Domovinski rat

[Niccolo and Donkey]

Meni je jako zanimljivo kako ovaj Srbin vise brini za Hrvatsku nego za Kosovu. I Vojvoda Momcilo Djujic je izjavio da je njemu bilo teze izbugit Kosovo nego "Krajinu".

[Sivi_Sokol]

Postoji razlika izmedju masovnog potjerivanja i masovnog ubijanja.
Zaboravio si navodnike kod protjerivanja. Vidim da si spreman lagat i izmišljat kako bi očuvao obraz Šupkoslavije. Budi barem realan i priznaj si da je cijena u krvi te nakaradne tvorevine bila velika što se tiče Hrvata, Talijana, Njemaca, Srba i ostalih... E, ali onda više ne bi mogao nama kukat o zločinima i "zločinima" u Domovinskom i Drugom svjetskom ratu.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Zaboravio si navodnike kod protjerivanja. Vidim da si spreman lagat i izmišljat kako bi očuvao obraz Šupkoslavije. Budi barem realan i priznaj si da je cijena u krvi te nakaradne tvorevine bila velika što se tiče Hrvata, Talijana, Njemaca, Srba i ostalih... E, ali onda više ne bi mogao nama kukat o zločinima i "zločinima" u Domovinskom i Drugom svjetskom ratu.

Daj mi reci, sta ti uopce brbljas?
Gdje je to cijena u krvi bila velika za Talijane i Njemce?

A domovinski rat je za mene dogovoreni rat, ako nisi znao.
Insceniran da bi se elite sa obe strane obogatile (privatizacija) dok se narod ubija.

[Niccolo and Donkey]

A domovinski rat je za mene dogovoreni rat, ako nisi znao.
Insceniran da bi se elite sa obe strane obogatile (privatizacija) dok se narod ubija.

LOL - that's a funny one.

[Sivi_Sokol]

Daj mi reci, sta ti uopce brbljas?
Gdje je to cijena u krvi bila velika za Talijane i Njemce?

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A gdje je ta cijena u krvi Srba u Domovinskom i Drugom svjetskom ratu?
A što se tiče Domovinskog rata, bez obzira što on jest ili nije bio jer iz različitih kutova se različito doživljava, tipičan "Jugoslaven" si ga sebi tako i objašnjava.

[Niccolo and Donkey]

I don't blame you. The Norval folks didn't knew that at least 70% of the money they invested would end on the bank accounts of former Communists and scum like Gen. Zagorac instead of to be used for buying weapons.

Hey, those are the Jugosloveni...not us in Canada.

Luburic's strategy of a popular national front of Ustashe, Domobrani, and Partizani was still a good one (proven by the fact that we won) but no one imagined that the western powers would end up ditching the anti-communists in favour of the komjunari from the post-MASPOK days. Because of this, the komjunari were able to thieve at will.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Luburic's strategy of a popular national front of Ustashe, Domobrani, and Partizani was still a good one (proven by the fact that we won) but no one imagined that the western powers would end up ditching the anti-communists in favour of the komjunari from the post-MASPOK days. Because of this, the komjunari were able to thieve at will.

Those who led Croatia into independence where those Ex-Communists you mentioned.

Imagine where Croatia would be today if the HOS (neo-ustasas) led by Paraga would had been the regular army instead of ZNG / HV.
I guess Seselj's dream would had come true.

[Niccolo and Donkey]

Those who led Croatia into independence where those Ex-Communists you mentioned.

Again, Luburic's strategy...the only viable one. I would have liked to have seen Manolic hung myself but more important matters came first.

Imagine where Croatia would be today if the HOS (neo-ustasas) led by Paraga would had been the regular army instead of ZNG / HV.
I guess Seselj's dream would had come true.

Agreed. That was the big debate here in Toronto during 1990-1991.....HSP vs. HDZ. HSP had a good 20% chunk of support out here. Gojko Susak's entire extended family supported HSP during this time as well and were upset with him for dealing with Tudjman.

[Jebivjetar]

A domovinski rat je za mene dogovoreni rat, ako nisi znao.
Insceniran da bi se elite sa obe strane obogatile (privatizacija) dok se narod ubija.
Koja mrtva elita? Tajkuni nastali privatizacijom su mahom bili nitko i ništa prije rata.

[Sivi_Sokol]

Imagine where Croatia would be today if the HOS (neo-ustasas) led by Paraga would had been the regular army instead of ZNG / HV.
I guess Seselj's dream would had come true.
Not likely, HOS was very capable for combat and the money spent on it (donations from the abroad) weren't comparable (or so they say) to the donations HDZ was getting. At least it was completely spent for the defence and did not go into the pockets of reformed communists with AIDS complexes.

[Sivi_Sokol]

Again, Luburic's strategy...the only viable one. I would have liked to have seen Manolic hung myself but more important matters came first.
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Manolića je trebalo zaraziti AIDSom i postaviti, kao atrakciju, na glavni zagrebački trg. Govno Jugoslavensko.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Koja mrtva elita? Tajkuni nastali privatizacijom su mahom bili nitko i ništa prije rata.

Sa elitom sam mislio na politicare i njihove obitelji. A ovi koje si spomenuo sigurno ne bi dobili sansu kupiti firme i banke (narodno vlasnistvo!) za 1 DM da nisu imali veze sa prvima.

[Niccolo and Donkey]

Not likely, HOS was very capable for combat and the money spent on it (donations from the abroad) weren't comparable (or so they say) to the donations HDZ was getting. At least it was completely spent for the defence and did not go into the pockets of reformed communists with AIDS complexes.

HOS lacked the heavy weapons that the HV managed to get from the barracks, but the military debate is besides the point: however much you or I liked HOS, a Paraga regime with pix of Pavelic on Sv. Markov Trg would have resulted in Virovitica-Karlovac-Karlobag since the Germans could not have forced our recognition because of the baggage of Ustastvo and its ties to Nazi Germany.

I remember meeting with an uncle of mine in Greenwich, Connecticut back in 1988 for Easter and asking him about Bush the elder. My uncle was a hardcore Reagan fan and a member of the Republican Party. Thinking that he'd say something positive, he surprised me and told me that the Bush family were no good and wouldn't be good for us Croatians. He was right. Unlike Reagan, who attended Croatian festivals and even an April 10th celebration and who was a committed anti-communist, the Bushes were more globalists and this was shown when James Baker III gave Slobo the go-ahead to crush us on June 21, 1991: "Yugoslavia must stay together".

Our guys thought that the temporary arrangement with the communists in SRH would then be followed by a settling of scores with the post-MASPOK communists once independence was won and secured.

No one thought that the West would turn on the nationalists in favour of the communists, but that's what it's like in the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton era.

[Niccolo and Donkey]

Manolića je trebalo zaraziti AIDSom i postaviti, kao atrakciju, na glavni zagrebački trg. Govno Jugoslavensko.

Mesic i Manolic. Ej, sjecam se ja kad je Mesic dosao u Norval 1992 i dao govor. Bilo je bomba...fenomenalno! Bilo nas oko 20 tisuca i svi su bili za njega i njegov govor. "Rasturit cemo Cetnici i zajedno sa Hrvatskim Muslimanima cemo do Drine!" itd.

I znamo sta se poslije desilo.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Manolića je trebalo zaraziti AIDSom i postaviti, kao atrakciju, na glavni zagrebački trg. Govno Jugoslavensko.

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[Slavic Enforcer]

Mesic i Manolic. Ej, sjecam se ja kad je Mesic dosao u Norval 1992 i dao govor. Bilo je bomba...fenomenalno! Bilo nas oko 20 tisuca i svi su bili za njega i njegov govor. "Rasturit cemo Cetnici i zajedno sa Hrvatskim Muslimanima cemo do Drine!" itd.

I znamo sta se poslije desilo.

Da, samo da je on cijelo vrijeme vjerojatno najmanje krao (usporedjeno sa ostalim HDZ vrhom).

[Sivi_Sokol]

HOS lacked the heavy weapons that the HV managed to get from the barracks, but the military debate is besides the point: however much you or I liked HOS, a Paraga regime with pix of Pavelic on Sv. Markov Trg would have resulted in Virovitica-Karlovac-Karlobag since the Germans could not have forced our recognition because of the baggage of Ustastvo and its ties to Nazi Germany.
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Never mind what they lacked, I only commented on the potential as a military force (dedication, fanatism, loyalty). As for political point of view, (don't have much data or knowledge about it) you're probably right. And I don't mind the Croatian communists who work for the interest of Croatia and Croatian people (at least during the war while the world was watching). It's the "Yugoslav" (whatever the FUCK that means) traitors that I dislike.

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