Do you believe the laws are obsolete?

[Oblisk]

Some verses I found while reading up on Laws.

- You would kill anybody who violated the Sabbath for any reason. (Exodus 31:14-16, Exodus 35:2-3)

- You would have your disobedient children stoned. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

- You would kill adulterers, both men and women. (Leviticus 20:10)

- You would have any woman who did not cry out loudly enough while being raped either killed or sold to her rapist. (Deuteronomy 22:13-29)

- The value of women would be set as 3/5 that of men. (Leviticus 27:2-7)

- You would poison your wife if you suspected her of infidelity. (Numbers 5:11-28)

- You would kill anybody who belonged to a different faith than you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-16)

- You would require women to stay in special places during their menstrual period or after giving birth. (Leviticus 12, Leviticus 15:19-33,

- You would not allow banks or financial institutions to charge interest. (Leviticus 25:36-27; Deuteronomy 23:19)

- You would not own a dog or a cat (Leviticus 11:27)

And the fact of the matter is that while many conservative evangelicals point their fingers at others and say, "Shame, shame: look at that unrepentant sinner", you yourselves are doing the very same things as you accuse others of doing:

Romans 2:1-5

1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who do such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.



Some are from the Old Testament, but others are also from the New Testament.

[Cyprian]

According to traditional Christian theology, the particular proscriptions of the Old Testament are not binding, being an earlier and less perfect expression of the eternal law as compared with the Gospel. It should therefore not be taken with a word-for-word strictness as binding law for the present. However, being an expression of the eternal law, it has a share of the same Spirit, and is useful to Christians when seen from the perspective of the Gospel. As St. Paul wrote, "The letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life." The same approach is not applicable in the same way to the commands of the New Testament, as they reflect the eternal law completely and perfectly. Therefore every command of the New Testament is to be carried out, in all places and times. However, these commands should not be slavishly interpreted, as "laws" in the human sense, and enforced with pedantic legalism. Rather, they serve as guides to a fundamentally spiritual way of life, completely founded on the Gospel, but not in the sense of trying to turn the Gospel into a legal code.

[Cyprian]

- You would not own a dog or a cat (Leviticus 11:27)I know I'm nitpicking, but you've made a mistake here. The category of animals included in this verse, which includes dogs and cats, is called "unclean", but that only means you can't eat them, not that you can't own them. It also states that you can't touch their carcass, but again nothing about ownership.
As a somewhat irrelevant aside, cats are actually the only animals that are allowed in Orthodox churches. In the past they were kept around to keep the church free of mice.

[Keystone]

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Leviticus 20:13

It seems the Church heeds one part of this law, but omits the other.

[Cyprian]

It seems the Church heeds one part of this law, but omits the other.Again, that's a matter of keeping the Spirit, without always keeping the letter. This is actually a good example of the Church's approach. The Spirit of the law is that deviant sexual activities are a grave sin, the letter that such sinners should be put to death. The Church keeps the Spirit of this law (and the New Testament statements to the same effect) while drawing away from the authoritarian theocracy proclaimed by its letter.

[CONAN THE BARBARIAN]

No, I do not believe the laws are done away with, only the ordinances.

We still must obey and implement the Statutes, Judgments and Commandments of the Lord if we wish to rid certain aspects of evil in this world.

The reason we find ourselves and country in turmoil can always be traced to the breaking of one or more of Gods Holy Laws.

Jesus himself said he did not take away from any of the laws.

I am guessing when you say "Church", you are reffering to Roman Catholocism. I am Christian Identity and Dual Seedline, we veiw the Roman Catholic Church as Blasphemous because of the position it views/holds the Pope in and it's Man-made laws.

BTW, that last one about dogs & cats was off, you are not supposed to handle dead animals like that (For obvious Reasons).

P.S. Be carefull when quoting Bible verses, make sure you know who the characters are addressing and what they are refferring to.