15 youths sought in Toronto shooting

[Felix the Cat]

15 youths sought in shooting (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=3a30cc34-aecc-417d-8a84-c9390f13196e&k=83290)

TORONTO - Toronto police are looking for as many as 15 suspects in the Boxing Day gunfight that sent bullets flying through a throng of shoppers, killing a 15-year-old girl and wounding six other bystanders.

"You have people out on the busiest shopping day of the year, minding their own business and ... they were just set upon by these hoodlums," Detective Sergeant Savas Kyriacou told a news conference yesterday. "That's the only way I can describe these people."

The teenager was in a crowd of shoppers across the street from the shootout when she was struck in the head by a stray bullet. Police are not releasing the girl's name pending results of an autopsy scheduled for today.

The violence on Monday comes at the end of a year in which Toronto has experience a marked increase in gun violence. Fifty-two people have been shot and killed, almost double the 27 killed by guns in 2004. Police blame the increase on turf wars between rival drug gangs, and the problem has authorities and politicians at all levels searching for answers.

Detectives acknowledged they have little evidence so far to identify the gunmen who exchanged "numerous" shots on one of the busiest blocks of downtown Yonge Street, a gun battle that apparently erupted after an altercation between two groups of young men at a sporting goods store.

"What took place is still under investigation," said Det.-Sgt. Kyriacou. "So far what we do know ... is that there were a number of youths involved."

Two men were arrested at a nearby subway station shortly after the shooting and a handgun was seized, but they have not yet been charged and investigators have not said whether they were involved. "At this point we're still trying to determine what, if any, role these two individuals played in this incident," Det.-Sgt. Kyriacou said.

He said police are looking for between "10 and 15 youths" who were involved in an altercation just outside the Foot Locker store on Yonge Street, near the Eaton Centre, where the shooting began.

Detectives have said a number of handguns were used in the shooting, which erupted across the street from a Sam the Record Man and a Future Shop, stores that draw some of the biggest Boxing Day crowds.

However, they still do not know exactly what set off the shooting or the identities of those involved.

Det.-Sgt. Kyriacou said the shooting victims -- which included an off-duty Toronto police officer -- are being treated as innocent bystanders. One is in critical condition, he said.

"It was a tragic loss and a tragic day," Det.-Sgt. Kyriacou said. "Toronto has finally lost its innocence. I think we're going to feel this day for a long time to come."

Paul Martin, the Prime Minister, said in a statement that he was horrified by the shooting.

"The taking of an innocent young life is always an outrage but doubly so when it occurs during a season which is dedicated to celebrating the joys of family and peace," Mr. Martin said.

David Miller, the Mayor of Toronto, decided to cut short his vacation in Spain and return home after hearing of the shooting. "I was stunned ... and like all Torontonians, I was outraged," he said in an interview yesterday.

[raven]

Yes it is an outrage Martin. Now do Canada a favour and reinstitute the death penalty so we can bust a cap in this nigga.

[Felix the Cat]

Youth leaders blame alienation (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=a2783184-0ea8-463c-b8a6-eb038524d787)

A group of youth leaders gathered in front of City Hall yesterday said the Boxing Day shootings on Yonge Street were not the beginning of a crisis, but part of a continuing spiral of violence that has plagued Toronto all year.

"There have been over 50 killings this year. I think they're equally horrible," said Kofi Hope, a 22-year-old member of the Black Coalition Against Violence. "It happened in public and it happened during the holiday season, but this has been happening again and again and again."

Joined by other representatives of the Toronto Youth Cabinet, Mr. Hope said the victims and perpetrators of this year's gun violence have been "disproportionally African-Canadian" and that the issue had been "ghettoized" until it exploded into the city's downtown core on Dec. 26.

He believes the mindset necessary to open fire in a busy shopping district is bred by a sense of alienation within their own communities and a hopelessness brought about by lack of opportunity and community support.

"Who could be pushed to have such apathy to let loose gunfire in a crowd of innocent people?" he asked. "There is a sense of alienation that makes them feel like outsiders in their own community."

Toronto Youth Council member Keegan Henry-Mathieu read a list of measures the group wants taken by City Hall, including increased funding for youth-led projects throughout the city, more money to maintain the programs and facilities that already exist and the immediate hiring of 100 young people from at-risk areas into co-op work programs.

"It is intolerable for violence to be accepted as a fact of life in marginalized communities," he said.

Mr. Hope said that young people who feel no value in society will often turn to gangs for a sense of self-worth.

A change of attitude is necessary among the young, he said, but the community at large also has to watch out for early warning signs that an individual could be drawn into a violent lifestyle.

"Is the community going to step in?" he asked. "Is a neighbour going to say I know the kid that's getting involved in that gang and I'm going to speak with his parents. Is someone going to say I know this single mother who's working two jobs and she's not going to be able to be home to look after her child because she's trying to keep the lights on. Are we going to put programs in place to look after her kids?"

Cracking down on guns is not going to make a difference, he said, until those attitudes and relationships also change.

"It's not simply having access to a gun that created this situation. Just because someone has a gun does not predetermine that they will be so callous as to fire bullets when there are innocent bystanders all around. It had to do with what was going on in that individual's mind. It's his sense of alienation and the idea that it didn't matter."

[Felix the Cat]

Related thread (http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2623)

[raven]

Here are some comments that Canadians (and one American) have posted on CBC's website. It is good to see that at least some "regular" Canadians understand what the fuck is going on.


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A 15 year old girl murdered and Mayor David Miller STILL doesn't get it! He immediately tries to absolve the criminal animals responsible for the Boxing Day shootings by claiming that we need to spend more on youth and social programs - i.e. it's not their fault. Wrong, Mr Miller.

This all stems from a lack of values within a certain cultural group in our society which glorifies violence, the abuse of women and fathering as many children as possible but taking no responsibility for raising them properly. In other words, a culture where personal accountability has no place.

This is the result of years of political correctness during which critical social issues have been swept under the rug for fear of offending certain groups and the worst is yet to come.

—T. Johnson | Toronto
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The GTA is going to suffer immensely unless things change. Those who think social and employment programs for these "under privileged" is going to change things are in dreamland.

—Ken Kelly | NB

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Since a young girl was killed in Just Deserts by black thugs about 20 year ago, the politicians in city hall and elsewhere tried to hide the face of crime from Canadians. Police are forbidden to collect crime data by race, but people know who the devils are.
Immigration from crime infested countries should be stopped. Welfare payments to single mothers breeding gangsters should be eliminated. These are the root causes, but politicians will look the other way and talk nonsense.

—J. Villa | Toronto

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I'm tired of black crime, black youth are to blame and the Canadian immigration policy that only wants to bring French speaking Africans to this country!
What can you expect from this culture? Those people dress like thugs and gangsters, how can you expect them to get a job? They don't like to work! They just want to sell drugs and shoot people! —John D | Toronto


Well you can blame it on guns, and you can blame it on politics and you can blame it on poverty. The real blame lies in our open immigration policy.
We have opened our doors to people who come from countries where crime runs rampant, there is little regard for human life, and tribalism is ingrained into their cultures. What did we expect? Did we expect that our gracious hospitality was going to change all that instantly?
If we want to save our country from more of the same, we must take a close look at out immigration policy. One country isn't going to solve all of the world's problems by opening her arms to anyone who wishes to come here to hide, plan terrorist activities, plot revolutions, traffic drugs and shoot wildly amongst families out spending time together.

—B Williams | Red Deer, Alberta

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God Almighty, how many times do we have to go over the same set of circumstance and facts so the our media (cough) can blame poverty or White society or unemployment or concoct any excuse instead of looking for the truth?

The truth is: that these people only qualify for the lowest of employment with their job skills and they choose not to take these jobs that are being fed to them on a silver spoon or to even try to qualify themselves. The simple fact is that gang criminality and drug money is more of an enticement to them because they don't think out the consequences of this type of lifestyle.

The truth is: Canada's crime problem is not a gun problem per say. It's a racial problem. And it's the same problem that Americans saw in New Orleans or Toledo and the same problem that France is experiencing with their African minorities.

It's always the same group of violent,primitivee savages that commit these spur of the moment shootings. Their crime rate simply reflects theirprimatee, violent behavior that they exhibit in their own countries of origin. They commit these types of crimes on a daily basis there, so why do people expect them to modify their behavior just because of a change of address?

—Larry Edwards | FT Worth, TX

I originally found the link to this on Stormfront but I'll post the CBC link where you can find these comments below:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/yourspace/boxingday_shooting.html

I am proud of all these Canadians (and that one American) who are letting Canada's government that we will not stand for this any longer.

[Starr]

And if they were to say these things publically?

I think(or maybe want to believe) that a lot more people are aware of these things than we think.

He believes the mindset necessary to open fire in a busy shopping district is bred by a sense of alienation within their own communities and a hopelessness brought about by lack of opportunity and community support.

"Who could be pushed to have such apathy to let loose gunfire in a crowd of innocent people?" he asked. "There is a sense of alienation that makes them feel like outsiders in their own community."

Do these people have a list of excuses for negro behavior that they keep with them at all times? LOL. It is always the same exact excuses no matter what they do and where they do it.

[raven]

And if they were to say these things publically?

I think(or maybe want to believe) that a lot more people are aware of these things than we think.
Anima has a theory that those guys who wrote comments are probably guys from AMREN and similar white power groups (specifically Canadian visitors) who pounced on the CBC article asap and wrote up their frustrations. That probably is the case because as a Canadian it would come as a shock to me that "regular Canadians" would break the PC barrier and actually state the obvious. However you never know... as I said before I did discover that some people that I would have never thought were "closet racists." (like that example I brought up before about those two white guys i was working with unsupervised)

So who knows? Are a significant minority at least of Canadians "aware" of the problem? I'm thinking that the comments might not be made by "regular Canadians" but if they are then I must say that I am proud of this country. I don't know.

As for whether they would say this publically, probably not however the CBC is a government-owned broadcasting corporation (think Canada's version of BBC) so the fact that they even allow these unPC comments on there is surprising. Whats better is that these comments are going to be seen by a shitload of people considering that the CBC is very popular and many Canadians will stumble upon these comments of the article. But yeah I don't know... is the vast majority of Canada hooked on the multiculti koolaid? Were most of us "closet racists" in silence? Are more Canadians starting to develop a taste aversion to the koolaid? It's all up in the air. I just hope that a significant portion of Canada knows what's going on just like the Australian youth knew what was going on.

Why is the Canadian government, why are the Canadian people betraying the words of our creed?

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

[Vindex]

My crystal ball tells me this here be a hardy case of TNB.:222:

[Starr]

Anima has a theory that those guys who wrote comments are probably guys from AMREN and similar white power groups

The type of wording used might tend to suggest that.

Put people around blacks in the real world and it should and does become painfully obvious that "we are all the same" is a lie. Even, then, though people are going resist thinking of themselves as "racist." so they are going to fall back on the few good blacks they know or have known.(see, they are not all bad,etc) which also makes it easier to believe that black behavior and violence is the result of inequality,racism, whatever the excuse of the week is.

[raven]

The type of wording used might tend to suggest that.

Put people around blacks in the real world and it should and does become painfully obvious that "we are all the same" is a lie. Even, then, though people are going resist thinking of themselves as "racist." so they are going to fall back on the few good blacks they know or have known.(see, they are not all bad,etc) which also makes it easier to believe that black behavior and violence is the result of inequality,racism, whatever the excuse of the week is.
That is basically the kind of rationalizing that I was sort of using myself when I was a "closet racist" and didn't want to accept that reality. I knew that reality existed but you know, I kept making excuses to try to convince myself that I wasn't "racist" but deep down I in a way knew the reality.

Anarch in the shoutbox even mentioned that at one point I seemed like a rabid MSFer in the vein of a Kamandi. I use the example of homophobia/closet homosexuality as an example to illustrate the point. There are many homosexuals who go in the closet to not come to terms with their sexual orientation and as a defense mechanism become rabidly homophobic. In my case I didn't want to accept that I was a "racist"... I felt terrified of being labelled that, I was accused of being a closet racist on another forum for eg. and that really offended me at the time. So I guess as a self-defense mechanism I kind of had this outward appearance of this rabid anti-racist.

So I was doing the whole rationalizing thing however I think that I never really convinced myself of it fully. There were a few blacks I thought were decent, one I thought was a good friend in highschool (probably the biggest "uncle tom" i have ever met). But I still deep down had resentment towards black people... just not the "uncle toms" (aka civilized blacks) and it's still like that today for me except that I accept it now. It got to the point that I could no longer repress all of that. I thank Kamandi for that, he and his legion are the reason I couldn't take it anymore and revealed my trueself.

[Starr]

Yes, I do believe there is a lot of truth in this

In my case I didn't want to accept that I was a "racist"... I felt terrified of being labelled that, I was accused of being a closet racist on another forum for eg. and that really offended me at the time


LOL. Accusing you of being a closet racist sounds like something I would do and have done to others. It is fun to use the psychology shit when I have been bitched at, as in "are you pissed at me or yourself":D

I especially like to get on the case of people who will say "I know plenty of good black people" Why do they feel the need to say this to someone who is a "racist?" I think they are waiting for the response of "there are no good niggers"(which I do not give them) so, in their mind, I, and others like me, are proven wrong and they can feel better about themselves, "at least I am not that bad"etc.:rolleyes:

[OVERWATCH]

What these yoots need is more midnite basketball programs.

Not! Megacities, being overcrowded and full of unnatural pollutants and irritants, naturally encourage crime. Our modern touchy-feely society which sacrifices much in it's whoreship of freedumb and fussy-babyism, certainly doesn't help.

Want to take a bite out of crime? Institute a fascist police state whereby hooliganism is ruthlessly smashed. Hooligans laugh at the Law, and thumb their noses at Order, to continue with their base life of hedonism and violence at the expense of all others.

[Starr]

what they need is love and understanding, and for us to give them the message that they are valued members of our communities.

Yes, we need to reach out to them as if they were our brothers and sisters. They are in pain, don't you see?

[Kodos]

Want to take a bite out of crime? Institute a fascist police state whereby hooliganism is ruthlessly smashed.

Just go back to some resemblance of old British law, make petty theft punishable by 7 years exile and grand theft by death. But don't harass every congregation of teenagers that assembles( other then underage drinking maybe most of these don't actually commit any crimes).

[OVERWATCH]

what they need is love and understanding, and for us to give them the message that they are valued members of our communities.

Yes, we need to reach out to them as if they were our brothers and sisters.

True, maybe if we had just got on our knees and thrown our pants down fast enough, they would have gotten bored from our lack of resistance. They just need to get it out of their system, is all.

Screw that!:mad: Labour camps in Alaska for the lot of them! And not to allow their gang shite to just migrate there-because they would be run like boot camps. Teach all those fatherless punks a lesson or two in respect.

[OVERWATCH]

Want to take a bite out of crime? Institute a fascist police state whereby hooliganism is ruthlessly smashed.

Just go back to some resemblance of old British law, make petty theft punishable by 7 years exile and grand theft by death. But don't harass every congregation of teenagers that assembles( other then underage drinking maybe most of these don't actually commit any crimes).

I agree that you shouldn't throw a beat-down to teenagers for just hanging out, I am in favour of a draconian response to existing lawbreaking, instead of this stupid coddling of infants we have, and the system of so-called correctional facilities which is in effect a showcase for gangsterism, should be reformed along lines without consideration to degenerate freedumb.

For instance Japanese prisons are run by strict regulations, prisoners aren't even allowed to look each other in the eye, must remain silent unless spoken to, and remain orderly or they recieve a beat-down. This is what our prisons need- not more freedumb.

[OVERWATCH]

Im not sure exile would work now, because transit is faster now(an exile can just carjack someone and be back in civilisation in no time flat) plus there's not that many uninhabited lands lefts which would be goodplaces for exile.

[Kodos]

I agree that you shouldn't throw a beat-down to teenagers for just hanging out, I am in favour of a draconian response to existing lawbreaking, instead of this stupid coddling of infants we have, and the system of so-called correctional facilities which is in effect a showcase for gangsterism, should be reformed along lines without consideration to degenerate freedumb.

For instance Japanese prisons are run by strict regulations, prisoners aren't even allowed to look each other in the eye, must remain silent unless spoken to, and remain orderly or they recieve a beat-down. This is what our prisons need- not more freedumb.

Prisons turn petty criminals into crime machines, its like a criminal university almost( and often their record gives them a dim prospect of honest employment should they truely wish to reform)... for the lightest offenders( who are fit) I'd give em 5 years in the army... others should be exiled to penal colonies. Any crime grand theft or worse and they should recieve death... though in cases where this would remove all motivation from the criminal not to kill their victim something else should be worked out.

[Hakluyt]

Im not sure exile would work now, because transit is faster now(an exile can just carjack someone and be back in civilisation in no time flat) plus there's not that many uninhabited lands lefts which would be goodplaces for exile.
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[OVERWATCH]

Prisons turn petty criminals into crime machines, its like a criminal university almost( and often their record gives them a dim prospect of honest employment should they truely wish to reform)... for the lightest offenders( who are fit) I'd give em 5 years in the army... others should be exiled to penal colonies. Any crime grand theft or worse and they should recieve death... though in cases where this would remove all motivation from the criminal not to kill their victim something else should be worked out.

The only crimes which should be capital offences imo is murder.

The army sounds like a good idea, but it's debatable on whether we could really use entire divisions whose purpose is cannon fodder, and you shouldn't mix them with volunteers.

[Hakluyt]

Victim identified
http://www.cbc.ca/toronto/story/tor-creba-shooting20051228.html

[raven]

Why did those filthy niggers kill a beautiful young girl like that? Fucking monsters. And what's sad is that our justice system is going to serve those baboons moreso than this innocent being who had a whole life ahead of her taken away. Fuck if I was that girl's father/brother all you would see in the news next day was "Serial Killer Tortured and Decapitated Black Gang Members Alive In Canada's largest hate crime" :rolleyes:

[raven]

Alright I just informed my mother of the victim and showed a picture of the girl to her. She was devastated and was commenting how they'd have to be monsters in order to kill such a beautiful, sweet girl. Then I said something like, "when is the liberal government (my family used to be liberal voters until 2000... they didnt vote in the last election) going to realize the obvious? It's the immigrants." And then my mother butt in and said, "but I'm an immigrant." Then I said, "that's different, the portuguese and italian immigrants were not savages. I'm second-generation myself and I don't do things like that. It's the Jamaican [first/second generation] immigrants."

Then she said, "Please don't say this to anyone else, because you don't want people to get into fights with you." See even my western european-born mother who grew up in a fascist country is playing the political correctness game. The Canadian Multicultural policy has done a good job of brainwashing people. :rolleyes: However deep down I think my mother knows exactly what I am talking about. She's not stupid. She's just dodging the issue. Had she been a younger and Canadian-born mother (not all are like that but most are) she probably would have washed my mouth out with soap.

So for all the rabid multicultis who claim that 'racists' are raised to be 'racist'... they are wrong. There are plenty of us who have developed the beliefs that we do by actually observing it first-hand and coming to our own conclusions.

[Count Eustace II]

The entire West is an absolute disaster, a Third World West in the making, when so much energy, time, money, policy, laws, blood, sweat, and tears is wasted in the monumental and herculean task of conditioning White people to accept these black savage animals as equals.

What a mammoth drain on White creativity and spirit it surely is.

[Felix the Cat]

Black lawyer to file lawsuit against police today (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060104/racial_profiling_060104/20060104/)

A Toronto lawyer who says his car was surrounded by police who accused him of having drugs and guns will file a lawsuit Wednesday for the surprise shakedown.

Jason Bogle, one of Toronto's youngest black lawyers at 26, says he was sitting in the parked Lexus with his girlfriend outside her house on his birthday, Dec. 29, when five or six police cars surrounded them.

Bogle said he decided to file the lawsuit after the officers allegedly connected the ambush with the Boxing Day shootings on Yonge Street.

Bogle told CTV's Canada AM he is one of many of Toronto's young black males who have received this type of treatment -- what he calls "driving while black."

"I think a lot of people seem to think that racial profiling… doesn't really happen, but here's a clear case where I was in a vehicle that was parked and I was minding my business and for some reason these officers decided to take it upon themselves… to investigate myself and my occupant," Bogle said Wednesday.

Bogle said the cars were all unmarked except one and appeared suddenly, flashing their high beams before surrounding the Lexus. He said the officers got out and lined both sides of the vehicle, while one opened Bogle's door, grabbed his shoulder and demanded identification.

"Because they had flashed in such an erratic manner, I was unable to discern whether they were officers," he said. "I was very upset because I didn't understand what was going on."

"Then accusations came out about me being in possession of guns or drugs and I remember an officer making the same reference to my girlfriend's mother. She had just come outside to see her daughter and myself surrounded by all these officers," he said, saying the confrontation drew the attention of many neighbours as well.

After presenting his Ontario bar card, Bogle said he continued to face difficulty convincing police he was a lawyer, not a drug dealer. It ended, he said, with police admitting they had the wrong person, but he did not receive an apology nor an explanation.

"These were people that are trained to serve and protect the community," said Bogle, adding the police tried to convince him to "let bygones be bygones" after the incident.

"It's kind of funny because when I described my story to other persons, there was a number of other people that experienced the same thing," he said.

Bogle said he wants to use his position as a lawyer to change what he believes is a systemic problem of racial profiling.

Toronto Police Spokesman Mark Pugash insists the officers were professional throughout the process. He said the officers also claim they went to extraordinary lengths to explain to Bogle why he was stopped.

Bogle will be filing the lawsuit against the Toronto Police Service in court Wednesday. The Canadian Press has reported Bogle plans to sue the force for $1.5 million for wrongful detention and inflicting emotional distress.

[Vindex]

As for the niggers just acting like niggers, nothing will change until the 1to5% of the ruling class are replaced, then sweeping up the nigs and all the other problems will be no problem.

Ironic a group of 15 niggers blasting away at each other at point blank range, can't hit each other, sadly the one hit was a innocent 15 year. But on the other hand if her or her parents where hardcore liberal nigger lovers, I do find that very amusing.

[Cyber Hostility]

Ironic a group of 15 niggers blasting away at each other at point blank range, can't hit each other...

Yeah, that's what happens when one squints their eyes, holds the gun sideways and fires it....and does so while running their mouths.