There are now 90 million Catholics in North America

[Lenny]

There are now 90 million Catholics in North America

77 million Catholics in the US
13 million Catholics in Canada

-Canada's 2001 Census determined there were 13 million Catholics in Canada
-Due to recent Catholic immigration the US has risen to 26% Catholic, the highest level ever http://www.thephora.net/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif
26% x 298 million population = 77 million papists


Now more true than ever:
"A Cargo of the Pope's Followers"
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[Jimbo Gomez]

Your country will be ours soon Lenny, you have nowhere left to hide.

[raven]

In Canada, Catholics = The French, The Irish, Some British Catholics + European Immigrant Catholics + some Non-white Catholics. Canada was once mostly Protestants over a decade back but now Catholics make up the largest religion.

In the US, Catholics = The Irish + Some early European settlers (some British/Dutch/etc.) + European Immigrant Catholics + The Mexicans. :p

They're taking over! ;) To be honest it's better we have Catholics in the US than the Evangelical christians like Bush who are rabidly pro-Israel and pro-Jews. The Catholic church only until the 60s I believe wasn't exactly pro-jewish. Far from it. They failed to recognize the jews because they rejected Christ. But thanks to PC that has changed. Shame. For all I know Pope Benedict who is pretty old-school (unlike PJP II) deep down probably is aware of the jewish problem but is afraid to speak of it or else he would be stripped of his place in the Vatican, German nationality, totally be ostracized, etc.

[Count Eustace II]

The Christian churches (Catholic or Protestant) are certainly no hinderance to the continuing Jewish takeover of the West, no matter how many people claim to be Catholic/Protestant. In fact, they are enablers of the Jewish takeover, and often, happily participate in their own demise.

This is not to say that Christianity has failed. The Jews are just smarter, more shrewd, without conscience, and cannot be outsmarted in this world, especially when they own the mass media and Christians don't.

Just remember, God works in mysterious ways. Have faith. Have patience. And have a good time.

[Kodos]

They're taking over! To be honest it's better we have Catholics in the US than the Evangelical christians like Bush who are rabidly pro-Israel and pro-Jews.

The influence of the church does much to protect the mexicans from expulsion, Israel otoh doesn't hurt me.

[Lenny]

I have made this map showing the Catholic population by state:


http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2351/catholicsbystate4px.gif

[Atlas]

I really don't see the problem with the US being more catholic.

[Lenny]

I really don't see the problem with the US being more catholic.Do you see the problem with Europe being more muslim? It is the same problem

[Atlas]

Do you see the problem with Europe being more muslim? It is the same problem

It depends, perhaps you prefer a darkie protestant over a white catholic, or you just don't care about race ?

[Geist]

I am glad to see the U.S. is starting to see the light :D

[Starr]

For all I know Pope Benedict who is pretty old-school (unlike PJP II) deep down probably is aware of the jewish problem but is afraid to speak of it or else he would be stripped of his place in the Vatican, German nationality, totally be ostracized, etc.


I had a small amount of hope for him when he made the anti-Israeli comments not too long ago, but he has, since then, been kissing their ass to make up for it. If he were to speak of the "jewish problem" all of these things you mention would happen, but being in the respected position he is in, not as many people, as they would hope, would be so quick to dismiss what he said, I wouldn't think. They would have to dig up a lot of dirt(real and not) on him, in the very least.

As for the thread topic, the only catholics I am concerned about mostly are the ever growing number of spics and those who support and enable turd world immigration, which many do, no doubt.

[brigadier Biggles]

Lenny youre surrounded by enemies what are you going to do ?.

[Lenny]

Lenny youre surrounded by enemies what are you going to do ?.They might have 90 million Catholics in North America, but we still have 180 million+ Protestants, meaning we still outnumber the Catholics two to one.

One hundred years ago the US was only 15% Catholic though, unfortunately today we are up to 26% Catholic :mad: :(

[raven]

They might have 90 million Catholics in North America, but we still have 180 million+ Protestants, meaning we still outnumber the Catholics two to one.

One hundred years ago the US was only 15% Catholic though, unfortunately today we are up to 26% Catholic :mad: :(
It's not Catholics you should be worried about but mestizos. They are the ones bringing up the Catholic rate and they breed like mad. You also shouldn't trust a black just because they tend to be Protestants (a minority are muslim).

[Lenny]

It's not Catholics you should be worried about but mestizos. They are the ones bringing up the Catholic rate and they breed like mad.Naturally. They are causing the Catholic percentage to rise in what may legitimately be called a Catholic invasion. They are moving here thousands by the day and 90% of them are Catholics :eek: :mad:

This Roman Catholic invasion is strongly supported and lobbied for by the Catholic Church (naturally), their goal being to weaken us and make the US more Catholic. The Catholic Church actively works against the US all the time, this being one of their biggest and most devastating campaigns against us currently, sending in and encouraging as many Catholics as possible to come here, getting them to permanently settle and avoid deportation, all the while strongly lobbying in favor of more immigration. They (Catholic Church) also work hard to aid and abet Catholic illegal immigrants.

It depends, perhaps you prefer a darkie protestant over a white catholic, or you just don't care about race ?I would be against the US becoming majority Catholic or majority non-white.

[raven]

Naturally. They are causing the Catholic percentage to rise in what may legitimately be called a Catholic invasion. They are moving here thousands by the day and 90% of them are Catholics :eek: :mad:

This Roman Catholic invasion is strongly supported and lobbied for by the Catholic Church (naturally), their goal being to weaken us and make the US more Catholic. The Catholic Church actively works against the US all the time, this being one of their biggest and most devastating campaigns against us currently, sending in and encouraging as many Catholics as possible to come here, getting them to permanently settle and avoid deportation, all the while strongly lobbying in favor of more immigration. They (Catholic Church) also work hard to aid and abet Catholic illegal immigrants.
I disagree with the Catholic Churches' policies regarding illegal immigration and every Catholic here does as well. There are many Catholics who are opposed to this. So why are you so afraid of us? :D


I would be against the US becoming majority Catholic or majority non-white.
If the US was majority Catholic it would mostly be mestizos. Mexican Illegal immigration is the problem. European Catholics aren't looking to immigrate to the United States now.

[Lenny]

So why are you so afraid of us?Wouldnt you oppose Portugal becoming muslim? Perhaps I should say right back to you: What are you so afraid of muslims for?

The fact of the matter is that this is not a Catholic nation and never has been, and naturally I oppose it becoming more and more Catholic for obvious reasons. Catholicism is an alien hostile religion, and the Catholic Church is a hostile foreign political power that works against us.

European Catholics aren't looking to immigrate to the United States now.Good. If they were looking to immigrate I would oppose it. Protestants welcome, Catholics not so welcome

[raven]

Wouldnt you oppose Portugal becoming muslim? Perhaps I should say right back to you: What are you so afraid of muslims for?
Islam has no place in Europe, North America or Australia. I'm not afraid of muslims per se, it's just that this culture tends to produce a disproportionate amount of degenerates.


The fact of the matter is that this is not a Catholic nation and never has been, and naturally I oppose it becoming more and more Catholic for obvious reasons. Catholicism is an alien hostile religion, and the Catholic Church is a hostile foreign political power that works against us.
But its becoming more Catholic because of the mestizos. European immigration is low now.


Good. If they were looking to immigrate I would oppose it. Protestants welcome, Catholics not so welcome
:rolleyes:

[Kodos]

I really don't see the problem with the US being more catholic.

The liberal NE and Calexico are full of Catholics, the real Norman Rockwell America( the Midwest the South, which holds true to the traditions of our fathers politically and hence has all the economic growth. Texas is a special case...) is all Protestant.

Catholicism brings subversion and social problems... except for the Wops( who almost universally hate the church they nominally belong to anyway, I firmly believe Italy only stayed with the RCC because they were one of the few countries that made money off the church).

[daisy]

deep down probably is aware of the jewish problem
sounds more like a catholic problem than a jewish problem

[raven]

deep down probably is aware of the jewish problem
sounds more like a catholic problem than a jewish problem
Yes we must stop those catholic albinos before they take over the country.

[Milesian]

The fact of the matter is that this is not a Catholic nation and never has been, and naturally I oppose it becoming more and more Catholic
So your logic is that the US has never been predominately Catholic, so it should not become so now?
Fair enough. But then you would also have to apply that logic to most Protestant countries which were previously Catholic. Do you disagree with their having become Protestant?
Somehow, I think you will abandon your own logic at this point.

for obvious reasons
Yes, you have an irrational fear of Catholicism, a religion you only know about from the writings of the Anti-Catholic reformers and Jack Chick comics.
Phobias can be treated these days, however.

Catholicism is an alien hostile religion, and the Catholic Church is a hostile foreign political power that works against us.
See what I said above about Protestant countries which were previously Catholic.

The liberal NE and Calexico are full of Catholics
They have been for centuries. Irish and Italians as well as Catholics of other nationalities have traditionally settled in the NE. As for California and Texas, well they were Mexican and Catholic before the USA took control of them. Perhaps these Metizso's are simply looking to restore those lands from a foreign hostile power ;)

Catholicism brings subversion and social problems
Yes, promotion of the family, opposition to divorce, abortion, homosexuality, base materialism, etc. Truly a worrying institution. It obviously goes against everything Uncle Sam stands for, eh?

[Starr]

Speaking of the pope and the jews, his latest installement:



VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict XVI, meeting with Rome's chief rabbi Monday, expressed pain and worry over outbreaks of anti-Semitism in the world and called on Jews and Christians to wage a united battle against hate.

Waves of violence and vandalism targeting Jews have hit Europe in the past few years. Last week, worshippers in a Moscow synagogue were attacked by a man with a knife.

Benedict did not mention specific occurrences of anti-Semitism in his speech to greet Rabbi Riccardo Di Segni in an audience at the Vatican.

The rabbi led a delegation from Rome's Jewish community, one of the oldest in the world.

The German-born pontiff said Jews and Christians have the responsibility to cooperate to promote justice, love and freedom.

"In the light of this common mission, we cannot not denounce and combat with decisiveness the hate and incomprehension, the injustices and the violence that continue to sow worry in the soul of men and women of good will," Benedict said.

"In this context, how can one not be pained and worried about the fresh outbreaks of anti-Semitism that are occurring?" the pope said.

Di Segni invited Benedict to visit Rome's main synagogue, noting the approaching 20th anniversary of Pope John Paul II's groundbreaking visit there, which helped repair centuries of poor Vatican-Jewish relations.

Benedict became the second pope in history to visit a Jewish house of worship--after John Paul II--when he went to the synagogue in Cologne, Germany, last summer during his first trip abroad since being elected pontiff in April.

The Cologne synagogue visit appeared to help smooth over Israeli-Vatican tensions that were sparked when Israel publicly took Benedict to task for not mentioning attacks on Israelis during a condemnation of terrorism.

Di Segni thanked Benedict for "denouncing anti-Semitism, past and present, for condemning fundamentalist terrorism, for his attention to the state of Israel, which, for all the Jewish people is an essential and central reference."

The rabbi said he was convinced that under Benedict, the Catholic Church's commitment to better relations with Jews would continue.

Benedict said he felt "great joy" over the rabbi's visit.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I don't expect them to start 'naming the jew', but kissing their ass every chance they get gets annoying for the observing Catholic.

[Kodos]

They have been for centuries. Irish and Italians as well as Catholics of other nationalities have traditionally settled in the NE. As for California and Texas, well they were Mexican and Catholic before the USA took control of them. Perhaps these Metizso's are simply looking to restore those lands from a foreign hostile power

And they've voted for liberals( with the exception of the Italians who politically tend to act like WASP) ever since.

Fuck the mestizo savages.

[Starr]

I don't expect them to start 'naming the jew', but kissing their ass every chance they get gets annoying for the observing Catholic.


It seems as if ever since he made that little Israeli slip up, he has been doing every thing he can to get back in their good graces. He must have been slapped around pretty good for that.

[The Retard]

It seems as if ever since he made that little Israeli slip up, he has been doing every thing he can to get back in their good graces. He must have been slapped around pretty good for that.

What Israeli slip up?

[Hakluyt]

See what I said above about Protestant countries which were previously Catholic.
This is about migration, not conversion; but of course we don't expect Milesian to follow the topic or conduct himself honestly in debate anyway, do we

Yes, promotion of the family, opposition to divorce, abortion, homosexuality, base materialism, etc. Truly a worrying institution. It obviously goes against everything Uncle Sam stands for, eh?
Catholicism in North America is a far different beast than the forms found in established European countries. In a minority-migrant (religiously, ethnically, economically) situation Catholic identity is inherently politicised, and forms part of the base for the perceived struggle against the predominant and native 'other' - Catholics played a large role in the deethnicisation of American and certainly Canadian identity

But I don't disagree with you that some of the fundamental aspects of the Church are sound, and the contrast to latter day Americanism, while irrelevant here, certainly is stark

[Milesian]

This is about migration, not conversion;
So religion doesn't enter into this? I assume then that if America were to become pred. Catholic by conversion that you would be fine with that?

but of course we don't expect Milesian to follow the topic or conduct himself honestly in debate anyway, do we
You attempts to discredit me at every turn are becoming almost pathological.
You realise, of course, that discrediting the speaker rather than refuting the argument is an under-hand tactic in the world of debating?

Ad Hominem, Launch Personal Attacks On Opponents

When you can't refute factual arguments, kill the messenger. Have fun with character assassination. Attack the arguer and not the argument. Ad Hominem includes slurs, slander, libel, innuendo, baseless accusations, irrelevant criticism, groundless denunciations, and name-calling.
For example,

"Maybe that book you quoted makes a good case, but I heard that the author is a drunk."
Or in your case - you simply cast doubt on my honesty.
your personal opinion of me is irrelevant, In future, I suggest you stick to the topic of debate.

Catholicism in North America is a far different beast than the forms found in established European countries.
Agreed.

In a minority-migrant (religiously, ethnically, economically) situation Catholic identity is inherently politicised, and forms part of the base for the perceived struggle against the predominant and native 'other'
"Native other"? You mean indigenous Native American religions?


- Catholics played a large role in the deethnicisation of American and certainly Canadian identity
Catholics were responsible for America being a "melting pot" and various European ethnicities interbreeding?
How so?
The immigrants were always a mixture of people. Spanish, French, English, Dutch amongst the first European settlers, followed by just about everyone else afterwards.

But I don't disagree with you that some of the fundamental aspects of the Church are sound, and the contrast to latter day Americanism, while irrelevant here, certainly is stark
Agreed again.

[Hakluyt]

So religion doesn't enter into this? I assume then that if America were to become pred. Catholic by conversion that you would be fine with that?
Yes... the issue is religious (but not only religious) change by migration.

You attempts to discredit me at every turn are becoming almost pathological.
What, you can't take a bit of criticism every second or third month (and on this forum exclusively) you decide to show up and switch on partisan mode? 'Pathological'...

As anyone can plainly see, your logic here is flawed, due either to ignorance or dishonesty - if you haven't any effective ad hominem to counter with, you may as well stick to defending yourself with your arguments

You realise, of course, that discrediting the speaker rather than refuting the argument is an under-hand tactic in the world of debating?
Ad hominem is a perfectly healthy contribution to any discussion where it's warranted - this is the Phora, not a peer-review journal

"Native other"? You mean indigenous Native American religions?
The Anglo-Protestant establishment - 'Americans', in other words. Many Catholics (anglo-catholics, scottish catholics, south german catholics) did identify with this as their own, however, and as the bit of text you quoted suggests the contrast with the native other was not a purely religious issue. A small number of respectful Catholics living in synchronicity with the rest of the population is no problem - when it facilitates a wider, popular class and social movement, we've got an alien and subversive organisation on our hands

Catholics were responsible for America being a "melting pot" and various European ethnicities interbreeding?
How so?
Again, it played a large role, it wasn't responsible. There's no doubt that the initial damage to the American ethnic group was done through their own individualism, and, like any small illness can do to a person, left them exposed to more severe disease naturally incurred by their demographic burden

We could get into this in some historical depth, but let me assure you there's no hope if your game is to argue against a Catholic hand in deculturation - I'm not claiming theirs was total responsibility, nor that it was necessarily a hostile endeavour, or even that Catholicism is incompatible with the sort of identity we're dealing with being eroded in the first place.

The immigrants were always a mixture of people. Spanish, French, English, Dutch amongst the first European settlers, followed by just about everyone else afterwards.
See my above points

[Lenny]

So your logic is that the US has never been predominately Catholic, so it should not become so now?
Fair enough. But then you would also have to apply that logic to most Protestant countries which were previously Catholic. Do you disagree with their having become Protestant?
Somehow, I think you will abandon your own logic at this point.America has always been a Protestant nation since the very beginning of white settlement here

Catholicism on the other hand is an alien religion to the US, and the Catholic Church is a hostile political power which has historically been a real menace and threat to the integrity and liberty of the US. The Catholic Church culturally and religiously undermines us, they further their agenda at our expense (and to our detriment), they work toward increasing their own political power at our expense, and they strongly promote Catholic immigration, all of these things being very detrimental to the Protestant US

Fair enough. But then you would also have to apply that logic to most Protestant countries which were previously Catholic. Do you disagree with their having become Protestant?I do not disagree with their having become Protestant at all. The issue is Protestant vs. Catholic, not "the religion that has always predominated in the nation should continue to predominate" vs. "a new religion should rise and take over"

As for California and Texas, well they were Mexican and Catholic before the USA took control of them. Perhaps these Metizso's are simply looking to restore those lands from a foreign hostile power ;)There were never many Mexicans living in what is now the US Southwest or Texas in the first half of the 19th century, the Mexicans claimed that land practically in name only, that's why it was so easy for American settlers in Texas to take over, there weren't hardly any Mexicans there

The immigrants were always a mixture of people. Spanish, French, English, Dutch amongst the first European settlers, followed by just about everyone else afterwards."A mixture of people" perhaps, but almost all of them Protestants. The number of Catholics was always low until Catholic immigration picked up from the late 19th century through the 1924 cutoff

So religion doesn't enter into this? I assume then that if America were to become pred. Catholic by conversion that you would be fine with that?If American people converted to Catholicism I certainly would not be fine with it, I would oppose it. Again, the issue here is Catholic vs. Protestant, not solely native religionists vs. foreign immigrant religionists, even though the two overlap in this case. The fact that today foreign adherents of an alien religion are coming en masse to the US and making the US more Catholic is especially inflammatory (and the subject of this thread)