Who is white?

[Dragonair]

By your opinion, who is white?
I accept the defination of people of European decent, even if they are not in Europe, like most argentinians.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I hate to break this from you, but Russians in general are not northern European racially.

"White" is a genetic term, its not a social construct, and historically, Caucasoids in general have been treated as whites in America. "Europeaness" IMHO has nothing to do with it.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Argentinians, being comprised of mostly northern Spaniards, Italians, and Germans, are obviously white. Whether this stays this way depends on their immigration policies. Argentina is probably more white than Sverige will be in 10 years.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I found that "northern Spain" comment funny. Have you been to Spain and Argentina?

[Dr. Gutberlet]

I found that "northern Spain" comment funny. Have you been to Spain and Argentina?


I have spent holiday in Galicia- specifically Vigo and A Coruña. Fine, fine white folks there. Very celtic in appearance.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I will say though that there are clear ingroups and outgroups.

Anglo-Saxon is the furthest ingroup and a Pakistani or Indian (not native american) would be on the outside of society but still possibly genetically white. And if there ever was a jim crow law, they wouldn't be colored.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

too bad scum saxons are zoglings to the utmost extent. They never messed with Sverige after Gustavus Adolphus handed them death and destruction.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I have spent holiday in Galicia- specifically Vigo and A Coruña. Fine, fine white folks there. Very celtic in appearance.

Great stuff, been to Galicia several times too...now, what differences do you see with Andalusians or Valencians? I would think you know since you said the above.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Those who said "Europeans from Swedes to Greeks" are not racialists.

If you said that, you are ignoring that Greeks are basically genetic Arabs yet calling them white just because of their geographic location.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Greeks are not arabs by a long shot. There are elements within them that surely must have picked up some Turk during the occupation and the settlement of turkish groups on greece but that does not make them arabs.

[Dragonair]

Those who said "Europeans from Swedes to Greeks" are not racialists.

If you said that, you are ignoring that Greeks are basically genetic Arabs yet calling them white just because of their geographic location.
When I mean 'white', I mean a person that acts European. The ancient greek culture is the basis of Europe, you can't ignore that.
So as a whole, I am more a 'culturalist' and not a 'racialist'. Why connect with a paki that has a strange, even enemish backround of ours just because of his 'genes'? That is not what's important in a person.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Kane just wants his middle eastern jews to be also "white" so he needs to strech the point ;)

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

When I say "black" I mean a person of negroid dna, not a cultural term, not a historical term, a genetic term.

Someone who doesn't act black enough doesn't become non-black. And I see no reason why white should be defined differently.

At any rate, I've dropped the term "white" now and replaced it with caucasoid so people know exactly what I mean when I say it.

[Slavic Enforcer]

I will only vote in opinion polls where I can see the names of those who voted.

[Dragonair]

Kane just wants his middle eastern jews to be also "white" so he needs to strech the point ;)
I'm also Jewish OO"...
Most Jews are not mid-easterners...
When I say "black" I mean a person of negroid dna, not a cultural term, not a historical term, a genetic term.

Someone who doesn't act black enough doesn't become non-black. And I see no reason why white should be defined differently.

At any rate, I've dropped the term "white" now and replaced it with caucasoid so people know exactly what I mean when I say it.
Maybe it will sound weird, but if 'white' streches all the way to central asia, so white is anti-European nationalist. Like beeing pro-European like me is anti-germanic nationalist, because it allows germanics to mix with slavic and romance people. And if we are going to allow pakis in the UK just because they are 'white', what have we done?

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I didn't say that.

I support nationalism of every nation. I don't think germanic and slavic nations as a whole should destroy their borders.

I'm not wn.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

You just crave to have your semites accepted in the l33t western group fighting for civilization :D

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Nothing to crave, Jews have always been considered "White" legally and socially.

[Dragonair]

You just crave to have your semites accepted in the l33t western group fighting for civilization :D
Most Jews are westerners anyway. Not? Look at so many people like Felix Mendelssohn.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

If somebody can prove to me that ALL European groups tend to share common ancestry, and that there are major genetic markers between Europeans and other whites, please post the info. I challenge you and don't think that conclusion can be reached scientifically.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I´m sorry Kane but there wont a spot for you on the white space station. Only progroms for you :D

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Alright, but you still aren't addressing the bigger scientific issues here.

Just proving that whites and europeans differ isn't enough, you have to prove that there are important genetic markers between them.

[Keystone]

Who is white?
Whomever I say is white.

This is a very blurred, overdone subject.

[Winston]

One does not need scientific evidence to determine who does and doesn't belong in their community.

[Starr]

Anyone of European descent. I do not consider all Caucasoids to be white in this way, arabs,etc. I do want to say, however that I do not consider someone who has a relatively insignificant amount of non white ancestry(outside of negroid)to be non white. I am thinking here, for example about someone who might look completely white and identify as white who has a native american ancestor somewhere in the woodpile.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Someone who looks white but who actively works to undermine the community that has nourished him to selflishly profit from that community even to the point of causing active harm to said community is not part of this group and should be taken out as a cancer.

[Keystone]

Anyone of European descent. I do not consider all Caucasoids to be white in this way, arabs,etc. I do want to say, however that I do not consider someone who has a relatively insignificant amount of non white ancestry(outside of negroid)to be non white. I am thinking here, for example about someone who might look completely white and identify as white who has a native american ancestor somewhere in the woodpile.
The problem with this, though, is there are always degrees and exceptions and personal tastes involved.
Why would having "negroid" blood rather than injun blood be different if it didn't show?

[Starr]

The problem with this, though, is there are always degrees and exceptions and personal tastes involved.
Why would having "negroid" blood rather than injun blood be different if it didn't show?


It is, I suppose, a matter of personal tastes. I just consider negroid blood to be such an irredeamable taint. It is also somewhat different in light of the way in which a European and Asiatic mix seems to much more often take on white characteristics. Completely the opposite is true, of course of a white and negroid mix.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Negroids are genetically more different. I would say it takes more generations to wash out negroid blood than anything else, but it can be done.

When I say arabs are white I mean by jim crow laws. They aren't colored. I also stand for shutting down globalism and keeping people in their own nations.

Obviously I don't consider my Jewish blood "washed out" I consider it to be white and still relatively significant.

[Winston]

A person with barely discernible negro ancestry is white enough for me. Think actor Wentworth Miller. He more white (and more welcome) than many Jews.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

The one drop law was a law made so that slave-owners could bang their slaves and make more slaves. I don't agree with it. If you don't appear negroid after enough generations than I think it makes more sense to consider you white than it does black.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

I think most white americans, who have been there for more than a few generations, have amerind blood; and this is why they make this exception.

[Starr]

I think most white americans, who have been there for more than a few generations, have amerind blood; and this is why they make this exception.


I don't think most do. I do think that many in this day like to think or say they do. I do know one person who actually does and he looks incredibly nordic. This is not even far removed either. He is a quarter native american.

[Keystone]

Negroids are genetically more different. I would say it takes more generations to wash out negroid blood than anything else, but it can be done.
What?!

:rofl:
Obviously I don't consider my Jewish blood "washed out" I consider it to be white and still relatively significant.
You're not jewish, kane.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

It surprises me that Indian blood can be washed out in just two generations, I suppose by random chance he may have gotten a smaller amount of Indian blood than was possible. Its possible also that some of the indian dna was recessive and he's carrying it but not showing the traits himself. And I don't claim all Caucasoids are nordic, I'm not and don't look nordic. There are, however, nordics supposedly in India which makes the "European race" not make sense.

You're not jewish, kane.
It is part of my ethnic background whether you like it or not and it is not "washed out." I don't claim to be fully Jewish though.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

I don't think most do. I do think that many in this day like to think or say they do. I do know one person who actually does and he looks incredibly nordic. This is not even far removed either. He is a quarter native american.


Again, judging solely by phenotype is dumb.

[Keystone]

It is part of my ethnic background whether you like it or not and it is not "washed out." I don't claim to be fully Jewish though.
My great grandmother was from Ireland. That doesn't make me Irish.

[Starr]

Again, judging solely by phenotype is dumb.


I do not neccessarily consider this person to be white. Anyone who did not know of his racial makeup, definitely would though(just a look at his mother would tell someone he has native american blood) i was just giving this as sort of an example of how quickly typical native american characteristics can become visibly non prominent. This would be a lot more unusual for someone who is a quarter negroid.

There are four kids in the family. He and his brother and one sister look very white, like the dad and one sister looks more questionable and like the mother(they are all full siblings, same mom and dad)

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I don't think full purity exists but if they can fool you they are white enough for me.

I don't think there is a such thing as a pure white as a standard that the majority of people in Europe could match if we tested their dna.

I don't know of any non-white ancestors I have.

[Hartmann von Aue]

too bad scum saxons are zoglings to the utmost extent. They never messed with Sverige after Gustavus Adolphus handed them death and destruction.

I hate to disillusion you, but:

During this time both Christina and La Peyrère met with Menasseh Ben Israel, who was later invited by Oliver Cromwell's government to England to negotiate the readmission of Jews to that country. Menasseh became a convert to La Peyrère's belief that the coming of the Jewish Messiah was imminent. La Peyrère also argued that Messiah would join with the king of France (that is, the Prince of Condé, not Louis XIV of France) to liberate the Holy Land, rebuild the Temple and set up a world government of the Messiah with the king of France acting as regent. It has since emerged that, in fact "Condé, Cromwell and Christina were negotiating to create a theological-political world state, involving overthrowing the Catholic king of France, among other things" (Garber & Ayers, Cambridge History of Seventeenth-Century Philosophy, p. 407).

http://www.speakeasy-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=21075

Napoleon's Marshal Bernadotte (founder of the Swedish Royal Line) is also believed to be of Jewish descent.

http://www.chivalricorders.org/nobility/nobjews.htm

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Only germanics 0 0%
Only northwestern Europeans including the baltics 0 0%
Only northen Europeans racially, including russians 2 11.76%
Only western Europeans, including italians, but excluding russians 1 5.88%
All Europeans, from swedes to greeks 9 52.94%
All European as well as iranians, lebanese, ect' 2 11.76%
All caucasoids 2 11.76%
Other defination/there is no race 1 5.88%
lol, whites can't even agree on who is white. Blacks would never have such a problem.

I think the race of western Eurasia is basically one race with different subraces. Certainly some groups are more traditionally American but I don't think the others are non-white.

[The Retard]

White people all have similar facial features, skin tone, appearance, etc...

[Isra'il Yahya]

Caucasoids or the white race are all Europeans including non-mixed Arabs and non-mixed Jews of their various types. There also exist sub-racial varieties that are in between various racial and sub-racial groupings. East-Baltids and other Uralic influenced types have Lappoid/Turko-Mongol admixture. So their whiteness is questionable. Most Russians are not Nordic by race. There are some Nordic Russians, but most Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, and other Slavs are in the Baltid or Alpine continuum depending upon location. Most Germans are also Alpine. Irish people are majorly Upper Paleolithic and Brunn. UP, Baltid, and Brunn types are mixed with Nordic types but are often mostly non-Nordic.

Nordic has nothing to do with skin color, hair color, or eye color. It is a skeletal formation and phenotype. You can find Nordics in the Saharan Desert with skin verging on black.

http://www.white-history.com/earlson/hfk/ebracegal2_files/138.jpg

East-Baltid

http://www.white-history.com/earlson/hfk/reoehchap2a_files/11.jpg

Nordid

http://www.white-history.com/earlson/hfk/reoehchap2b_files/56.jpg

Mediterranean

http://www.white-history.com/earlson/hfk/reoehchap2c_files/81.jpg

Dinaric

http://www.white-history.com/earlson/hfk/reoehchap2d_files/104b.jpg

Alpine

[Keystone]

Whites are all Europeans including non-mixed Arabs and non-mixed Jews of their various types.
That's closest to my own belief, so I'll throw in with your definition.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Everybody tells me Jews are not european and now they are all saying Jews are european. It confuses me at times.

Ukkonen was right on every single point he made, except I think caucasoid is a better term if you are looking to include arabs.

Some europeans, jews, and arabs look like mud. This is because they have a noticeable amount of non-white admixture. They aren't whites. But a pure arab, jew, or european is white. And north africans are indigenously caucasoid also.

[Keystone]

Ukkonen was right on every single point he made, except I think caucasoid is a better term if you are looking to include arabs.
Whatever term suits you.

I've considered jews to be white long before internet forums, and I haven't changed my mind.

[Hartmann von Aue]

It's silly to try and establish a fixed line between "white" and "non-white."

Some people clearly are - some clearly are not.

Some people are "whiter" than others.

Some have a pronounced asiatic strain.

[ArmedWhiteGirl]

I hate to break this from you, but Russians in general are not northern European racially.

"White" is a genetic term, its not a social construct, and historically, Caucasoids in general have been treated as whites in America. "Europeaness" IMHO has nothing to do with it.


What does it matter, anyway?
Hunter

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Because the race extends to north africa and eurasia therefore "european" is a misnomer if you are talking about the light-skinned, round-eyed race.

[B-Pep]

In my opinion, someone is "white" if 7 of their 8 ancestors are non-jewish Europeans. Those who are 1/4th non-Aryan (including jew) can be considered Aryan if they have an Aryan spirit, but this is case by case basis.

I find that Anglo-Saxon system of racial classification laughably stupid however. Jessica Biel, Val Kilmer, and a few others would be called mestizos if they were born south of the US border, but no, they are "white" in the USA. However, Alexis Bledel a 100% European Argentinian girl is "Hispanic" (ie non-white) as with Antonio Banderas and Paz Vega, two Spaniards. I forgot to mention, Martin Sheen is multi-racial, LOL!

I voted to include SOME Persians, SOME Armenians, and SOME Lebanese in this greater Aryan family, as they are sometimes indistinguishable from Europeans.

[Starr]

I voted to include SOME Persians, SOME Armenians, and SOME Lebanese in this greater Aryan family, as they are sometimes indistinguishable from Europeans.

I agree with this.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

B-pep I don't consider slavs to be "aryan" any more than jews are.

Aryan by Hitler meant nordic pretty much.

[B-Pep]

B-pep I don't consider slavs to be "aryan" any more than jews are.

Aryan by Hitler meant nordic pretty much.

This does not make sense. The NSDAP was only open to people of Aryan stock, so why was Hitler allowed to enter, he was not nordic. Rudolf Hess, who was half-Greek, would not be Nordic by that definition. Magdalena Nile del Rio, an Argentinian of Spanish descent (I believe) was Hitler's favorite actress. Himmler, Goebbels, and actually most of the NSDAP were not Nordic either. Admiring the beauty and uniqueness of Nordic people, does not make you a nordicist.

It is true that initially Slavs were mistreated by the SS , ETC, but this was more out of payback for WWI and their bolshevik system than it was because of racial reasons. Later on in the war the third reich changed it's policies on Slavs and evolved to include Slavic people as part of the Aryan family. I have quotes to prove this if you don't believe me.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

B-pep they even had Jews who were declared "honorary aryans" in nazi Germany. Kind of fucked up. But that was status for special people. They certainly preferred nordics.

[B-Pep]

B-pep they even had Jews who were declared "honorary aryans" in nazi Germany. Kind of fucked up. But that was status for special people. They certainly preferred nordics.

I agree with rewarding the very rare example of a jew with the Aryan spirit that title. To an extent, yes they prized nordics, this is because Nordics are a minority in Europe and hence most in need of preservation. However, you can say the same about anywhere else in the world, including the USA. In the USA blonde women were prized by hollywood, in Slavic countries people are portrayed as blonde in paintings, ETC.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I think of those types of Jews as traitors personally. That's like a Russian joining Napoleon.

[Dragonair]

I voted to include SOME Persians, SOME Armenians, and SOME Lebanese in this greater Aryan family, as they are sometimes indistinguishable from Europeans.

What matters is culture and not 'race',most Jews are culturally Euros, but Persians are not. Iran is an Islamic state.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Personally I would not mix with a Persian, Armenian or Lebanese no matter how white they "looked". I could not be sure what sort of offspring with hidden genes would spring up eventually. And, since I would not dare to mix and I would not consider them part of my community, and thus, not white.

The only thing I see here is racially dubitative (and dubious) people trying to whitewash (great word) themselves by extending and spreading more and more the meaning on it as to fit right in.

[Dragonair]

Personally I would not mix with a Persian, Armenian or Lebanese no matter how white they "looked". I could not be sure what sort of offspring with hidden genes would spring up eventually. And, since I would not dare to mix and I would not consider them part of my community, and thus, not white.

The only thing I see here is racially dubitative (and dubious) people trying to whitewash (great word) themselves by extending and spreading more and more the meaning on it as to fit right in.
Hey, I'm trying to prove that Iran is a mud country, I just said most Jews are westerners by culture. If so, what do genes matter? You can't see them, a behavior you can.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Genes matter everything Venus because you can have a nation under a degenerate bolshevik yoke for a thousand years in stagnation and backwardness and still at the end genes can turn that over into a magnificent Empire. Loose the genes and that building block and hope for civilization is lost.
I would agree with your views regarding Jews if they had (and have) not done anything in their hands to further their small elite interests over that of the bigger western civilization. Their selfishness in this regard has made them a cancer for the rest of the west no matter how much they also hate the spread of Islam and moors or how western their view is about economics.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

We need to separate between the terms western and white.

Someone can be genetically white but a muslim or a hindu, and someone can be western but a negro.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Most reasonable people understand what is meant under "western" and "white". Both terms can be streched a bit but most people will also understand when this these terms get streched to much in order to cover all sorts of people.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Okay but the historical definition of white has never not included Jews, so if you are inventing your own, you are doing the shrinking, I am not doing the stretching.

This idea that whiteness is tied to a geographical area is a new one too. Its true most Europeans are white, but many whites are not European.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

European is for me a term that trascends mere riverlines and oceans. And it does not include Jews nor Gypsies no matter how long they have lived amongst us, changed their names or micenegated themselves blond. Jews might in some cases pass as whites but their disloyalty towards the communities that housed them for centuries is not easily forgotten. Gypsies at least adpoted the faith of the Continent.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

But european doesn't matter, white does. I'd like to see europe survive don't get me wrong but somebody like Castro is equally white to me.

I respect the nationalism of European countries and I encourage it. But America is its own thing, and holding onto traditionalism just for its own sake doesn't make sense to me.

[B-Pep]

Personally I would not mix with a Persian, Armenian or Lebanese no matter how white they "looked". I could not be sure what sort of offspring with hidden genes would spring up eventually. And, since I would not dare to mix and I would not consider them part of my community, and thus, not white.

There are Lebanese people who are actually of wholly European descent, ancestors of Greeks, Slavics, and crusaders. Armenians are the same, Adolf Hitler considered the Armenians to be Aryans. Persians you can make an argument for though, but there are some notable examples such as that red haired guy from the Iraqi Government.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

But european doesn't matter, white does. I'd like to see europe survive don't get me wrong but somebody like Castro is equally white to me.

I respect the nationalism of European countries and I encourage it. But America is its own thing, and holding onto traditionalism just for its own sake doesn't make sense to me.


Castro's family was from Galicia. European though not born there.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

There are Lebanese people who are actually of wholly European descent, ancestors of Greeks, Slavics, and crusaders. Armenians are the same, Adolf Hitler considered the Armenians to be Aryans. Persians you can make an argument for though, but there are some notable examples such as that red haired guy from the Iraqi Government.

Sure...but c´mon..what are the chances that since the Crussades there is not some moor or two, or some nubian in the woodpile. You are free to mix based on pure "looks" I ask my long term partners for some bios.

[Odysseus]

In case any of you didn't know, I'm the one voter for Other defination/there is no race, oh and BTW you misspelled definition.

[B-Pep]

Sure...but c´mon..what are the chances that since the Crussades there is not some moor or two, or some nubian in the woodpile. You are free to mix based on pure "looks" I ask my long term partners for some bios.


If they have a moorish ancestor from the 17th, or 18th century, is it really that big of a deal? How many Europeans that you and I would consider "white" can claim pure ancestors for the past 10 generations? This is where the contradiction begins. Some questionable person from Bulgaria or Greece is fine and dandy, but someone who is phenotypically Aryan from Lebanon is an Arab?

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I guarantee you there is no genetic marker that separates a european from a non-european. The fact is nordics, alpines, and Mediterraneans all differ and Mediterraneans are found off of europe.

Supposedly, nordics were in India, so "europe" didn't create nordics.

[Winston]

In case any of you didn't know, I'm the one voter for Other defination/there is no race, oh and BTW you misspelled definition.

There is no race? That's a bold statement. Care to back it up?

[Count Sudoku]

Someone else said we can tell whether a country is white or not depending on how much pressure it is under to accept massive non-white immigration.

[Odysseus]

There is no race? That's a bold statement. Care to back it up?

Not particularly. I did it more just to be disagreeable. Even though what is considered 'white' is so diffuse and varied that to claim we are one race is the height of idiocy.
How can a group evolve on different sides of the Mediterranean be different races yet a group from France is the same race as a Caucasian in Palestine? It just doesn't fit. It is far more valid to divide a group by its national origins than its racial ones. National origins speak to how that individual was raised, in sub-Saharan Africa there is a very good chance for a young African girl to be 'circumcised' (they circumcise their girls but not their boys WTF?) whereas a black girl in America is (reasonably) safe from the possibility of female circumcision.
Culture and Society are more indicative of a group than race has ever been.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Because, Caucasoids are capable of integration but integrating people who are genetically different is both impossible and undesirable.

In my minds Arabs and Persians could, if not for bad historical circumstances, potentially see themselves as friends of Europeans, but Blacks and Asians can't. I still don't support nations taking down their borders though.

[Odysseus]

Because, Caucasoids are capable of integration

What non-whites can't interbreed? Nations (in a cultural sense) are the only factor that one can use to properly make an assumption on their (group) character. Nations themselves and their imaginary lines they call borders
are meaningless.

[Isra'il Yahya]

I guarantee you there is no genetic marker that separates a european from a non-european. The fact is nordics, alpines, and Mediterraneans all differ and Mediterraneans are found off of europe.

Supposedly, nordics were in India, so "europe" didn't create nordics.

Nords and Meds came to Europe in invasions. The Nords are an adaptation of a more southerly type to a harsher climate than the Black Sea and Mesopotamia. The blondism of the Nords comes from partial mixing with the Baltids as well as an evolutionary process that took place in the Baltic area where they co-mingled, warred, and numerous population transfers ocurred.

The Indo-Europeans invaded and assimilated the Cro-Magnon people in varying degrees. The Cro-Magnon being skilled worthy people already having knowledge of agriculture, collective communities, and metal-working, even if not having knowledge of the primitive iron smithing that the I-E's had known at the time, earned them their survival which coupled with their courageous nature built a new race that we know as the European. The Indo-Europeans invaded countless other lands but fell to stagnancy or progressed rather slowly when not coupled with the intellectual capacity of the higher evolutions of Europe and Asia. Adventure, discovery, arts, a primitive understanding science via everyday actions, and more were traits that both types shared.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Isn't this pathetic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_(people)#Social_and_physical_perceptions_of_white

I just want people to know, when I say white, I'm not talking about all this legal nonsense and politics, I'm talking about genetics. After seeing how the definition has changed infinity times, I don't care if I'm considered white or not.

Hopefully humans will be properly categorized by their dna one day.
Social and physical perceptions of white

See also: Race, Social interpretations of race, and Race (historical definitions)

Definitions of white have changed over the years, including the official definitions used in many countries, such as the United States and Brazil.[16] Some defied official regulations through the phenomenon of "passing", many of them becoming white people, either temporarily or permanently. Through the mid- to late 20th century, numerous countries had formal legal standards or procedures defining racial categories (see cleanliness of blood, apartheid in South Africa, hypodescent). However, as critiques of racism, scientific arguments against the existence of race, and international prohibitions on state racial discrimination arose, a trend towards self-identification of racial status arose.

[edit] Australia

From the late 19th century through 1973, the Government of Australia restricted all permanent immigration to the country by non-Europeans under the White Australia policy, which was enabled by the Immigration Restriction Act 1901,[17] but not formally codified. Immigration inspectors were empowered to ask immigrants to take dictation from any European language as a test for admittance, a test used in practice to exclude people from Asia, South America, Europe and Africa depending on the political climate. Under the policy, large numbers of Portuguese, Italian, Greek, South Slavic, German, Dutch and Polish immigrants were admitted following World War II, assimilating into the country's Anglo-Celtic population.[18] Immigration is no longer restricted to White people.

[edit] Brazil

Main article: White Brazilian

Brazil's definition of whiteness is premised on racial mixture rather than hypodescent, producing a range of historical categories for race. As a term, white is more broadly applied than in North America.

Recent censuses in Brazil are conducted on the basis of self-identification. In the 2000 census, 53% of Brazilians (approximately 90 million people in 2000; around 100 million as of 2006) were white and 39% pardo or multiracial Brazilians. White is applied as a term to people of European, Jewish and Arab descent. The census shows a trend of fewer Brazilians of African descent (blacks and pardos) identifying as white people as their social status increases.[19]

[edit] Canada

In the results of Statistics Canada's 2001 Canadian Census, white is one category in the population groups data variable, derived from data collected in question 19 (the results of this question are also used to derive the visible minority groups variable). [20]

In the 1995 Employment Equity Act, '"members of visible minorities" means persons, other than Aboriginal peoples, who are non-Caucasian in race or non-white in colour'. In the 2001 Census, persons who marked-in Chinese, South Asian, Black, Filipino, Latin American, Southeast Asian, Arab, West Asian, Japanese or Korean were included in the visible minority population.[21] A separate census question on "cultural or ethnic origin" (question 17) does not refer to skin colour.[22]

[edit] Norway

According to the Norwegian Social Science Data Service, white is a possible answer to ethnic/people group category question. After Norwegians, Sami, Kvens and other Nordics, it is mentioned as White/European.[23]

[edit] United Kingdom

In the UK, the Office for National Statistics uses the term White as an ethnic category. The terms White British, White Irish and White Other are used. White British includes Welsh, English and Scottish peoples, as well as residents of Northern Ireland who identify as British. The category White Other includes all white people not from the British Isles.[24][25] In the UK white usually refers only to people of native British and European origin.[26]

[edit] United States

Main article: White American

The U.S. Census currently defines "white people" as "people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.[27] The U.S. Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Investigation also categorizes "white people" as "people having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa through racial categories used in the UCR Program adopted from the Statistical Policy Handbook (1978) and published by the Office of Federal Statistical Policy and Standards, U.S. Department of Commerce. [28]

The cultural boundaries separating White Americans from other racial or ethnic categories are contested and always changing. Among those not considered White at some time in American history have been the Irish, Germans, Ashkenazi Jews, Italians, Spaniards, Slavs, Greeks and other Mediterranean peoples.[29]

Professor David R. Roediger of the University of Illinois, suggests that the construction of the white race in the United States was an effort to mentally distance slave owners from slaves.[30] By the 18th century, white had become well established as a racial term. The process of officially being defined as white by law often came about in court disputes over pursuit of citizenship. The Immigration Act of 1790 offered naturalization only to "any alien, being a free white person". In at least 52 cases, people denied the status of white by immigration officials sued in court for status as white people. By 1923, courts had vindicated a "common-knowledge" standard, concluding that "scientific evidence" was incoherent. Legal scholar John Tehranian argues that in reality this was a "performance-based" standard, relating to religious practices, education, intermarriage and a community's role in the United States.[31]

[edit] Contemporary U.S. Census
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In U.S. census documents, the designation white overlaps with the term Hispanic, which was introduced in the 1980 census as a category of ethnicity, separate and independent of race.[32] In cases where individuals do not self-identify, the U.S. census parameters for race give each original origin a racial value. This groups Middle Eastern Americans and North African American together with European Americans as White Americans.

The U.S. census assumes that all unidentified Israeli Americans are white. By responding Israel in the U.S. census, a person will be categorized as white, even though not all Israelis are of European (Ashkenazi or Sephardi) or Middle Eastern (Mizrahi) descent. They may be Jews of Ethiopian (Beta Israel), Yeminite (considered by some a Mizrahi subgroup) or Indian descent; or they may be Israeli Arabs or Druze (who may or may not identify themselves as Arabs). Also, someone who states South African or Australian can be classified as black or aboriginal even if they are white.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Most Jews are white, however they hurt their case by following desert voodoo. I would say that white xtians should also refrain from following insanity born in the desert.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

European (Ashkenazi or Sephardi) or Middle Eastern (Mizrahi) descent.
I suppose they come from Europe but before that they came from the middle-east. Nobody can make up their mind. At any rate, being genetically white and being middle-eastern in my opinion are not mutually exclusive, you can be both.

Christianity is a middle-eastern originated religion, but not a religion based on blood.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Christianity is a middle-eastern originated religion

Thus abhorrent IMO.

[Ratatoskur]

If in fact you are a human being 123, and a white one at that, I recommend all phorans to refer to me as a fucking nigger from here on end. If you want to be specific, fjord-nigger and sea-monkey are acceptable terms.

But white? Like Kane?

Playah, don't b hatin'.

[delete]

If in fact you are a human being 123, and a white one at that, I recommend all phorans to refer to me as a fucking nigger from here on end. If you want to be specific, fjord-nigger and sea-monkey are acceptable terms.

But white? Like Kane?

Playah, don't b hatin'.

Funny that you mention it, as I got this neg rep message from him,
Fuck off, you Norwegian monkey
so it is posible that he will comply. :)

[leo_matousian]

Personally I would not mix with a Persian, Armenian or Lebanese no matter how white they "looked". I could not be sure what sort of offspring with hidden genes would spring up eventually. And, since I would not dare to mix and I would not consider them part of my community, and thus, not white.

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ok gentlemen.

no matter what you consider armenians please dont make false propagendas.
and relate us to groups which we are not related at all.

armenians dont look like persians neither like lebanese.

some persians look white but majority of them are mixed with dravidians
and semits.
and lebanese people look middle eastern.


here you can hundreads group pics of armenians
http://www.panaryan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2622&page=2

of course i consider my nation as european nation and not like persians
or lebanese.and i see georgians and other caucasians except azeris
are related to us and look like us so much.
but i dont want to get mixed with other nations.


and every one who has been in armenia,georgia,chechnya will feel
himself in eastern europe.

i dont care what you consider us but please dont make false propagendas.