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Hakluyt
01-09-2006, 07:55 AM
You call it PC. I call it courtesy

The British are not in thrall to 'political correctness'; they just tend to temper prejudice with tolerance

Will Hutton
Sunday January 8, 2006

Observer

Prejudice dies hard. Scratch British society and the not-so-pleasant instincts of our forebears are just below the surface. Or not below at all. Women wimp out and suckle kids (Neil French, top advertising executive); homosexual love is unacceptable (Sir Iqbal Sacranie, head of the Muslim Council of Great Britain); Arabs are limb-amputators (Robert Kilroy-Silk). Ethnic minorities, women and gays routinely encounter sexism, homophobia or racism.

These attitudes run deep. Women in positions of authority know that men do not contend with anything similar to the sexism they encounter daily. After the July bombings, Muslims were sharply reminded of how atavistic racism can be; never forget Anthony Walker, killed with an axe by white teenagers in Liverpool. Nor ever-present anti-semitism. The allegation is that political correctness irrationally protects these minorities. Last week some newspapers delighted in the story of the black royal bodyguard who was allegedly over-promoted in the cause of 'political correctness', and had subsequently to be compensated by his police employers. These are easy sneers.

Which is why, up to a point, I defend political correctness from its multitude of detractors, the latest being Conservative think-tank Civitas last week. Words matter. It is how we transmit, embed and develop our culture. Talk of blacks as niggers, gays as queers, women as bitches, Jews as part of an international conspiracy and the words become part of our collective, reflex view.

Derogatory words laden with prejudice not only degrade those they describe, who find themselves categorised in ways they do not deserve - they degrade the social currency. The aggressive, dysfunctional language of hatred of the American South, Nazi Germany or Mao's China helped both to create and sustain those societies. Words were crucial to the governing ideologies.

There is nothing wrong with taking care over what you say and how you say it. It is a basic courtesy and makes a statement about what kind of society you want to live in and how you expect to be treated yourself. It's because I want to live in a liberal society, respect others and believe words count that I try to choose them carefully.

The Civitas pamphlet marshals the usual counter-argument; we are living under the liberal jackboot, self-policing our thoughts, denying ourselves free expression and privileging undeserving minorities etc. All this is paranoid nonsense. Even its author, Anthony Browne, acknowledges the advances in tolerance that 'political correctness' - i.e. courtesy - have fostered. But he adds a twist to the standard conservative criticism. Minorities are increasingly sheltering under the protection of political correctness in order not to confront truths about themselves.

Thus, he argues, many blacks label indictments of their poor behaviour racist. Champions of women's equality claim that sexism blocks their promotion when the reality is a more complex story about trading work responsibilities against the pleasures and duties of family. Muslims are too quick to identify prejudice in others and so do not confront the anti-semitism, sexism and homophobia in their own culture. And so on.

Browne has half a point. If what I call courtesy and he calls PC becomes an excuse for reality-avoidance, then we would be colluding in dishonesty. But that does not mean we should give up on courtesy; rather, it means being more alert to lazy thinking and braver about challenging it.

And Browne, the self-declared custodian of 'truth' against PC 'untruth', can be guilty of lazy thinking.

If women are given 'ever more rights' that damage their employment prospects, as he argues, then we are entitled to ask which rights he has in mind and where is his evidence that they are damaging women's employment prospects.

Equally, if Browne believes that the 'politically correct' argue that African poverty is the result only of lack of Western aid and not of corrupt governments, then he and the custodians of truth should deliver chapter and verse to support their case.

But they don't, on these or any other of their charges, because they are politically correct conservatives, in thrall to their evidence-free shibboleths. The reason liberal attitudes have such force is not because of the thought police or the BBC; it is because the British generally try to cap their prejudices with tolerance and accept the case for courtesy.

Browne is right to declare that Western minds must reassert their commitment to reason. The unthinking critics of political correctness will be the first casualty.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5369513-102273,00.html

Starr
01-09-2006, 08:37 AM
There is nothing wrong with taking care over what you say and how you say it. It is a basic courtesy and makes a statement about what kind of society you want to live in and how you expect to be treated yourself. It's because I want to live in a liberal society, respect others and believe words count that I try to choose them carefully.

Because you respect others, isn't that nice?:rolleyes: As if one even has a choice about whether or not they want to watch what they say. What a great effect forcing people to do so has and will continue to have. It will and does, of course, but not in the way they are dreaming about.;)

Felix the Cat
01-09-2006, 08:38 AM
Note reference to Nazi Germany.

Odd how that goes.

Excorcism
01-09-2006, 08:40 AM
Because you respect others, isn't that nice?:rolleyes: As if one even has a choice about whether or not they want to watch what they say. What a great effect forcing people to do so has and will continue to have. It will and does, of course, but not in the way they are dreaming about.;)

No one said the Masses were fairly intelligent as a whole.

Cyber Hostility
01-09-2006, 09:08 AM
You call it PC. I call it courtesy

...and I call this "courtesy" treason.



never forget Anthony Walker, killed with an axe by white teenagers in Liverpool...

...but forget all about the crimes against Whites (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3191273.stm), ...because you crackers deserve it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/dorset/3181863.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/3109374.stm

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16559655%26method=full%26siteid=62484%26headline=girl%2dgang%2dbeats%2dup%2dgran%2d%2d73-name_page.html

Remember, what we need is understanding and tolerance...

http://img191.echo.cx/img191/3812/64314uh.jpg

...just like in America!

Starr
01-09-2006, 09:13 AM
That is not very tolerant and PC of you to bring up black crimes against whites.:(

Thus, he argues, many blacks label indictments of their poor behaviour racist.

Cyber Hostility
01-09-2006, 09:18 AM
That is not very tolerant and PC of you to bring up black crimes against whites.:(

Whoops! I guess I need to reregister for the sensitivity courses and PC 101.

Excorcism
01-09-2006, 09:36 AM
Whoops! I guess I need to reregister for the sensitivity courses and PC 101.

what?! you're not getting off that easy! You have to go to the camp of tolerance! Jawohl!





South Park reference

Cyber Hostility
01-09-2006, 09:45 AM
http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/614/614_image_02.jpg

:eek:

Ahknaton
01-09-2006, 09:55 AM
There is nothing wrong with taking care over what you say and how you say it. It is a basic courtesy and makes a statement about what kind of society you want to live in and how you expect to be treated yourself. It's because I want to live in a liberal society, respect others and believe words count that I try to choose them carefully.This is fair enough, provided that all reasonable, reality-based political positions are acceptable, provided that you phrase them with the appropriate courtesy. The problem is that certain ideas that challenge the multi-culti status quo are off-limits no matter how carefully you dot your i's and cross your t's, and if you do attempt to present them in polite language you will just be accused of being a "genteel anti-Semite", or "putting a facade of respectibility on racist hatred" or something similar.

If Political Correctness was limited to enforcing linguistic rules it wouldn't be (as much of) a problem. But it's not, it's about enforcing ideological conformity.
The reason liberal attitudes have such force is not because of the thought police or the BBC; it is because the British generally try to cap their prejudices with tolerance and accept the case for courtesy.
This is half true. IMHO, liberals will always have "one up" on racial-realists, because pointing out awkward truths is always going to come across as rude and insensitive (or will be easily framed as such). All the liberal has to do is keep denying/distorting reality, forcing the racist to state his position with increasing bluntness until the rules of decorum are broken, and then the liberal can declare victory.

There is no point trying to be diplomatic either. Often when debating antis I try and offer them a face-saving way out (e.g. "blacks aren't inferior, they just have a different set of abilities to whites"), but they never take it, because they know that I'm really "just being polite" and they can always find holes in the rose-tinted "face saving" presentation (since diplomacy is basically lying) and force me to state things in harsher, less diplomatic terms.

Personally I think that the obligation to be diplomatic is forfeit if you offer them a face-saving out and they refuse to take it.

Starr
01-09-2006, 05:32 PM
Yes, and then after baiting you and getting you to say exactly what they want you to say, they can feel they have done their good deed for the day and exposed you for the awful bigot you are. Then they don't have to worry about saying anything more, calling you a racist is sufficient at that point.

raven
01-09-2006, 09:58 PM
http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/614/614_image_02.jpg

:eek:
What episode of southpark is that? I might have seen this before, or maybe not. Is it the one with sexual harrassment panda?

jcs
01-09-2006, 10:01 PM
What episode of southpark is that? I might have seen this before, or maybe not. Is it the one with sexual harrassment panda?
I believe it is.

Sinclair
01-09-2006, 10:33 PM
I'm pretty sure it's the one with Mr. Garrison trying to get fired for being gay.

Excorcism
01-09-2006, 10:38 PM
I'm pretty sure it's the one with Mr. Garrison trying to get fired for being gay.

Bingo!

In the episode, they also have the quest of Lemmiwinks

raven
01-09-2006, 11:00 PM
Oh I just saw now. It's not sexual harrassment panda. Its called "The Death Camp of Tolerance" :D Season 6, Eps 14