Galactica

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I just saw the new "movie" and the first four chapters of season 1. I must say I´m very pleased with the realistic and un-PC approach this series has.

[Felix the Cat]

Eh, isn't Starbuck a woman? :mad:

I've tried to avoid it since hearing of that...

[Aule]

It's actually very good.

[Felix the Cat]

It may well be good, but it's not Galactica

[Ambrosio Spinola]

It is DAMN good and you will instantly get amnesia about the old crappy Battlestar when you get into the complex plot of the story.

What I dont get is how the fark did the Cylons manage to infiltrate so many Human look alikes into this rag tag fleet. I thought I heard that there were only 12 models built. Not sure if they have like ten thousand of each version but it does not look like it.

[Aule]

It is DAMN good and you will instantly get amnesia about the old crappy Battlestar when you get into the complex plot of the story.

What I dont get is how the fark did the Cylons manage to infiltrate so many Human look alikes into this rag tag fleet. I thought I heard that there were only 12 models built. Not sure if they have like ten thousand of each version but it does not look like it.

They do. There are multiple copies of each of the twelve models.

A few of the mid-season episodes get a little boring (e.g. "Tie me up, Tie me down") but the end of season one will blow you away.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Just saw the end of season 1. What should have blown me away? the pregancy? The shooting of the General?

Twelve models? I think we have seen four so far, no?

Whats with Gaius? His chick can materialitze at will while on board?

When is season 2 out?

[Heimdall]

Battlestar Galactica’s second season finale will be extended to 90 minutes, although that still won’t be enough time to resolve the show’s myriad plot threads, Zap2it reports.
The finale will revolve around a coming election pitting current President Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell) and Gaius Baltar (James Callis), whom Roslin believes to be a Cylon collaborator. Also, the discovery of a planet that seems able to support human life forces the candidates to reconsider their search for planet Earth. The finale is scheduled to air on March 10 in the States.

Production on the third season is scheduled to begin in the spring.

SOURCE (http://www.star-ecentral.com/tvnradio/tracks/tracks.asp?file=archives/tracks/2006/2/2090minutese&date=2/20/2006)

[Heimdall]

I've missed most of this season unfortunately. I think the last episode I saw is when they discovered the Cylon baby's blood could cure Roslin's cancer. I was actually hoping she'd bite it, I really dislike the character.

[Kodos]

Whats with Gaius? His chick can materialitze at will while on board?


Hes probably a cylon...

[wintermute]

Peaceful, attractive worshippers of Apollo, Artemis, and Aphrodite who have created a prosperous, creative and orderly civilization are uttterly annhilated by fanatical monotheists who pursue a policy of crypsis in order to destroy the remnants of their parent civilization, party from religious zeal, and partly from - it is suggested - jealousy.

And this is supposed to be science fiction?

Fave moment: Laura Roslin, Secretary of Education and 42nd in line of succession for the presidency, learns that, owing to the genocide of the human race, she's now in charge, calmly turns to an aid and announces: "I'll need a priestess." Presently one - carrying a scroll! - is produced!

It's like LBJ, if he were an inhabitant of the Roman Empire - in the future!

Cf:

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/gal1.jpg

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/images/lbj-takes-oath.jpg

There are a lot of educated historical homages like that in the show, which I enjoy.

My favorite character is definitely Col. Tigh, who is plainly left over from the Nixon administration. The actor and character are great!

I've seen most of the show, and like other fans, was disappointed by the miraculous salvation of the President this season, the weakest yet. I recommend Seasons 1 and 2 wholeheartedly, though.

Wintermute

[Kodos]

Peaceful, attractive worshippers of Apollo, Artemis, and Aphrodite who have created a prosperous, creative and orderly civilization are uttterly annhilated by fanatical monotheists who pursue a policy of crypsis in order to destroy the remnants of their parent civilization, party from religious zeal, and partly from - it is suggested - jealousy.

The religion is probably just a pretext for eliminating their nearest competitor on the evolutionary chain.

[wintermute]

The religion is probably just a pretext for eliminating their nearest competitor on the evolutionary chain.

You been hitting the Dawkins recently, Weik?

Those Cylons, however reprehensible they might seem to me, do at least come off as devout.

WM

[Kodos]

You been hitting the Dawkins recently, Weik?

Those Cylons, however reprehensible they might seem to me, do at least come off as devout.

I haven't read Richard Dawkins. It just does not appear that in the context of an ultimate Cylon victory I don't think conversion could save a human from death... their ultimate objective is total annilhation of all humans without exception.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Is it me or the last episodes begin to suck majorly? Running out of ideas and the season is just half way?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Is it me or the last episodes begin to suck majorly? Running out of ideas and the season is just half way?

That last episode had an awesome spacebatte! I don't see what you mean.

Also, tonight's episode is a CYLON episode and should be pretty damned good.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Heh..that battle was about the only thing that redeemed that episode as the rest was trash IMHO. Lee is also now an official micegenator which does not give him many points in my books :D But seriously...his fling with that mullato girl is like taken out of thin air. Yet another Pegasus CO bites the dust and keeps up this weird story about "The Beast" doing its own thing which is a total joke. The abortion dilema was funny but cheap. The episode before that was even worse.

Btw...If they are being constantly monitored by the Cylon fleet, where do they plan to go? To earth along with that nice shadowing force?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Heh..that battle was about the only thing that redeemed that episode as the rest was trash IMHO.


It was pretty awesome to see the Pegasus in action. It seems much more like a battleship.


Lee is also now an official micegenator which does not give him many points in my books :D


That doesn't bother me. :p She's cute.


But seriously...his fling with that mullato girl is like taken out of thin air.


Thats how life is. Unspoken flirting can lead to a relationship. She's obviously been holding a candle.


Yet another Pegasus CO bites the dust and keeps up this weird story about "The Beast" doing its own thing which is a total joke.


No way, I think thats a legitimate issue in the show. There are no replacements. You have to take the best they've got. I think its cool because it illustrates the danger of systems organized around individuals. Kane obviously surrounded herself with creatures who were competant at their individual tasks but were also unlikely to question her orders. In a field of mediocrity she shined.

Without that individual, however, the entire structure rots. If Stalin had a heart attack in 1940, the USSR would have been the Pegasus. :p


The abortion dilema was funny but cheap. The episode before that was even worse.


I thought that abortion debate was excellent. Its a question that needed to be addressed, and the conclusion was ballsy. No more abortion. :D

AND it is an issue they can have in an election. Baltar played that one very well. Now he's the "Secular liberal candidate", a Cylon trojan horse. I thought you of all people would appreciate that. :p


Btw...If they are being constantly monitored by the Cylon fleet, where do they plan to go? To earth along with that nice shadowing force?

I get the impression that they feel Earth is able to deal with the Cylons.

[Heimdall]

Whats with Gaius? His chick can materialitze at will while on board?


Hes probably a cylon...

I caught tonight's episode and I think you might be on to something. An incoporeal Baltar was speaking to the newly awakened 6 sort of like what's going on with the current Baltar. I'm starting to think the Baltar on Galactica is a Cylon, with the real Baltar dying in the bombing in Caprica.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Cylons have used copies rather generously given the very high concentration of 8 Cylon agents in 50.000 rag tag fleet (not counting those already fragged). And they would have wasted the Baltar Clon infiltration posibilities (There are only 12 copy types) with a single copy model? I mean, that guy was some sort of celebrity eminence already back at Caprica. Its like having a Bill Gates Cylon...Its not a face you can re-use much out there in the world infiltrating space ships or defense organizations. It would have been quite a waste.

The battle was nice but this whole cheesy idea of this CO going on like he cares less about the rest of the fleet or the new "Admiral" Adama makes no sense to me. At this point where you know its just you 50.000, thats it, playing individualist military Honorisms makes no sense and makes the series look stupid. No one would put the survival of the whole species in jeoparty out of stupid pride games.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Cylons have used copies rather generously given the very high concentration of 8 Cylon agents in 50.000 rag tag fleet (not counting those already fragged). And they would have wasted the Baltar Clon infiltration posibilities (There are only 12 copy types) with a single copy model? I mean, that guy was some sort of celebrity eminence already back at Caprica. Its like having a Bill Gates Cylon...Its not a face you can re-use much out there in the world infiltrating space ships or defense organizations. It would have been quite a waste.


My theory is that Baltar DIED on Caprica. You can't survive a nuclear blast even hiding behind your cylon girlfriend's skirts. :p

And if it killed her, and destroyed the house, he's obviously dead. They built a SINGLE Baltar model, I think, to deal with the fleet. I don't think he's included in that "12 versions" since there was no Baltar model when she gave him that number. She was talking to the human Baltar.

Its the only explanation for why he sees her, just as she sees him.


The battle was nice but this whole cheesy idea of this CO going on like he cares less about the rest of the fleet or the new "Admiral" Adama makes no sense to me.


He thinks the ship should be run like Engineering. He considers them incompetant.


At this point where you know its just you 50.000, thats it, playing individualist military Honorisms makes no sense and makes the series look stupid. No one would put the survival of the whole species in jeoparty out of stupid pride games.

I think that at 50,000 people leadership testing becomes all the more important. If it wasn't a drama series I was watching, and an actual decision between answering the distress call of my pilots or not, I might gamble on it too.

Though he should have done what the Admiral told him and send a squad of fighters rather than the whole ship. But he died for it, and he died well, and I liked seeing the battle.

[Kodos]

My theory is that Baltar DIED on Caprica. You can't survive a nuclear blast even hiding behind your cylon girlfriend's skirts.

And if it killed her, and destroyed the house, he's obviously dead. They built a SINGLE Baltar model, I think, to deal with the fleet. I don't think he's included in that "12 versions" since there was no Baltar model when she gave him that number. She was talking to the human Baltar.


Yep this Baltar is a Cylon.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

So wait....Baltar dies in the Nuke explosion (Not like the Nuke fell anywhere near him, blast wave does not need to kill you, skirts nonwhithstanding). Yet one hour later Cylons have already managed to get the copy right to the spot where by pure chance Hello makes his landing and does the lottery on who will board? Remember it was Hello who insisted on taking Baltar on board, even against the wishes of Cylon Sharon. Hell, even Baltar himself fought against his evil self and pointed out the old lady having the winning ticket, wouldn´t it have been for Hello and him recognizing Baltar as the eminence he was (nobody else seemed to have noticed him) and himself choosing to sacrifice himself for that last spot onboard that shuttle taht would have been it. Hell of a way of using your only Baltar copy IMHO. Also I find it would be quite a waste sacrificing the great potential of the inner remorse of this man who is guilty of the destruction of most of his species. In any event, the latest developments on his character in the lateste episodes rather show a lack of imagination by the writer team rather than some well thought out plot. Him handing over a nuke to the Cylon agent and this last power play are just stupid and detract quite some of this otherwise tragic figure.

On the leadership thing...I still find it very stupid all this selfish stuff in a 50.000 survivor fleet. Most of the stuff we see on the series would have never taken place under those conditions. I mean, C´mon, every day/week or so they engage Cylon raiders and the occasional Basestar. I mean, its clear that the feeling on board would be a constant fear for the very survival. Instead we have all this "freedom" crap and fleet infighting which in the conditions they are make little to no sense.

[Kodos]

So wait....Baltar dies in the Nuke explosion (Not like the Nuke fell anywhere near him, blast wave does not need to kill you, skirts nonwhithstanding). Yet one hour later Cylons have already managed to get the copy right to the spot where by pure chance Hello makes his landing and does the lottery on who will board?

Why not? They've been planning this... you may have a point about Sharon not wanting him on board but him being a Cylon explains a lot( ive only really seen the 1st season missed it and got the DVDs) so I can't comment on anything recent.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I´m not saying the producers will not end up making a Cylon out of him just for the sake of shock and suspense. I´m saying it did not make much sense in season 1 and most of season 2. Now I find he is getting morphed into something else.

And they have been planning what exactly? Galactica to survive and set up a refugee fleet along with Roslin? I think not. Right after the Ragnar anchorage scene you see quite some Cylon copies discussing the new turn of events amongst themsleves and deciding right there and then to chase these survivors because of the "revenge" that would come up them if they would not finish the job. That this might have turned into some ad-hoc lets take advantage of this and try to find earth and blast them all together does not mean this was the initial plan. I do not think the Galactica fleet was formed and let go out of "a plan". The plan of Cylons being to rebuild the 13 colonies and filling them with human-cylon hybrids IMO.

[Kodos]

And they have been planning what exactly? Galactica to survive and set up a refugee fleet along with Roslin? I think not. Right after the Ragnar anchorage scene you see quite some Cylon copies discussing the new turn of events amongst themsleves and deciding right there and then to chase these survivors because of the "revenge" that would come up them if they would not finish the job. That this might have turned into some ad-hoc lets take advantage of this and try to find earth and blast them all together does not mean this was the initial plan.

Having not even seen the ones outside of season 1 I had already speculated that was the plan just that it was highly secret( need to know basis among the Cylons and all that).

[Sulla the Dictator]

So wait....Baltar dies in the Nuke explosion (Not like the Nuke fell anywhere near him, blast wave does not need to kill you, skirts nonwhithstanding).


True. But I would say the odds are you would die.


Yet one hour later Cylons have already managed to get the copy right to the spot where by pure chance Hello makes his landing and does the lottery on who will board?


We don't know if it was an hour later. In fact, it probably wasn't. Remember they landed in a rural area, where people had gathered running from the city. That strikes me as a couple of days.

In fact, if I remember Baltar's house, it was on a lake or something. Why would they nuke anywhere near it? Unless they wanted to make sure he died.


Remember it was Hello who insisted on taking Baltar on board, even against the wishes of Cylon Sharon.


Sharon is a strange cylon, who thinks she's human. She objected because she 'loves' people, and Helo would have had to stay.


Hell, even Baltar himself fought against his evil self and pointed out the old lady having the winning ticket, wouldn´t it have been for Hello and him recognizing Baltar as the eminence he was (nobody else seemed to have noticed him) and himself choosing to sacrifice himself for that last spot onboard that shuttle taht would have been it.


Thats true. But my guess is that the Cylons thought that Baltar would be invaluable for mankind as a scientist. They were right. They probably assumed they would take him up regardless. They didn't think there would be a raffle. Also, Sharon fought against her evil self too and saved the fleet when it was searching for water instead of detonating the bomb she had by her seat. The cylons are a complicated people.


Hell of a way of using your only Baltar copy IMHO.


Well, you've got to think of a reason for why he sees "six" all the time, and how he has access to information no one but a Cylon would have. Why is he so easily convinced in Cylon arguments? Why do the Cylons do things that only Baltar can stop, and each time he stops it he advances in rank and responsibility in the fleet.


Also I find it would be quite a waste sacrificing the great potential of the inner remorse of this man who is guilty of the destruction of most of his species.


He has no inner remorse. He's a selfish prick, even if he's human. Thats his beauty. His concern has never been 'guilt', its been 'getting caught'. When the President thought him guilty of what he actually did, THEN you saw him frantic and unhinged.

He has in fact accused other people of being Cylons to save his own skin. And remember, he hid the fact that Sharon was a Cylon. Why?

After she left his office she couldn't have hurt him. He could have gone straight to the bridge and reported it. He's given a nuclear device to the other "Six" leading the Cylon sympathizers.

No, he's a Cylon. I don't think its a waste either, because he's a complicated character. He's everything the Cylons loathe about mankind. He will run as the secular liberal candidate against the 'rightist, fanatical Rosaline'. He'll be backed by that Marxist terrorist fellow. It'll be pretty neat.

I've got a theory that the Cylons allowed this fleet to come together because they are seeking the human "Gods" to destory them, and they think they're on Earth. They need to find Earth, and they need this fleet to find it.

Its at essence a religious war for them.


In any event, the latest developments on his character in the lateste episodes rather show a lack of imagination by the writer team rather than some well thought out plot. Him handing over a nuke to the Cylon agent and this last power play are just stupid and detract quite some of this otherwise tragic figure.


LOL He's the farthest thing from a tragic figure. He's an arrogant, self absorbed monster. He did it out of love, and vengeance. I think it was very clever. I think the Cylon appeasers are a clever subversive group too. That has a lot of potential.


On the leadership thing...I still find it very stupid all this selfish stuff in a 50.000 survivor fleet. Most of the stuff we see on the series would have never taken place under those conditions.


Thats true. There wouldn't even be a government. The people would CLING to that Battlestar like children to their mother and obey whatever edicts it made.

But that doesn't make for good drama. I like the way it shakes out. This is the only way you can have a dramatic sci-fi series, instead of a series of battles without any hope of resolution. The Battlestar Galactica can't defeat the entire Cylon menace.


I mean, C´mon, every day/week or so they engage Cylon raiders and the occasional Basestar. I mean, its clear that the feeling on board would be a constant fear for the very survival. Instead we have all this "freedom" crap and fleet infighting which in the conditions they are make little to no sense.


There have been plenty of cases in history where people quibbled about minutae as their Empires were falling down around their ears. When my country ends, there will still be people debating about his vital it is for women's sports to be funded equally with mens, etc. :p

[Ambrosio Spinola]

As I said to Weikel. I too feel he might become a Cylon for the sake of the show but initially I do not think that was the case. If you really think the whole Helo picking him up in the middle of nowhere amongst maybe 30 other rag tag survivors is a Cylon plan..well....I do not.
Nor do I think the fleet was let to be formed as to hunt those "human Gods". I think it was ad-hoc following the Ragnar anchorage scene. Pegasus also had its own refugee fleet but no means to do the whole Kobol thing. Was Pegasus also allowed to exist out of a plan? Nope...they were also having a software overhaul which was as accidental as having the Galactica turn into a museum. Those ships on board of Galactica that did have the rotten software did get destroyed in the initial clashes. That the fleet would have behaved like it did was pure coincidence. The whole Kobol thing was Roslin´s deal not Baltar´s who was pretty much against it (not very Cylon, right?).

About Baltar and his "visions". I´m sure there is/was a good plot for that in season 1 and since it was never really explained it left the door open for what we are seeing now. That he might become a Cylon for the show´s sake is one thing, that it makes sense with what he was in season 1 (and most of two) does not IMHO. He got picked up by sheer luck, not some clever devised Cylon plan. Unless we think Helo is a Cylon agent too.

Hey..btw...Since we know Cylon females become all to visible during intercourse at doggy style. Hey..best Cylon detector ever :D

[Kodos]

I've been watching the miniseries, why wouldn't they wait one more day for Adama to retire and the Galatica to be decomissioned( all the others were networked) unless they intended to follow it. The plot on this BG is tight and the Cylons wouldn't make such a mistake after years of planning unless they wanted to follow it somewhere... Im not sure why the Cylons wish to go to earth but I think that is the plan... Im not sure its religious, the Cylon religion in all cases seems to be a justification for what they would want to do anyway.


Thats true. There wouldn't even be a government. The people would CLING to that Battlestar like children to their mother and obey whatever edicts it made.

The government would be of whoever controlled the ship... which in practice it mostly has been( 1st season anyway, there is a big exception to that in the last episode...).

But that doesn't make for good drama. I like the way it shakes out. This is the only way you can have a dramatic sci-fi series, instead of a series of battles without any hope of resolution. The Battlestar Galactica can't defeat the entire Cylon menace.

Most of them are hooked together tommorow in a sort of semi hive mind, if a virus could be devised similar to what they use against networked computers...

[Kodos]

As I said to Weikel. I too feel he might become a Cylon for the sake of the show but initially I do not think that was the case. If you really think the whole Helo picking him up in the middle of nowhere amongst maybe 30 other rag tag survivors is a Cylon plan..well....I do not.

That has a simple resolution, Helo was also a Cylon. Sharon thought she was human and acted as such 99% of the time so her being against picking up Baltar didn't mean much.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Helo was also a Cylon.

So Cylon Sharon is pregnant to another Cylon...

I've been watching the miniseries, why wouldn't they wait one more day for Adama to retire and the Galatica to be decomissioned( all the others were networked) unless they intended to follow it.

Awww...C´mon..So the whole Cylon plan is about Roslin getting on board that day of her decomisioning, have her take power and decide to save as many civilians as they can, against the wishes of Adama who wanted to get back there and fight it out? Pretty flimsy plan if you ask me. Pegasus was not networked either..also in the plan? I prefer the idea of a creative and adaptative Cylon mentality that once faced with the refuee fleet decides to follow them. As said, all this makes sense with what the Cylons at Ragnar Anchorage seak amongst themselves. They decide there and then what to do with this fleet and there were Cylosn talking about destroying them and other of leaving them be. Quite some plan.

[Kodos]

So Cylon Sharon is pregnant to another Cylon...

Haven't seen anything in the 3rd season so had to look that up, it does rule out Helo. Still think Baltar is a Cylon though.

Pegasus was not networked either..also in the plan?

1 battleship is a necessity, two aren't. Got lucky I guess...