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Watzy
08-19-2007, 06:44 PM
Serbia starving Lipizzaner horses, claims Croatia

By Vesna Peric Zimonjic in Belgrade
Published: 03 August 2007
A herd of famous Lipizzaner horses rescued during the war in the former Yugoslavia in 1991 has found itself at the centre of a new Serbo-Croatian dispute after animal rights groups claimed they were victims of starvation and neglect.

More than 80 grey horses were moved from Lipik in Croatiato Novi Sad in northern Serbia to protect them from the war.

But there has wrangling between the two countries over who owns the horses and who pays for their care.

That has erupted into open sniping this week when animal protection groups in both countries said most of the Lipizzaners were sick or close to dying. The horses were unfed, neglected, and some had open wounds, one report said.

The powerful animals, who are born black and later obtain their famous grey colour, are well known for their elegant strutting and dancing. They were the pride of the Austro-Hungarian empire and were made famous by Austria's Spanish Riding School.

Yesterda,y the Serbian Agriculture Minister Slobodan Milosavljevic visited the farm, which lies about 45 miles north of Belgrade, to investigate for himself.

"I am no expert to judge their condition but they seem in decent state," he told reporters. Vets accompanying the minister examined the animals and said all were healthy. But they did leave around 20 tonnes of food, medicines, vitamins and other supplies at the farm for the horses.

And there were doubts about what the delegation actually saw. Neighbours told reporters that the visit was a farce. "For years, we looked at horses whose skeletons protrude through their skin," said one neighbour, who did not want to give their name. "They roam around, outside the farm, and eat anything they find - dry grass, maybe even garbage."

A spokesman for Croatia's agriculture ministry said that Serbia was due to return the horses to Croatia, "like it returned everything that was taken from Croatia during the war". But Serbia insists that the horses cannot leave until Croatia settles its accounts. The owner of the farm wants €300,000 (£200,000) in compensation for the cost of looking after the horses.

Mr Milosavljevic said he would soon meet his Croatian counterpart to try to resolve the stand-off. "We have to determine how they came here, how they were kept, what their present condition is and what should be done to solve the problem," he said.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2831116.ece

Jake Featherston
08-20-2007, 08:25 AM
A saw the Lipizzaners on tour at the Cow Palace, in San Francisco, back in like 1973 or '74; I can just barely remember it.

Watzy
08-20-2007, 09:16 AM
A saw the Lipizzaners on tour at the Cow Palace, in San Francisco, back in like 1973 or '74; I can just barely remember it.

I know the breed well, there is a paddock where I live: http://www.ergela-djakovo.hr/thepaddockdjakovo.html

Ace Rimmer
10-12-2007, 05:56 PM
javno.hr (http://www.javno.com/hr/hrvatska/clanak.php?id=89195)

U Hrvatsku se vraćaju oteti lipicanci
Oteti konji su posljednjih 12 godina bili u novosadskoj ergeli Bukinac.

http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2007/m07/x63146624870318518.jpg

S ergele 'Bukinac' kod Novog Sada u Hrvatsku je popodne krenuo prvi od pet kamiona s ukupno 66 konja lipicanske pasmine otetih s Lipičke ergele 1991., potvrdila je novinarima načelnica srbijanske Republičke veterinarske inspekcije Sanja Čelebićanin.

Ministarstvo poljoprivrede, šumarstva i vodnog gospodarstva RH potvrdilo je da će kamion s konjima ući u Hrvatsku preko graničnog prijelaza u Iloku između 17 i 18 sati.

U kolovozu 1991. s Lipičke ergele, pod izlikom da ih spašava, odveo ih je Milan Komasović, a konji su iz Hrvatske preko BiH odvedeni u Srbiju, te su posljednjih 12 godina bili u novosadskoj ergeli 'Bukinac'.

O povratku konja u Hrvatsku dogovorili su se potkraj kolovoza u Novom Sadu ministri poljoprivrede Srbije i Hrvatske Slobodan Milosavljević i Petar Čobanković te vlasnik ergele 'Bukinac', a tada je i postignut dogovor da stručne službe dvaju ministarstva dođu u Novi Sad i zajednički obave sve potrebne provjere, kontrole i utvrde zdravstveno stanje lipicanaca.

Sivi_Sokol
10-18-2007, 02:00 PM
SRBIJI ZAUZVRAT LICENCU LIPICANACA
Nakon što je u petak Hrvatskoj vraćeno njezinih 66 konja lipicanaca ukradenih u Lipiku, Todor Bukinac, vlasnik ergele na kojoj su do tada bili hrvatski lipicanci, za beogradske "Večernje novosti" otkriva što se krije iza dogovora između hrvatskoga i srbijanskoga ministarstva poljoprivrede, a što je ministar Petar Čobanković prešutio hrvatskim građanima. Umjesto naknade od 300 000 €, koliko je tražio za "brigu" o konjima u proteklih 12 godina, Bukinac otkriva beogradskome listu da mu je ministar Čobanković zauzvrat obećao da će za preostalih 500 lipicanaca iz Srbije Hrvatska osigurati vrijednu tzv. licencu LIP, kojom bi srspki konji dobili rodovnike i bili izjednačeni s hrvatskim lipicancima. Iako je Hrvatskoj predao 66 konja, Todor Bukinac ne će ostati bez grla ove pasmine, naime na njegovim ergelama u Novom Sadu i Novom Miloševu ostalo je još oko sto konja koji vode podrijetlo od ovih lipicanaca, a koji će sada obećanom licencom dobiti na svjetskoj vrijednosti.
(td)
Hrvatski List - br.160 - 18.10.2007
Vidite kako Cigani (=Servi) trguju. Prvo ukradu, onda ucjenjuju za ukradeno za dodatnu dobit.

Sivi_Sokol
02-24-2008, 01:35 PM
24. 02. 2008. | 13:50
Parada lipicanaca na splitskoj rivi oduševila građane

http://www.vecernji.hr/system/galleries/pics/080224/dalm-tx.jpg
Foto: Vanja Zubčić

SPLIT - Ergela Lipik u suradnji s gradom Splitom danas je na splitsku rivu dovela lipicance koji su oduševili Splićane, te je riva, na koju nakon preuređenja Splićani negoduju, danas bila dupkom puna.

Cilj akcije "Zajedno za ergelu Lipik" jest da im državna administracija dodijeli status državne ergele i preuzme brigu o njihovoj skrbi.

Lipicanci su se u ergeli Lipik, osnovanoj 1938., uzgajali sve do srpske agresije na Hrvatsku 1991., kada su lipicanci odvedeni u Bosnu, pa Srbiju, odakle su naporima hrvatske Vlade vraćeni nakon 16 godina.

Ergela Lipik u suradnji sa svojim brojnim sponzorima želi senzibilizirati Hrvatsku da pomogne u obnovi ergele jer dnevno lipicanci u toj ergeli jedu 600 kg sjena, 300 kg zobi, trebaju 200 kg slame, vitamine, lijekove...

http://www.vecernji.hr/system/galleries/pics/080224/dalm.jpg

Splićani su poduprli akciju i direktnim donacijama ali i konzumiranjem jela i pića po promotivnim cijenama. Akciju su poduprli i brojne splitske poznate osobe među kojima i Tedi Spalato, grupa Dalmatino, glumci, sportaši i osobe iz javnog života.

Nakon Splita lipicanci će biti u Osijeku, Karlovcu i Zagrebu, a cijela akcija će završiti u Lipiku velikom feštom.

Akcija "Zajedno za ergelu Lipik" organizirana je u suradnji sa zadrugama Hrvatski lipicanac i Zadruga veselja i zdravlja.

(Hina)
Večernjak. (http://www.vecernji.hr/newsroom/regions/dalmatia/3020098/index.do)

Sivi_Sokol
02-24-2008, 01:41 PM
Ukrao par slika sa dnevnik.hr-a:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3036/lipicaner01um4.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/518/lipicaner02mn2.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4999/lipicaner03zk9.jpg

Longinus
05-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Kladim se da će pedesetak godina prikazivati kao da ih baštine od doba cara Lazara.

Jebiga, kad konji nemaju broja šasije kao automobili. Da je suprotno, stare srpske marke bi vjerojatno bile i Opel ili BMW.