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Felix the Cat
12-16-2005, 11:02 AM
US Jews feel threatened by religious right (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051215/us_nm/religion_jews_dc_1)

CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. Jewish leaders say they are increasingly worried that Christian conservatives want to turn America politically and culturally into a country that tolerates only their brand of Christianity.

"There is a feeling on all sides that something is changing," said Abraham Foxman, director of the New York-based Anti-Defamation League.

"The polls indicate a very serious thing -- that over 60 percent of the American people feel that religion and Christianity are under attack," he said on Thursday in an interview.

"Some are saying we are attacking (Christianity). This whole movement is not anti-Semitic or motivated by anti-Semitism. But sometimes unintended consequences are much more serious than intended" he added.

Foxman recently arranged a meeting in New York involving six Jewish organizations to discuss the problem. He said that while participants did not agree on the exact level of the problem, they felt a strategy was needed.

"It's not a war room strategy," he added. "It's to understand what's out there."

He said Jews are a people of faith but are opposed to anyone who would say only they know the truth and want to impose it on everyone else.

While every December brings disputes over what to call the "holiday season" and its trappings, the level of lobbying by those who fear Christmas is becoming something generic has been particularly high this year.

But the issues raised by Foxman and others goes much deeper into American society, ranging from challenges to teaching evolution to bans on abortion and same-sex marriage or deciding what kind of people who should serve on the U.S. Supreme Court.

"Every room (from bedroom to classroom) in the American mansion is under assault to impose either de facto or de jure a Christian theocracy -- I call them Christocrats," said Rabbi James Rudin, former head of interreligious activities for the American Jewish Committee.

"They are people who believe there should be a legally mandated Christian nation, where the concept of separation of church and state is weakened or abandoned," he added.

Rudin said he has met pastors "who say that Jesus Christ is the ultimate leader of America and that God's law trumps the Constitution ... I'm very concerned."

While far from all evangelical Christians hold those views, he said, the influence of those who do is strong.

Rudin, whose book "The Baptizing of America: The Religious Right's Plans for the Rest of Us" will be published in January by Avalon, said those with a theocratic agenda are not anti-Semites, and in fact some of them are among the strongest supporters of the state of
Israel.

But he said they are Christians who see secular humanists and globalists as their enemies and who feel they are being attacked.

Mathew (cq) Staver, general counsel of the Florida-based Liberty Counsel, a group which backs conservative Christian causes in court and which has been particularly active in Christmas-related issues, says "there is absolutely no effort that I'm aware of to theocratize America or put down other faiths to expand Christianity."

He credits the increased activity surrounding Christmas issues this year to three years of building an organization over the matter.

"People have said enough is enough," he said, citing such incidents as naming Boston's Christmas tree a "holiday tree" and the publication of a sales catalog by a major retailer which featured Kwanza and Hanukkah gifts but made no mention of Christmas.

President George W. Bush, who describes himself as a born-again Christian, also faced criticism recently for sending out cards wishing people a happy "holiday" season.

"This clearly demonstrates that the Bush administration has suffered a loss of will and that they have capitulated to the worst elements in our culture," William A. Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights told the Washington Post.

raven
12-16-2005, 02:03 PM
If anything I believe that the American Christendom Right for the most part is influenced by Judaism. American Christians (certaintly not all since there are some here) are all pro-jews, pro-Israel, the jews need to be protected until the Messiah comes, etc.

Starr
12-19-2005, 08:17 AM
Yes, the ADL has had quite a few articles on their website crying about the "christian right" recently. Other than jews, anyone want to take a guess as to what group of people make up the most radical supporters of Israel in the U.S.? And who it is that is also beating the war drums against all of Israels enemies most feverishly? Again the Jews may be showing they are not as smart as people make them out to be. Unless this is more about some trying to convince us that the Jews and the "religious right" are not joined at the hip.(not to sound like a nut who always needs to see a conspiracy-type angle.)

the other more likely option is that the jews know they can do whatever they want to these fools and they are either going to be too stupid to see the forest for the trees and/or they are not going to do anything about it, anyway.
the jews need to be protected until the Messiah comes

Petr
12-19-2005, 09:44 AM
Other than jews, anyone want to take a guess as to what group of people make up the most radical supporters of Israel in the U.S.? And who it is that is also beating the war drums against all of Israels enemies most feverishly? Again the Jews may be showing they are not as smart as people make them out to be.
Ah, but Jews never really trust the dispensational Christian right, no matter what. They feel like they are "riding the tiger," and that all this Christian energy among dispies may easily turn against them in a blink of an eye.


Also see these links to understand the Jewish distrust of dispies better:

http://www.americanvision.org/articlearchive/06-02-05.asp


The Dark Side of Dispensational Theology — The Future Jewish Holocaust

...

"But as I’ve shown, there is no way to dispute what dispensationalists teach about the future inevitable Jewish holocaust in which two-thirds of the world’s Jewish population must perish. Yes, dispensationalists write and preach that “all Israel will be saved” (Rom. 11:26), but not before most Jews are destroyed."


http://www.nypress.com/17/41/news&columns/feature.cfm


SAVE A JEW, SAVE YOURSELF!

...

"IF YOU'RE A JEW, put the paper down now, run to your door and lock it. If some beaming Ned Flanders type with a big helpful smile on his face rings your doorbell and says, "Is there a Jew in this house I can hug?" advise him to vacate the premises immediately, or you will sic upon him Baal, your starving Rhodesian Ridgeback.

Whatever you do, do not invite the Christian Zionist into your house. Because as much as he claims to love you and all of your fellow tribesmen, it's a different kind of love than you might expect. More like the love that the Manson Family had for Sharon Tate and her party guests."


Even without these peculiar doctrines, Jews know that among fanatically religious people, sentiments can change quickly and drastically. They just have a temporary marriage of convenience with them, like some WNs have with Islamic radicals.


Petr

Jimbo Gomez
12-19-2005, 10:10 AM
Biting the hand that feeds you, I wonder if that expression translates well in hebrew...

It's their typical chutzpa, the disgust they feel for those people who like them. I guess the price for eternal swindling is eternal mistrust.

Felix the Cat
12-19-2005, 10:16 AM
Very good article Petr.

I assume this Mark Ames is the same guy that runs eXile magazine?

Petr
12-19-2005, 11:23 AM
I assume this Mark Ames is the same guy that runs eXile magazine?
The one and the same. Ames is racially quarter-Jewish, spiritually a postmodern nihilist.


Petr

raven
12-19-2005, 01:53 PM
I remember this jew told me that she believed the US would likely break off from Israel in a few years. I don't see it. The Christian Right will not break off from the jews... I think we have reached the point of no return already. I am certaintly no Islamic sympathizer but when you have the west supporting jewry it is no secret as to why muslims are being hostile to those of european descent. I am pretty certain that if we never got involved in the creation of Israel and we never supported Israel the muslims would still be back in their homelands and wouldn't bother us unless we invaded their space.

Starr
12-19-2005, 05:43 PM
Ah, but Jews never really trust the dispensational Christian right, no matter what. They feel like they are "riding the tiger," and that all this Christian energy among dispies may easily turn against them in a blink of an eye.

Of course, the jews don't trust and also have contempt for the "religious right" but this doesn't stop the religious right from screaming the loudest in defense of Israel and jews. Even while they bitch about Christianity being removed from society not knowing or caring who it is that is overwelmingly behind it. This may come back to bite the Jews in the ass, but I don't see it happening anytime to soon.

I am certaintly no Islamic sympathizer but when you have the west supporting jewry it is no secret as to why muslims are being hostile to those of european descent

Especially when they say it over and over again. But of course, they are just terrorists who hate us because we are free.:222: