Stalin's Ape-Man Army (WTF?)

[Sinclair]

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2434192005

THE Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents.

Moscow archives show that in the mid-1920s Russia's top animal breeding scientist, Ilya Ivanov, was ordered to turn his skills from horse and animal work to the quest for a super-warrior.

WHAT THE FUCK?

The best/worst bit is Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet planners and in 1926 he was dispatched to West Africa with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in impregnating chimpanzees. HE DID THIS HOW EXACTLY?

[Jimbo Gomez]

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2434192005



WHAT THE FUCK?

The best/worst bit is HE DID THIS HOW EXACTLY?

I'm not so sure he didn't find willing human cooperators in Africa...

[Felix the Cat]

rofl, nice find Sinclair

Mr Ivanov's experiments, unsurprisingly from what we now know, were a total failure. He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail.
err....

[Petr]

According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat."
:rolleyes:


"Now, perfected, my fighting Uruk-Hai. Whom do you serve?”

”STALI-MAN!”

“Hunt them down! Do not stop until they are found. You do not know pain, you do not know fear. You will taste Man-flesh!”


Seriously speaking, does anyone have a shred of doubt on what this grizzled old butcher would have been prepared to do if genetic engineering would have been available to him?

I already dealt the the issue of "communist eugenics" in here:

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19226&page=2&highlight=trotsky+genetic



Gene Expression has a piece on this theme, on how the development of technology has made Lysenkoan doctrines on the superiority of environmental conditioning (nurture, including alteration of genes) over inherited genes (nature) once again a serious alternative:


"Once we can artificially increase intelligence and change behavior, I predict that three factions will emerge. The first will be a commingling of the far right and the far left. While the far right's embrace of eugenics has been well documented, the far left may appear to be strongly opposed to such a notion. I submit that this is simply an illusion. Fundamentally, Marxism is committed to the reshaping of man through radical changes in the environment as promulgated by Lysenko. However, such radical changes were never enough to alter the nature of man. As E.O. Wilson famously said in reference to the evolutionary success of ant colonies, "It would appear that socialism really works under some circumstances. Karl Marx just had the wrong species." It is thus the bulwark of human nature that has served as a barricade against extremism.

"In my opinion, the reason that "genetic" is a bad word in universities today is that it is synonymous with "immutable" and is thus anathema to extreme nurturists. Once genetic engineering is demonstrated to succeed, those who opposed IQ testing and sociobiology out of pique over the "unfairness" of inborn differences will change their positions overnight. The last barricade will have fallen. Even the human genome will become a potential playground for extremists, and we will have to closely watch their actions."

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003555.html


If I have understood correctly, one of the main ideas of original Marxism was that the development of technology ("means of production") in the 19th century had reduced the traditional social structures hopelessly old-fashioned.

Could the genetic technology (on a Frankenstein mode) once again give Marxists an opportunity to proclaim that traditional genetic structures of man are on their way to the dustbin of history? Genetic neo-Marxism?


Petr


Petr

[Jimbo Gomez]

Petr: then it would have been up to you Finnish uebernords to stop him (let's continue your lotr analogy for a little while ;)).

[Ambrosio Spinola]

LOL, it was clear that it had to be the Bolsheviks who would go ahead and try to create the Uruk Hai :D (Cudos Petr ;))

One wonders what sort of aberrations must have happened upon Ivanov's arrival at Africa with all that cash. Not to talk about his doings in Georgia later on.

Makes a good theme for any sort of FPS type of PC game.

[daisy]

those hybrids already exist, they're called negroes
i figured they got that dark pigmentation from monkeys.
probally albinos and arabs are wearing monkey pigmentations now.
there is alot of albinos with madagascar afros and dark black skin pigmentations. they act white and look exactly like a dark black. they are showing (albino hair) white spots in their hair with age.
it was a large task to turn the black madagascar into albinos.
now it is a large task to turn the black nigerians into albinos.
they are stealing albino's grandchildren to use as breeding slaves on the nigerians.
albinos have lost their civil rights against the state baby stealers in america.

[Ixtab]

Obviously a hoax. I asked a friend of mine about this, who is an expert on Soviet history. This is what he said:



http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2434192005 . Unfortunately, when the follow-up article says 'cite' it doesn't mean 'reference' but merely 'claim'... The original article simply claims Politburo records of 1926 point to such a project, itself relying upon (unnamed) Moscow newspapers for the claim. It sounds like a gargantuan hoax.

[...]
I have finally found the original article.

The original (in Russian, obviously) appears to be here (http://www.mk.ru/newshop/bask.asp?artid=120866).

This newspaper story doesn't talk about Stalin or the Politburo. Rather, it talks of a Soviet scientist's alleged interest in creating an ape-man hybrid and takes a speculative tone. As the introduction reads (in part):

"From within the walls of the hospital administration of the Gulags the specimen of a new race emerged, a race which assumed the height of 1.8 metres beneath its covering of fur. The only drawback to this man-ape was its inability to reproduce. Such sensational information that refers to the work of a certain Soviet doctor has resulted in an extraordinary book by Belgian biologist Bernard Eivelson titled 'The Riddle of the Frozen Man' which has exploded on to the world stage. How much of this sensational story can be truthful?"

The answer to this rhetorical question is clear: next to none. The whole Western story seems to be based on a series of Chinese whispers, connected to a hypothetical science fiction book by a Belgian author, revolving around ideas in Bulgakov's Heart Of A Dog, combined with stories of real Soviet geneticists and no doubt some speculation as to Stalin's involvement.

And the original source, mk.ru, has a fame to be the most yellow among the most yellow Russian newspapers.