Gay couples given right to adopt

[Ambrosio Spinola]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=372831&in_page_id=1770

Unmarried and same-sex couples are legally allowed to adopt together under a historic new law now in force.
In one of the most significant changes in modern adoption history, both adults can become a child's adoptive parents.

Previously, only married couples or single people could apply.

The Adoption and Children Act becomes law three years after it was passed by Parliament.

The BAAF - British Association for Adoption and Fostering - has hailed the act as "the most radical overhaul of adoption law for 30 years".

Chief executive Felicity Collier said: "These changes will have a major impact on thousands of families. We know there were people eagerly awaiting December 30 because they are an unmarried couple who would like to adopt jointly."

"Opening up adoption to unmarried partners will encourage more people to consider adoption.

"This is very important at a time when too many children wait too long in temporary care waiting for an adoptive family or, in some cases, never have the chance of adoption at all."

The new act also introduces special guardianship orders which give foster carers, relatives and others caring for a child, the opportunity to apply for a special guardianship order which is expected to last until the child is 18. This will mean the child is no longer the responsibility of the local authority.

Other changes include giving birth mothers and other birth relatives the legal right to ask for an intermediary service to trace an adoptive adult and find out if contact would be welcome.

[Berianidze]

There's something odd about allowing children to be adopted and cared for by groups of people who define themselves by their sexual preference and sexual activity (homosexuals). This seems hardly in the best interest of the children or society in general, I can't imagine too many things being more traumatizing than seeing daddy and daddy make out on the couch while you're trying to finger paint. :confused:

[Geist]

There's something odd about allowing children to be adopted and cared for by groups of people who define themselves by their sexual preference and sexual activity (homosexuals). This seems hardly in the best interest of the children or society in general, I can't imagine too many things being more traumatizing than seeing daddy and daddy make out on the couch while you're trying to finger paint. :confused:

They dont define themselves, they have been defined as homosexuals.

I have no problem with this, if they hold the same values as anyone else with only their sex preference seperating them from others than thats no problem in my eyes.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I do not have a problem if they keep their degeneracy indoors and do not dare to make any sort of apology of their vices. The very concept that some inocent children eyes have to endure rice´s graphic example is enough for me to ban such an idea from the get go. Its bad enough to be an orphan.

[raven]

I have spoken with a bisexual about this and she feels that any worry about such unions doesn't make sense because children of homosexual parents do not magically become gay if they are raised by homosexual parents. They are either born as such or not. However even then wouldn't having "gay" parents be very stigmatic on a child's life experience? You know with the teasing at school, "you have two papas/mamas" and what not? Of course lots of children get teased at school but if the rumour is out that you have gay parents the kids are going to be real brutal on the kid. I don't think it's fair on the kid to "pay" for a thing... it's not their fault at all.

[Felix the Cat]

Homosexuals are pederasts, pure and simple

If they deny it they're lying

Society should not encourage any policy that makes it easier for gay men to get access to young boys

[Sinclair]

Bollocks. Is there ANY evidence that being brought up by two men or two women causes a child harm BECAUSE of that (Not because of social stigma against homosexuality, for instance).

And what sort of parents make out on the couch in front of their kid anyway? If a straight couple does that, it's a bit inappropriate.

[daisy]

oh God i already got a hangover from 4 alcohol drinks on new years
reading this makes me feel like i am going to throw up. those poor children.
someone save the children!

[Ixtab]

There's something odd about allowing children to be adopted and cared for by groups of people who define themselves by their sexual preference and sexual activity (homosexuals). This seems hardly in the best interest of the children or society in general, I can't imagine too many things being more traumatizing than seeing daddy and daddy make out on the couch while you're trying to finger paint. :confused:No one should 'make out' in front of their children, homosexuals or heterosexuals.

[infoterror]

someone save the children!

They're already saved. They'll have a nice home and all the semen they can drink.

[Banat]

There's something odd about allowing children to be adopted and cared for by groups of people who define themselves by their sexual preference and sexual activity (homosexuals).

Exactly. Not only they engage in perverse sexual activities, but also point them out as their main characteristic.

I do not have a problem if they keep their degeneracy indoors and do not dare to make any sort of apology of their vices.

I agree. The only positive thing that might come out of this is that, hopefully, these "families" might bring up the most extreme anti-homosexuals.

[Geist]

Homosexuals are pederasts, pure and simple

If they deny it they're lying

Society should not encourage any policy that makes it easier for gay men to get access to young boys

Major bullshit, exceptional bullshit even.

[Geist]

LOL, this is the kind of thing that makes us all look so foolish on the race issue, completely unfounded, random fantasies about evil homosexuals.

None of you have any proof, you are merely assuming all this, now when you see blacks in reality looting or stealing or even crime statistics then its fair enough, but none of you have any statistics nor is there any to find about gays being peadophiles, and none of you have ever seen any of this for yourselves so its all straight out of your asses.

Get a grip lads.

[infoterror]

Well, to me --

Issues like homosexuality, drugs, abortion, etc distract from the meta-issue, which is what kind of government we need.

Ancient societies tolerated non-perverted homosexuals, but I reserve the right to make fun of them as I do most things.

Also, as a gay nigger, I believe homosexuals should have the right to vote with multicolored semen, and it's the only exception I make to my blanket condemnation of democracy.

Besides, we cannot condemn homosexuality -- we need the support of English men as much as any others.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Just the idea of a fag couple bathing their newly arrived orphan child makes me shudder. How would the child grow up in such a violent enviroment?

[Fade the Butcher]

Where is Xenodamus?

[Geist]

Just the idea of a fag couple bathing their newly arrived orphan child makes me shudder. How would the child grow up in such a violent enviroment?

Whats violent about it? Adults, people in general bar the small minority of people you are worried about, that is peadophiles can bathe a child and that is all.

What do you think will happen? As gays they will get turned on? Whats violent about it?

Most peados I see on the news tend to be lonely single dudes, weirds who are not in healthy relationships, if two guys are in a relationship where they are willing to take on a child together do you honestly believe they are not healthy, non perverted people?

[Felix the Cat]

Major bullshit, exceptional bullshit even.
Yes. Homosexuals prefer to bugger grown men and have no preference for pubescent boys...

There was a fag pub near my high school Geist, I well know what these people are like

[daisy]

completely unfounded, random fantasies about evil homosexuals
none of you have any proof, you are merely assuming all this,
and none of you have ever seen any of this for yourselves so its all straight out of your asses falsei have seen plenty of it. enough to last me a lifetime.
it's not a fantasy. it is sickening.

[Sinclair]

One might as well object to a father bathing his daughter, or a mother bathing her son. It's about as logical...

I mean, a preference for men does not necessarily = apreference for boys, any more than a preference for women is the same as a preference for girls.

[Felix the Cat]

A poor analogy Sinclair, due to a matter of physiology - when a boy reaches his late teens he turns into a big hairy gruff-voiced creature who is far less attractive to a queer than a similarly-aged woman is to a heterosexual

Therefore homosexuals are obsessed with children and adolescents to a degree which is - by heterosexual standards - disproportionate and excessive

I agree with Ebus - if queers want to bugger each other in private, I don't really care. There are frankly more important things to worry about

But these incessant attempts by homosexuals to gain access to young boys (of which this adoption business is just one of many examples) need to be strongly opposed

All professions and social positions that involve close interactions between adult men and boys need to be barred by law to homosexuals - such jobs attract queers like bees to honey

[Blighter]

LOL, this is the kind of thing that makes us all look so foolish on the race issue, completely unfounded, random fantasies about evil homosexuals.

None of you have any proof, you are merely assuming all this, now when you see blacks in reality looting or stealing or even crime statistics then its fair enough, but none of you have any statistics nor is there any to find about gays being peadophiles, and none of you have ever seen any of this for yourselves so its all straight out of your asses.

Get a grip lads.

"...studies in a 1985 Psychological Reports article, found that homosexuals account for between 25% and 40% of all child molestation.

"...However, it should be noted that homosexuals account for only 2% of the population which statistically means that a child molester is ten to twenty times more likely to be homosexual than heterosexual. In other words, heterosexual molestations proportionally are a fraction compared to homosexual molestations. More recent studies confirm this statistic. In 2000, the Archives of Sexual Behavior published an article by seven sex researchers concluding that ‘‘around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys. Thus the rate of homosexual attraction is 6-20 times higher among pedophiles."

http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/lawreview/articles/14_2baldwin.PDF (Page 12)

Personally, I don't think queers should be allowed children, whether they are likely to molest them or not.

[Starr]

As if a lot of these kids don't have enough issues as it is.

Is there ANY evidence that being brought up by two men or two women causes a child harm BECAUSE of that (Not because of social stigma against homosexuality, for instance).

The social stigma and dealing with the consequences of it, as Raven went into, alone are a good enough reason to ban them from adopting. Also Because of the social stigma you mention contrasted with what they have been taught, and made to see as normal, firsthand, they are probably also going to have a bit of an easier time accepting and even identifying with all kinds of sickos and their perversions. This is a much more likely scenerio, IMO, then the idea that they will be gay because their parents are. I would agree that is dumb, though so many people love to latch on to that when they list reasons for why homos should not be adopting.

[daisy]

i agree with Ebus - if queers want to bugger each other in private, i don't really care. there are frankly more important things to worry about
true but there is alot more to it than that.
just one example: i was installing cable tv in florida.
there were alot of all gay apartment buildings.
i went in them for a few minutes to drill the cable hole. then i went outside and threw up.
after that i started hanging door hangers (=no one home) on all the gay apartment work orders i got.
i could not stand the nasty, stinking, gay, smell of them.

[DeathtoPrejudice]

I do not have a problem if they keep their degeneracy indoors and do not dare to make any sort of apology of their vices. The very concept that some inocent children eyes have to endure rice´s graphic example is enough for me to ban such an idea from the get go. Its bad enough to be an orphan.

Pretty high and mighty, and more importantly hateful dialogue directed towards those who suffer the burden of homosexuality... It's not their fault, they simply suffered from... whatever causes homosexuality. It's worse when people demonize them for something as trivial as 'do you like dick, or pussy?'

It really isn't right, or logical to judge someone based on where they like to put it...

[Atlas]

Homosexuality is natures way of making sure people with serious genetic defects do not breed and create more people with the same problems, it's evolution. However, our sick modern day society praises homosexuality as sexuality in general in our society has been degenerated from something natural and healty to decadence. So homosexuality is promoted and seen as "trendy". It's just another example of the destruction of nature and it's replacement with overall decay to weaken us. Fags want gay marriage to be legalized so they can get tax cuts which the rest of the nation will have to pick up the slack for.

[jcs]

Pretty high and mighty, and more importantly hateful dialogue directed towards those who suffer the burden of homosexuality... It's not their fault, they simply suffered from... whatever causes homosexuality. It's worse when people demonize them for something as trivial as 'do you like dick, or pussy?'

It really isn't right, or logical to judge someone based on where they like to put it...
Homosexuality is not, in most circumstances, merely a matter of wanting to have sex with people of one's own gender. Gays are notoriously neurotic.

[Starr]

[QUOTE=DeathtoPrejudice]Pretty high and mighty,


what is "high and mighty" about suggesting they keep it in the closet? I think for them to yell about how proud they are and try to force society to accept them and what they do is actually a pretty high and mighty attitude for them to be displaying.

and more importantly hateful dialogue directed towards those who suffer the burden of homosexuality... It's not their fault, they simply suffered from... whatever causes homosexuality.

You are probably right. But the same thing could probably be said about many killers and pedophiles. Does that mean we have to accept them too?

Death to prejudice. LOL. whose joke account is this?:nono: :D

[Fade the Butcher]

It really isn't right, or logical to judge someone based on where they like to put it...Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all prescribe norms of proper sexual conduct for their adherents. Welcome to The Phora.

[raven]

You are probably right. But the same thing could probably be said about many killers and pedophiles. Does that mean we have to accept them too?

Death to prejudice. LOL. whose joke account is this?:nono: :D
Yeah I figured it was a joke account as well. :D

As for gays I actually do not mind them. They don't bother me, I see no reason to dislike them personally. I don't see their behaviour as dangerous as killers and pedophiles and theres no way for homosexuals to reverse how they are. They also allow for more female options for us heterosexual men. Now when it comes to lesbians, I usually don't care because I have yet to see a lesbian that I would find attractive.

[Billy Score]

I agree with the woman, unfortunately. Selfish individualism fills every sector of society at this point, so this doesn't surprise me. I do not think that they will turn gay because their parents are. But they will accept homosexuality as perfectly normal and acceptable. This is not good for children.

Also: every child walks in on his parents once or twice. This is bad enough, but to have your child walk in on a man putting his schrom in another man's bottom. Come on. Sodomy is unhealthy, I don't think anyone is disputing this. You are, by encouraging homosexuality on this level, basically encouraging unhealthy (and in some cases, in the few sane nations left in the world), illegal activity. And further more conditioning CHILDREN to think it is acceptable. If we care about ANYTHING it should be the future, how will the future generations be of any worth when they are being conditioned to be depraved?

[DeathtoPrejudice]

Homosexuality is natures way of making sure people with serious genetic defects do not breed and create more people with the same problems, it's evolution.

Interesting theory, but i can't help to question it's credibility considering how many 'retarded' members of our society, hitting on (sometimes rather aggresively) members of their opposite sex.... at the same time, how many gays where you can say to yourself, "is he really gay? i had no idea."

what is "high and mighty" about suggesting they keep it in the closet? I think for them to yell about how proud they are and try to force society to accept them and what they do is actually a pretty high and mighty attitude for them to be displaying.

I was referring to his very, supremacist attitude. And yes, i tend to get quite annoyed when they flaunt it out in public... they shout gay pride, i say good for you and walk away.

You are probably right. But the same thing could probably be said about many killers and pedophiles. Does that mean we have to accept them too?

That's what we have prisons, and mental hospitals for... To keep those a danger to themselves and those around them locked up.

Homosexuality is not, in most circumstances, merely a matter of wanting to have sex with people of one's own gender. Gays are notoriously neurotic.

A theory

Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all prescribe norms of proper sexual conduct for their adherents. Welcome to The Phora.

True, but many people aren't owned or bound by religion.

[Billy Score]

True, but many people aren't owned or bound by religion.

I certainly am as atheist as they come, however i understand the danger of this type of filth.

[Starr]

I was referring to his very, supremacist attitude. And yes, i tend to get quite annoyed when they flaunt it out in public... they shout gay pride, i say good for you and walk away.

What you say in the last line is somewhat similar to what he was saying, so if he is displaying "a supremacist attitude" on this topic so are you.

Deathtoprejudice, your user title should be taken away. You are a homophobe.:(

[jcs]

A theory
That wasn't a theory. A theory would be something like Atlas' post, an attempt to explain the reasons why homosexuality exists, or why homosexuals are neurotic. It's a statement of fact that they are. Have you ever met a gay person? They're often insecure (and either loud and obnoxious or quiet because of this insecurity), gender-confused, self-hating morons who like to imagine that the whole world is against them and they have some right to entitlement and justice.
(note that I just described every leftist movement, save with that gender-confused part)

[Fade the Butcher]

True, but many people aren't owned or bound by religion.I would like to know why it is unreasonable for a given culture to establish norms of proper sexual conduct. In fact, I am not aware of many that don't. It seems to me that your position is more in need of justification.

[Sinclair]

I would like to know why it is unreasonable for a given culture to establish norms of proper sexual conduct. In fact, I am not aware of many that don't. It seems to me that your position is more in need of justification.

Relying on cultural norms is slippery. Because for one thing, they change.

[Fade the Butcher]

Relying on cultural norms is slippery. Because for one thing, they change.Such changes are often more apparent than actual. You haven't really answered my question though. The vast majority of cultures throughout history have regulated sexual interaction of their members thoughout history. Passing judgement on the basis of such norms is typical of virtually all human societies with very few exceptions. So how is it not really right or logical to draw such moral inferences?

[B-Pep]

The true reason most people oppose gay adoption is not because of some abstract morality, but rather because of the alarming rate of pedophilia in the homosexual community (considering they are a very small percentage). Most people are too cowardly to say this though, it ain't kosha, so they try to use some sort of alternative argument.

[DeathtoPrejudice]

What you say in the last line is somewhat similar to what he was saying, so if he is displaying "a supremacist attitude" on this topic so are you.

Deathtoprejudice, your user title should be taken away. You are a homophobe.

Of course I'm not, it just gets old frankly. I know they're gay, they don't have to keep telling me they're gay.. The parades are a bit much, as well.

I don't have a problem with them being gay, in fact it's their right... But it gets annoying when they go in your face about it. The same would be true if a guy discovered a big shiny... i dunno, volksmobile in his garage. And drove around with a megaphone, shouting out his window "look at my car! it's red! I have a red car!!!"

Their right to be gay is a right, and they shouldn't be judged... But they don't have to be annoying.

[sugartits]

There is no reason that homosexuals would be less capable parents than heterosexuals outside of the belief that the traditional nuclear family is the best model.

[infoterror]

In order to fully understand this issue, I've embarked on a federally-funded research program that involves having sex with other men with a test group of children in the room. I'll report back on the results in 18 years.