Former Phora regular "friedrich braun" makes an ass of himself at the VNN Forum...

[Petr]

F.W. Braun aka friedrich braun...

Remember this guy? A former regular poster on both Original Dissent and Phora forum (he stormed out of Phora in the late 2004 when FadeTheButcher turned against Nazism).

I ran upon this piece while taking a casual peek at what VNN Forum kooks are up to these days. (both Braun and NeoNietzsche are now posters there)

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=27592

Braun seems to have gone to the deep end, happily fulfilling the stereotype of an angry and clueless WN pagan: a guy who seems to think that just about any religion is better than the one that European culture is based upon, and who also "thinks with his pecker" on such a deep subject:



For WNs Islam is preferable to Christianity


For WNs Islam is preferable to Christianity One of the reasons why WNs should favour Islam over Christianity concerns Christianity's deranged, psychotic, sick attitude towards sexuality. One of the reasons Nietzsche hated Christianity was that it "made something unclean out of sexuality", whereas Islam is sex-positive.

For e.g., Al-Suyuti (died 1505 C.E.), Qur'anic commentator and polymath wrote:

Each time we sleep with a houri [a sensuous and always sexually available dark-eyed virgin Muslims meet in Paradise] we find her virigin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; The sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim], will marry seventy [sic.] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.

One cannot imagine the staid, ascetic, anti-sex Church fathers writing ecstatically of heavenly and multiple sex as Al-Suyuti did.

One of the reasons why birth-rates of Whites in the West are in severe decline stems from the fact that Christianity saddled sex with all sorts of moral taboos, which have remained with the post-Christian West even though Christianity is in total free-fall. Further, I submit that those psychologically weak Whites who need an imaginary sky-god to give meaning to their lives, should contemplate converting to a manly, virile, life-affirming, two-fisted faith (as the French Revisionist and philosopher Roger Garaudy did), and turn their back on the peecee, anti-White, feminist, pro-minority, pro-immigration, decadent, homosexual, Zionist Christianity of most Christian Churches.

If I was a religious person, I wouldn't hesitate...addtionally, Muslims and Whites share the same deadly Enemy and should/must unite to combat Him, since their mutual survival depends on it.


Petr

[1-800]

If I was a religious person, I wouldn't hesitate...addtionally, Muslims and Whites share the same deadly Enemy and should/must unite to combat Him, since their mutual survival depends on it


Him...is he talking about Jews or God? :rofl:

[OVERWATCH]

For e.g., Al-Suyuti (died 1505 C.E.), Qur'anic commentator and polymath wrote:

Each time we sleep with a houri [a sensuous and always sexually available dark-eyed virgin Muslims meet in Paradise] we find her virigin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal;


I-Slam is a poofter religion par excellence.

Fred Brown and many other assorted nutzis are in reality confused, anti-western, gloomy guses totally out of touchy with reality or practicality, and will remain, for the rest of their lives, unwitting laughing stocks, totally marginalised, their only use being that of a fun target of derision.

[Petr]

Even more depressing is that Braun is actually following the example of Nietzsche quite faithfully in this tomfoolery:

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20621&page=2


From Nietzsche's book The Antichrist:

"If Islam despises Christianity, it has a thousandfold right to do so: Islam at least assumes that it is dealing with men. . . .

60.

"Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (--I do not say by what sort of feet--) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin--because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life! . . . The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust--a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very "senile."--What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich. . . . Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won . . . The German noble, always the "Swiss guard" of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church--but well paid. . . Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious. . . Christianity, alcohol--the two great means of corruption. . . . Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity than there is between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is already reached; nobody remains at liberty to choose here. Either a man is a Chandala or he is not. . . . "War to the knife with Rome! Peace and friendship with Islam!": this was the feeling, this was the act, of that great free spirit, that genius among German emperors, Frederick II. What! must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, before he can feel decently? I can't make out how a German could ever feel Christian. . . . "

http://www.fns.org.uk/ac.htm


Petr

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I thought he had a run in with Wehr and renounced National Socialism or at least thats what I heard.

[Petr]

Didn't Fred used to date a Jewess at some point? :p


Petr

[Sinclair]

Ah, Friedrich Braun. Hi-larious.

Remember Wehr's "Sand Wigger" phase? Didn't he have a Saddam Hussein sig for a while?

[Crowley]

Didn't Fred used to date a Jewess at some point? :p


Petr

Who hasn't?

[daisy]

those psychologically weak whites who need an imaginary sky-god to give meaning to their lives
imaginary sky God!
looks like muslims are thinking with their d*cks about imaginary vaginas
lol that is funny the guy on the comedy channel just said
"how do muslims think they are gonna find 72 virgins in heaven
when i can't even find one virgin here on earth"

the muslims got it mixed up anyway. when you die you don't get a virgin to have sex with.
you get a new human body that your soul goes into. that new human body is a virgin body.
you are reincarnated into a new virgin human body.
_
the sword of islam
extremists are working single-mindedly to turn america into an islamic state
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html
michigan news
http://www.michnews.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/113/4397
_

[FranzJoseph]

Braun seems to have gone to the deep end, happily fulfilling the stereotype of an angry and clueless WN pagan: a guy who seems to think that just about any religion is better than

He was probably just pissed about something so he's putting on a rag.

Not to be confused with female cycles, a rag is a type of rant where you don't say precisely what's bugging you. Instead you take the most outrageous position possible and watch the rubble bounce as everyone misinterprets you.

I cannot imagine a pagan, even the simple philosophical sort, having anything positive to say about Islam apart from its understandable annoyance with a nation upwind from them.

This is the reason, it must be. Fred gave me reputation points long ago in a forum far, far away, and it was during one of my dry spells so I considered it damned decent of the fellow. If he's venting some frustration, who among us (as the xians say) would cast the 1st stone?

Okay, the second stone, since the first has already been launched.

[6(sic)6]

will marry seventy [sic.] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.[/B]


I agree 100%!
Vaginas everywhere! Sure sounds like heaven!:hump:

[Petr]

I agree 100%!
Vaginas everywhere! Sure sounds like heaven!:hump:
...says a person of Albanian origin, i.e. culturally (if not officially) a White Muslim. Makes sense. :rolleyes:


Petr

[Petr]

I cannot imagine a pagan, even the simple philosophical sort, having anything positive to say about Islam apart from its understandable annoyance with a nation upwind from them.

This is the reason, it must be.

You are wrong, for many noted neo-pagans have indeed shown appreciation towards Islam. There is no limit to irrationality that blind hatred of Christianity can lead one to.


We have already witnessed Nietzsche's anti-Christian philo-Islamism, now let's hear Julius Evola:

http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/islam.html


"Islam, which originated among the Semitic races also consisted of the Law and Tradition, regarded as a formative force, to which the Arab stocks of the origins provided a purer and nobler human material that was shaped by a warrior spirit. The Islamic law (shariah) is a divine law; its foundation, the Koran, is thought of as God's very own word (kalam Allah) as well as a nonhuman work and an "uncreated book" that exists in heaven ab eterno. Although Islam considers itself the "religion of Abraham" it is nevertheless true that (a) it claimed independence from both Judaism and Christianity; (b) the Kaaba, with its symbolism of the center, is a pre-Islamic location and has even older origins that cannot be dated accurately; (c) in the esoteric Islam tradition, the main reference point is al-Khadir, a popular figure conceived as superior to an pre-dating the biblical prophets (Koran 18:59-81).


Evola says that Islam is superior to Christianity by subscribing to a higher esoteric "tradition":

"Finally, Islam presents a traditional completeness, since the shariah and the sunna, that is, the exoteric law and tradition, have their complement not in vague mysticism, but in full-fledged initiatory organizations (turuq) that are categorized by an esoteric teaching (tawil) and by the metaphysical doctrine of the Supreme Identity (tawhid). In these organizations, and in general in the shia, the recurrent notions of the masum, of the double perogative of the isma (doctrinal infallibility), and of the impossibility of being stained by any sin (which is the perogative of the leaders, the visible and invisible Imams and the mujtahid), lead back to the line of an unbroken race shaped by a tradition at a higher level than both Judaism and the religious beliefs that conquered the West."


He also admired Islam for not subscribing to the doctrine of Original Sin - which happens to be an absolutely necessary brake to prevent the birth of an insanely utopian perfectionism:

"Islam rejects a theme found in Judaism and that in Christianity became the dogma and the basis of the mystery of the incantation of the Logos; it retains, sensibly attenuated, the myth of Adam's fall without building upon it the theme of "original sin". In this doctrine Islam saw a "diabolical illusion" (talbis Iblis) or the inverted theme of the fall of Satan (Iblis or Shaitan), which the Koran (18:48) attributed to his refusal, together with all his angels, to bow down before Adam.


In Islam, Evola also finds an example of his personal concept of "spiritual race":

"It is precisely through the holy war, and not through preaching or missionary endeavor, that Islam came to enjoy a sudden, prodigious expansion, originating the empire of the Caliphs as well as forging a unity typical of a race of the spirit, namely, the umma or "Islamic nation".


Some other personalities:

Rudolf von Sebottendorff, the founder of Thule Gesellschaft, the predecessor of Nazi Party:

"Sebottendorff believed that the esoteric tradition of Sufism was the purest stream of wisdom and that it had nourished European occultism through astrologists, Rosicrucians and authentic freemasons of the Middle Ages. He claimed:

"No one can accuse me of profanation, nor of sacrilege in uncovering the course of these mysteries...It is the means that the communities of dervishes traditionally use in order to acquire special strength by means of unusual techniques. They are, for the most part, men who aspire to the highest rite, that from which come those who have been prepared for their missions as spiritual leaders of Islam... This high rite is the practical basis of Freemasonry, and it inspired in times past the work of the alchemists and of the Rosicrucians...But to reply to the accusation of my being guilty of some kind of treachery: I say to you plainly that this book has been written on the instructions of the leaders of the Order." 7

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/sebottendorff_r.html


Rene Guénon and Frithjof Schuon, major players in the "New Right" school of thought:

"The late Frithjof Schuon, a Traditionalist who (like (Réne) Guénon) converted to Islam, finding it the best embodiment of the “perennial wisdom”, ..."

http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/downloads/books/aid.htm#Chapter1Section1SubSection6

"Schuon, the son of a German musician resident in Switzerland, had left school at sixteen and later moved to Paris,(43) where an interest in religions(44) led him to read extensively on Hinduism and Buddhism, and finally led him to the works of Guénon. In the early 1930s, Schuon wrote from Paris to Guénon in Cairo, asking him to recommend a 'master.' Guénon replied that he should go to Ahmad ibn Mustafa al-Alawi (1869-1934), then at Mustaghanim (Algeria).(45)"

http://www.aucegypt.edu/faculty/sedgwick/tradsuf.htm


And how could we forget these two fellows:

Himmler said:

“ [I] have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10

Hitler said:

"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -Already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity!- Then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."

(August 28, 1942)

Hitler's Table Talk; 1941-1944, translated by N. Cameron and R.H. Stevens, Enigma Books (1953)

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18584&page=3&highlight=gosh



Petr

[Hakluyt]

FB goes in and out on nazism, and his ever weirder relationship with Wehr, every year or so. First it was Wehr finding out he had a Polish girlfriend, forcing him to break up with her and denounce the Poles as an inferior people. Then FB denounced nazism as responsible for Western decline and took up some kind of defence of the Poles. Now this. A strange, uninteresting man indeed

[FranzJoseph]

many noted neo-pagans have indeed shown appreciation towards Islam.

None I know, anyway. Evola is a bit of a nit. On the other hand, Gurdjeiff (whose nameday is celebrated by the Eastern Orthodox, or was) said a few good things about Sufism. Can't remember where. George Ivanovich thought they were right about something, probably having to do with Dervish Dancing. He borrowed a few ideas from them, he said. But who knows what sort of private joke G.I. Gurdjeiff might have been working on?

I still suspect Freddy Braun, on the other hand, of pulling everyone's chain. :D

[6(sic)6]

...says a person of Albanian origin, i.e. culturally (if not officially) a White Muslim. Makes sense. :rolleyes:


Petr
I dunno about you but I don't say no to pussy!;)

[Petr]

Thomas Fleming comments on the philo-Islamic phenomenon:


"The Fourth Crusade set the pattern for succeeding centuries, when European rulers took one of two approaches: 1) a pragmatic and often cynical desire to use Serbs, Romanians, and Bulgars as cannon fodder against the Turks; 2) an even more cynical and usually futile plot to use the Turks to prevent any Christian rival, whether Western or Eastern, from establishing hegemony within the Balkans. This was the policy of the French against their Hapsburg rivals, and the policy of England against Russia. Part of the motivation behind the French and English policies was Realpolitik; part of it may have simply been envy. But French and English leaders would not have supported The Ottoman Empire, if they were not fundamentally more sympathetic to Islam than to Christianity.

We often think that the West’s tilt toward Islam began with the post-Christian English adventurers—Lawrence of Arabia, Sir John Glub—Pasha Glub, as he was known, but it is much older. Older than the explorer and pornographer Sir Richard Burton, older than Montesquieu and other Enlightenment philosophers who portrayed Muslims as representatives of a wisdom that surpassed that of Christian Europe. A typical and very influential English example of this tendency is Edward Gibbon, author of The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, the only English literary classic to take up the conflict between the Byzantine Empire and the Muslims. Gibbon makes no secret of his admiration of the Turks, and he derides both the effeminate Greeks and the crude Franks who went on the First Crusade. Why?

The simple answer is that Gibbon was a religious skeptic, and like other skeptics of the 18th century, he was irritated by Christian morality that told him to take only one wife, whom he could not divorce. The sensuality of the Muslim view of life and the afterlife and the cynicism of its politics appeals to the imagination of anti-Christian skeptics of every age and, at the very least, prepares them to take the Muslim side in every Balkan war. Was it merely Realpolitik that caused Benjamin Disraeli to support Turkey against Russia and to turn a blind eye to the sufferings of Balkan Christians? Was it merely sentimentality that caused his rival, William Gladstone, to champion the cause of the Greeks and Serbs. Perhaps it is no accident that Gladstone was a pious Christian and Disraeli was not."

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Fleming/NewsTF100203.html


You know, it is only natural for many post-Christian, might-is-right Western Europeans to favor Muslims over weaker Eastern Christians.

Already after the World War I, many post-Christian Frenchmen seem to have also given up any sympathies for the plight of Eastern Christians:


French sentiments, especially as regards England, are revealed in a work by the French writer, Michel Paillares, entitled Le Khemalism devant Les Allies, published in 1922. Monsieur Paillares is one of the editors of the journal L’Eclaire of Paris.

The following quotation is from one of the conversations held by Paillares with French officers at Constantinople, showing their strong pro-Turk, anti-Christian and anti-English feelings:

“I am introduced to an officer in command. He is a man all of one piece. He does not mince his words. He is like a man carved out of rock, for he is unmovable in his sympathies and his antipathies. Like the lieutenant of the Navy whom we have already heard, but more furiously still, he is the enemy of the Armenians, the Greeks, the Jews and—the English.”

“ ‘As for me,’ he snaps, ‘there is not even room for discussion! We ought to be completely, absolutely Turkophiles—I will say more, Turko-enthusiasts (Turcomanes). I love the Mussulmans and I hate their non-Mussulman subjects, who are rubbish. Assure these brave men their independence and their territorial integrity and we shall have in them the most faithful and the most loyal of allies. What do we seek here! A rampart against Russia and British imperialism! The maintenance of our prestige! The free development of our commerce, the expansion of our language! The respect of our schools and colleges! The safeguarding of our financial interests! We shall have all that by means of a French-Turkish collaboration. We ought no longer to hear the Jeremiads of the Armenians and the Greeks and the Jews. We must no longer play the game, neither of England nor of Russia. Russia, although split up by Bolshevism, must always be watched. She has intentions with regard to this country, which we must not encourage. But I do not think that she is an immediate danger. It is Great Britain, which, above all, is becoming troublesome. We are, nearly all of us (French officers) for the Khemalists and against the British and the Greeks.”

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/hb-25.html


On just what basis could anti-Christian "New Rightists" oppose Turkey's entrance to EU? Even in a purely racial sense, most Turks are no less White than Sicilians or Bulgarians are.


Petr

[Petr]

G.K. Chesterton also saw through the pretensions of neo-pagans who claimed to be on the side of Western culture - witness his ironic putdown of Cecil Rhodes, an overrated vulgar-overman imperialist who was admired by Oswald Spengler:

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/gkc13029.htm


THE SULTAN


There is one deep defect in our extension of cosmopolitan and Imperial cultures. That is, that in most human things if you spread your butter far you spread it thin. But there is an odder fact yet: rooted in something dark and irrational in human nature. That is, that when you find your butter thin, you begin to spread it. And it is just when you find your ideas wearing thin in your own mind that you begin to spread them among your fellow-creatures. It is a paradox; but not my paradox. There are numerous cases in history; but I think the strongest case is this. That we have Imperialism in all our clubs at the very time when we have Orientalism in all our drawing-rooms.

I mean that the colonial ideal of such men as Cecil Rhodes did not arise out of any fresh creative idea of the Western genius, it was a fad, and like most fads an imitation. For what was wrong with Rhodes was not that, like Cromwell or Hildebrand, he made huge mistakes, nor even that he committed great crimes. It was that he committed these crimes and errors in order to spread certain ideas. And when one asked for the ideas they could not be found. Cromwell stood for Calvinism, Hildebrand for Catholicism: but Rhodes had no principles whatever to give to the world. He had only a hasty but elaborate machinery for spreading the principles that he hadn't got. What he called his ideals were the dregs of a Darwinism which had already grown not only stagnant, but poisonous. That the fittest must survive, and that any one like himself must be the fittest; that the weakest must go to the wall, and that any one he could not understand must be the weakest; that was the philosophy which he lumberingly believed through life, like many another agnostic old bachelor of the Victorian era. All his views on religion (reverently quoted in the Review of Reviews) were simply the stalest ideas of his time. It was not his fault, poor fellow, that he called a high hill somewhere in South Africa "his church." It was not his fault, I mean, that he could not see that a church all to oneself is not a church at all. It is a madman's cell. It was not his fault that he "figured out that God meant as much of the planet to be Anglo-Saxon as possible." Many evolutionists much wiser had "figured out" things even more babyish. He was an honest and humble recipient of the plodding popular science of his time; he spread no ideas that any cockney clerk in Streatham could not have spread for him. But it was exactly because he had no ideas to spread that he invoked slaughter, violated justice, and ruined republics to spread them.

But the case is even stronger and stranger. Fashionable Imperialism not only has no ideas of its own to extend; but such ideas as it has are actually borrowed from the brown and black peoples to whom it seeks to extend them. The Crusading kings and knights might be represented as seeking to spread Western ideas in the East. But all that our Imperialist aristocrats could do would be to spread Eastern ideas in the East. For that very governing class which urges Occidental Imperialism has been deeply discoloured with Oriental mysticism and Cosmology.

The same society lady who expects the Hindoos to accept her view of politics has herself accepted their view of religion. She wants first to steal their earth, and then to share their heaven. The same Imperial cynic who wishes the Turks to submit to English science has himself submitted to Turkish philosophy, to a wholly Turkish view of despotism and destiny.

There is an obvious and amusing proof of this in a recent life of Rhodes. The writer admits with proper Imperial gloom the fact that Africa is still chiefly inhabited by Africans. He suggests Rhodes in the South confronting savages and Kitchener in the North facing Turks, Arabs, and Soudanese, and then he quotes this remark of Cecil Rhodes: "It is inevitable fate that all this should be changed; and I should like to be the agent of fate." That was Cecil Rhodes's one small genuine idea; and it is an Oriental idea.

Here we have evident all the ultimate idiocy of the present Imperial position. Rhodes and Kitchener are to conquer Moslem bedouins and barbarians, in order to teach them to believe only in inevitable fate. We are to wreck provinces and pour blood like Niagara, all in order to teach a Turk to say "Kismet "; which he has said since his cradle. We are to deny Christian justice and destroy international equality, all in order to teach an Arab to believe he is "an agent of fate," when he has never believed anything else. If Cecil Rhodes's vision could come true (which fortunately is increasingly improbable), such countries as Persia or Arabia would simply be filled with ugly and vulgar fatalists in billycocks, instead of with graceful and dignified fatalists in turbans. The best Western idea, the idea of spiritual liberty and danger, of a doubtful and romantic future in which all things may happen - this essential Western idea Cecil Rhodes could not spread, because (as he says himself) he did not believe in it.

It was an Oriental (Disraeli) who gave to Queen Victoria the crown of an Empress in addition to that of a Queen. He did not understand that the title of King is higher than that of Emperor. For in the East titles are meant to be vast and wild; to be extravagant poems: the Brother of the Sun and Moon, the Caliph who lives for ever. But a King of England (at least in the days of real kings) did not bear a merely poetical title; but rather a religious one. He belonged to his people and not merely they to him. He was not merely a conqueror, but a father - yes, even when he was a bad father. But this sort of solid sanctity always goes with local affections and limits: and the Cecil Rhodes Imperialism set up not the King, but the Sultan; with all the typically Eastern ideas of the magic of money, of luxury without uproar; of prostrate provinces and a chosen race. Indeed Cecil Rhodes illustrated almost every quality essential to the Sultan, from the love of diamonds to the scorn of woman.


Petr

[Petr]

First it was Wehr finding out he had a Polish girlfriend, forcing him to break up with her and denounce the Poles as an inferior people. Then FB denounced nazism as responsible for Western decline and took up some kind of defence of the Poles.

Can I get some more details on that mess? :p

(links, etc.)


Petr

[Crowley]

Can I get some more details on that mess? :p

(links, etc.)


Petr

Why do you care so much, Petr?

[Petr]

Why do you care so much, Petr?
Out of schadenfreude. I am only flesh and blood, I have a tendency for wicked pleasures like this. :( :D


Petr

[Kodos]

Didn't Fred used to date a Jewess at some point? :p


Petr

Hes also dumped his girlfriend because Wehr didn't like her( she was half polak or something).

[Crowley]

Out of schadenfreude. I am only flesh and blood, I have a tendency for wicked pleasures like this. :( :D


Petr

Just so long as you're having fun. :)

[Ixtab]

Islam is preferable to ChristianityHe speaks the truth. I will post more about this subject later.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Ok, enough gosip and inuendo, the man is not here to defend himself and as much as I have disliked him personally, this public lynching here is not civilitzed.


Thread closed till further notice.