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ogenoct
09-14-2007, 08:06 AM
I favor it because the Russian Federation is too centralized. All the developments take place in Moscow while the other areas in Russia decay. Also, Putin's bellicose posturing against the West must be curtailed. We do not need a new Soviet Union that will pit itself against the West and possibly ally itself with the enemies of the West (such as China and the Islamic world). If the Russian Federation broke apart into several independent territories, these territories would have no choice but to nudge closer to the West. Muscovite imperialism must be smashed!

Constantin

Slavic Enforcer
09-14-2007, 12:37 PM
The USA obviously (try to) surround Russia. As Russia's president, I wouldn't react much different than Putin.

Lieutenant William Bligh
09-16-2007, 06:03 PM
I favor it because the Russian Federation is too centralized. All the developments take place in Moscow while the other areas in Russia decay. Also, Putin's bellicose posturing against the West must be curtailed. We do not need a new Soviet Union that will pit itself against the West and possibly ally itself with the enemies of the West (such as China and the Islamic world). If the Russian Federation broke apart into several independent territories, these territories would have no choice but to nudge closer to the West. Muscovite imperialism must be smashed!

Constantin

How is Muscovite Imperialism worse than American Imperialism?

Kodos
09-16-2007, 08:20 PM
I favor it because the Russian Federation is too centralized. All the developments take place in Moscow while the other areas in Russia decay.

I heard this from a Russia girl, apparently all of Russia's money ends up in Moscow.

I favor Russia's existence for foreign policy reasons. There'd be nothing like a tripartate alliance between the US Russia and China to keep the 3rd world in order and not having nukes...

Jake Featherston
09-16-2007, 09:01 PM
If the Russian Federation broke apart into several independent territories, these territories would have no choice but to nudge closer to the West.

Unfortunately, the West itself is no longer particularly pro-Western. Russia is more pro-Western than the actual freakin' West, if you define "Western" by the values and ideas which traditionally defined the West. Moscow and St. Petersburg are more Western than Amsterdam or San Francisco. The West should get back to its origins, and should warmly embrace Russia as its closest and most meaningful ally (with an eye of the day when there will no longer be any distinction between Russia and the West, and the northern third of the planet, perhaps including Japan, is one unified trade & security bloc). Vladimir Putin is the greatest national leader on the planet today.

Jake Featherston
09-16-2007, 09:02 PM
I heard this from a Russia girl, apparently all of Russia's money ends up in Moscow.

Just like all of America's winds up in New York, London, and Beijing.

Kodos
09-16-2007, 09:07 PM
Just like all of America's winds up in New York, London, and Beijing.

What about LA...

She said she thought (disclosure she was a half jew, but she liked both Putin and guns...) the key point was all of Russia's banks were headquartered in Moscow (St. Petersburg, her favorite city apparently has none).

Felix the Cat
09-16-2007, 09:21 PM
I don't think Russia has anything to fear from the West.

If the Russians send troops into Estonia or Ukraine or Georgia, what will be the international reaction?

Will there be any international reaction?

Slavic Enforcer
09-16-2007, 09:58 PM
If the Russians send troops into Estonia or Ukraine or Georgia, what will be the international reaction?

Will there be any international reaction?

That's a good question.

Kodos
09-16-2007, 10:48 PM
I don't think Russia has anything to fear from the West.

If the Russians send troops into Estonia or Ukraine or Georgia, what will be the international reaction?

Will there be any international reaction?

Lots of santimonious pettyfogging from human rights talking heads...

Mackie
09-17-2007, 05:00 AM
I don't think Russia has anything to fear from the West.

If the Russians send troops into Estonia or Ukraine or Georgia, what will be the international reaction?

Will there be any international reaction?
The international reaction as usual , would propably just be a whole lot of whinging about whatever :/
however;

1. I dont think they'll be bold enough as to risk war with a nato country, plus that possibly would pull the rest of us in the conflict (as much as i would like to say that we'd come to aid i cant really tell with the current prime minister and president), though im not quite sure what the other baltic nations would have to offer to the conflict...
2. That would generally be interesting, especially if ukraine decided to resist... Whatever the best ussr had to offer in its last days (pretty much what ukraine has plus some modern trinkets) vs. modern russian arsenal.
3. I could actually see that happening seeing how things are with russia and georgia but i cant say much else.