Fans at Soccer Game in Scotland Jeer Pope

[Lenny]

Here you will see the Best News Story from 2005 which appeared shorlty after John Paul the Second's death:


Fans at Soccer Game in Scotland Jeer Pope

GLASGOW, Scotland (AP) — Fans at a Scottish Cup soccer game jeered during a minute's silence for Pope John Paul II on Sunday, forcing the tribute to be cut short.

The booing by Hearts fans came before the semifinal against Celtic, which has mostly Catholic fans. Referee Stuart Dougal ended the memorial less than halfway through because of the noise. The game was televised in Britain and overseas.

Hearts chief executive Phil Anderton criticized the fans' conduct and apologized to Celtic and the Scottish Football Association.

"It is disturbing that some Hearts fans failed to see the significance of this occasion," he said. "There is no room for that sort of behavior in the game."

Hearts had appealed to fans on Friday to respect the minute's silence for the pope, who died April 2. The tribute also was disrupted during Saturday's semifinal, when Dundee United beat Hibernian 2-1.

Celtic's main rival is Rangers — whose fans are largely Protestant — and games between the teams have led to violence inside and outside stadiums.


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/world/2005-04-10-pope-booed_x.htm

[Niko Bellic]

Celtic's main rival is Rangers — whose fans are largely Protestant — and games between the teams have led to violence inside and outside stadiums.


Doesn't that happen at all soccer games?

[Slavic Enforcer]

That's "cool" in your opinion, isn't it, Lenny?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Thats just Lennys intellectual level showing. It is the ultimate coolness in his mind to disrupt a minute of silence for a deceased person.

[Hakluyt]

It would be in poor taste to boo at a wake, perhaps, but at a soccer game it is not beyond the realm of acceptable conduct IMO. If G.W Bush were to die today, how long before he becomes fair game to the general public? Both men are unpopular and tyrannical political leaders

[Slavic Enforcer]

It would be in poor taste to boo at a wake, perhaps, but at a soccer game it is not beyond the realm of acceptable conduct IMO. If G.W Bush were to die today, how long before he becomes fair game to the general public? Both men are unpopular and tyrannical political leaders

John Paul II. was the best Pope the Catholic Church ever had.

There's a big difference between him and the warmonger Dubya.

[Billy Score]

John Paul II. was the best Pope the Catholic Church ever had.

There's a big difference between him and the warmonger Dubya.
... no? He only helped ride the church down to its lowest point nearly. I can't imagine a worse pope. A pope who KISSES the Koran? What a weak leader. the past 4 pope don't count as far as i am concerned. they are traitors basically. Vatican II killed the papists.

[Petr]

... no? He only helped ride the church down to its lowest point nearly. I can't imagine a worse pope. A pope who KISSES the Koran?

Vatican II killed the papists.
You know Mazdak, I tend to agree with you here.


Petr

[Kodos]

John Paul II. was the best Pope the Catholic Church ever had.

Almost all the Popes were bad and he was no exception, Julius II Urban( 1st crusade) and Leo( the one who talked Attilla out of sacking Rome) are the only good ones I can think of off the top of my head.

May the Roman Antichrist burn forever.

[Slavic Enforcer]

... no? He only helped ride the church down to its lowest point nearly. I can't imagine a worse pope. A pope who KISSES the Koran? What a weak leader. the past 4 pope don't count as far as i am concerned. they are traitors basically. Vatican II killed the papists.

Mazdak, are you Romanian?

[raven]

He should take a crap on the Qu'ran, not kiss it.

[Lenny]

Thats just Lennys intellectual level showing. It is the ultimate coolness in his mind to disrupt a minute of silence for a deceased person.Actually people cheered when it was announced Hitler was dead in April 1945 :argue:

[Lenny]

That's "cool" in your opinion, isn't it, Lenny?I think it is appropriate and a very good thing to happen

[Felix the Cat]

Surely Lenny, John Paul II deserves some respect for embarassing the Russians in Poland and helping to undermine Communism?

[Lenny]

Surely Lenny, John Paul II deserves some respect for embarassing the Russians in Poland and helping to undermine Communism?There used to be a thread on the old Phora which debunked these false pro-Catholic claims that the Pope "single-handedly defeated Communism and heroically saved the world" or whatever. After searching the google archives I cannot find it (the Phora-google archives are shrinking day by day). However I found one old thread of note about this:

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otto_von_bismarck [talking about upcoming death of the Pope]:

Im not going to be sad about it, he was pro muslim, a socialist, and a protector of child molestors( with a phony overblown anti communist reputation).

If the Christian God is real... May god have mercy on his soul...
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Jaybird:

I believe most of us Catholics are none too fond of this Pope either. And yes, I find it ironic that this "anti-communist" went to go kiss Castro's ass.
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otto_von_bismarck:

Catholics in America at least tend to be more liberal then Protestants Jaybird( and yes I mean white guys you don't even need to include blacks), there aren't many in most of the South which is a big reason its the most conservative part of the country.
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to view the full thread click here (It was a good thread and not too long, worth a read):
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:DxuhCvlIFwsJ:www.phora.org/forum/printthread.php%3Ft%3D7437%26pp%3D40

[jcs]

I don't think John Paul II should be applauded (nor canonized... WTF?...), but he was a pretty good guy, meaning he seemed friendly and worked to do things he thought would be good (he was misguided as hell, especially with the Quran-kissing and attention he gave to the third-world; but he was a Christian living in this golden age of universalism...), so all condemnations and 'jeering' of him should be itself condemned and jeered. Tells us more about the sick character* of those insulting him than he himself.

*I sodomize JP2 in hell. (Iconoclasm is too much fun. But how can people such as lenny call themselves Christian while saying that the mocking of the passing of a kindly old dead guy is 'appropriate and very good'?)

[Billy Score]

Jcs, were he just some "kindly old man" with some warped ideas, no one would mind. but you put him in charge with one of the biggest religions in the world, then you've got problems. He made himself irrelevant. By the end of his reign, no one.. not even most catholics cared about what the Pope said (he made statements asking people to reserve sunday for prayer and church it was a day of rest, not sports, etc). The only "true" catholics weren't even in communion with the Pope at this point anyway.

And slavic wolf, i am unfortunately not romanian. Though i wouldn't mind infiltrating their society and becoming one.

[jcs]

were he just some "kindly old man" with some warped ideas, no one would mind. but you put him in charge with one of the biggest religions in the world, then you've got problems.
That makes him a problem, but it doesn't suddenly mean that it is more acceptable to say, "I sodomize JP2 in hell," or other disrespectful comments.

he made statements asking people to reserve sunday for prayer and church it was a day of rest, not sports, etc
So stupid football fans didn't like him. Score 1 for the pope.

[Lenny]

That makes him a problem, but it doesn't suddenly mean that it is more acceptable to say, "I sodomize JP2 in hell"No one ever said that...

so all condemnations and 'jeering' of him should be itself condemned and jeered. Tells us more about the sick character* of those insulting him than he himself.It is perfectly acceptable to disrupt a minute of silence for the Pope with jeers and booing. Only in your imagination is that something which is "sick" :argue:

Myself I whole-heartedly endorse disrupting a minute of silence for the Pope with booing http://www.thephora.net/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

But how can people such as lenny call themselves Christian while saying that the mocking of the passing of a kindly old dead guy is 'appropriate and very good'?See the following quotes:

Martin Luther:
"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...Personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist."

Martin Luther:
"I know that the Pope is antichrist, and that his throne is that of Satan himself."

John Calvin:
"Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt...I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." From Institutes by John Calvin

Cotton Mather (Congregational):
"The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church: and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them."

John Knox (Founder of Scottish Presbyterianism):
Knox wrote to abolish "that tyranny which the Pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church" and that the Pope should be recognized as "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks."

Archbishop Cranmer:
"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the Pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel)

John Wesley (founder of Methodism):
Speaking of the Papacy he said, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers... He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped...claiming the highest power, and highest honour...claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone."

Roger Williams (1603-1683, First Baptist Pastor in America)
He spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2)."

The Westminster Confession of Faith (1647): "There is no other head of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition that exalteth himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God."

[jcs]

No one ever said that...
Substitute in any other personal attacks on the man.

See the following quotes
All attacks upon the office (and meaningless sensationalism; 'antichrist' lol), not the man. The jeering at the soccer game was an attack upon the man himself. Let's say someone is opposed to your position in your field of work and calls those who hold said position 'antichrists' or something equally absurd. Now let's say you die. Is it cool if we mock your dead self and upset those who thought you were an ok guy, just because you held that position?
(let's also assume that you're an ok guy. we're imagining here, anything is possible! :p )

Myself I whole-heartedly endorse disrupting a minute of silence for the Pope with booing
I sodomize Luther in hell, too.

[Lenny]

All attacks upon the officeWrong.

The jeering at the soccer game was an attack upon the man himself.Wrong.

and meaningless sensationalism; 'antichrist' lolIf you think it is "sensationalism" then you know very little about Christianity. Read 2nd Thessalonian chapter 2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%202;&version=9;) and tell me that it does not clearly identitfy the Pope as Antichrist. The same for Revelation chapter 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelations%2017;&version=9;)

Bishop Ridley, Bishop of London who was executed under Queen Mary, said the following:
"The See of Rome is the seat of Satan; and the bishop of the same [the Pope], that maintaineth the abominations thereof, is Antichrist himself indeed"

[jcs]

Read 2nd Thessalonian chapter 2 and tell me that it does not clearly identitfy the Pope as Antichrist.
'clearly' as in 'explicitly'? I don't see it written: "pope is antichrist lol."
The Roman Catholic Chruch does not tell people to worship the Pope. You're crazy, lenny.

[Felix the Cat]

The Roman Catholic Chruch does not tell people to worship the Pope. You're crazy, lenny.

[01-01-2006 05:14 AM] jcs: benedict is god.
:D
filler filler filler

[jcs]

I'm not Catholic.

[Petr]

The Roman Catholic Chruch does not tell people to worship the Pope..

(Ahem)

Papal bull Unam Sanctam:

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html


Semper eadem, right?


Petr

[Helios Panoptes]

(Ahem)

Papal bull Unam Sanctam:

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html


Semper eadem, right?


Petr


That doesn't imply that they worship the pope. Rather, the pope is seen as an oracle of religious truth, which is entirely different than being a deity, which worshipped in itself.

[Felix the Cat]

It was a good thread and not too long, worth a read
Worth archiving before it disappears.

[Billy Score]

JCS- yes i am not sympathizing with sports fanatics. I am simply saying that .. no one and i mean NO ONE cared about this declaration. The papacy isn't taken serioulsy by even catholics.

[Nemo]

Fans at Soccer Game in Scotland Jeer Pope

GLASGOW, Scotland (AP) — Fans at a Scottish Cup soccer game jeered during a minute's silence for Pope John Paul II on Sunday, forcing the tribute to be cut short.

The booing by Hearts fans came before the semifinal against Celtic, which has mostly Catholic fans. Referee Stuart Dougal ended the memorial less than halfway through because of the noise. The game was televised in Britain and overseas.

Hearts chief executive Phil Anderton criticized the fans' conduct and apologized to Celtic and the Scottish Football Association.

"It is disturbing that some Hearts fans failed to see the significance of this occasion," he said. "There is no room for that sort of behavior in the game."

Hearts had appealed to fans on Friday to respect the minute's silence for the pope, who died April 2. The tribute also was disrupted during Saturday's semifinal, when Dundee United beat Hibernian 2-1.

Celtic's main rival is Rangers — whose fans are largely Protestant — and games between the teams have led to violence inside and outside stadiums.

April 10, 2005

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/world/2005-04-10-pope-booed_x.htm

How come Anglos and people from the British Isles, are such ass holes????

[Felix the Cat]

Welcome back nemo :)

[Kodos]

How come Anglos and people from the British Isles, are such ass holes????

Hey Nemo.

Fill fill fill

[Kodos]

Welcome back nemo :)

Damnit... fill fill fill

[Banat]

Fans at Soccer Game in Scotland Jeer Pope

GLASGOW, Scotland (AP) — Fans at a Scottish Cup soccer game jeered during a minute's silence for Pope John Paul II on Sunday, forcing the tribute to be cut short.

And what kind of an idiot would come to an idea to proclaim a minute's silence for the Pope in a football match with clear Catholic-Protestant animosities among the fans (hooligans), and what kind of reaction they expected from hostile and aggressive anti-Catholic crowd?

It reminds me of a similar situation when a similar kind of moron organised and proclaimed a minute's silence for 9/11 in a high-risk football match in Belgrade, two years after NATO bombings. And what was the reaction? "The crowd jeered during a minute's silence for innocent civilian casualties".

Conclusion: They didn't "boo" a dead man. They were a crowd, even more - football fans that couldn't care less, but who knew well that their opponents did care. It was just a totally inappropriate action to organise that homage and it caused a totally expected reaction.

[Lenny]

And what kind of an idiot would come to an idea to proclaim a minute's silence for the Pope in a football match with clear Catholic-Protestant animosities among the fans (hooligans), and what kind of reaction they expected from hostile and aggressive anti-Catholic crowd?

It reminds me of a similar situation when a similar kind of moron organised and proclaimed a minute's silence for 9/11 in a high-risk football match in Belgrade, two years after NATO bombings. And what was the reaction? "The crowd jeered during a minute's silence for innocent civilian casualties".

Conclusion: They didn't "boo" a dead man. They were a crowd, even more - football fans that couldn't care less, but who knew well that their opponents did care. It was just a totally inappropriate action to organise that homage and it caused a totally expected reaction.This is exactly right I would say