Why Toronto is Screwed

[raven]

Ok I know that Starr requested some information on our demographics so I'll just post it here.
Wikipedia]
White* 1,405,680, 57.2%
Chinese 259,710, 10.6%
South Asian 253,920, 10.3%
Black 204,075, 8.3%
Filipino 86,460, 3.5%
Hispanic 54,350, 2.2%
West Asian 37,205, 1.5%
Southeast Asian 33,870, 1.4%
Korean 29,755, 1.2%
Arab 22,355, 0.9%
Japanese 11,595, 0.5%
Other minorities 37,985, 1.5%
Total 2,456,805, 100%

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto

* For those that believe Jews are a seperate race, there are about 175,000 (~7% pop.) jews included in the white category

My Comment: :(

[Atlas]

As we're talking about Canada, here is Montreal :

White: 2,886,400 or 86.8%
Blacks: 129,705 or 3.9%
Arab: 67,830 or 2.0%
Asian: 56,655 or 1.7%
Chinese: 50,115 or 1.5%
mixed race: 46,900 or 1.4%,

I thought there were more muds there after a visit, I'm surprised.

And Vancouver :


European: 1,200,010 or 63.5%
Chinese: 332,560 or 17.6%
Other Asian: 161,145 or 8.5%
Filipino: 54,280 or 2.8%
mixed ethnicity: 44,680 or 2.3%

[Lenny]

White* 1,405,680, 57.2%They lump all whites together yet they differentiate between Japanese Chinese Korean & Filipino and have different categories for each of those? :rolleyes:

Myself I'd like to know what percentage of the population is white-Protestant or white-Protestant descent. What ever the percent is they are certainly a minority there http://www.thephora.net/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif
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[raven]

"Roman Catholicism is the largest faith in the city, accounting for 31.4% in 2001, followed by the Anglican Church (21.1%) and other Christian denominations (8.8%), but the city has significant Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, and other communities; 18.8% had no religious affiliation."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto#Demographics

I don't know... I think it's pretty close since I would assume those "other Christian denominations" are Protestant. However as for White-Protestants vs. White-Catholics I couldn't tell you.

Btw... "In March 2005, Statistics Canada projected that the visible minority proportion will comprise a majority in both Toronto and Vancouver by 2012."

Statscan really gets a hard-on for this shit don't they?

[daisy]

race demographics is bs. there is so little truth to them
because they don't show white albinos or muded albinos.
many of those
jew looking, asian looking, chinese looking, filipino looking, korean looking, vietnamese looking, japanese looking, mexican looking, jamaican looking, arab looking, black looking,
are muded albinos.
notice how they don't even list white albinos at all.
erasing the albino race. them evil ones.

demographic realities lol demographics are lacking everything

[Sinclair]

So? Toronto is, by and large, a clean and remarkably safe city. The "gun crime wave" this year is largely hype.

The only demographic group in the city that has a real crime problem is Jamaicans, and that can be led back to the fact that Jamaica has major social problems, which tend to get imported. Of course, the crimes committed are folded into the larger group of "blacks", which results in incorrect conclusions.

I have lived in Toronto all my life, and I think it's a great city.

[Hakluyt]

They lump all whites together yet they differentiate between Japanese Chinese Korean & Filipino and have different categories for each of those?
They don't actually, this is just someone on Wikipedia lumping them together for readers interested in American-style demographics. Have a look at the StatCan website, the census is done on the basis of ethnic self-identification (English, Scottish, Irish, so on)

[Hakluyt]

I agree with Sinclair though, Toronto is a great city, and were it to keep roughly the demographics it has now in stasis I would continue to think that. Large-scale immigration is an awful thing of course, but I don't think there's anything wrong with cosmopolitanism in the metropolis, so long as the rest of the country is relatively homogeneous

[Lenny]

They don't actually, this is just someone on Wikipedia lumping them together for readers interested in American-style demographics. Have a look at the StatCan website, the census is done on the basis of ethnic self-identification (English, Scottish, Irish, so on)They use that exact classification system here: http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo52a.htm?sdi=population

[Hakluyt]

That is a table specifically about visible minorities, nowhere does it say "white"

Here's what I'm talking about http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo26a.htm

[Lenny]

That is a table specifically about visible minorities, nowhere does it say "white"Yeah whoever wrote that on the wikipedia site subtracted the minority population from the total population to get the white total. The Canadian government itself is too PC to do that, I guess :cool:

Here's what I'm talking about http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo26a.htmthe US Census does this too: http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-qr_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U_QTP13&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U&-_lang=en&-_sse=on. It's much more practical to count whites as one group when comparing them to East Asians, South Asians, Blacks, "Latinos", American Indians, and all the rest though, instead of dividing the white population somewhat arbitrarily into two dozen or more small nationalities

[Crowley]

... but I don't think there's anything wrong with cosmopolitanism in the metropolis, so long as the rest of the country is relatively homogeneous


This is a good way of mixing your genetically superior Whites out of existence.

[daisy]

Here's what I'm talking about
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo26a.htm
yes that one is a little better
total american population in canada 224,805

This is a good way of mixing your genetically superior Whites out of existence
so far knock on wood
genetically superior albinos have been too genetically superior to erase out of existence
so far we haven't met our match
it is hard to erase u.s. out of existences when we can only reproduce ourselves

[raven]

So? Toronto is, by and large, a clean and remarkably safe city. The "gun crime wave" this year is largely hype.

The only demographic group in the city that has a real crime problem is Jamaicans, and that can be led back to the fact that Jamaica has major social problems, which tend to get imported. Of course, the crimes committed are folded into the larger group of "blacks", which results in incorrect conclusions.

I have lived in Toronto all my life, and I think it's a great city.
Of course Toronto is a safe city in an internatonal standard. I go there time to time and I haven't been assaulted or anything. I was born and raised there for a time as well and was fine. However that could change if afro-carribbean immigration in particular continues to be problematic. Fire-arm homicides have went up considerably in the past year. That can't be ignored. Over fifty percent of the crime in Toronto is generated by blacks... mostly Jamaicans I would assume. So yes you are right, there is only one particular problem, the jamaican community. Even then though one can't discount the tamil, viet and other ethnic gangs though... however it is obvious that these gangs pale in comparison to the jamaican black gangs.

The central issue that Canada has to address is cutting back on afro-carribbean immigration... if not at least immigration from Jamaica because this ethnic group has created a reputation of itself as a problem and it can't be swept under the rug. More basketball nets and "social services" programs are not going to help these "marginalized" youths of (usually) jamaican ethnic origin.

Not to mention that quite frankly I do not think it is a positive thing for "visible minorities" to continue to grow in such magnitude. In my neighbourhood the majority of people are foreigners (53% rate) and "visible minorities" (around the same percentage too). In my educational institution its pretty much the same thing. It is a problem when a Canadian city has "minorities" in the majority.

[Lenny]

Fire-arm homicides have went up considerably in the past yearDo you know how many homicides there were in Toronto in 2005?

[raven]

Do you know how many homicides there were in Toronto in 2005?
I know you are an American but don't laugh at this figure. :D Fifty-two annual fire-arm related homicides is actually considered a concern here. :D The year before it was something like around 30. As for homicides in total, I can't remember if it was 78 or something like that. Toronto like I said is safe in an international sense however it can't be ignored that the rate has risen significantly and that jamaican black first/second generation immigrants are responsible.

[Hakluyt]

This is a good way of mixing your genetically superior Whites out of existence.
Yeah right we're primarily talking about Asians here

They'll be fine anyway, multiculturalism allows for a level of endogamy you won't find anywhere else in the Western world

[Crowley]

It will help dumb down the White race. Not a good thing to destroy the quality of your own people.

[Lenny]

I know you are an American but don't laugh at this figure. :D Fifty-two annual fire-arm related homicides is actually considered a concern here. :D The year before it was something like around 30. As for homicides in total, I can't remember if it was 78 or something like that.So you had 78 homicides in 2005 and a population of 5 million people, 78 homicides / 5,000,000 population x 100,000 = 1.56 homicides per 100,000 population. If Toronto were an American city, it would have the lowest murder rate of any large city!

The Washington DC area also has a population of about 5 million, but had 466 homicides in 2005. 466 homicides / 5 million population x 100,000 = 9.32 homicides per 100,000 population. So the Washington metropolitan area had a murder rate 6 times higher than Toronto, and that's after the murder rate in the DC area has been on the decline and Toronto's has been on the rise! A few years ago the DC area homicide rate would've been 10 times higher, or more

The district of columbia itself has 550,000 people and had 194 homicides in 2005. 194 / 550,000 x 100,000 = 35.3 homicides per 100,000, or 23 times higher than Toronto

There was a time in the 90s when the District itself had a homicide rate of around 90 per 100,000 :eek: Those were the Marion Barry days, when Washington DC was the "homicide capital of the USA"

[raven]

So you had 78 homicides in 2005 and a population of 5 million people, 78 homicides / 5,000,000 population x 100,000 = 1.56 homicides per 100,000 population. If Toronto were an American city, it would have the lowest murder rate of any large city!

The Washington DC area also has a population of about 5 million, but had 466 homicides in 2005. 466 homicides / 5 million population x 100,000 = 9.32 homicides per 100,000 population. So the Washington metropolitan area had a murder rate 6 times higher than Toronto, and that's after the murder rate in the DC area has been on the decline and Toronto's has been on the rise! A few years ago the DC area homicide rate would've been 10 times higher, or more

The district of columbia itself has 550,000 people and had 194 homicides in 2005. 194 / 550,000 x 100,000 = 35.3 homicides per 100,000, or 23 times higher than Toronto

There was a time in the 90s when the District itself had a homicide rate of around 90 per 100,000 :eek: Those were the Marion Barry days, when Washington DC was the "homicide capital of the USA"
No, no. 78 homicides (52 fire-arm related) in the city of Toronto. Not the Greater Toronto Area. The City of Toronto has about 2.5m people. Its the GTA that has 5+m. Also it makes no sense to compare Washington to Toronto as Washington is pretty much a haven full of blacks.

[Lenny]

No, no. 78 homicides (52 fire-arm related) in the city of Toronto. Not the Greater Toronto Area. The City of Toronto has about 2.5m people. Its the GTA that has 5+ min.Well then just multiply by two for the Toronto rate, the district of columbia rate is still many times higher

Do you know how many there were from the entire area?

[daisy]

I know you are an American but don't laugh at this figure
usa might drop lower now because the south african blacks like to fight with guns.
but the north african arab blacks like to fight with knifes.
those mexicans got alot of guns but the cops have been taking them away from them
if the cops could get the guns away from the south african blacks usa would be better

[Lenny]

A Toronto murder rate of 3.12 per 100,000 would still be the lowest in the US by the way

[raven]

A Toronto murder rate of 3.12 per 100,000 would still be the lowest in the US by the way
lowest among big cities right? And what would constitute a "big city" in definition in US standards?

[Lenny]

lowest among big cities right?Yeah

And what would constitute a "big city" in definition in US standards?500,000+

[Starr]

Myself I'd like to know what percentage of the population is white-Protestant or white-Protestant descent.

You can look at those stats and this is your concern?

[raven]

Oh and just in case anyone is interested I gathered some province-wide statistics on "visible minorities." Note that in the Statscan 2001 census they did not include First Nations (Indians for Americans like Lenny :D) so the real figure is more like 16% nationwide as of 2001. This is why Nunavat is ranked so low on that list even though they are like 80+% Inuit. :D In the 2006 Census the results will be higher.

Interestingly enough B.C actually has a higher "visible minority" per capita population than Ontario. Then again they are pratically flooded with Chinese and South Asians. :D I wonder how Quebec is ranked behind Alberta and Manitoba though... I thought they had plenty of non-whites. I am surprised according to statistics that Montreal's "visible minority" population is only around the national average. I could have sworn they had plenty.

Rank Province/Territory Visible Minorities Total Population Visible Minority %
1 British Columbia 836440 3868870 21.61974944
2 Ontario 2,153,045 11,285,550 19.07789164
3 Alberta 329925 2941150 11.21755096
4 Manitoba 87110 1103695 7.892579019
5 Quebec 497975 7125580 6.988553914
6 North West Territories 1545 37105 4.163859318
7 Nova Scotia 34525 897570 3.846496652
8 Yukon 1025 28520 3.593969144
9 Saskotoon 27580 963150 2.863520739
10 New Brunswick 9425 719710 1.309555238
11 Prince Edward Island 1180 133385 0.884657195
12 Nunavut 210 26665 0.787549222
13 Newfoundland 3850 508075 0.757762141
TOTAL 3983835 29639025 13.44118101


You can look at those stats and this is your concern?
Exactly what I was thinking. Lenny seems to have an obsession of Roman Catholicism to the extent that certain VNNers and SFers have with jews. That Catholic boogeyman is out to get us. OMG! This whole Catholic/Protestantism rivalary is insignificant in the modern day especially when Christians are very secular now. My mother is what one would consider a more religious Catholic than average and even she doesn't attend church every week.

[Lenny]

That Catholic boogeyman is out to get us.I was just asking what percent of the population is white-Protestant, which is significant because Canada is a Protestant country

I dont see how you can interpret that as "the Catholic boogeyman is out to get us" :confused:

[raven]

I was just asking what percent of the population is white-Protestant, which is significant because Canada is a Protestant country

I dont see how you can interpret that as "the Catholic boogeyman is out to get us" :confused:
Canada would be majority Protestant (I think) if Quebec seperated. Quebec is french, therefore Roman Catholic. Gosh you take this sectarianism really far. :nono: No surprise since you'd rather a negro muslim/protestant than a Catholic as a next door neighbour. :D

[Atlas]

USA's plans to invade Canada. (http://invadecanada.us/)

[raven]

This is why I am very anti American Imperialism. :D But the US won't invade Canada... the UN will come to our aid. Right guys? Right? :o

:D

[Hakluyt]

Ontario is exactly half Catholic and half Protestant, but every other province beside New Brunswick is majority prod.

[raven]

Ontario is exactly half Catholic and half Protestant, but every other province beside New Brunswick is majority prod.
Ontario is split eh? Well I guess it works out that way when you take into account that Ontario has some french communities and then of course the Irish, Germans, Italians, etc. And then you have the non-white Catholics like the Filipinos. Where I live the whites tend to be pretty Catholic. Not many Anglos. What I find odd about here is that us non-anglo euros tend to be lumped together with non-whites in our neighbouthoods but then the anglos tend to be segregated away from us in the city. :D Lenny, if you call that a catholic conspiracy I don't know how else I can get through to you. If anything the wasps are trying to screw the non-Anglo Euros over by putting us with the "visible minorities". :D

[Atlas]

raven : about you're remarks on Montreal's minorities : I'm not surprised, that city is still VERY white, the few thousands of wogs there are mainly in downtown and in the metro, you just don't see them anymore if you go visit the suburbs or the "great" Montreal. However, they got many immigrants every year, almost as much as you guys in Ontario so I'm pessimistic for the future.

[Lenny]

USA's plans to invade Canada. (http://invadecanada.us/)This is a joke site, Kurzon Biggles posted a real article about US and Canadian plans to invade each other a few days ago though

[raven]

raven : about you're remarks on Montreal's minorities : I'm not surprised, that city is still VERY white, the few thousands of wogs there are mainly in downtown and in the metro, you just don't see them anymore if you go visit the suburbs or the "great" Montreal. However, they got many immigrants every year, almost as much as you guys in Ontario so I'm pessimistic for the future.
Well Quebec actually has low stats on "visible minorities" while Ontario is only bested by British Columbia. So I take it that in the city of Montreal the reason why it doesn't seem 86+% white is because they all tend to be clustered n the main areas while the rest is white? I know what you mean. It's always like that with the cities. The situation in my city is pretty similar however the "white" areas aren't vast. :D

We have pretty bad concentrations of "visible minorities" here. Like ok, I'm not evil, if a non-white goes and talks to me I still show my courtesy and everything. I engage in conversatoin and I have nothing against the vast majority of "visible minorities" in Canada as individuals. Some of my friends are non-white even. I just don't like the fact that they are so numerous here. I've never understood why having an opinion such as mine on this matter is automatically labelled "racist! racist!" in the modern society. It's pretty nuts that when going to University of Toronto in downtown or Ryerson, one feels like a foreigner in your own country.

As for Lenny, here's a reason as to why Catholicism is here to stay in Canada: "After the Norse, the first European visitors to Newfoundland were Portuguese, Spanish, French and English migratory fishermen." The Portuguese, Spanish and French are all CATHOLICS and they played a part in this county during colonialism. :p And then of course theres the Irish... I believe they played a role before 1867. Anywho when Quebec separates, Canada will be majority Protestant anyway.

[Golobulus]

Eighty percent of Canadians think multiculturalism is the greatest thing about the country, according to the latest canwest global polls.

[Starr]

No surprise since you'd rather a negro muslim/protestant than a Catholic as a next door neighbour

Is this true, Lenny? I have wanted to ask this question before and if I remember right I think you have said a few things that would lead me to believe so.

[raven]

Eighty percent of Canadians think multiculturalism is the greatest thing about the country, according to the latest canwest global polls.
:eek:
Link? What was the poll question?

[Felix the Cat]

And then of course theres the Irish... I believe they played a role before 1867. Anywho when Quebec separates, Canada will be majority Protestant anyway.
lol...

The Fenian Raid and Battle of Ridgeway June 1-3, 1866 (http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~dbertuca/g/FenianRaid.html)

[raven]

lol...

The Fenian Raid and Battle of Ridgeway June 1-3, 1866 (http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~dbertuca/g/FenianRaid.html)
Oh man. Those Irish. :D

[Lenny]

Is this true, Lenny? I have wanted to ask this question before and if I remember right I think you have said a few things that would lead me to believe so.I have never said that

[raven]

I've got some more stats showing Catholic dominance for Lenny. :D I also want to point out the almost 7% muslims we have in my city! :mad: They are over 3% in Ontario overall. A bit over 2% nationwide.

Mississauga, ON
Total - Religion 610,815
Catholic 257,440
Protestant 133,205
Muslim 41,845
Hindu 29,165
Sikh 23,425
Christian Orthodox 19,090
Christian, Other 17,990
Buddhist 11,600
Jewish 1,905
Eastern religions 1,690
Other religions 380
No religious affiliation 73,085

Islam is ranked 3rd in the list. :mad: But of course Lenny would be more concerned about those over quarter million papists. :rofl:

[Sinclair]

Catholics might actually outnumber Protestants in Canada today.

[raven]

Catholics might actually outnumber Protestants in Canada today.
They do. By quite a margin. 12,936,910 Catholics in 2001 vs. 8,654,850 Protestants. Whats interesting is that I actually remember (As a kid I was quite interested in looking at atlases and looking into information and census data about countries) Protestants being a majority (a few percent bigger I think) over the Catholics in the early 90s (I think it was 1991 census information? I think thats when they did the census in the early 90s right?) And this was a time when much Catholic immigration from Europe were at a halt (and they still are) except for maybe Poland and Croatia. I don't know why there has been a drastic change.

Btw I have some data on the actual city of Montreal. Not the entire metropolitan region. Now this seems more like it. They are less screwed than Toronto and Vancouver though. Much less. :D I would have assumed that the city of Montreal would still be more non-white, I guess maybe its just the horror stories I've heard from people in a certain neighbourhood in the city of Montreal.

Total population 1,019,735
Visible minority population 231,760 (22.73%)
Black 68,245
South Asian 33,310
Latin American 31,190
Arab 29,755
Chinese 23,270
Southeast Asian 21,820
Filipino 11,685
West Asian 4,280
Korean 1,345
Japanese 1,195
Visible minority, Other 2,670
Multiple visible minorities 3,005

Btw if you thought those stats for Vancouver before were bad? It gets worse. That visible minority count was of metropolitan Vancouver. In reality the city of Vancouver is 49% "visible minorities". So Vancouver is in even deeper shit than Toronto. :D Hangcouver is 30% chink alone. :) It's crazy, the "minorities" are taking over one city at a time. :D Weird thing is the Canadian government gets off on this shit.

[Lenny]

the almost 7% muslims we have in my city! :mad: They are over 3% in Ontario overall. A bit over 2% nationwide.In my opinion it is more alarming that 42% are Catholics in that city

Catholics might actually outnumber Protestants in Canada today.They do. By quite a margin.This is not correct.

[raven]

In my opinion it is more alarming that 42% are Catholics in that city
So you'd rather have your future daughter be raped "leb style" than have 42% Catholics in your region? :rolleyes: Is Lenny for real? :D Dude there is no Catholic conspiracy! I absolutely dislike the Church in its current state, I'm an agnostic and a very large portion of baptized/confirmed Catholics are aethistic or don't really believe in it. The Catholics have been assimilating for generations and you don't see any problems developing. However it is quite clear that muslim youth have been failing to do so. I don't understand why a certain minority of WASPs still insist on holding onto this insecure paranoia of Catholics and non-Anglos (though this doesnt apply in Lenny's case I don't think).

The groups have been able to co-exist for quite some time now and theres no tension except for Northern Ireland (which is ridiculous). We have co-existed... and we shall continue to co-exist to try to battle what matters more: the anti-European virus known as multiculturalism. The Northern Irish should be more concerned about the asians/arabs (specifically pakistanis and other muslims) going in there instead of holding on to their sectarianism and killing eachother while foreign invaders take their country right under their nose. But ah well.. this just goes to show that White Nationalism is also a flawed concept because certain Europeans in the end won't ever seem to co-operate. This individualism is going to be the death of Europe and Europeans in North America.


This is not correct.
Yes it is. By more than 4mil Catholics outnumber Protestants in Canada.

[Lenny]

The Catholics have been assimilating for generations and you don't see any problems developing. However it is quite clear that muslim youth have been failing to do so.raven, I don't want a Catholic country any more than I want a muslim country, so 42% Catholics is more alarming than 2% muslims. "Assimilation" is only relevant to crime and other social issues, if anything it is a bad thing in this case because it means the permanent entrenchment of the Catholics as a major population in that society. Some Catholics are ok, but 42% is way too many and a serious threat

By more than 4mil Catholics outnumber Protestants in Canada.This is wrong, I addressed this in another thread once. Considering that Protestants have always outnumbered Catholics in Canada (even as late as the 1991 Canada Census there were more Protestants, as even you said), it is logically impossible that there have suddenly become so many more Catholics in so short a time and during a time which has not seen massive population changes

[raven]

raven, I don't want a Catholic country any more than I want a muslim country, so 42% Catholics is more alarming than 2% muslims. "Assimilation" is only relevant to crime and other social issues, if anything it is a bad thing in this case because it means the permanent entrenchment of the Catholics as a major population in that society. Some Catholics are ok, but 42% is way too many and a serious threat
Catholics (especially when most are secular) are a threat? :rofl: See this is why I don't believe in white nationalism. Many WASPs are so insecure and stuck in the past in that movement. There are still some protestant nutters out there who think that the Catholics (many of them aethistic or agnostic like I am) are out to get them


This is wrong, I addressed this in another thread once. Considering that Protestants have always outnumbered Catholics in Canada (even as late as the 1991 Canada Census there were more Protestants, as even you said), it is logically impossible that there have suddenly become so many more Catholics in so short a time and during a time which has not seen massive population changes
How is that wrong? I got those statistics from Statistics Canada's website. It is not wrong. These are official government statistics.

[VAJO JR.]

So? Toronto is, by and large, a clean and remarkably safe city. The "gun crime wave" this year is largely hype.

The only demographic group in the city that has a real crime problem is Jamaicans, and that can be led back to the fact that Jamaica has major social problems, which tend to get imported. Of course, the crimes committed are folded into the larger group of "blacks", which results in incorrect conclusions.

I have lived in Toronto all my life, and I think it's a great city.




I myself can't imagine why Jamaicans who live so far to the south, would want to live in such a cold climate in the winter. Being you live in Toronto, I figured you could answer that question for me please, thank you.:D

[raven]

I myself can't imagine why Jamaicans who live so far to the south, would want to live in such a cold climate in the winter. Being you live in Toronto, I figured you could answer that question for me please, thank you.:D
I have no idea why they want to live in the cold. I am thinking they made the jump so that they could have more freedoms: The freedom to have children from many different fathers and have the taxpayer foot the bill. However unfortunately these people don't appreciate the hospitality that the Canadians give to them.

[Sandee]

I have no idea why they want to live in the cold. I am thinking they made the jump so that they could have more freedoms: The freedom to have children from many different fathers and have the taxpayer foot the bill. However unfortunately these people don't appreciate the hospitality that the Canadians give to them.

No, they came over just to molest raven. ;)

Seriously, it's obvious that they enjoy more freedoms and have a better standard of living here (inspite of the cold) than in Jamaica.