Canadian Patriots Beat Gooks

[Алекс]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070928.TIP28/TPStory/TPNational/Ontario/

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York Regional Police defended themselves yesterday amid a growing controversy over accusations they have dragged their feet while looking into allegations of racist assaults on Asian fishermen on the shores of Lake Simcoe.

At a press conference at Toronto City Hall yesterday, Chinese-Canadian and anti-racism activists accused police of failing to recognize that a series of recent assaults in Georgina were motivated by racial hatred and failing to take similar past complaints seriously.

"Even with such clear evidence staring them in the face, there are still some members of the police who are denying that these incidents have anything to do with racism," said Avvy Go,

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a lawyer with the Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic.

York Regional Police sent two officers from its diversity unit, uninvited, to the press conference to address the activists' concerns.

Staff-Sergeant Ricky Veerappan said that, despite initial reports that police did not consider the assaults racially motivated, hate crimes investigators

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are now looking into four incidents on Lake Simcoe's shores.

"Rest assured, York Regional Police are taking these matters very, very seriously. It is appalling that things like this happen within our community," Staff-Sgt. Veerappan said.

The alleged hate crimes, activists said, involve local young people targeting mostly Asian people fishing off docks on the shores of Lake Simcoe at night and pushing them into the water, an activity reportedly known among local youth by the derogatory term "nipper tipping," activists said.

Police, community activists and local politicians all said they had never heard the term until it surfaced in news reports about recent incidents.

In the most recent assault, on Sept. 16, a hate-crimes investigator has been on the case since Day 1, Staff-Sgt. Veerappan said. But media attention appears to have driven police to have hate crime investigators take another look at three similar crimes in the Georgina area since April.

On April 27, Staff-Sgt. Veerappan said, an Asian Canadian and his son were fishing, and the son was thrown into the water. :rofl: On July 22, the car windshield of a middle-aged South Asian couple was smashed and a ball cap stolen. On Aug. 6, another man was thrown into the water, and a local 19-year-old man has been charged. :viking:

The incident this month, which allegedly also started when an Asian man was pushed into the water, erupted into a confrontation and a car chase that left a 23-year-old Toronto man, not of Asian decent, in a coma. :confused: :mad: A Sutton man faces charges in the incident.

Activists said these incidents were just the tip of an iceberg. Simon Li, host of a Chinese-language phone-in program on AM 1540 in Toronto, said yesterday that at least three callers to a recent program on the issue reported similar incidents. One caller said a white cottager once even pointed a gun at his head, Mr. Li said.

The mayor of Georgina, Robert Grossi, said the town is "ashamed" of the incidents. The town council asked this week that police investigate whether they were racially motivated.

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[Ahknaton]

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LOL. I know "they all look the same" but damn. I thought this was a photoshop at first. Perhaps they are all members of the same family?

I don't approve of racial beatings, I have to say. It's just plain thuggery, and damages legitimate advancement of the interests of the White community.

[todd]

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LOL. I know "they all look the same" but damn. I thought this was a photoshop at first. Perhaps they are all members of the same family?I think the Asians have started cloning humans. You could not with any probability get a random assortment of people in a room and have it turn out like that. It does kinda look like a photoshop because their eyes are all squinted in the same way. Oh wait...

[Sardonica]

I posted a separate thread under "current events" for this issue.

Bear in mind that the "nippertipping" isn't only done to asians but Whites as well, see the article in my other thread. One victim was put in a coma - not an asian, but a White!

Also, these slopes who fish in the middle of the night are poaching, 99% of the time. Few of them buy fishing licenses. They're either jacklighting (illegal), snagging (trolling with large 3-prong hooks rather than using bait), or taking fish out of season (or breaking rules for sex, size etc.), that's why they're fishing at night in the first place - so they don't get caught. I grew up in a rural area where fishing was a major pastime, and it was a regular thing to watch these assholes driving in from Toronto to do this. That's how the practise of "nippertipping" started - to stop the slopes from stealing fish illegally from legitimate anglers who spent money on fishing licences and followed the law.

They should be happy that they're just being pushed into the water rather than being fined or arrested for poaching, as they should be.

In the meantime, their whining annoys me and is just another example of mud whiners getting to run things in Canada, despite the laws we have in place. "Hate crime" indeed! :mad:

So much for democracy. Democracy in Canada only applies if your ass is brown. Whites need not apply.

[chloeblossoms]

Democracy in Canada only applies if your ass is brown.

Do government officials go about the process of inspecting the nether ends of individuals to determine how to properly mete out justice?:)

[Jake Featherston]

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Its like the same person over and over again, right down to the (absence of?) facial expression, just with different haircuts. I don't particularly dislike east Asian people (the way I tend to dislike Blacks) but damn, that pic gives me the creeps. It makes me want to reach for a can of bug spray. I guess that's one reason why I'm not attracted (generally; there are exceptions) to east Asian women; it'd be too much like having sex with an east Asian man.

[Jake Featherston]

Do government officials go about the process of inspecting the nether ends of individuals to determine how to properly mete out justice?:)

That is precisely how the matter is handled. Do you like, work for the Canadian government?

[Felix the Cat]

So basically, Asians are poaching and crying "racism" when people take them to task for it?

(And that picture is obviously a photoshop :D)

[Dragonair]

I have a Canadian uncle living in Toronto. He told me that about 20% of people there are Chinese. Is it he exaggerating, or east asians are really "flooding" Canada?
Jack, I agree. White women are the most attractive women, no doubt :kiss: ...

[Felix the Cat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto

40% nonwhite. Of these, Chinese and Indians are the biggest groups with 10% each

[Sardonica]

So basically, Asians are poaching and crying "racism" when people take them to task for it?
YUP! (http://www.thestar.com/News/article/263545)

Anglers claim racism

But town residents say poaching has sparked anger, vicious attacks against Asian Canadians

Oct 04, 2007 04:30 AM
Dale Brazao
STAFF REPORTER

Westport, Ont.–To hear the anglers tell it, they have been attacked, thrown off a bridge into the water, and threatened with baseball bats and axes by angry residents.

The unCanadian behaviour, these Asian Canadian anglers say, is just because of the way they look.

But residents of this idyllic hamlet on the shore of Big Rideau Lake, 45 minutes north of Kingston, tell a different story. Yes, there is palpable anger in town toward the "Asian" anglers, but it has nothing to do with race.

Residents claim some of the many GTA anglers of Asian descent, who make repeated late-night pilgrimages to harvest crappies and rock bass, have also been caught poaching prized bass and walleye from local sanctuaries.

"This has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with protecting the fish," says Charlie Jones, a member of a fish conservation group. "These people have been caught time and time again over the last five years either over-fishing or taking fish from the sanctuary."

Jones, who also manages the local grocery store, blames the Natural Resources ministry's lax enforcement of fishing regulations for the problem.

"People call the MNR constantly, but they don't do anything. They don't have the staff to police this."

Residents with lakeside properties have also complained of finding garbage, including human feces and toilet paper, on their lawns or behind their garages.

"That's all over the place and that is absolutely not right," said Peter Clipsham, a broker with Coldwater Banker (real estate agents - S) in town, who is convinced much of the illicit fishing is being carried out for profit.

Rumours of aerated tank trucks trolling the countryside have added fuel to the speculation that many of these fishing trips are supplying Toronto's Chinatown restaurants.

Crappies and rock bass, considered substandard species by many sport fishermen, are a delicacy in the Asian community. And in July and August crappies are apparently voracious eaters at night.

There is no evidence of illegal commercial fishing, said Steve Aubry, the MNR's supervisor of enforcement for the area. He said his officers are aware and are monitoring the situation in Westport.

The ministry has a 24-hour hotline for tips on illegal activity, but it does not have an emergency response system and that may be what is frustrating residents.

Residents say the atmosphere in Westport is so charged that any Asian person seen with a fishing pole at night is liable to attract heat.

Two mob attacks on anglers fishing on area bridges in the past month have shaken the Asian Canadian community.

On the night of Sept. 14, a 73-year-old Scarborough (Toronto suburb - S) resident was beaten unconscious and his son-in-law thrown off a bridge 3 metres into the water after being attacked by men who emerged from a van.

This information is posted on telephone poles on the Sand Lake bridge in Westport by an Asian Canadian group calling itself "better Canada2007." It's offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the attackers.

Last weekend, a gang of young men brandishing baseball bats and axes chased a group of Toronto fishermen off another area bridge.

Neither incident is believed to have happened on sanctuary waters, which are clearly marked.

A lot of this stuff used to happen in the small town where I grew up. There was a nice rainbow trout stream behind our house, so I saw this kind of crap going on all the time - nips lined up with their fishing poles on the stream banks in the middle of the night, on private land, weeks before the legal season started.

Landowners used to either fire rifles in the air or blast the nips with rock salt to chase them off. Nowadays, that would be a "hate crime". Back then, the nips knew better than to try calling the cops, because the cops would just arrest THEM for trespassing, and report them to Natural Resources for poaching. :bbbat:

[Felix the Cat]

Yes, in a sane society these complaints would be laughed out of court and the self-confessed poachers arrested

[SlagMaster]

It is no wonder that Rats and Dogs hide from these Gook clones.

[Felix the Cat]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071103.FISHERS03/TPStory/National

Asian Canadians have been the targets of racially motivated attacks near fishing spots in south-central Ontario, Ontario Human Rights Commissioner Barbara Hall said yesterday, as she announced an inquiry into such incidents.

Ms. Hall said the first step will be a toll-free line for victims to report alleged hate crimes.

"Asian Canadians are being targeted. The repeated use of racial slurs and negative terms make it likely that racial stereotyping or hate are at play in communities in Ontario," Ms. Hall said, referring to a total of eight incidents in which fishermen were verbally or physically assaulted. Six of the incidents took place in the town of Georgina on the southern shore of Lake Simcoe.

The commission is already working with the Ontario Provincial Police and its hate crime unit, York Regional Police and several community groups.

Susan Eng, who spoke on behalf of the Reference Group, a community action organization that will be working with the commission, said the inquiry will help to identify hate crimes.

One example of the extent of the problem, she said, was written on a bridge in Hastings County, just outside of Peterborough. The graffiti referred to "nips" and "fish thieves."

"It was snapped on Oct. 25 after a reporter was coming back from a news conference where they had just finished saying: 'Oh this doesn't happen here,' " Ms. Eng said.

"Unless the person shouts a racial slur at you as they're pushing you in the water, it's difficult to prove it," she said, adding the media and politicians have presented the attacks as "isolated incidents that can be explained by poaching - which is the most ludicrous thing I can think of as an excuse for racism."

According to York Regional Police Chief Armand La Barge, "all the victims in these incidents were fishing legally" and "in no way, shape or form does it justify what's been happening in Georgina."

News of an inquiry was welcomed by one Georgina resident who asked not be named for fear of retaliation, and said that after he moved from Toronto he was surprised by the pockets of racism that he encountered.

"As a newcomer, it's embarrassing, as far as I am concerned," he said.

He said he knows the public area at Jackson's Point where fishermen congregate and that, during the day, it is a pleasant sight as black, white and Asian children fish together with their parents looking on.

"But at night," he said, "the local teenagers get in their pickups, and it's Alabama North."

[kultron]

50% of the people I see everyday in Canada are asiatics.

[.wal]

If you are not a member of one of the first nations, chances are that your own relatives pissed off someone in this country, somewhere down the line. We are all offspring of immigrants. My family has been here for 230 years, and that makes me a descendant of immigrants.

There has always been someone to piss on, someone who doesn't behave correctly, someone who talks funny, or doesn't understand our language. But who sets the standards? The guy with the rock salt and the shotgun? The thugs who beat an elderly man and threw his son off a bridge? Assaulting folks is actually against the law in this country.This country that we all seem to be so proud to live in that we can break whatever laws we see fit, because, hell, they broke the law first. That makes two wrongs alright. Right? Nippertipping.....

Well, actually, no. We elect folks to make the laws for us because most of us are so narrow minded that terms like gook and slope get used in civilized company, and we can't seem to find any problem with that. Even though we are headed hell bent into a very uncertain future, the brain trust in some parts of Canada are out to kill Charlie.

I think it goes without saying that if racial slurs are part of your vocabulary, you aren't in a position to rationalize. The slur is the judgement, and most of us can see that. The content therfore is moot. Did you get all that, genius?

If folks are trespassing, call the cops. Have them busted. If folks are fishing illegally, call the conservation officer. They actually work nights, and have boats and stuff. Don't insult all the folks who have stood up and who are standing up for this country. The politicians, volunteers, soldiers and veterans. And the decent folks who understand that it takes a while to fit in, and just because your family has fished for umteen generations at night because they used daylight for the things they needed to see to do, ( you can fish in the dark and still catch fish ) it may take a while to get everyone on the same page.

People don't like change, and that is obvious on both sides of this issue.

[Jake Featherston]

I don't believe many Chinese constitute genuine Canadians, which is to say, if Canada ever faced major economic, military/security, or other crises, they'd tend to just go back to their real home across the Pacific anyway. Same with most of the ones here in California. They only like America to the extent that A) it can provide them with a better material standard of living, and B) they can avoid having to assimilate. They're colonists, not citizens.

[harjit]

I don't believe many Chinese constitute genuine Canadians, which is to say, if Canada ever faced major economic, military/security, or other crises, they'd tend to just go back to their real home across the Pacific anyway. Same with most of the ones here in California. They only like America to the extent that A) it can provide them with a better material standard of living, and B) they can avoid having to assimilate. They're colonists, not citizens.

Re. the second-gen Chinese in Canada, this is false.

It probably is around your neck of the woods too. Ever been on the campus at UC Berkeley? Assimilation City going on there. Stanford too, although there are also a lot of foreign grad students there.

[Felix the Cat]

Why is Canada apparently a more desirable destination for Chinese immigrants than the US?

Something to do with Hong Kong and the Commonwealth?

[Felix the Cat]

Re. the second-gen Chinese in Canada, this is false. If the Chinese are wise they'll keep a foot in both camps: if something bad happens to China they'll be able to bring relatives over to America, and if some crisis hits America they'll be able to go back to China

[harjit]

Re. your first question, I'm not sure why.

It may be the Commonwealth, and also the Canadian government offered various incentives for wealthy immigrants.

If the Chinese are wise they'll keep a foot in both camps: if something bad happens to China they'll be able to bring relatives over to America, and if some crisis hits America they'll be able to go back to China

The second generation kids don't know much about China, and many don't speak the language.

Away from internet right-wing message boards few people seriously think that any real crisis is going to hit America, with the possible exception of another terror hit, and it is certainly not a "real" daily fear.

[Felix the Cat]

Where were you in 1973? Do you remember what triggered the last big economic slump in the US?

[harjit]

Where were you in 1973? Do you remember what triggered the last big economic slump in the US?

Moi? I was in Montreal (and 8 years old).

I think it was the APEC oil shock? Hardly something that made people flee the country.

[Jake Featherston]

Away from internet right-wing message boards few people seriously think that any real crisis is going to hit America, with the possible exception of another terror hit, and it is certainly not a "real" daily fear.

That's not true. Many financial experts are very concerned about the future of the American economy, due to their belief the dollar is set to lose a lot more value than it already has, further ramifications of the housing bubble collapse/sub-prime loan crisis, our enormous trade deficit, and various other factors, some of which I'm not especially well-versed in. The chief accountant of the United States (I forget what his position is called; I believe he may be the highest, non-political appointee to the Treasury Department) has said this country is in dire danger of sliding into a 1930s-syle depression. When top officials in the Treasury Department start talking about the 1930s, the problem is perhaps more serious than just people jabbering on right-wing Internet boards. One of the reason you hear more about this kind of stuff on right-wing Internet boards is because people who gravitate to such boards are generally much better informed than the common man on the street. The dominant press isn't much talking about the structural economic problems the U.S. faces, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Jake Featherston]

It probably is around your neck of the woods too. Ever been on the campus at UC Berkeley? Assimilation City going on there. Stanford too, although there are also a lot of foreign grad students there.

I'm not so sure. A lot of them may conform to social trends (to the extent many of them are also doing the let's-pretend-I'm-Black thing so popular among suburban Whites), but they generally pretend they are Black amongst each other's company ie., most don't seem too inclined to mix with the general population. There are many exceptions, but those exceptions still seem to constitute a numerical minority.

[Jake Featherston]

Why is Canada apparently a more desirable destination for Chinese immigrants than the US?

I think it has a lot to do with the fact they've established two principal Pacific beachheads ie., San Francisco and Vancouver. One of them just so happens to be in Canada. More generous social welfare programs in Canada no doubt play a role as well.

[Sardonica]

@ CC - Canada is a more desirable destination for chinese because they're handed free tax breaks, welfare etc and our government and police turn a blind eye to their gangs stirring up whatever crime and human smuggling operations they choose to run from here. They don't even have to learn to speak English, instead our banks and other businesses start posting signage in chinese and discriminating against non-gook-speaking applicants for jobs.

@ Jake - I heartily agree with your assessment of chinese in Canada being colonists, not citizens. This also applies to all of the other muds being blindly permitted to infest our shores, including those of Harjit's ilk. The moment Canada were threatened by war, economy or whatever, these muds would all vacate like rats deserting a sinking ship, or fleas jumping off of the body of their dying host. Parasites are opportunists, and when the opportunity is gone, so are the freeloaders.

[Felix the Cat]

I think it was the APEC oil shock? Which was triggered by a war in the Middle East - plenty of those around nowadays

Hardly something that made people flee the country. Most international migration is work-motivated. If the jobs disappear, so will the immigrants

[harjit]

@ Jake - I heartily agree with your assessment of chinese in Canada being colonists, not citizens. This also applies to all of the other muds being blindly permitted to infest our shores, including those of Harjit's ilk.

And your ancestors weren't colonists in Canada? :rolleyes:

[Kim Jong Tha Illest]

Away from internet right-wing message boards few people seriously think that any real crisis is going to hit America, with the possible exception of another terror hit, and it is certainly not a "real" daily fear.

Well, consumer confidence and polls on the perceived state of the economy are both at near record lows. I don't believe that 80% of americans post on right-wing message boards.

[Sardonica]

And your ancestors weren't colonists in Canada? :rolleyes:

Actually, my parents emigrated here from Scotland in the early sixties. My father died in 1997 and my mother is retired but still here. It's not like she could afford to move back to Scotland on her pension any time soon.

Wait until the economic ship sinks, and those brown-skinned rats which are able, will be deserting if there are greener pastures elsewhere. My parents aren't able.

[harjit]

Actually, my parents emigrated here from Scotland in the early sixties. My father died in 1997 and my mother is retired but still here. It's not like she could afford to move back to Scotland on her pension any time soon.

Sorry your dad is gone, and your mom doesn't have a ginormous pension. But I'm still not clear as to how they came to Canada for any more "elevated" reasons than my folks, or why one set should be considered colonists and not the other.


Wait until the economic ship sinks, and those brown-skinned rats which are able, will be deserting if there are greener pastures elsewhere. My parents aren't able.

It's not like they wouldn't, if they were able. It sounds that your mom is no different from brown-skinned rats who are unable to leave. So don't give me this talk about differences in loyalty or patriotism between races, if you admit it simply comes down to economic ability to "desert" the ship or not.

And I'm not even going to ask you about the millions upon millions of Europeans throughout history who've "deserted" their homelands in search of a better deal.

[Hakluyt]

She's not necessarily using 'colonist' in an absolutely negative sense, but in a comparative sense with negative implications, i.e. today's immigrants are trying to do what our own colonial ancestors did, and this should be seen to conflict with our interests. She's correct insofar as these migrants generally do not intend to assimilate, but preserve and promote their culture in a new homeland.

[Commander]

This is a strange thread title, how does throwing a Chinese fisherman into the water make one a "patriot"?