! Too much inbreeding amongst stupid White people as a result of the welfare state and other dysgenic factors. Your complete misunderstanding of the genesis of the problem probably explains your misunderstandings in every other area, or maybe I’m being kind?

[Jake Featherston]

I very much doubt you have conversations with blacks very often.
I DO -and no one I know ever expressed any such sentiments.

You live in Germany. I'm talking American niggers. Euro-nigs are probably a comparitively timid lot.

[Larrikin]

So you are completely unaware that Hindu mathematics is rooted in the Chinese rod numerical system?

A far stretched claim, the look for Chinese roots in Hindu mahematics. You must be about the only one in the world who is aware of that, since the oldest recordings of Chinese mathemarics date no further back than about 200 BC hence being much younger than the Hindu texts.
First it was the Greek, than the Hindus, now we are in ancient China. A long way to go to (very unsuccessful) show how primitive the Egyptians were. Presumably your next step will be the the lost white race of Atlantis who of course invented everything first...

As an amusement I once learned how to make paper. I have experimented with making paper from phormium tenax (very much like papyrus), so, in fact, primitive skills like papermaking may seem esoteric to the academic, but they are rather straightforward to people whose sense of discovery goes beyond the academic. I have actually made paper, but please tell me all of the secrets you know about paper making, I can’t wait!

You are babbling nonsense.
Of course once an invention is made and a process discovered it is straight forward. Any idiot can build a bow now or make paper, but it was quite a sophisticated invention at its time. Obviously it's no big deal making paper today. It was a big deal 4500 years ago... And the fact that high quality papyrus was the state-of-the-art writng surface for three millennia shows that the Egyptians were pretty early pretty good at it.

And suely its because the Egyptians were uneducated idiots thats why Thales and Pythargoras, who easily rank amongst the greatest scienticst in history (Thales is one of the Seven Sages and sometimes considered the "father of science"), went to Egypt (and other places) to study. :rofl:

Yes! You’ve inadvertently hit the nail on the head with your references to scale, the pyramids involve no architectural sophistication; no arches, no flying buttresses, no dome, no aqueducts, etc., etc., just a huge amount of rock laid out with geometrical precision.

You are aware that we speak of a period 2500 BC here?
It was a long way (a few thousand years) to flying butresses and free domes.
It's like comparing the earliest sail-boats to a galleon, does this make the invention of sails and navigation less important or impressive? Of course not.

The arch was by the way known to the Egytians from about 2200 BC (though used underground only as in most cultures until the Romans).

If the pyramids were a tenth of their size, no one would give a rat’s ass about their “geometrical precision”. The pyramids are just a tribute to the Egyptians ability to sustain a vast army of serfs.

Sometimes size does matter... If Stonehenge was a tenth in scale no one would considered it impressive, so what?

Au contraire! Too much inbreeding amongst stupid White people as a result of the welfare state and other dysgenic factors. Your complete misunderstanding of the genesis of the problem probably explains your misunderstandings in every other area, or maybe I’m being kind?
Ever had a look at the amount of halfwits European aristocracy has been producing by elitarian inbreeding for centuries?

[Larrikin]

You live in Germany. I'm talking American niggers. Euro-nigs are probably a comparitively timid lot.
Now this argument completely contradicts your often suggested genetic dispostion to aggression and violence found in black men in general...

[Empress Cheesatine]

Now this argument completely contradicts your often suggested genetic dispostion to aggression and violence found in black men in general...

There is a certain cultural influence, but if you question the behaviors of blacks, Id suggest a visit to Watts or Pretoria.

[Larrikin]

There is a certain cultural influence, but if you question the behaviors of blacks, Id suggest a visit to Watts or Pretoria.
Well, since part of my family is still living in Harare, I have been among blacks quiet a bit.

[Jake Featherston]

Now this argument completely contradicts your often suggested genetic dispostion to aggression and violence found in black men in general...

Most human behavioral patterns are partially or predominantly genetic, but almost all have an environmental component as well. American niggers have a particular history concerning slavery and the civil rights movement, which combined with our less generous social welfare state and stricter law enforcement regime, makes them more susceptible to the resentful, hate Whitey meme they are connstantly bonbarded with via the American mass media & public education. The hate Whitey meme is probably not advocated as strongly by the powers-that-be in the European media & schools, since Blacks aren't a part of European history in quite the same way they tragically are a part of American history. Much like kissing domestic Muslim ass isn't quite as fashionable in the USA as opposed to, say, the UK.

[Jake Featherston]

Well, since part of my family is still living in Harare, I have been among blacks quiet a bit.

If Black behavior in Occupied Salisbury doesn't at least raise the suspicion of the innate savagery of Blacks in your mind, then you're clearly not open-minded on the subject.

Hail Ian Smith!

[Kriger]

Side note: In May of 2006 the Zimbabean newspaper The Financial Gazette described the city in an editiorial as a "sunshine city-turned-sewage farm". This being due to the fact that essential services such as rubbish collection and street repair have become virtually non-existant in Harare (formerly Salisbury).

[Larrikin]

Yep, Harare (and Zimbabwe as a whole) is becoming worse and worse. Mugabe is a ruthless dictator who is apparently losing all sense of reality by now. The policies he enacted against white farmers were senseless and cruel and are now leading to economic desaster and starvation. Mugabe is a blatant example how racist policies can devastate countries. But political mismanagement can hardly be regarded as a black problem only, though it is obvious that the state instituitons aren't very well established in most African states.

[Larrikin]

If Black behavior in Occupied Salisbury doesn't at least raise the suspicion of the innate savagery of Blacks in your mind, then you're clearly not open-minded on the subject.

Anyone who considers Rhodesia a "white country" can hardly be taken serious, there never was such a thing anywhere in Africa.
And if you don't get the context of decolonization you might want to read some history books again.

[Jake Featherston]

if you don't get the context of decolonization you might want to read some history books again.

Rhodesia stopped being a colony in 1965; it was an independent state ruled by its White minority, and should have remained such, just like the Union of South Africa and so-called "Namibia." The Blacks were welcome to the rest of it (although the Portuguese took some convincing), but Whites made those places what they were, and Blacks should not have been allowed to destroy them in the name of some genetic egalitarian theory of homo sapiens, for crying out loud.

[Larrikin]

..Blacks should not have been allowed to destroy them in the name of some genetic egalitarian theory of homo sapiens, for crying out loud.
Listening to your hatefilled mindless ramblings brings about indeed some questions, if really everybody should be considered homo sapiens...

But you are welcome to continue you archaic tribal behaviour for it only proves my point that social abilities are not an issue of race, but of education and proper upbringing both of which you very obviously lack completely.

[Felix the Cat]

The Blacks were welcome to the rest of it (although the Portuguese took some convincing)
It was the collapse of Portuguese East Africa that doomed Rhodesia. Classic Domino Effect.

[Larrikin]

It was the collapse of Portuguese East Africa that doomed Rhodesia. Classic Domino Effect.
It was the idea that a caste of foreign elitarist could rule a country against the will and interests of the vast majority of people who lived on the land for millennia that doomed Rhodesia.

[Jake Featherston]

It was the collapse of Portuguese East Africa that doomed Rhodesia. Classic Domino Effect.

Perhaps, although I've heard it said that the biggest factor was South Africa's decision to foolishly, treacherously, and unsuccessfully take some of the int'l community heat off themselves by embargoing arms sales to Rhodesia (particularly spare parts for the Rhodesian helicopters).

[Jake Featherston]

It was the idea that a caste of foreign elitarist could rule a country against the will and interests of the vast majority of people who lived on the land for millennia that doomed Rhodesia.

The people of Rhodesia/"Zimbabwe" were much better off under Ian Smith than under Robert Mugabe, irrespective of race.

[Larrikin]

The people of Rhodesia/"Zimbabwe" were much better off under Ian Smith than under Robert Mugabe, irrespective of race.
The UDI of Ian Smith was to secure elitarian rights for his kin and against the Britsh intentions for decolonization. Rhodesia was never recognized as an independent country and the existing tabacco industry was nearly ruined by Smith`s resistance to cooperate. His and his government left half a billion dollars of foreign debts. Much like Mugabes idiocy today is ruining the rest of Zimbabwe, Smith exploited the country for his own benefits and egomaniac personality.

Robert Mugabe certainly wasn't a good choice, but if independence hadn't had to be achieved by war, but by consent, this would not have happened.
Debts would have been a fraction, export markets for tabacco would not have been lost and the black farming sector would not have been in fragments.

Smith left a legacy of economic desaster and Mugabe was by no means the man able to solve this. A bad egomaniac leader followed another.

[Felix the Cat]

^^ The Portuguese withdrew in 1974, SA withdrew its troops from Rhodesia in 1975, and joined the embargo in 1976

Pretoria was just acknowledging the obvious here, the defence of Rhodesia was no longer tenable with Mozambique (and Soviet assistance) right on its borders

[Kriger]

Zimbabwe's economy is based on tobacco exports?

Whether this is true or not, it is a good laugh.

[Larrikin]

Zimbabwe's economy is based on tobacco exports?

Whether this is true or not, it is a good laugh.
Tabacco yielded more than 50% of the foreign currency in Rhodesia at the time UDI began. Today it's about 10% in Zimbabwe.

[Larrikin]

There is a certain cultural influence, but if you question the behaviors of blacks, Id suggest a visit to Watts or Pretoria.
Just occured to me:
Looking at your signature I can see some cultural influence, but I actually fail to see that the cruel torturers are black...

[Kriger]

Tabacco yielded more than 50% of the foreign currency in Rhodesia at the time UDI began. Today it's about 10% in Zimbabwe.

If the backbone of Rhodesian economy is agriculture, the black Zimbabeans should have left the White Rhodesians alone. As it is, even with international support, Zimbabwe is quickly reverting to its original primitive state. This from the Overseas Security Advisory Council:

http://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=44214&print

Black Zimbabeans are destroying the civilization that White Rhodesians built.

How's the AIDS epidemic doing there, by the way. I am undestanding that at least one third of the population is HIV positive.

[calvin]

Mugabe is a blatant example how racist policies can devastate countries

No! Rhodesia and SA were economic powerhouses under White racist regimes; Mugabe is a blatant example of how Blacks cannot transcend the tribal phase of human development because of the innate limitations of their intellectual capabilities.

[Kriger]

International sanctions against Rhodesia was the major factor in destroying it's growing economy. The government of Ian Smith had no choice but to be forced out of power. The sanctions destroyed Rhodesian economy, not Ian Smith.

[calvin]

His (Smith’s)and his government left half a billion dollars of foreign debts

Incurred whilst fighting a civil war against communists.

Robert Mugabe certainly wasn't a good choice, but if independence hadn't had to be achieved by war, but by consent, this would not have happened.
Debts would have been a fraction, export markets for tabacco would not have been lost and the black farming sector would not have been in fragments

“This would not have happened”…South Africa is going to hell in slow motion the surrender of Whites has slowed the pace but the ultimate destination is the same; it would have happened.

“hadn't had to be achieved by war”…. It didn’t have to happen through war, Mugabe chose terrorism over peaceful resistance therefore he is just as responsible for Rhodesia’s post “liberation” financial situation as Smith is, blame Whitey just has more currency these days. If Whitey is solely responsible for post “liberation” debt, it must logically follow that Whitey was solely responsible for its pre-liberation prosperity, how about a thank you!

[Larrikin]

Incurred whilst fighting a civil war against communists.

“This would not have happened”…South Africa is going to hell in slow motion the surrender of Whites has slowed the pace but the ultimate destination is the same; it would have happened.

“hadn't had to be achieved by war”…. It didn’t have to happen through war, Mugabe chose terrorism over peaceful resistance therefore he is just as responsible for Rhodesia’s post “liberation” financial situation as Smith is, blame Whitey just has more currency these days. If Whitey is solely responsible for post “liberation” debt, it must logically follow that Whitey was solely responsible for its pre-liberation prosperity, how about a thank you!
If Ian smith would have agreed to the Briths plans and given up the minority controlled gevernment, there would have been no need for either resistance nor war or sanctions. His clinging to power and oppression of the black native majority of Zimbabwe lead to this course of actions, you can't just put the blame on the one resisting oppression.

And fighting for rightful share of control over the land of your ancestors instead of succumbing to the rule of foreigners can not be considered terrorism, though it is very popular (especially in America) to call anyone terrorist who is fighting you...

As I stated above Mugabe is today responsible for Zimbabwe's ruin, you accusation of blaming solely whites therefor is a false one.

[calvin]

If Ian smith would have agreed to the Briths plans and given up the minority controlled gevernment, there would have been no need for either resistance nor war or sanctions

You are a racist. You object to Smith’s government on the basis that it was the government of a “minority”. Smith’s government is deemed to be a “minority” government because it was a White government. Your condemnation is based on skin colour, thus you are a racist. My analysis of the value of the respective Rhodesian governments is based on economic performance, imposition of law, etc., and is therefore pragmatic. Racists who ignore capabilities in favour of skin shade really make me sick!

[Brechun]

Okay. Those posters were some pretty horrible people. Then again I'm not too bothered since, er, that's pretty much the same sort of material you see commonly on VNN, (draco being a regular poster over there, nice job d00d) niggermania, and newnation- or those loads of SF threads with people cheering on Russian skinheads killing foreigners. It's desensitizing all around.

Yet this obscure forum full of black supremacists warrants this?

What a shitty, fucking stupid thread.

[humphreyoconner]

Sexiest & Hardest Ghetto Black Male Felon Bragging Rights Competition 2007 (http://www.svengalimedia.com/race/sexiest_black_male_felon_2006.html)

Death by sexual torture: did Channon Christian want it? (http://www.svengalimedia.com/stories/channon_christian_deathsex_video.html)

These people who did this are disgusting. :starwars: :lies: :internut:

[ArmedWhiteGirl]

Not only are these so called people disgusting and vile animals, but they are also 100% batshit insane. Now I realize negroes don't have the highest IQ and all, but did they even think about how weird this sounds before they said it?:crazy:



And what might those bad behaviors, habits and values be? the ones that make a person compatible with civilization? Yes, that must be very difficult for a negro.


Exactly. Notice how many blacks will call a successful, educated black a "uncle Tom?" It's as though obeying laws that are for the good of everyone, and taking responsibility for your own actions are athema to "being black". It's actually an insult to blacks.
I hope the men and woman that committed this crime are gangraped everyday in prison, before they are executed. (Hopefully).....
Have you ever seen the website Svengalimedia? It celebrates and encourages black on white crime. They even have a contest for the biggest felon (killer of whites). It's truly sick.
Hunter

:thanks:

[ArmedWhiteGirl]

I want to hear from the color-blind crowd on their justification for this (the crime and the cover up).

justification for what? There is no justification for savages that kill anyone in the manner they did.......... blacks that celebrate this kind of crap are not HELPING race relations in this country, they are just revving up would be white supremists. Or is this the point?

I hope those breasts are gangraped everyday in prison before they are (hopefully) executed.

Hunter

:viking:

[Ratatoskur]

erm..yeah. Tittyfuck'em breasts silly. Serves'em right. Damn titties.

[ArmedWhiteGirl]

erm..yeah. Tittyfuck'em breasts silly. Serves'em right. Damn titties.


LOL...I meant to say "beasts...typo, my bad.

Hunter