Thompson

[Ace Rimmer]

Kako je bilo? Pro Patria?

[Jebivjetar]

Uh... Bilo je prejebeno. Kaj da vam kažem... Nastup, atmosfera, zvuk, publika sve je bilo odlično.

Ovo mi je tek drugi pravi stadionski koncert i mogu samo usporediti sa Iron Maidenom koji su ostali totalno posramljeni prema Thomsponu.

Još smo se ekipa i ja smjestili u prve redove trave s ogromnom zastavom od 6m. Kaže mi stara i još jedan lik sa SFa da nas se vidjelo na TVu. :D

[Jebivjetar]

Evo snimka. :)

Cover: http://i16.tinypic.com/4uo9r8k.jpg
Screen: http://i13.tinypic.com/53zfk3k.jpg

http://rapidshare.com/files/37869362...HoRe.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37870412...HoRe.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37871801...HoRe.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37873557...HoRe.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37874842...HoRe.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37876727...HoRe.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37877822...HoRe.part7.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37877969...HoRe.part8.rar


Nisam još skinuo ali nije valjda nečija šala pa da je podmetnuo krive linkove. :rofl:

EDIT:
Ne znam password za .rar fajlove. A i rezolucija nije baš neka.

[Jebivjetar]

http://www.net.hr/vijesti/page/2007/06/18/0283006.html

Centar Simon Wiesenthal zgrožen je masovnim pokazivanjem fašističkih pozdrava, simbola i uniformi na koncertu. 'Predsjedniče, povedite borbu protiv vala obnovljenog fašizma!'


ZAGREB - Centar Simon Wiesenthal iz Jeruzalema izrazio je u pismu predsjedniku Stipi Mesiću "zgražanje i gnušanje masovnim pokazivanjem fašističkih pozdrava, simbola i uniformi na rock koncertu popularnog ultranacionalističkog hrvatskog pjevača Thompsona", na kojem je u nedjelju u Zagrebu bilo oko četrdeset tisuća ljudi.

Direktor Centra Efraim Zuroff zatražio je od Mesića zabranu koncerata pjevača poput Thompsona na kojima se slavi fašizam i rasizam. "Prema hrvatskim medijima, koncert se pretvorio u masovnu fašističku demonstraciju u kojoj su deseci tisuća ljudi uzvikivali ustaški pozdrav 'Za dom spremni'. Osim toga, veliki broj sudionika nosio je ustaške uniforme i simbole", stoji u Zuroffovu pismu.

Zuroff također izražava zabrinutost zbog toga što su na koncertu bili i visoki hrvatski dužnosnici, saborski zastupnici kao i ministar znanosti, obrazovanja i sporta. "Pod tim okolnostima, smatram da je došlo vrijeme da se zabrane javni koncerti onih koji pjevaju nostalgične pjesme o Jasenovcu i potiču isticanje ustaških simbola", dodaje Zuroff, napominjući da se time huška protiv svih nacionalnih manjina u Hrvatskoj.

"Vjerujem da samo kada bi netko s Vašim ugledom i izraženom antifašističkom reputacijom poveo borbu protiv tog ružnog vala obnovljenog fašizma, moglo bi biti spriječeno da taj izvanredno opasni novi trend zahvati cijelu Hrvatsku", stoji na kraju Zuroffova pisma predsjedniku Republike.

Nisam vidio niti jednu jedinu ustašku uniformu. Bilo je par majica i par kapa ali to je zanemarivo kada se pogleda broj ljudi koji je došao na koncert. Lažu kao i obično.

[Jebivjetar]

Evo snimka. :)

Cover: http://i16.tinypic.com/4uo9r8k.jpg
Screen: http://i13.tinypic.com/53zfk3k.jpg

http://rapidshare.com/files/37869362...HoRe.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37870412...HoRe.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37871801...HoRe.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37873557...HoRe.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37874842...HoRe.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37876727...HoRe.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37877822...HoRe.part7.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37877969...HoRe.part8.rar


Nisam još skinuo ali nije valjda nečija šala pa da je podmetnuo krive linkove. :rofl:

EDIT:
Ne znam password za .rar fajlove. A i rezolucija nije baš neka.
Password: puzzler33@WHR

[slobodagovora]

18.06.2007 21:05

Margelov institut od Sanadera traži ostavku Kirina zbog koncerta Thompsona
Margelov institut u Zagrebu u otvorenom pismu premijeru Ivi Sanaderu traži opoziv ministra unutarnjih poslova Ivice Kirina jer je, ocjenjuju "zakazala pravna država prije, u tijeku i nakon nedjeljnog koncerta hrvatskog pjevača Marka Perkovića Thompsona".

Ostavku traže, kako se navodi, s "ozbirom na to da službe za čiji je rad i odgovoran nisu spriječile nezapamćen ustaški skup na maksimirskom stadionu u nedjelju, 17. lipnja, te je time prouzročena nepopravljiva šteta ugledu i interesima Republike Hrvatske pri procesu prijama u Europsku uniju, zajednicu država i naroda utemeljenu na zasadama antifašizma".

Premijeru predlažu da osobno inicira u Hrvatskom saboru žurno donošenje zakona o deustašizaciji.

"S obzirom na naslov Thompsonove turneje "Bilo jednom u Hrvatskoj", napominjemo da je jednom u Hrvatskoj bio holokaust i da to čitava Hrvatska mora znati, priznati i s dužnim se pijetetom prema toj činjenici odnositi", kaže se u pismu koji je potpisao direktor Instituta Alen Budaj.

Uz ostalo se napominje kako je "žalosno da malobrojna židovska zajednica grada Zagreba i nakon goleme tragedije holokausta mora gledati ustaške skupštine, na mjestu gdje su prije 66 godina razdvajani Židovi od nežidova. Žalosno je da hrvatska policija takve skupove blagonaklono dopušta: da omogućuje nesmetanu prodaju ustaških insignija, barjaka i dijelova uniforma, pronošenje ustaških simbola, izvikivanje ustaških pozdrava iz desetina tisuća grla, pjevanje ustaških pjesama maloljetnika, masovno dizanje ruku na fašistički pozdrav; da se naposljedtku dopušta jednom pjevaču koncertno izvođenje pjesme koja počinje Pavelićevim pozdravom "Za dom - spremni!".

(Hina)
http://www.vecernji.hr/newsroom/news/croatia/932454/index.do

19.06.2007 13:05

Židovska općina negoduje zbog izostanka službenih reakcija na Thompsonov koncert
ZAGREB - Židovska općina Zagreb (ŽOZ) u današnjem je priopćenju izrazila negodovanje zbog izostanka službene reakcija hrvatskih vlasti na javno isticanje ustaške ikonografije prilikom nedavnog zagrebačkog koncerta Marka Perkovića Thompsona u Zagrebu.

Ravnodušnost takve vrste, od koje se nije distanciralo čak ni nekoliko najviših državnih dužnosnika koji su nazočili koncertu, ne samo da izravno šteti ugledu Hrvatske, podsjećajući na njezina najmračnija i najsramotnija vremena, već ugrožava i njezinu budućnost, ističe se u priopćenju koje je potpisao predsjednik ŽOZ-a Ognjen Kraus.

(Hina)
http://www.vecernji.hr/newsroom/news/croatia/939954/index.do

[Jebivjetar]

Evo linkovi i za poljudski koncert ako nekome treba...

http://rapidshare.com/files/8487759/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8450677/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8453093/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8455742/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8457733/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8460094/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8462324/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part7.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8462776/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part8.rar

[Zrinski]

Koliko je to veliko?

[Jebivjetar]

700MB svaki koncert. Jedino kaj ovaj iz Maksimira nema prve dve i pol stvari, valjda nisu stigli emitirati radi košarke kaj je bila.

[Zrinski]

... valjda nisu stigli emitirati radi košarke kaj je bila.

Koliko mi je poznato kosarka je bila na drugom programu dok je koncert isao na HRT+

[Slavic Enforcer]

http://www.net.hr/galerija/vijesti/thompson_fashion_report/ (http://www.net.hr/galerija/vijesti/thompson_fashion_report/)

[Ace Rimmer]

http://www.net.hr/galerija/vijesti/thompson_fashion_report/ (http://www.net.hr/galerija/vijesti/thompson_fashion_report/)

Simpa djevojčice :)

[slobodagovora]

jewlia gorin o kocertu
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=911
June 18th 2007 02:57:59 PM
Nazis Rock on in Croatia
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot
http://www.miss-una.com/thompson_dolazak.jpg
Received this morning from Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Israel Director Efraim Zuroff (bold emphasis added): “Wiesenthal Center Expresses Outrage At Massive Outburst of Nostalgia for Croatian Fascism at Zagreb Rock Concert”

Jerusalem – The Simon Wiesenthal Center today expressed its sense of outrage and disgust in the wake of a massive show of fascist salutes, symbols and uniforms at a rock concert by popular ultra-nationalist Croatian singer “Thompson” attended by 60,000 people in Zagreb last night. In a letter sent today to Croatian President Stjepan Mesic, the Center’s chief Nazi-hunter Israel director Dr. Efraim Zuroff noted the presence of Croatian dignities, including the Minister of Science, Education and Sports, at the event and called for the banning of concerts by singers like Thompson who glorify fascism and racism. According to Zuroff:

“According to the Croatian media, the concert turned into a massive fascist demonstration with tens of thousands of people shouting the infamous Ustasha salute of “Za dom spremni.” In addition,… numerous participants came wearing Ustasha uniforms and symbols. To make matters worse, in attendance last night were officials and members of Parliament, as well as the Minister of Science, Education [!!] and Sports.

“Under the current circumstances, I believe that the time has come to prohibit public concerts by those who write songs of nostalgia for Jasenovac and inspire the show of Ustasha symbols, which constitute open and blatant incitement against all the minorities in Croatia.”
Here http://www.ejpress.org/article/17558 is the just-released AFP report. This development comes as I was about to post the following:

After a soccer match last month between two local teams in the town of Jasenovac, Croatia — infamous for its particularly sadistic WWII concentration camps — Croatian fans sang an old tune that glorifies the butchers of the Hitler-aligned Independent State of Croatia, known as the Ustashe. According to a Croatian newspaper (in translation)
Marina Lovric, Commissioner of the Sisak district has sharply denounced singing of the Ustasha song “Jasenovac and Stara Gradiska” http://www.iwpr.net/?p=bcr&s=f&o=158102&apc_state=henibcr2004
after a soccer match in Jasenovac, while the police were questioning a wide array of individuals. According to a statement from the visiting team from the village of Odar, near Sisak, the song…was played over the loudspeakers after the game, without any reaction from the municipal authorities or representatives of the provincial soccer federation.

The Wikipedia version of the song was coined in 1942 as a glorification of Nazism, but a reworked version by the band “Thompson” a few years ago favorably compares Croatia’s nationalist and anti-Jewish 1990s president Franjo Tudjman with WWII Nazi leader and Ustashe founding member Ante Pavelic, although Pavelic remains the favorite Croatian son of folks like Thompson (also the stage name of the lead singer Marko Perkovic). From Wikipedia:

Many of Thompson’s songs (such as “Lijepa li si”) have become major hits in Croatia, and are played at football games and other large events. He has [been] performing annually on Victory and Homeland Thanksgiving Day, with all benefits going to families of Croatian soldiers. Thompson has won the Croatian music competitions Melodije Mostara (in 2001) and the Croatian Radio Festival (in 2006).

He is also controversial, as he openly promotes Ustasha ideology, wears black uniforms and salutes in corresponding way, and performed Ustashe songs such as Jasenovac i Gradiška Stara…. He has been banned from performing in the Netherlands due to allegedly fascist lyrics.

The lyrics to the song, more or less as sung at the game last month, follow below — but first some quick references you’ll need:
Stara Gradiška:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stara_Gradiška_concentration_camp “the fifth subcamp of the Jasenovac concentration camp…The camp was specially constructed for women and children of Jews, Gypsies, Serbs, and guerrillas. Eventually more than 50,000 men, women and children were incarcerated and then massacred by the Ustaše in the medium camp….All of the women guards were sisters or wives of the male guards and they were known throughout the camp for their cruelty.”

Maks: Vjekoslav “Maks” Luburić, Jasenovac camp commander

Capljina: a town in Bosnia-Herzegovina near the Neretva River

Imotski: a town in Croatia’s Dalmatian hinterland
Black uniforms of Jure Francetic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crna_Legija
This refers to the elite unit called Black Legion, which made up the 1st and 5th Ustaše Brigades during WWII and whose uniforms were black, unlike other Ustaše units. Led by Commander Jure Francetic.

Lady Sinjska: a protective Slavic goddess.

“Take away Stipe…”: Stipe is Stjepan Mesic, the current president of Croatia, whose recent record includes many anti-Fascist statements and attempts to coax Croatia to fess up to its WWII and 1990s crimes.

Racan: Ivica Racan, the recently departed Croatian prime minister who was less nationalist than the Tudjman mold.

Metkovic: a town near the Neretva River, into which Serb bodies were dumped by the Ustashe.

Jasenovac and Stara Gradiška,
That’s the house of Maks’s butchers.
There was a slaughterhouse in Čapljina,
Neretva carried away many Serbs (from there).

O Neretva, flow downhill,
And carry the Serbs into the blue Adriatic.
Through Imotski trucks rush,
Driving the black uniforms of Jure Francetić.

I am Ustasha and so was my father,
Father left the craft to his son…
Whoever said that Black Legion is not coming back,
May his father fuck him.

Lady Sinjska, if you can, take away Stipe and bring back our Franjo.
O Racan, may a dog fuck your mother, and the ones who voted for you.
Shining star above Metković,
Send our greetings to Ante Pavelić.

You can hear the rocked-up version of the song set to an illuminating visual aid. Go to the Croatian version of YouTube, called CroTube and see a video montage http://crotube.smartvideochannel.com/media/playvideo.aspx?f=flash7&cid=23B55E5B582F4FB7A7609B24D55DCCDB&v=mostviewed that includes Hitler-Pavelic greetings and hollowed-out Serbian bodies floating in a river, which may or may not be the Neretva.

The AFP reports that at Sunday’s concert, Thompson refrained from making pro-Ustasha references and Hitler-style salutes.

[slobodagovora]

i još od jewlie http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=914
June 19th 2007 03:09:22 PM
Concert Pix are Here — Yayyyyy!
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot
The Nazi rock concert was held in Croatia’s biggest stadium, Maksimir, and although this time Thompson himself did not make any pro-Ustasha references or Hitler-style salutes, the kids sure did. (Thanks to a website titled Lupiga.com)
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012824thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_koncert_treba.jpg
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012548thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_koncert_fasisticki_pozfrav.jpg
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012242thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_djeca.jpg
Girl wearing WW2 Ustasha-insignia cap.
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012730thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_koncert_mac.jpg
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012841thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_koncert_za_dom_spremni.jpg
T-shirt with “Za Dom Spremni” slogan — “For the Homeland, we are Ready.”
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012708thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_koncert_gotovina.jpg
Girl wears a T-shirt with Croatian hero and indicted war criminal Ante Gotovina
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012928thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_miomir_zuzul.jpg
A rock concert that Mom and Dad approve of
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618013359thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_ustasa.jpg
This guy’s also got the Ustasha hat and everything.

The reason you don’t see this kind of stuff in Germany is that everyone knows what the Germans did, and the Germans know what the Germans did, because they were made to admit and apologize for what they did, and so they are embarrassed. But the above photos illustrate what happens when you are a nation that isn’t made to acknowledge its crimes: the crimes remain unknown, untalked about, and you get the whole world on your side, scrutiny-free, when you repeat history — as happened in Croatia’s 1990s war for independence.

[Jebivjetar]

Rade linkovi. Ja sam zajebao kod kopi-pejstanja.

http://rapidshare.com/files/37869362/thoMPson.TVrip.Xvid-WHoRe.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37870412/thoMPson.TVrip.Xvid-WHoRe.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37871801/thoMPson.TVrip.Xvid-WHoRe.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37873557/thoMPson.TVrip.Xvid-WHoRe.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37874842/thoMPson.TVrip.Xvid-WHoRe.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37876727/thoMPson.TVrip.Xvid-WHoRe.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37877822/thoMPson.TVrip.Xvid-WHoRe.part7.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/37877969/thoMPson.TVrip.Xvid-WHoRe.part8.rar

[Jimbo Gomez]

“Under the current circumstances, I believe that the time has come to prohibit public concerts by those who write songs of nostalgia for Jasenovac and inspire the show of Ustasha symbols, which constitute open and blatant incitement against all the minorities in Croatia.”

Those jerks have been telling every country they could think of what to do and what not to do within its own borders. I guess they just discovered yuor country still exists.

Stupid yids are allergic to healthy patriotism I guess.

[Sivi_Sokol]

“Under the current circumstances, I believe that the time has come to prohibit public concerts by those who write songs of nostalgia for Jasenovac and inspire the show of Ustasha symbols, which constitute open and blatant incitement against all the minorities in Croatia.”

Not all minorities. Just jews and some other anti-Croatian ones.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Not all minorities. Just jews and some other anti-Croatian ones.

Would you deport albanians and/or bosnians?

[Slavic Enforcer]

Simpa djevojčice :)

Sa tim Ustasicama bi i Partizan Boro koalirao.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Would you deport albanians and/or bosnians?

The first thing to do would be to forbid Belgians entering Croatian territory.
Part of the campaign: "We must secure the existence of our children!" :rofl:

[Sivi_Sokol]

The first thing to do would be to forbid Belgians entering Croatian territory.
Part of the campaign: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children!" :rofl:

He he!


Would you deport albanians and/or bosnians?

Let me elaborate (my opinion):
if they are of European descent

they consider Croatia their Homeland

they don't mix with Croatian population

there is only a small number of them in Croatia


More or less, if certain group fits this description I have no problem with them...

[6(sic)6]

Croat 89.6%, Serb 4.5%, other 5.9% (including Bosniak, Hungarian, Slovene, Czech, and Roma)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hr.html

There are not many albanians in Croatia and those albs who are there are more or less croatian then albanian.

[slobodagovora]

još od jewlie

June 21st 2007 05:08:13 PM
WOAHHHHH! That wasn’t just ANY family at the Nazi Concert!
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012928thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_miomir_zuzul.jpg
The caption under this photo identified these people as the “Zuzul Family.” A quick search of Croatian newspapers by my pal Nebojsa Malic produced a matching photo: the man in question is Miomir Zuzul , former Croatian Foreign Minister and Ambassador to the US and UN (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The Mesic government in Croatia, meanwhile, issued a response to Sunday’s Nazi concert on Tuesday after the Jewish Municipality of Zagreb expressed displeasure that there was “no official reaction from Croatian authorities about the public display of Ustasha symbols at the concert…Such indifference does not only directly harm Croatia’s reputation, but it harms the country’s future as well, ZOZ president Ognjen Kraus said in the statement.” (From the Croatian news agency HINA, via BBC Monitoring.)

The government’s statement:

The Croatian government rejects any attempt at using and displaying insignia and salutes from the World War Two Ustasha regime…Contemporary Croatia rests on the values of the [1990s] Homeland War as well as on the foundations of antifascism and resistance to all forms of totalitarianism.

The problem with this statement, of course, is that the “Homeland War” was drenched in the same imagery http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Croatia/carbon-copy.html of the 1940s Ustasha regime (and even some of the same crimes) — all the while a pro-Ustasha patriotism was whipped up http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=564 by the pro-Ustasha government of Franjo Tudjman, so as to regain Croatians’ Hitler-bestowed independent state.

There is no reforming Nazi Croatia. So after a few more superficial gestures and words, it will be embraced the way it is by a unified Europe. I’ll be in the attic. With this diary.

It’s like Croatian reader “Ivan” wrote me not too long ago:

…keep spilling your hate on paper all you want. Just know this: In 2010 [the anticipated year of Croatia’s EU membership], millions of tourists will visit Croatia. That includes our Serbian neighbors, as well as scores of your US countrymen. The one thing we’ll make sure to tell them when they cross our border is to have a pleasant stay in the European Union.

Enjoy this short poem from the autumn 1993 issue of the Jewish-Serbian Friendship Society of America newsletter:

“The New World Order–Central European Division” by Calvin Trillin

Croatians are the good guys now,
Although their past is slightly shady.
So worry not that these same guys
Chased both your bubbe and your zayde.
www.juliagorin.com

i još od jewlie
June 22nd 2007 08:23:33 AM
Only in Croatia, Kids. Only in Croatia.
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot
A letter from Alex in Pittsburgh:
Thank you for posting the concert pix article. How sad beyond belief. I almost had nightmares over the bumper sticker the one girl held up.
http://www.lupiga.com/vijesti/slike/20070618012708thompson_maksimir_maksimirski_stadion_marko_perkovic_koncert_gotovina.jpg
It says: “CROATIA: A thick fog will descend again.”

I am not sure, but I believe that is a reference to Operation Storm, and minorities being swallowed up in the night — in other words, “we are going to kill you again, so get out.” It literally gave a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Nice to know Bush met with the Croatian foreign minister in Albania. I guess World War Two and all those dead veterans fighting Nazism really meant nothing after all. …At the rate we are going, other than a few bland editorials, I am not sure that we would react adversely even if fascism made a comeback in Germany. I am sure that there would even be commentators saying it is good for the global economy, the world bank, whatever.

Germany helped attack Yugoslavia again fifty years after WWII and no one blinked. Members of the government seig heil’ing and no official repercussions for Croatia, nothing, but there’s lots of continued adverse PR to set the Serbs up for attack, just like the Jews endured in the 1930s. Looks like no one cares.

Thank you, Alex. And really, where else do hot chicks dig the killing fields like this? Recall this week’s earlier post, and never forget:

Stara Gradiška: “The camp was specially constructed for women and children of Jews, Gypsies, Serbs, and guerrillas. Eventually more than 50,000 men, women and children were incarcerated and then massacred by the Ustaše in the medium camp….All of the women guards were sisters or wives of the male guards and they were known throughout the camp for their cruelty.”
www.juliagorin.com

[VAMPIR]

Croat 89.6%, Serb 4.5%, other 5.9% (including Bosniak, Hungarian, Slovene, Czech, and Roma)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/hr.html

There are not many albanians in Croatia and those albs who are there are more or less croatian then albanian.
Prema ovome izvoru, Hrvatska spada u grupu vrlo starih država (prosjek starosti). Nijesam to znao, kao ni to da imate negativan prirodni priraštaj...

Birth rate:
9.63 births/1,000 population (2007 est.)
Death rate:
11.57 deaths/1,000 population (2007 est.)

[Sivi_Sokol]

Prema ovome izvoru, Hrvatska spada u grupu vrlo starih država (prosjek starosti). Nijesam to znao, kao ni to da imate negativan prirodni priraštaj...

Pa zar nemaju sve Europske zemlje, osim Albanije? Čitao sam u Reader Digest-u da je Njemačka u najgorem položaju što se toga tiče...

Možda si zaboravio da smo bili nedavno (opet) u ratu...

[6(sic)6]

Prema ovome izvoru, Hrvatska spada u grupu vrlo starih država (prosjek starosti). Nijesam to znao, kao ni to da imate negativan prirodni priraštaj...
Sorry but could you perhaps take that in english?

[Sivi_Sokol]

Evo linkovi i za poljudski koncert ako nekome treba...

http://rapidshare.com/files/8487759/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8450677/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8453093/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8455742/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8457733/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8460094/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8462324/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part7.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/8462776/Thompson.Poljud.By.PaPa.part8.rar

Čovječe, na Poljudu mu je intro bio početak iz Carmine Burane - Carla Orffa. O Fortuna mislim da se zove... :)

I onda Bojna Čavoglave! JEBOTE kakav početak!!

[VAMPIR]

Pa zar nemaju sve Europske zemlje, osim Albanije? Čitao sam u Reader Digest-u da je Njemačka u najgorem položaju što se toga tiče...

Možda si zaboravio da smo bili nedavno (opet) u ratu...
Prema ovom izvoru, CG ima pozitivan prirodni priraštaj baš kao i prema nacionalnoj agenciji. Začudo, albanska populacija nije uzročnik tog trenda, već crnogorska. CG je jedina država u svijetu gdje oni nemaju poz. prirodni priraštaj, zbog iseljavanja, pretežno u Njemačku i USA...

[slobodagovora]

http://www.stickypond.com/krajina/viewtopic.php?t=628
:rofl:

dobro reče Pro Patria - najjači forum u povijesti interneta

[Watzy]

Sorry but could you perhaps take that in english?

"According to this source, Croatia is within a group of very aged states (average age of the population)...and low birth rate."

This is true, the only comforting circumstance is that the number of serbs is slowly reducing as well.

[Watzy]

if they are of European descent

they consider Croatia their Homeland

there is only a small number of them in Croatia

In other words the capability to assimilate is the key characteristic that you require here. I totaly agree with this part.

they don't mix with Croatian population

It would make some sort of isolated Jews out of these people, a permanent minority...and minorities (European or non-European) are the pain in the ass. This is why I support intermixing if the assimilation is possible. A number of Croats is already mixed with some other ethnicity (mostly from ex Austro-Hungaria, Italy and Balkans) anyway so...

[Sivi_Sokol]

In other words the capability to assimilate is the key characteristic that you require here. I totaly agree with this part.



It would make some sort of isolated Jews out of these people, a permanent minority...and minorities (European or non-European) are the pain in the ass. This is why I support intermixing if the assimilation is possible. A number of Croats is already mixed with some other ethnicity (mostly from ex Austro-Hungaria, Italy and Balkans) anyway so...

Well, I have to agree with you. My first comment was made up on images taken from Komšije or Amarcord, not to mention certain Albanian individuals selling bread in their bakeries... So the reaction was: Disgusting! We should not mix with this kind of people.
It was a very biased conclusion. :)

[Jebivjetar]

Sljedeće nedjelje (1.7.) biti će opet snimka koncerta na HRT2 u 20:05.

[Guard]

Sljedeće nedjelje (1.7.) biti će opet snimka koncerta na HRT2 u 20:05.
Super, baš me zanima kako je to izgledalo na TV-u. Ja sam bio na koncertu i bilo je fenomenalno. A što su Židovi buru digli... :jew:
I to zbog pozdrava "Za Dom spremni!"
strašno... :hitler:

Ovdje možete vidjeti dio koncerta:
Bojna Čavoglave (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzE3vDZnn8A)

[slobodagovora]

30.06.2007 16:05

Američki Centar Simon Wiesenthal prosvjeduje zbog Thompsonovog koncerta
WASHINGTON - Hrvatski veleposlanik u SAD-u Neven Jurica primio je u petak pismo rabina Abrahama Coopera iz Centra Simon Wiesenthal u Los Angelesu, koji prosvjeduje zbog, kako tvrdi, pojave ustaških odora i simbola na nedavnom koncertu pjevača Marka Perkovića "Thompsona" na stadionu Maksimir u Zagrebu.

"Na koncertu su se mnogi pojavili s ustaškim odorama, simbolima i stijegovima...što ne treba čuditi obzirom da je riječ o osobi koja u pjesmi izražava nostalgiju za dva ozloglašene hrvatska koncentracijska logora u kojima su ustaše ubile desetke tisuća nevinih Srba, Židova, Roma i Hrvata antifašista", tvrdi u pismu rabin Cooper.

"Gospodine veleposlaniče, mi razumijemo da je Hrvatska danas demokracija, no jasno je da ako ta vrsta ponašanja ostane bez odgovora, to nije samo ruganje žrtvama prošlosti već i prijetnja budućnosti demokracije", istaknuo je, među inim, Cooper.

ON je pismo proslijedio i predsjednicima odbora za vanjsku politiku Predstavničkog doma američkog Kongresa i Senata, kongresniku Tomu Lantosu i senatoru Joeu Bidenu, te senatorici Diane Feinstein.

Rabin Cooper u pismu također poziva na reviziju novog postava muzeja u Jasenovcu, tražeći da se "imenuju zločinci" i objasni kako je "ustaški rasizam, antisemitizam i ksenofobija ono što je začelo Jasenovac", da bi "mladi Hrvati u cijelosti razumjeli užase prošlosti".

On također poziva da se poduzmu nužni zakonodavni koraci kako bi se zabranila uporaba ustaških simbola u Hrvatskoj, na način na koji se priječi uporaba "svastike" u Njemačkoj i Austriji.

Veleposlanik Jurica izjavio je petak za Hinu da je rabinu Cooperu uputio odogovor "koji je u okvirima stajališta koje je o tom pitanju zauzela hrvatska Vlada".

Reagirajući na zbivanja na spornom koncertu i prosvjede židovskih udruga u zemlji i inozemstvu, Vlada je u priopćenju od 19. lipnja "odbacila pokušaje uporabe i isticanja znakovlja i pozdrava iz vremena ustaškog režima iz II. svjetskog rata", ističući kako današnja Hrvatska počiva na vrijednostima antifašizma i pozivajući sve u društvu, posebno one što utiču na mlade, na promicanje europskih vrijednosti.

Hrvatski veleposlanik je kazao kako je u pismu rabinu Cooperu dodatno objasnio neke činjenice vezane uz novi postav muzeja u Jasenovcu, kao što je suradnja stručnjaka muzeja Yad Vashem u Izraelu i Muzeja Holokausta u Washingtonu na njegovoj pripremi.

Predstavnici za tisak ureda senatora Joea Bidena i kongresnika Toma Lantosa, u petak Hini nisu mogli potvrditi prijem pisma rabina Coppera, a mogući su odgovor ili komentar na pismo ostavili za idući tjedan.

(Hina)
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01.07.2007 13:54

Wiesenthal protiv Thompsonovog koncerta na HTV-u
JERUZALEM - Centar Simona Wiesenthala u nedjelju je izrazio protivljenje večerašnjem prikazivanju nedavno održanog koncerta rock-pjevača Marka Perkovića Thompsona u najgledanijem terminu Hrvatske televizije, priopćeno je iz jeruzalemskog ureda te organizacije.

U priopćenju koje potpisuje voditelj jeruzalemskog ureda Centra Efraim Zuroff ponavlja se kako su na koncertu (održanom 17 . lipnja u Zagrebu) mnogi u publici imali ustaške odore, obilježja i zastave te se ističe kako će se prikazivanjem koncerta, osobito u tako gledanom terminu, "dati službeno odobrenje događaju koji je bio drski prikaz obilježja hrvatskog nacizma, antisemitizma i ksenofobije te tako ohrabriti hrvatske ekstremističke nacionaliste".

"Općerašireno iskazivanje ustaških i ultranacionalističkih obilježja na Thompsonovim koncertima nije slučajnost ni pogreška", smatra Zuroff.

Njegova je ocjena kako pjevač koji pjeva nostalgično o ustaškom vođi Anti Paveliću i blagonaklono o "najgorim hrvatskim koncentracijskim logorima Jasenovcu i Staroj Gradiški otvoreno poziva svoje obožavatelje na poistovjećivanje s genocidnim ustaškim režimom, koji je želio likvidirati hrvatske Srbe, židove i Cigane te Hrvate koji su mu bili politički protivnici".

"Prikazivanjem Thompsonovog koncerta na državnoj televiziji u najgledanijem terminu (hrvatska) vlada u biti iskazuje svoje odobravanje njegovih poruka punih mržnje", piše Zuroff u svojem priopćenju za medije. (Hina)
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Danas ću dakle pojačati ton na tv još više nego što sam prvotno namjeravao :)

[Watzy]

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Danas ću dakle pojačati ton na tv još više nego što sam prvotno namjeravao :)

Ja ne znam kakva to antifašistička pićkica čovjek mora mora biti da ga zabrine što kaže par holokaust-Židova po svijetu.

Hrvatska od ovoga ne može imati nikakve značajne štete, može imati samo neprocijenjive koristi jer će joj buduće majke i očevi biti odgojeni u duhu vjernosti prema svom narodu i zemlji.

[Ace Rimmer]

Vidite Slovenca na SF thread o Thompsonu.

[Watzy]

Vidite Slovenca na SF thread o Thompsonu.

Fuj, kako odvratan i zavidan tip! Po tome što piše se jasno daje isčitati da se iza anti-ustaštva i sotonizacije ustaša u stvari krije protuhrvatski šovinističko-genocidni sentiment.

[Sivi_Sokol]

Fuj, kako odvratan i zavidan tip! Po tome što piše se jasno daje isčitati da se iza anti-ustaštva i sotonizacije ustaša u stvari krije protuhrvatski šovinističko-genocidni sentiment.

Prijavimo ga HHO-u. Pa i fašisti su manjina kvragu, barem u našoj zemlji.

Inače, bude li netko ovo snimao, koncert mislim?

[slobodagovora]

Fuj, kako odvratan i zavidan tip! Po tome što piše se jasno daje isčitati da se iza anti-ustaštva i sotonizacije ustaša u stvari krije protuhrvatski šovinističko-genocidni sentiment.
istina, a lik je bezveznjak, nisam ga do sada ni primijetio na SF

[Watzy]

istina, a lik je bezveznjak, nisam ga do sada ni primijetio na SF

Ne treba isključiti niti mogućnost da je srbin koji se pretvara da je Slovenac.

Čujte mu samo spiku o ubijanju, zločinima i žrtvoslovlju...cvileća je pička, dakle vrlo vjerojatno srbin ili Židov.

[slobodagovora]

stvarno lik cvili kao da je srbin ili Židov :rofl:

[Ace Rimmer]

Baš zavist, isčitava se i osjećaj niže vrijednosti ,nemogučnost da se podiči ičim svojim.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Ako ne laze onda su njegovi tokom WW2 bili u onom (malom) dijelu Slovenije koji je pripao NDH.

[Edzamon]

I onda Bojna Čavoglave! JEBOTE kakav početak!!

Mislite da sam lud ali obozavam ovu pjesmu! :) Navijem je u kolima i prolazim Podgoricom kad se vozim kroz grad a narod stoka me gleda :rofl: :rofl:

[Jebivjetar]

Izrezali su "Za dom spremni" sada na televiziji.

[Guard]

Izrezali su "Za dom spremni" sada na televiziji.
Vidio sam. Mamu im posjetim crvenu.
Zbog židova 100%

[slobodagovora]

to garant ima veze sa onim zanovijetnanjima

evo čak i na engleskom, sa SF
Last update - 20:13 01/07/2007
Wiesenthal Center slams Croatian star nostalgic for pro-Nazi regime
By Amiram Barkat, Haaretz Correspondent

The Simon Wiesenthal Center complained on Saturday to Croatia's state television channel regarding its broadcast of a singer known for expressing nostalgia for Ustasha, Croatia's pro-Nazi ruling party during World War II.

The singer, Marko Perkovic, who is also known as "Thompson," is one of the most popular rock stars in Croatia. One of his songs is named after the Jasenovac concentration camp, where Croatian forces killed 90,000 Jews, Serbs and Gypsies.

The Croatian network, Channel 2, aired on Saturday a Perkovic concert, held two weeks ago and attended by some 60,000 spectators. Many of the fans were shown sporting Ustasha symbols and uniforms.

Dr. Efraim Zuroff, director of the Wiesenthal Center in Israel, said that the decision by the state television channel to air the concert was an expression of support for Croatia's past crimes.

'The widespread display of Ustasha and ultranationlist symbols at Thompson concerts is no mistake or coincidence. A singer who sings nostalgically about Ustasha leader Ante Pavelic and favorably about Croatia's worst World War II concentration camps Jasenovac and Stara Gradiska, is openly urging his fans to identify with the genocidal Ustasha regime which sought to liquidate Croatia's Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies as well as their Croatian political opponents," says a statement issued by the Wiesenthal Center.

"By broadcasting Thompson's concert on state television in prime time the government is in essence expressing its approval for his hateful message," the statement concludes
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/876983.html

kako lažu

[Sivi_Sokol]

Baš zavist, isčitava se i osjećaj niže vrijednosti ,nemogučnost da se podiči ičim svojim.

Ne znam, ja sam mu čak i jednom dao rep. ,jer mu je komentar bio sličan kakav bi ja recimo dao, u jednoj drugoj temi, tj. time je bio moj suvišan, ali ovo, komentar i kritika me ne smeta občenito, ali očito čovjek nije pročitao išta u temi od drugih ne-Hrvata, nego jednostavno onako važno izjavio 'svoj' kao da je nekakav 'WN Wiesenthal'.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Izrezali su "Za dom spremni" sada na televiziji.

Kako izrezali kad nije nitko vikao? ;)

[Jebivjetar]

Ne vikanje nego početak Čavoglava.

[slobodagovora]

Kako izrezali kad nije nitko vikao? ;)
he he ;)


moram staviti ovu pjesmu jer mi je predobra



Lipa Kaja


Dok se mjesec nebom zlati,
znam da tvoja duša pati.
Ja te molim, ne predaj se!

Jer, kad zora u dan pukne,
bit će kasno da jaukne,
glasa tvoga ni'ko čuti neće.

Da su tvoji prije znali
kome su te obećali…

Ne daj, Bože, da sad ode,
kad smo došli do slobode.
Lipa Kajo roda moga,
ne udaj se za drugoga.
Eeej, lipa Kajo

Kad nad Gackom zora pukne
bit će kasno da jaukne,
glasa tvoga ni'ko čuti neće.

Da su tvoji prije znali
kome su te obećali…

Ne daj, Bože, da sad ode,
kad smo došli do slobode.
Lipa Kajo roda moga,
ne udaj se za drugoga.
Eeej, lipa Kajo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z_Rh1ziT6vU

[Jebivjetar]

http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/poruke-s-thompsonovog-koncerta-izazivaju-strahove-kod-manjina/352382.aspx


Al se i Pupovac uzjebao. :D

[VAMPIR]

Gleda sam cio koncert u neđelju veče na HRT2, i ne viđeh ništa spornoga...
Kako sam vas razumio, bilo je stvari koje TV isjekla?

[Jebivjetar]

A nešto malo je bilo izrezano...

Za dom spremni s početka Čavoglava, zamutili su da se ne čuje kako je publika počela između dve pjesme pjevat Juru i Bobana :D i to je otprilike.

I izrezalu su 2-3 pjesme ali da skrate radi TV pograma, ne radi stihova.

[slobodagovora]

http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/poruke-s-thompsonovog-koncerta-izazivaju-strahove-kod-manjina/352382.aspx


Al se i Pupovac uzjebao. :D

Potpuno je nedopustivo da javna televizija građanima Hrvatske koji za njen program plaćaju TV pretplatu, i koji pripadaju zajednicama koje imaju ozbiljnih razloga ne samo protestirati nego i tražiti odgovornost (HTV-a) što se u njenom udarnom terminu puštaju umjetnički potpuno bezvrijedne tvorevine koje služe, ne za jačanje domoljublja, kao što je neko rekao, nego za evociranje i povezivanje vrijednosti današnje Hrvatske s vrijednostima NDH. Ne postoje javne manifestacije u kojima se tako neskriveno uspostavlja kontinuitet između ustaških vrijednosti i današnje Hrvatske kao što su ti koncerti odnosno uratci toga umjetnika (Thompsona op.a.)" - kazao je Milorad Pupovac za Index.
zašto se ne žale na severinu, huljića, plesove sa zvijezdama i slične uistinu umjetnički potpuno bezvrijedne tvorevine


Pupovac upozorava kako su pojedine poruke koje su se mogle čuti na koncertu Marka Perkovića protivne zajedničkom životu, te "izazivaju strahove kod pripadnika manjinskih naroda u Hrvatskoj".
kojih to manjinskih naroda, nisam čuo da Mađari, Česi i Slovaci vrište i kukaju na sve strane zbog Thompsona, tko zna možda i hoće ako ih srbi nagovore


"Sasvim sigurno ozbiljna su prijetnja demokratskoj Hrvatskoj, a ne samo pripadnicima manjinskih zajednica poput Srba, Židova i Roma." - ističe predsjednik SNV-a.
jedino se srbi i Židovi žale, cigane baš briga, nije li Braco cigan rekao da mu je Thompson faca

"Možda bi najpoštenije bilo da sve ljude uključujući građane srpske nacionalnosti pozovemo da takvoj televiziji koja pušta takve stvari ne plaćamo pretplatu, ali o tome nismo raspravljali.
ako moram plaćati pristojbu televiziji na kojoj radi ono smeće latin, di se vrte direkti, piramide , i još hrpetine reklama e pa onda će ju plaćati i srbi

[Ace Rimmer]

I ti gledaju kako usicariti :D. Eto ih jos blize ovoj karikaturi iz potpisa :D

[Defensor Fidei]

"Možda bi najpoštenije bilo da sve ljude uključujući građane srpske nacionalnosti pozovemo da takvoj televiziji koja pušta takve stvari ne plaćamo pretplatu, ali o tome nismo raspravljali.

Ko vas jebe, niko ne treba vaš novac, ionako ga nemate.

[janka pusta]

Tema nije tako aktualna ali ovo je zanimljiv komentar "Srebrenice"

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6226/snap1ie0.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snap1ie0.jpg)

Posto taj web site blokira posjetitelje iz Hrvatske vjerojatno je mislio da se necemo upoznati sa njegovim iskrenim odusevljenjem. Ja sam na Stormfront moderaciji pa neka neko prebaci ovu sliku na Croatia thread.
Mislim da je on nazocan i na ovom forumu ali pod drugim imenom.

[slobodagovora]

tu je on sa nickom the serb

edit- stavljeno :D

[slobodagovora]

July 16th 2007 04:36:34 AM
Efraim Zuroff’s Open Letter to Croatia’s Thompson
Posted by Julia under Republican Riot


After the wife of Croatian rocker Marko Perkovic, a.k.a. Thompson, wrote a letter to Efraim Zuroff (Israel Director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center) threatening legal action over his criticisms of the Ustasha enthusiasm displayed by the singer’s fans, the following open letter from Zuroff appeared in Globus newspaper (translated from the Croatian):

11 July 2007 “An Open Letter to Marko Perkovic”

I am probably the last person you were expecting to hear from these days, but in the wake of the controversy and polemics surrounding your recent concert in Maksimir Stadium, I thought that the best way to clarify the important issues being debated would be to turn to you directly. Before I pose my questions, I have to admit that you have inspired the love and support of Croatians all over the world, many of whom have rushed to defend you against my criticism. I have received letters from Australia, Canada, Germany and other places as well as from Croatia. While some were stupid in an abusive way (spelling my family name in small letters with the exception of a big “U”) and a few were simply anti-Semitic (”Za dom spremni” and nothing else or “What have you done to stop killing poor Palestinians?”), most were written by reasonably intelligent people who are convinced that you are neither a fascist nor an anti-Semite. They claim that your sole motivation is pure and noble Croatian patriotism and love of family and the Catholic Church. They urged me to review all your lyrics to search for any trace of racism and some sent me the words of one of your songs. None of them could explain, however, why so many young people feel that your concerts are an appropriate place to appear in Ustashe uniforms and display Ustashe symbols.

Rather than attempt (without any opportunity to speak to you directly) to analyze your ideological philosophy and psychological make-up, which in my opinion hold the key to unedrstanding who you really are and being able thereby to determine whether you are part of the problem or part of the solution in insuring that Croatia will be a model democracy and not a proto-fascist state, I decided to share my concerns with you and offer you an opportunity to once and for all make clear where you stand on a number of critical issues.

Let me begin with the song “Jasenovac/Stara Gradiska.” Everyone knows that you have sung it in the past, although not at your recent concert in Zagreb. Do you have any idea how painful its lyrics are to members of minorities living in Croatia? Can you imagine how a Serb, Jew, or Gypsy whose families were decimated by the Ustashe must feel hearing someone like you, the most popular singer in Croatia, a veritable cultural icon, sing of nostalgia for Ante Pavelic? Can you understand that one can be a 100% genuine Croatian patriot and unequivocally reject the NDH and the Ustashe? Or is Croatian patriotism, in your opinion, one indivisible package which begins with the Ustashe and continues to the present with every nationalist included, regardless of whether they behaved dishonorably and/or committed atrocities? That is something that urgently needs clarification.

In this regard, the fact that you have never apologized or expressed regret for singing “Jasenovac/Stara Gradiska” is very telling. It basically means that you stand behind those lyrics which more or less glorify Ustashe murderers, call for the elimination of Serbs, the replacement of President Mesic with an ultranationalist like Tudjman and the resestablishment of the NDH. I would add that the fact that you have never spoken out against the ubiquitous displays of Ustashe symbols at your concerts is another indicator that you personally have no objection to such paraphernalia. This could be for two possible reasons. The first might be that you identify with such symbols and are a “true believer” in the Ustashe ideology of Croatian ultranationalism. A more cynical explanation might be that you realize that those sporting Ustashe symbols are your greatest supporters and for practical/utilitarian reasons, you do not want to offend them and risk losing their support. Either reason does not put your behavior in a positive light.

I hope you realize that your success brings with ita large degree of responsibilty, and especially because you have gained your popularity by addressing political issues. (if you were a celebrity because of success in sports or as a performer singing insipid love songs it would be different.) Thus many Croatians, and especially numerous youth, look to you for guidance and inspiration on the important political issues facing the country. And this is precisely why it is a tragedy if your concerts inspire displays of support or nostalgia for the Ustashe, rather than support for a pluralistic, tolerant Croatian democracy.

It is precisely because your patriotic credentials are absolutely impeccable that you must be among those who clearly and unequivocally reject the legacy of the NDH and the Ustashe. This will send a clear message to Croatians of all ages that one is not betraying his or her country by condemning the atrocities committed by the NDH and that one can be the most noble patriot by building a homeland which will be a model democracy which accepts minorities and fosters tolerance among different ethnic groups.

It is true that by doing so you will no doubt alienate at least some of your most fanatic supporters, but at the same time you will have gained something far more important-the respect and admiration of the numerous Croatians and others who until now could not have possibly identified with your message. Your forthcoming concert in Split at the end of this month would be a golden opportunity to finally let us all know what kind of future “Thompson” wants for his country.

— Dr. Efraim Zuroff

Dr. Zuroff reports that he has been “getting terrific feedback from those sympathetic to [his] arguments in Croatia and elsewhere,” and he is told that Thompson would be inviting him to his concert in Split on July 27th. (Unfortunately, that is a Friday night and Dr. Zuroff observes the Sabbath.)

Just a note on Globus, which deserves some kudos. Dr. Zuroff says that years ago as a young reporter, the publication’s current editor was “tremendously helpful” in tracking down and prosecuting Nada Sakic (female guard at the Stara Gradiska concentration camp) and in other cases that SWC was involved with in Croatia. The Wikipedia entry for Globus seems to support the newspaper’s objectivity and fair-mindedness:

The magazine was started in 1991, having some of its first issues published during the Croatian War of Independence. Originally devised as tabloid, it never took an openly chauvinist approach…and always tried to give the appearance of objectivity. Gradually, its articles began to deal with shady aspects of privatisation, abuses against ethnic Serb citizens and other topics not covered by mainstream media in Croatia. As such, Globus is credited for introducing investigative journalism in Croatia.

www.juliagorin.com

:deadhorse:

and he is told that Thompson would be inviting him to his concert in Split on July 27th. (Unfortunately, that is a Friday night and Dr. Zuroff observes the Sabbath.)
tko će mu platiti put :D

[Jebivjetar]

Žena se ziher pali na Thomspona. Ne znam koji bi drugi razlog bio takvoj opsesiji prema njemu. :)

[janka pusta]

Trenbao bi Thompson pomaknut koncert na Nedjelju kako bi i Zuroff mogao doci jer u subotu ima sa svojim talmudistima sabbat.

[slobodagovora]

Žena se ziher pali na Thomspona. Ne znam koji bi drugi razlog bio takvoj opsesiji prema njemu. :)
Pali se na bad boys :)
A ako je istina da je Thompson zvao tog zuroffa na koncert e onda mi je drago što nemam niti jedan original od Thompsona jer bi mi nekako bilo žao strgati originalne albume

[Jebivjetar]

Thompson je izjavio kako bi održao koncert za obnovu sinagoge u Zagrebu nakon što su ga tlačili za neki koncert za obnovu neke crkve u Bosni.

On je postao prevelika medijska osoba da bi mogao davati nekakve ekstremne izjave.

[slobodagovora]

prava rock zvijezda :rolleyes: umjesto da ih sve pošalje u 3 p...e materine on bi im još i pjevao i zvao tog najgoreg živućeg holokaust židova na koncert
rock zvijezde su poznate po raznoraznim izjavama i po raznoraznom ponašanju, ovaj se ponaša kao časna sestra, već sam napisao jednom da ima odlične pjesme ali da mi je dosadan

ovo je kap koja je prelila čašu
trganje počinje :deadhorse:

[Sivi_Sokol]

prava rock zvijezda :rolleyes: umjesto da ih sve pošalje u 3 p...e materine on bi im još i pjevao i zvao tog najgoreg živućeg holokaust židova na koncert
rock zvijezde su poznate po raznoraznim izjavama i po raznoraznom ponašanju, ovaj se ponaša kao časna sestra, već sam napisao jednom da ima odlične pjesme ali da mi je dosadan

ovo je kap koja je prelila čašu
trganje počinje :deadhorse:
Thompsonu je to posao i na prvom mu je mjestu zarada. Nemoj mu previše zamjerat. On po meni nikad niti nije bio ništa više od domoljubnog zabavljača.

[slobodagovora]

Thompsonu je to posao i na prvom mu je mjestu zarada. Nemoj mu previše zamjerat.
zarada i trendovi su i uništili glazbu
A zašto kroz svoje pjesme ne napadne te iz simon wc-a?
Pa ti su napravili hrpetinu sranja Hrvatskoj, ne on im vođu ide zvati na koncert, još treba zvati i jewliu gorin.

On je itekako velika zvijezda, ima hrpetine obožavatelja tako da bi on mogao reći puno toga. Nije on neki beznačajni anonimac kojega bi se moglo strpati u zatvor bez da to mediji poprate niti bi to prošlo bez prosvijeda. Ulizivački stav za koju kunu više, e to ulizivanje mi se jednostavno gadi, i to je sve

[Sivi_Sokol]

zarada i trendovi su i uništili glazbu
A zašto kroz svoje pjesme ne napadne te iz simon wc-a?
Pa ti su napravili hrpetinu sranja Hrvatskoj, ne on im vođu ide zvati na koncert, još treba zvati i jewliu gorin.

On je itekako velika zvijezda, ima hrpetine obožavatelja tako da bi on mogao reći puno toga. Nije on neki beznačajni anonimac kojega bi se moglo strpati u zatvor bez da to mediji poprate niti bi to prošlo bez prosvijeda. Ulizivački stav za koju kunu više, e to ulizivanje mi se jednostavno gadi, i to je sve
Pa, kao što sam i rekao, zabavljač, i ništa više. A šta misliš da se okrene na Židove da bi ga CR zadržala kao izdavačka kuća, misliš da bi mogao pjevati po stadionima po Hrvatskoj, a i izvan nje? Malo ga se previše idealizira....
Ono što se meni sviđa je to što su njegovi koncerti pokazali da još uvijek imamo mladež svijesnu svojih korijena usprkos svim problemima i trudu vanjskih sila da nas pretvori u bezličnu i poslušnu masu.

[Jebivjetar]

Ajmo još malo više dramatizirati... :rolleyes:

Bez obzira pjeva li Thompson samo radi novaca ili iz nekih viših ciljeva, ostaje činjenica da njegove domoljubne/nacionalističke/kakogodtoželitenazvati poruke ne bi došle do širokih masa ukoliko bi krenuo s ekstremnim izjavama, otvorenim veličanjem ustaša, antisemitizma itd.

Ne bi bio u Croatia Recordsu, ne bi imao novaca 'zaposliti' odlične glazbenike koje sada ima, ne bi imao novaca za vrhunsku produkciju albuma, ne bi punio stadione nego bi pjevao po rupama itd.

Bio bi negdje na razini socijalnih white power bendova poput Skrewdrivera ili Landsera i slušala bi ga marginalna skupina ljudi uglavnom radi stihova, a ne zato jer pjesme stvarno valjaju.

[Sivi_Sokol]

Ajmo još malo više dramatizirati... :rolleyes:
...
Nitko tu ne dramatizira. slobodagovora je razočaran u svom idolu, da sam mlađi i ja bi isto reagirao, emocionalno, ne razumno. Kao tebi se to nikad nije dogodilo.

[Jebivjetar]

Zato je najbolje ne imati idole. ;)

[slobodagovora]

Nitko tu ne dramatizira. slobodagovora je razočaran u svom idolu, da sam mlađi i ja bi isto reagirao, emocionalno, ne razumno. Kao tebi se to nikad nije dogodilo.
ma nije on moj nikakav idol niti je ikad bio, koji idoli to nisam imao ni kad sam bio teenager, nego samo ako pjeva o problemima vezanim za Hrvatsku i Hrvate neka onda pjeva i o simon wc ekipi ali pošto to neće onda bar neka im vođu ne zove na koncert

a vezano za CR tu bih morao napisati previše teksta a to mi se stvarno ne da

[Sivi_Sokol]

Sa SF-a iz jučerašnje Slobodne Dalmacije od WpF-a:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5708/ideeewb5.jpg

[Slavic Enforcer]

Grand Inquisitor! :rofl:

Awesome. :)

[Rogerius Josephus Boscovich]

Ambasador Izraela u Hrvatskoj traži da Jadranka Kolarević zbog antisemitizma više ne bude članica Upravnog odbora HRT-a. „Iznenađen i duboko zaprepašten zbog antisemitskog istupa Jadranke Kolarević na sjednici Vijeća HRT-a 13. srpnja, tražim trenutnu istragu i, ako bude potrebno, sudski postupak”, navodi se u izvješću ambasadora Šmuela Meiroma. Jadranka Kolarević je na zahtjev direktora takozvanog Centra Simon Vizental iz Jeruzalema efraima zurofa za osudu snimka koncerta domoljubnog pjevača Marka Perkovića Tompsona na HRT-u, izjavila da zurof upozorava i podsjeća hrvatsku javnost na vrijemme NDH, ustaške logore i stradanja Židova u tim logorima, ali i da zaboravlja da vojska njegove zemlje gotovo svakodnevno ubija Palestince na njihovoj zemlji, ruši im kuće, napada i razara Libanon, a sve po modelu blickrig, za koji se zna ko ga je smislio.
Ona je prozvala zurofa zbog toga što nije protestirao kada je srpska paravojska ušla u Vukovar, noseći četničku zastavu pod kojom je 1941. u Srbiji i uz veliku pomoć te zastave i ideologije, put Berlina krenula poruka Hitleru da su Srbija i Beograd oslobođeni od Židova.

Komentirajući zahtjev ambasadora Izraela, direktor HRT-a Vanja Sutlić je za index.hr izjavio da se ono što nije dozvoljeno javnim osobama i političarima u Hrvatskoj u odnosu prema HRT-u odnosi i na goste u Hrvatskoj i da nije preporučljivo na taj način komunicirati s HRT-om.

Kvragu, što ga ti hebeni njemci nisu ubili tamo u Sobiboru, il od kud već se izvukao.

[Sivi_Sokol]

...Tompsona ... blickrig...

Od kud ti ovaj tekst? :confused:

[Ujo1]

Antikristi i masoni, komunisti ovi oni
šire sotonske fraze da nas poraze.


ja tu pripoznajen i kojeg židova...

[Sivi_Sokol]

27.07.2007 23:25

Thompson napunio Stari plac!

http://www.vecernji.hr/system/galleries/pics/070727/sce-thompson-txt.jpg

Marko Perković Thompson je u Splitu na starom Hajdukovom igralištu napravio reprizu Maksimira.

Više od 20 tisuća ljudi natiskalo se na travnjak i tribine oko velike bine, a još nekoliko tisuća ljudi koncert je slušalo i gledalo iz okolnih ulica i krovova niskih kuća oko stadiona. Bina je bila nešto manja, a mačevi koji su u Maksimiru bili vodoravno položeni, na splitskoj pozornici zabijeni su u zemlju.

Svaku pjesmu s Thompsonom je pjevala i publika, a u više je navrata bila obasjana bengalkama koje su donijeli sa sobom.

Zanimljivost ovog koncerta jest i ta da su policajci na ulazu kontrolirali publiku - i one koji su došli sa znakovljem izdvajali te protiv njih podnijeli prijave. (P. G.)
Večernji (http://www.vecernji.hr/newsroom/scena/1910827/index.do).

A netko je dolje (u komentaru) stavio i koncert u jednoj MP3 datoteci (http://www.sendspace.com/file/zov6nv).

[Jebivjetar]

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20070728/mozaik01.asp

Poljaci došli na koncert Thompsona. :D:D

[Rogerius Josephus Boscovich]

http://www.index.hr/images2/thompsonsplit2V.jpg

[Sivi_Sokol]

CROATIAN -
"...A onima, onima koji nas prozivaju. Raznim medijima, raznim udrugama, pojedincima, centrima(?), provokatorima... Svima njima večeras ne ćemo posvetit niti jedne riječi! Idemo dalje sa koncertom!..." - THOMPSON - 27.07.2007 Split

ENGLISH -
"... And to those who point their finger at us in disapproval. Various reporters, organizations, individuals, provocateurs... Tonight, we won't dedicate not a single word (to them)! On with the concert!..." - THOMPSON - 27.07.2007 Split
http://www.thephora.net/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

"... Ali ne ćemo ovu pismu počet sa fašističkim pozdravom, nego sa starim hrvatskim domoljubnim pokličem... ZA DOM! SPREMNI! (Bojna Čavoglave)" - - THOMPSON - 27.07.2007 Split

[Janos Hunyadi]

Another pic of two lovely fascist Ustase girls!

:)

http://www.net.hr/2007/05/16/0037007.17.jpg

[Sivi_Sokol]

Thompson pobrojao sve krivce koji ga povezuju s nacizmom i fašizmom

http://www.hcsp.hr/cute/data/upimages/thompson1.jpg

ZAGREB - Nacizam i fašizam nisu moji svjetonazori i mene povezivanje s njima vrijeđa te ću od svih koji me za to optužuju tražiti ispriku. Sa suradnicima formiram i odvjetnički tim pa ću i na taj način tražiti da me se zaštiti od njih i ostavi na miru - istaknuo je na današnjoj konferenciji za novinare, organiziranoj u povodu završetka turneje “Bilo jednom u Hrvatskoj” po SAD-u i Kanadi, pjevač Marko Perković Thompson.

Pritom je nabrojio one koji su ga optužili za nacizam i zbog kojih je imao problema u Americi. - Na prvome je mjestu četnički pokret Ravna Gora, oni su se oglasili prvi, a slijedi ih židovski Centar Simon Wiesenthal koji od toga radi biznis jer ne postoje nacisti i fašisti, a oni moraju nekoga optužiti da bi opravdali 60 milijuna dolara koje svake godine dobiju za svoj rad. Nikad nisam ni sanjao da će se četnici udružiti sa Židovima.

Treća strana su naši bijednici iz Hrvatske, koji su shvatili da se izdaja Hrvata može dobro honorirati, a tu se ubraja i naša diplomacija - nastavio je inače ne baš rječiti Thompson koji se u raspravu odlučio uključiti nakon što je koncert u Maksimiru, na koji je ponosan, opisan kao skup nacista.

http://www.hcsp.hr/cute/data/upimages/marko.jpg

Optužbe nisu zaobišle ni predsjednika Stjepana Mesića. - Strašno su me razočarali naši konzuli u Vancouveru, Torontu i New Yorku, kojima sam se obratio za zaštitu, a oni su se oglušili na moje pozive te su čak svima koji rade u konzulatima zabranili odlazak na koncerte.

Oni su, zajedno s Uredom predsjednika koji ih postavlja za konzule, dopustili tamošnji medijski linč na mene, i to me vrijeđa kao građanina ove države, branitelja i čovjeka - jasan je bio Thompson.

Problema, kako kaže, jedino nije imao u Los Angelesu, a snagu da izdrži dali su mu ljudi koji su posjećivali koncerte. - Ovo je po posjećenosti bila najuspješnija turneja jer je posjet dosad premašio 18.000 ljudi u odnosu na dosadašnjih 10.000 - naveo je pjevač.

Turneju nastavlja koncertima po Hrvatskoj i BiH, pa Europi i Australiji, a ima poziva i iz Južnoafričke Republike. Krajem sljedećeg tjedna izlazi novo live izdanje albuma “Bilo jednom u Hrvatskoj” s koncerta na Starom placu u Splitu 29. srpnja ove godine.
Sa stranica HČSP (http://hcsp.hr/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1196373059&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&)-a.

[Ace Rimmer]

Glavno da je 50cent hype i cool,opjevani kriminalac , zatvorenik i diler.

[Sivi_Sokol]

Glavno da je 50cent hype i cool,opjevani kriminalac , zatvorenik i diler.
Em je crnjo em uz ovaj gore opis je Wiesenthal approved proizvod.

[Dido]

Pred turnejom u Australiji, 29/12 - Melbourne, 31/12 - Sydney, 5/1 Adelaide, 6/1 Perth...i ovamo počela propaganda...

u "Australian Jewish News"

News (DECEMBER 6 2007)
Pro-Nazi band to tour Melbourne

NAOMI LEVIN

A REPRESENTATIVE from Festival Hall has confirmed that pro-Nazi Croatian singer Marko Perkovic, together with his band Thompson, will play in Melbourne on December 29.

Thompson has publicly expressed its support for the Ustashe, a pro-Nazi regime that was responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of people during World War II, and was known for singing nationalistic songs in support of Croatia.

The American Anti-Defamation League reported that concertgoers wore black shirts with Ustashe insignia and gave Nazi salutes while Thompson played.

The Israel director of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, Dr Ephraim Zuroff, told The European Jewish Press in July that a sell-out Thompson concert in Zagreb would “encourage Croatian extremist nationalists by giving official sanction to an event that constituted a brazen display of the symbols of Croatian racism, anti-Semitism and xenophobia.”

B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation Commission executive director Manny Waks said he was not surprised the Thompson concert was going ahead.

The AJN reported last month that Thompson was rumoured to be playing at the Melbourne Croatia Social Club in late December. These rumours were dismissed by club president Steven Mandekic, but Cam Smith from the anti-race-hate website Fight Dem Back said Croatian internet forums had been publicising the Melbourne concert.

Despite Perkovic and his band previously playing in Australia, Waks said he had petitioned former immigration minister Kevin Andrews not to allow Thompson back into Australia. Waks said he would call on new minister Senator Chris Evans to deny visas to the band members.

“This concert is highly inappropriate and offensive and we will be doing what we can to prevent it,” Waks said.

He said some members of Melbourne’s Croatian community had a history of displaying a poor attitude toward the Jewish community and that the ADC “would take a strong position about it”.

“Their [parts of the Croatian community’s] track record is not that impressive,” he said. A representative from Festival Hall – a West Melbourne venue that can hold more than 5000 people – spoke to The AJN but refused to allow his comments to be published.


i u "The Sunday Age" - Melbourne

Call to stop 'Nazi' rock gig
Megan Byrne
December 9, 2007

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JEWISH groups have asked the Government to prevent a Croatian band accused of glorifying Hitler from entering Australia for a national tour.

The controversial rock group Thompson, which has already been banned from entering the Netherlands because of its anti-Semitic lyrics, is booked to perform at Festival Hall this month before playing in Sydney on New Year's Eve, Adelaide and Perth.

The band's lead singer and songwriter, Marko Perkovic, has been criticised for using anti-Semitic lyrics, including the catchcry of the nationalist Croatian party Ustashi, whose collaboration with the Nazis resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Jews, Serbs and Gypsies. Thompson's performances frequently attract Ustashi and Nazi supporters, who are allegedly encouraged in the glorification of Hitler with shouts of "Heil Hitler" and the Nazi salute.

The B'Nai B'Rith Anti-Defamation Commission, a Jewish human rights organisation, has asked the Federal Government to ban the group.

The Melbourne leg of Thompson's tour is being sponsored by the Australian Croatian Association, based in Geelong, which could not be contacted despite several attempts by The Sunday Age. The gig follows a rock concert organised by neo-Nazi music promotion group Blood and Honour, which was held at the Croatia Social Club in mid-October.

Manny Waks from the Anti-Defamation Commission said the commission was "disturbed" by the Blood and Honour concert in October, and was disappointed that the Croatian community had now invited Thompson to perform.

"We deplore the Croatian community for associating themselves once again with a racist individual by hosting this event," he said.

But not everyone is against the group. Catherine Lukic, who works at the Australian Croatian Association's club, said she worked with the band when they played there several years ago. Ms Lukic describes Thompson as excellent entertainers who are extremely popular with both the young and old.

"I am nearly 60 years old and I enjoy them," she said. Ms Lukic was surprised to hear that Thompson had been criticised for anti-semitic lyrics.

"I never heard them say (nationalist catchcry) 'Za dom-Spremni' when they were here," she said.