Chavez: "The descendants of the Christ-killers" control the world"

[Ixtab]

Venezuelan President Chavez: "The descendants of the Christ-killers" control the world"
January 02, 2006

Chavez's Christmas speech: Jews own all the gold and water, the "good lands" and the petrol


http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000625.html

CHAVEZ MAKES ANTI-SEMITIC CHRISTMAS SPEECH

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez announced in a Christmas speech that "the descendants of those who crucified Christ" have appropriated the riches of the world.

Speaking at a rehabilitation centre on December 24, the controversial left-wing president said "the descendants of those who crucified Christ... have taken ownership of the riches of the world, a minority has taken ownership of the gold of the world, the silver, the minerals, water, the good lands, petrol, well, the riches, and they have concentrated the riches in a small number of hands."

[Berianidze]

Another anti-semitic hate-speech from an anti-imperialist leader; good grief! I'm in complete agreement with him, yet it seems unbelievable that there are still those who deny such statements to be true.

[Geist]

Thats a few leaders openly attacking Jews, Chavez and Irans leader whose name is too difficult for me to spell and Id have to google it. Chavez aint too bad, he sticks with his own people and knows capitalism dosent suit SA, any continent who was fucked over by the U.S. that much is unlikely to care for capitalism or Jews.

[B-Pep]

I agree 300% WITH EVERYTHING he says and does. He is the greatest leader to come to power in the 21st century, by far.

[Atlas]

I agree, though I don't see a war happening between the US and Venezuela.

There are still 25 000 jews there.

[Fade the Butcher]

Someone let Linder know Chavez is naming the Jew.

[Leif]

Here is the exceprt:

"El mundo tiene para todos, pues, pero resulta que unas minorias, los descendientes de los mismos que crucificaron a Cristo, los descendientes de los mismos que echaron a Bolivar de aqui y tambien lo crucificaron a su manera en Santa Marta, alla en Colombia. Una minoria se adueno de las riquezas del mundo, una minoria se adueno del oro del planeta, de la plata, de los minerales, de las aquas, de las tierras buenas, del petroleo, de las riquezas, pues, y han concentrado las riquezas en pocas manos: menos del diez por ciento de la poblacion del mundo..."

Translation:

"The world has [enough] for all, but, results that some minorities, the descendents of the same that crucified Christ, the descendents of the same that threw Bolivar from here and also crucified him in their way in Santa Marta, over there in Colombia. A minority that controls the riches of the world, a minority that controls the ore of the planet, of the money, the minerals, the waters, the good lands, petroleum, the riches, so, and has concentraded the riches in few hands, smaller than ten percent of the population of the world..."

I believe he was referring to 'Whites.' Here is my reasoning; Indians, of which Chavez discusses directly after that, claiming himself to be half Indian and Bolivian President Evo Morales "indian and a half," do not usually distinguish between 'Whites' and 'Jews.' This is relevant to his mention of "Christ Killers." Contrary to the European view of "Jews" as Christ-Killers, Native Americans view "Whites" as Christ-Killers. The North American Indian "Ghost Dance" was developed with the religious belief that 'Whites' had forsaken Jesus when they killed him, and that Jesus was now meant to save Indians. Also, I would like to point out that Chavez uses the phrase "less than 10 percent of the world's population." Jews make up less than 1% of the world's population.

ten percent= 600,000,000

one percent=60,000,000

I'm not trying to cover up the fact that Jews, taken as a whole, are a tremendously wealthy group, but I do not believe Chavez was speaking about Jews. To Europeans and American 'Whites,' Jews are the minority. To the rest of the world, it's us that's the minority. Do Jews consume all the oil? Do Jews control all the best land? I don't think so.

But of course, the bourgeois press is always looking for some way to attack renegade leaders across the globe. Anything from Chavez's "anti-semitism" to Kim Jong Il's "world's largest porn collection."

[Billy Score]

I do not support Chavez' policies towards homosexuals and abortion, but on the whole i support him as he and castro and now Morales are forming a viable bloc against judeo-yankee imperialism and globalization.

[nateddi]

Mazdak I was going to post this, you fucking ass, now you can thank me for giving you this link.

"I hate nateddi spamming pro chavez links" - Mazdak a wqhile ago

:nono:


Nuctemeron,

Is that you Huz. I'm glad we finally agree on something :) <3

[Leif]

Nuctemeron,

Is that you Huz. I'm glad we finally agree on something <3

Bregowald = Jotunlock aka Huzington aka Ixabert aka Trebaxian Vir
Nuctemeron = Dzugashvili IV aka J.Jordan aka Iron Feliks

[Felix the Cat]

I don't understand the point about "crucifying" Bolivar - my understanding is that he died of natural causes

I confess I know little about South American history - is there something obvious here I'm missing?

[Billy Score]

nateddi what the fuck are you talking about? I was joking because you are infamous for hanging on chavez' everyword/action and sending a link everytime he ties his shoes. I did not say that i am against you sending links, just that you have an almost pathological obsession with Chavez.

[Ixtab]

Is that you Huz. I'm glad we finally agree on something :) <3Hi.

...

[Felix the Cat]

Related issue - I remember reading somewhere that in a certain country in South America there's a Nazi party active (swastikas and all) which has an overwhelmingly Indian following

Does anyone have info on this?

[Billy Score]

there is a mexican National Socialist party. They've got some funny things on their site, but i lost the link some time ago. "heil adolfo" and other priceless quotes.

[Kodos]

Someone let Linder know Chavez is naming the Jew.

I can see idiot WN going pro Chavez over this even though his socialist policies are directed against the Venezualan whites and in favor( short term, long term they'll end up much worse off like the Rhodesian blacks) of the mestizos and blacks in Venezuala.

[Jimbo Gomez]

A few wise words don't mean squat, he's still an awful terrorist commie. ;)

[Leif]

I don't understand the point about "crucifying" Bolivar - my understanding is that he died of natural causes

I confess I know little about South American history - is there something obvious here I'm missing?

I don't know. Someone thoroughly fluent in Spanish should translate that. Maybe they be able to convey its meaning better than I did.

Related issue - I remember reading somewhere that in a certain country in South America there's a Nazi party active (swastikas and all) which has an overwhelmingly Indian following

Does anyone have info on this?

The Phora used to have a Chilean National Socialist named "Odin."

[Count Eustace II]

Since the rise of the Fascist Bush Regime in the US, and it's subsequent openly Imperial ambitions and wars along with it's open deferences towards Israeli policies, guys like Chavez and Ahmedinejad and Morales seem like the voice of reason and truth, a breath of fresh air. It's a phenomenon attributed to how far the United States has fallen in it's influence and righteousness and morality.

[raven]

Thing I want to know is, if this doesn't prove to "communism = the j00" theorists that left-wing authoritarians (not the hippie liberals that are often labelled left) have no connection to jews... in fact they clearly dislike jews I don't know what can.

[B-Pep]

Chavez is saying this small minority has put wealth in the hands of 10 percent of the population (judaified anglo-saxons could fall under this category), not saying that the exploiters are 10% of the population (whites are larger in number than this).

Even if , like some of you claim, was purposely targetting whites for agrarian reform, what's it to you? Venezuela is a mostly indian and mestizo country, they have every right to live any way they want, just like Europe has the right to live any way it wanted (too late now, ZOG has picked up the european check). This blind "White power world wide" garbage is just as bad as Marxism, because some of the dumber "white supremicists" want to become the NEW JEW, rather than eliminate the jew and his wretched parasitical spirit completely from all occupied lands. White people belong in white countries, blacks in black countries, browns in brown countries, and we should all mutually respect eachother and these boundaries.

BTW, Chavez' vice president, Rangel, is white himself.

[Jimbo Gomez]

He wouldn't be the first white traitor Nuct. Plenty of those to be found among the left.

[raven]

Well jews are less than 1/4 of one percent in the world. White Europeans are closer to around 10 percent. So its likely he could have referred to white europeans. This I think is a mistake because while white people tend to own a disproportionate amount on a global scale, the jews are even more disproportionate. However let's be honest, the white elite have in many cases sold out to those jews who became elites AND on top of that kicked down their fellow man. The white elites (not all but many) are responsible for allowing jewish elites to have that influence. The jewish elite help eachother out but the white elite stab other white people in the back constantly. This is why the jewish elite has a disproportionate amount of wealth.

[nateddi]

the clear reference to crucifying CHRIST, yes christ, clearly implies the target is Jews.

I also agree with J.Jordan 100% about anti-imperialism and the white supremacist movement: keep it within your own borders, the brownization of US and jewrope is has been directly caused by euroimperialism of the past. And don't be dissin on Rangel, he is a hero of the Venezuela people, a traitor only to imperialism not to his race, white supremacists in Venezuela should be considered as traitors to the country and ought to be shot.

[raven]

the clear reference to crucifying CHRIST, yes christ, clearly implies the target is Jews.

I also agree with J.Jordan 100% about anti-imperialism and the white supremacist movement: keep it within your own borders, the brownization of US and jewrope is has been directly caused by euroimperialism of the past. And don't be dissin on Rangel, he is a hero of the Venezuela people, a traitor only to imperialism not to his race, white supremacists in Venezuela should be considered as traitors to the country and ought to be shot.
Do you have the same opinion of other South American nations like Brazil and Argentina? Do you believe that it's wrong for white europeans in these nations to prefer a whiter Brazil and Argentina? Also what is your opinion about North America... do you agree that these should remain white european countries?

[Jimbo Gomez]

These whites there have lived there for generations as well. In fact, the mestizo race wouldn't even exist without the white settlers, so calling those lands mesizo is nonsense.

[Leif]

the clear reference to crucifying CHRIST, yes christ, clearly implies the target is Jews.

A reference like that only means "Jews" to Europeans. To Native Americans it means Whites, to Jews it means Romans. If Chavez was talking about Jews, why didn't he say "although they make up less than 1% of the population?"

[nateddi]

Do you have the same opinion of other South American nations like Brazil and Argentina? Do you believe that it's wrong for white europeans in these nations to prefer a whiter Brazil and Argentina? Also what is your opinion about North America... do you agree that these should remain white european countries?

I don't know about the US, europe might have a better case for being officially white. I'm not a white supremacist but I believe nations have a right to self determination, I think europe has a problem and a justifiable concern.

As far as nations with minority whites who also happen to not be the native population, as in latin america, white supremacy is less justifiable than anti-white supremacy, e.g. a mestizo nation, which brings me to Charles Martel's comment. I think that's correct, but that does not justify white supremacist colonization of these nations. A nationalist movement can be possible even with muds, for they can unite around their common heritage of oppression from white imperialism, and advocate an inclusive society that does not tolerate remenants of imperialism (e.g. wealthy whites). This is why I support the Bolivarian revolution 100%. Simon Bolivar was white, but he supported self determination. I may not be a white supremacist but I believe that nationalism is inherently a good thing, and imperialism inherently a bad thing.

[raven]

A reference like that only means "Jews" to Europeans. To Native Americans it means Whites, to Jews it means Romans. If Chavez was talking about Jews, why didn't he say "although they make up less than 1% of the population?"
Yep I think he was talking about whites. White Europeans may be over 10% of the population but close enough of an estimate anyway. The jews as I said before are 1/4 of a percent of the world population. He is most likely anti-white. I hope the european communities over there (including the Portuguese community there. :o ) get out of there ASAP and leave for greener pastures. It's obvious that Chavez only cares about helping his fellow mestizos and negroes.

[Gaucho]

It dosent come as a surprise to me. Chavez's first political assessor was Norberto Ceresole, a Peronist who later supported the Carapintadas nationalist movement in Argentina, anyone who'se familiar to him knows he didn't have much kindly things to say about the Jews. Thats why the liberal pro-imperialists originally accused him of being a "fascist" before his relations to Castro. At any rate, the demo-liberal imperialists and ultra-leftist Alan Woods thinktank should be shitting bricks. Arriba Chavez!

[Gaucho]

Do you have the same opinion of other South American nations like Brazil and Argentina? Do you believe that it's wrong for white europeans in these nations to prefer a whiter Brazil and Argentina? Also what is your opinion about North America... do you agree that these should remain white european countries?

Hispanidad, and other Mediterranid nationalist concepts have never been racialist, while Nordicism and Anglo-Saxonism have. Primo de Rivera ackolwedged that the Spanish Empire integrated the most people of color of any of the European empires. Thats why the Iberoamerican nation should identify with all its components culturally and spiritually, unlike North America, which has a race-obsessed society. The US should create a federated system with integral and self-sufficient communities based on ethnicity or a level of admixture, if chosen. It will never integrate, so racial separation is necessary.

That being said, I consider "white nationalism" itsself a judaic concept based on the Old Testament, the theory of the Curse of Ham and especially the idea of being "chosen" to pillage and conquer the world. "White" anthropologically isn't even a race, and much less a nation and it is moslty relevant to US politics (ie: a "white" person in France identifies as French against Algerian, not "white" against "arab"). Any Iberoamerican who identifies with the Anglo-Saxon over Indo or Afro Iberoamericans because of his white skin is a materialist degenerate with little regard for culture and popular spirit, one with the mental disease known as "identifying with the bully" and ultimately a traitor who will bend over backwards to liberalism (see Scarmiento).

[Crowley]

Hispanidad, and other Mediterranid nationalist concepts have never been racialist, while Nordicism and Anglo-Saxonism have. Primo de Rivera ackolwedged that the Spanish Empire integrated the most people of color of any of the European empires. Thats why the Iberoamerican nation should identify with all its components culturally and spiritually, unlike North America, which has a race-obsessed society. The US should create a federated system with integral and self-sufficient communities based on ethnicity or a level of admixture, if chosen. It will never integrate, so racial separation is necessary.

That being said, I consider "white nationalism" itsself a judaic concept based on the Old Testament, the theory of the Curse of Ham and especially the idea of being "chosen" to pillage and conquer the world. "White" anthropologically isn't even a race, and much less a nation and it is moslty relevant to US politics (ie: a "white" person in France identifies as French against Algerian, not "white" against "arab"). Any Iberoamerican who identifies with the Anglo-Saxon over Indo or Afro Iberoamericans because of his white skin is a materialist degenerate with little regard for culture and popular spirit, one with the mental disease known as "identifying with the bully" and ultimately a traitor who will bend over backwards to liberalism (see Scarmiento).


What about Iberoamericans who identify as Indios based on their brown skin? Are they "mentally diseased" as well?

[raven]

Hispanidad, and other Mediterranid nationalist concepts have never been racialist, while Nordicism and Anglo-Saxonism have. Primo de Rivera ackolwedged that the Spanish Empire integrated the most people of color of any of the European empires. Thats why the Iberoamerican nation should identify with all its components culturally and spiritually, unlike North America, which has a race-obsessed society. The US should create a federated system with integral and self-sufficient communities based on ethnicity or a level of admixture, if chosen. It will never integrate, so racial separation is necessary.

That being said, I consider "white nationalism" itsself a judaic concept based on the Old Testament, the theory of the Curse of Ham and especially the idea of being "chosen" to pillage and conquer the world. "White" anthropologically isn't even a race, and much less a nation and it is moslty relevant to US politics (ie: a "white" person in France identifies as French against Algerian, not "white" against "arab"). Any Iberoamerican who identifies with the Anglo-Saxon over Indo or Afro Iberoamericans because of his white skin is a materialist degenerate with little regard for culture and popular spirit, one with the mental disease known as "identifying with the bully" and ultimately a traitor who will bend over backwards to liberalism (see Scarmiento).
I don't identify with this concept of "whiteness" either personally... it is merely an American invention. The concept of whiteness and nordicism are relatively new schools of thought. (with "whiteness" being around longer. Nordicism didn't come until the late 19th century) However in Europe no one can deny that Europeans usually saw Africans, amerindians and other such peoples as inferior to other Europeans. The British and French hated eachother but an englishman would have more respect for a frenchman than a negro. You get what I mean? So historically there still was that extra hostility towards other "races." Fact is there has always been division among Ibero-americans between Europeans, amerindians and negroes.

However I will say that as an Iberian I do find it insulting to see mediterraneans going on SF Latin and having threads like "Am I white?" so that they can confirm their acceptance with all the "pure aryan" germanic nordicists (who interestingly enough tend to usually live in the ethnic meltingpot of USA :D). Now that is what I call degeneracy and a mental disease. That is what I call selling out to your people. Mediterraneans are renowned to be passionate, proud people with an impressive history... it is disgraceful to see some of them totally brown-nose fake bleach blonde wannabe "aryans" (a term that is absurd and completely irrelevant in the modern day).

[Crowley]

"White" is a colonial term in the sense that it would be used in all the White meltingpot colonies. Most of us are not ethnic Europeans so ... The true term should be American but that one got away, just like the country did.

Raven,

You make too much of the pure Nordic Aryan cult. It mainly consists of 50 or so guys on the net, and that's about it.

[raven]

You make too much of the pure Nordic Aryan cult. It mainly consists of 50 or so guys on the net, and that's about it.
More or less. :D

It always seemed weird to me to identify with "white pride" but I have a homogenous ethnic background so that's easy for me to say. But as you said, it would perhaps be better if Americans with these diverse european mixes were to just identify as American. The blacks usually identify as well black or african-american anyway and the mestizos identify as latino or latin-american so the unhyphenated "American" label is up for grabs. :D

[Leif]

Chavez is saying this small minority has put wealth in the hands of 10 percent of the population (judaified anglo-saxons could fall under this category), not saying that the exploiters are 10% of the population (whites are larger in number than this).

a) That is exactly as I translated it.

b) The fact that the small minority "put wealth in the hands of 10 percent of the population" is fairly implicit that they placed the wealth in THEIR OWN hands.

c) "Whites" are approximately 10% of the global human population. North America= 300million, add with Europe which is another 300million. Add various whites scattered across the globe and you get approximately 600million, or, 10% of the world's population. In fact, North America is only 2/3 'white,' and Europe is probably 80 percent 'white.'

[Felix the Cat]

White people belong in white countries, blacks in black countries, browns in brown countries, and we should all mutually respect eachother and these boundaries.
What makes a country "white" or "brown"?

Is a country which became "white" due to invasion and ethnic cleansing legitimately so?

Why should "brown" people respect such boundaries?

[raven]

I think it's very clear he was talking about those of euro descent (whites). If amerinidians believed that europeans killed christ and he explicity mentioned 10% it is very clear who he is talking about. Jews are only 1/4 of a 1% of the world population. That said I have no idea why the Spanish leader would do business with him after Chavez made such a comment.