OVERWATCH
10-05-2007, 02:06 PM
A few days ago, two former members decided to engage in a campaign of slander directed against the Phora. Its development shall be detailed here.
Let's rewind to the genesis of this matter. On 9-29-07, at shortly after 17:00 EDT, Keystone, responding to this thread regarding a picture donated to an art gallery by Elton John (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29615) , in response to those who faithfully accept the questionable say-so of the police (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=445240&postcount=1), simply states that without seeing the picture in question (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447368&postcount=19), he cannot pass judgement (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447376&postcount=21).
At this point I inform him that if the image is deemed obscene by a court, then merely viewing it is a felony. (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447387&postcount=23)
WFHermans interjects several minutes later, flaming Keystone with the following, falsely and clearly insinuating that he was a pedophile : No, Keystein, you have been explained exactly in the previous posts what this is about. Don't pretend you didn't read those posts just because you want to see a little girl spreading her legs for you. (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447400&postcount=25)
This kicked off the beginnings of a flame war. Keystone sent me a PM, claiming that he was leaving the site due to WFHermans' accusation, and wishing me well.
Returning several hours later, reading my PMs, feeling miffed and fearing that WFHermans, the author of some of the most consistently stupid posts across the forum, may have chased off old Keystone with his incessant trolling, I warned(not banned) him against further accusing anyone of being a pedophile, as he has done in the past, under pain of banishment. (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447492&postcount=34)
In the next act, WFHermans took it upon himself to proclaim bald-faced lies at other fora, and in the Phora's shoutbox, as shown here (http://thephora.net/WTFHermans_shoutbox_antics.jpg):
1) WFHermans creates the slanderously titled thread at stumbleinn.net (http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6822), at 10:06 EDT on 9-30-07, before he was banned from the Phora, which he links to in the s/b (which is how I became aware of it). Note that stumbleinn staff attempted to change the thread title,but without much success. Note also that this was even before I engaged him in conversation in the s/b that morning...
2) WFHermans was not banned from the Phora until precisely 10:36 EDT o 9-30-07, as evidenced by the ACP logs (http://thephora.net/WTFH_ACPlog.jpg).
His banning was then announced (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447884&postcount=802) on the Phora at 10:43 EDT.
WFHermans creates threads with titles like "this (http://thephora.net/WTFHermans_MSF.png)", "this (http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7164)", and "this** (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2021) ", and also posts such as this (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=632368&postcount=5) one, and the list is by no means exhaustive, and will likely continue to grow, as WFHermans who, seemingly unemployed, spends some twenty hours a day posting on various internet fora, much of it slander directed against the Phora.
What is quite telling here is that Fade's "Occidental Dissent", which is supposedly a "highbrow forum", but is, in fact, a forum dedicated primarily to bashing the Phora, tolerates and even promotes this transparent lie. Apparently, Fade is more content to sling mud at the Phora, than he is in running a credible highbrow forum. Fade trumpets from behind his walls ;
When you think about it, this is a logical development. Does 'child pornography' not fall within the boundries of free speech?
No Fade, only someone who has no grasp on freedom of speech would utter something that uninformed. Free speech does not cover, among other things, the exploitation and sexual abuse of children.
Fade continues;
The oddest thing about it all is that, as you know, the 'babe's threads' are not allowed on The Phora, not even in the Lounge. Normal men are not allowed to post photographs of attractive, adult females - and yet, in their so-called 'Highbrow forums' - you are banned for the offense of urging Phora staff members not to allow the distribution of child pornography - a federal crime!
Here it become apparent that Fade was swallowed WFHermans' lies wholesale, for if he had read the original thread (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29615), he would know that not to be anywhere near the case.
However, Fade is not interested in the truth, only polemics.
Fade continues
You are chastised for criticizing an "independent thinker" who only wants to make an "informed judgment" with regards to "it's alleged obscene nature."
It is necessary to question the authorities often in cases like this. Numerous parents, with no history of sexual crime, have been jailed, and their children taken away, for taking photographs of their children in states of undress that are commonly, routinely seen by anyone who has raised a child. However, Fade feels that the questionable say-so of some possibly overzealous police department or prosecutor is good enough.
But God forbid the day that some prosecutor might deem some photographs of "Baby Fade"(if Baby Fade does indeed exist at all) to be "obscene". For now though, he puts his trust in authorities, without any need to inquire, or remain skeptical. Nothing to see here, citizen, move along.
And in the same paragraph;
This is "perfectly understandable" posting photographs of an underage child spreading her legs,
No, posting a photograph of an underage child spreading her legs is not "perfectly understandable"- it is the reluctance to convict someone without reviewing the evidence, that is perfectly understandable. But, if Fade had taken the time to read the original thread, he would have known this.
An on:
whereas it is not "understandable" to post non-obscene photos of adult females in the Lowbrow forum.
Fade is wrong again, as usual. There is a thread for that purpose (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17480) at the Phora.
At face value, it doesn't seem to make sense. Isn't that sort of behavior against The Phora's own rules? What sense does it make to ban you for giving sound and completely warranted legal advice,
Fade again shows his ignorance. The only one who gave anything remotely resembling legal advice against the posting of such material, (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447387&postcount=23) was myself. WTFHermans gave no advice, he only flamed Keystone. (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447400&postcount=25)
Fade continues his freefall down into the miasma that is Planet Fade:
Personally, I think Flak and Stan want to get rid of you because you are one of the few anti-Jew, pro-white posters left on The Phora
We have plenty of pro-white members who post regularly. Akhnaton, il ragno, Starr, Stan, Ebusitanus, shanemac, Ivory Bill, Banjo Billy, Bardamu, Draco, Hawking, Action Alert, Alex, Angler, Arrow Cross, Atlas, Bamse Skjorta Krieger, Barbarroja, Burrhus, Calvin, Cheesypie, Count Sodoku, Dan Dare, delete, Delos, Dr. Gutberlet, Jake Featherston, John A Flynn, Imperialiste, Leifr Ericksson, Leon deGrance, Lt. Bligh, Mentious, Mike, Pracownik Stal, Sardonica, SlagMaster, Sudaev, Synikul, Tricknologist, and myself, are all folks who post regularly at the Phora, and would by just about anyone's definition be 'pro white'.
That, if my counting is accurate, forty-two active pro-white members, each with several hundred to a few thousand posts each, who have all posted to the Phora in the last few days. In contrast, only about thirty three members have visited Fade's "highbrow" forum since the first of September, most of them never posting and having only few hundred posts between all of them.
Fade again:
None of this makes sense if they are just following their rules. Remember, there was a rule against the distribution of personal information at The Phora, which Stan banned Ymir for (a long time poster), but retroactively changed the rules to allow my personal information to be discussed.
There was no rule change. Here, Fade is referring to Potyondi, who was originally invited back to the forum by Fade, posting the details of a "romantic" interlude between Carrigan and Fade, in the shoutbox. Fade witnessed this, and despite being entrusted with administrator privileges, chose not to act against Potyondi's transgression; instead, he elected to instead abuse those same privileges by throwing a destructive tantrum in typical Fade fashion and attemtping to hard-delete all of his posts until another administrator caught him in the act, and removed his powers- but not before approximately four hundred posts by Fade were deleted by himself.
Fade continues:
There is an obvious pattern: the pro-white posters are banned, trolled, harassed, discouraged from posting
That's another Flakey-Fade Falsehood, as evidenced by the long list of pro-white Phora regulars, most of them held in very high esteem by the staff there, which far outstrips the pro-white activity at Accidental Dissent's forum.
(see White Nobility for another recent example);
Yes, let's see the so-called "White Nobility (http://www.thephora.net/forum/search.php?searchid=840511)" as an example. Truly a "highbrow" poster, or at least by Fade's dubious standards. But wait! maybe not:
The swift reaction of the moderators to that thread tells you everything you need to know about The Phora. It was true that you were trolling Petr and that you were warned to stop. (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6920&postcount=14)
Note that several of so-called "White Nobility's" posts were deleted and are not visible to anyone but staff; but they can be reintroduced to further elucidate Fade's nonsense. It doesn't matter though, Fade already contradicted himself by admitting that so-called "White Nobility" was trolling.
Fade drones on:
Some have noticed that the hack attacks have mysteriously stopped. Of course they have.
Of course they have. For one, Fade is no longer present to delete (i.e., "hack") his own forum, and actual countermeasures have been employed to deter authentic crackers/hackers. So, don't expect any "hacks" or successful hacks now that the incompetent, fickle excuse for a "captain" has been ousted and set adrift.
more will be added to this as it develops.
** The original title of this thread has been edited by OCD staff. It can still be viewed above the posts there, however.
Let's rewind to the genesis of this matter. On 9-29-07, at shortly after 17:00 EDT, Keystone, responding to this thread regarding a picture donated to an art gallery by Elton John (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29615) , in response to those who faithfully accept the questionable say-so of the police (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=445240&postcount=1), simply states that without seeing the picture in question (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447368&postcount=19), he cannot pass judgement (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447376&postcount=21).
At this point I inform him that if the image is deemed obscene by a court, then merely viewing it is a felony. (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447387&postcount=23)
WFHermans interjects several minutes later, flaming Keystone with the following, falsely and clearly insinuating that he was a pedophile : No, Keystein, you have been explained exactly in the previous posts what this is about. Don't pretend you didn't read those posts just because you want to see a little girl spreading her legs for you. (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447400&postcount=25)
This kicked off the beginnings of a flame war. Keystone sent me a PM, claiming that he was leaving the site due to WFHermans' accusation, and wishing me well.
Returning several hours later, reading my PMs, feeling miffed and fearing that WFHermans, the author of some of the most consistently stupid posts across the forum, may have chased off old Keystone with his incessant trolling, I warned(not banned) him against further accusing anyone of being a pedophile, as he has done in the past, under pain of banishment. (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447492&postcount=34)
In the next act, WFHermans took it upon himself to proclaim bald-faced lies at other fora, and in the Phora's shoutbox, as shown here (http://thephora.net/WTFHermans_shoutbox_antics.jpg):
1) WFHermans creates the slanderously titled thread at stumbleinn.net (http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6822), at 10:06 EDT on 9-30-07, before he was banned from the Phora, which he links to in the s/b (which is how I became aware of it). Note that stumbleinn staff attempted to change the thread title,but without much success. Note also that this was even before I engaged him in conversation in the s/b that morning...
2) WFHermans was not banned from the Phora until precisely 10:36 EDT o 9-30-07, as evidenced by the ACP logs (http://thephora.net/WTFH_ACPlog.jpg).
His banning was then announced (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447884&postcount=802) on the Phora at 10:43 EDT.
WFHermans creates threads with titles like "this (http://thephora.net/WTFHermans_MSF.png)", "this (http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7164)", and "this** (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2021) ", and also posts such as this (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=632368&postcount=5) one, and the list is by no means exhaustive, and will likely continue to grow, as WFHermans who, seemingly unemployed, spends some twenty hours a day posting on various internet fora, much of it slander directed against the Phora.
What is quite telling here is that Fade's "Occidental Dissent", which is supposedly a "highbrow forum", but is, in fact, a forum dedicated primarily to bashing the Phora, tolerates and even promotes this transparent lie. Apparently, Fade is more content to sling mud at the Phora, than he is in running a credible highbrow forum. Fade trumpets from behind his walls ;
When you think about it, this is a logical development. Does 'child pornography' not fall within the boundries of free speech?
No Fade, only someone who has no grasp on freedom of speech would utter something that uninformed. Free speech does not cover, among other things, the exploitation and sexual abuse of children.
Fade continues;
The oddest thing about it all is that, as you know, the 'babe's threads' are not allowed on The Phora, not even in the Lounge. Normal men are not allowed to post photographs of attractive, adult females - and yet, in their so-called 'Highbrow forums' - you are banned for the offense of urging Phora staff members not to allow the distribution of child pornography - a federal crime!
Here it become apparent that Fade was swallowed WFHermans' lies wholesale, for if he had read the original thread (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29615), he would know that not to be anywhere near the case.
However, Fade is not interested in the truth, only polemics.
Fade continues
You are chastised for criticizing an "independent thinker" who only wants to make an "informed judgment" with regards to "it's alleged obscene nature."
It is necessary to question the authorities often in cases like this. Numerous parents, with no history of sexual crime, have been jailed, and their children taken away, for taking photographs of their children in states of undress that are commonly, routinely seen by anyone who has raised a child. However, Fade feels that the questionable say-so of some possibly overzealous police department or prosecutor is good enough.
But God forbid the day that some prosecutor might deem some photographs of "Baby Fade"(if Baby Fade does indeed exist at all) to be "obscene". For now though, he puts his trust in authorities, without any need to inquire, or remain skeptical. Nothing to see here, citizen, move along.
And in the same paragraph;
This is "perfectly understandable" posting photographs of an underage child spreading her legs,
No, posting a photograph of an underage child spreading her legs is not "perfectly understandable"- it is the reluctance to convict someone without reviewing the evidence, that is perfectly understandable. But, if Fade had taken the time to read the original thread, he would have known this.
An on:
whereas it is not "understandable" to post non-obscene photos of adult females in the Lowbrow forum.
Fade is wrong again, as usual. There is a thread for that purpose (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17480) at the Phora.
At face value, it doesn't seem to make sense. Isn't that sort of behavior against The Phora's own rules? What sense does it make to ban you for giving sound and completely warranted legal advice,
Fade again shows his ignorance. The only one who gave anything remotely resembling legal advice against the posting of such material, (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447387&postcount=23) was myself. WTFHermans gave no advice, he only flamed Keystone. (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=447400&postcount=25)
Fade continues his freefall down into the miasma that is Planet Fade:
Personally, I think Flak and Stan want to get rid of you because you are one of the few anti-Jew, pro-white posters left on The Phora
We have plenty of pro-white members who post regularly. Akhnaton, il ragno, Starr, Stan, Ebusitanus, shanemac, Ivory Bill, Banjo Billy, Bardamu, Draco, Hawking, Action Alert, Alex, Angler, Arrow Cross, Atlas, Bamse Skjorta Krieger, Barbarroja, Burrhus, Calvin, Cheesypie, Count Sodoku, Dan Dare, delete, Delos, Dr. Gutberlet, Jake Featherston, John A Flynn, Imperialiste, Leifr Ericksson, Leon deGrance, Lt. Bligh, Mentious, Mike, Pracownik Stal, Sardonica, SlagMaster, Sudaev, Synikul, Tricknologist, and myself, are all folks who post regularly at the Phora, and would by just about anyone's definition be 'pro white'.
That, if my counting is accurate, forty-two active pro-white members, each with several hundred to a few thousand posts each, who have all posted to the Phora in the last few days. In contrast, only about thirty three members have visited Fade's "highbrow" forum since the first of September, most of them never posting and having only few hundred posts between all of them.
Fade again:
None of this makes sense if they are just following their rules. Remember, there was a rule against the distribution of personal information at The Phora, which Stan banned Ymir for (a long time poster), but retroactively changed the rules to allow my personal information to be discussed.
There was no rule change. Here, Fade is referring to Potyondi, who was originally invited back to the forum by Fade, posting the details of a "romantic" interlude between Carrigan and Fade, in the shoutbox. Fade witnessed this, and despite being entrusted with administrator privileges, chose not to act against Potyondi's transgression; instead, he elected to instead abuse those same privileges by throwing a destructive tantrum in typical Fade fashion and attemtping to hard-delete all of his posts until another administrator caught him in the act, and removed his powers- but not before approximately four hundred posts by Fade were deleted by himself.
Fade continues:
There is an obvious pattern: the pro-white posters are banned, trolled, harassed, discouraged from posting
That's another Flakey-Fade Falsehood, as evidenced by the long list of pro-white Phora regulars, most of them held in very high esteem by the staff there, which far outstrips the pro-white activity at Accidental Dissent's forum.
(see White Nobility for another recent example);
Yes, let's see the so-called "White Nobility (http://www.thephora.net/forum/search.php?searchid=840511)" as an example. Truly a "highbrow" poster, or at least by Fade's dubious standards. But wait! maybe not:
The swift reaction of the moderators to that thread tells you everything you need to know about The Phora. It was true that you were trolling Petr and that you were warned to stop. (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6920&postcount=14)
Note that several of so-called "White Nobility's" posts were deleted and are not visible to anyone but staff; but they can be reintroduced to further elucidate Fade's nonsense. It doesn't matter though, Fade already contradicted himself by admitting that so-called "White Nobility" was trolling.
Fade drones on:
Some have noticed that the hack attacks have mysteriously stopped. Of course they have.
Of course they have. For one, Fade is no longer present to delete (i.e., "hack") his own forum, and actual countermeasures have been employed to deter authentic crackers/hackers. So, don't expect any "hacks" or successful hacks now that the incompetent, fickle excuse for a "captain" has been ousted and set adrift.
more will be added to this as it develops.
** The original title of this thread has been edited by OCD staff. It can still be viewed above the posts there, however.