Clip of US soldiers being ambushed in their humvees.

[brigadier Biggles]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=903391194502565184&q=%22Saber+elements+in+firefight%22+playable%3Atrue

what a bunch of idiots.

the gunner seems "too scared" to get on the humvee MG and lay down covering fire, and the discussion at times sounds like BF2 or CS speak.

[zenero]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=903391194502565184&q=%22Saber+elements+in+firefight%22+playable%3AtrueGood video! You can see because of their patches that they were Marines. They did a good job, they werent stressing out, the convoy wasnt dispersing in panic and fleeing to nowhere. They followed standard procuders and maintain their coolness.what a bunch of idiots.Who? The Marines who were actually coordinating or that dumb fucking Nigger chickenshit named Jones? It's a shame that the USMC is getting infested with Mestizo's and Negroes. I knew the Army was fucked-up, but actually having pussies like 'bad mouth nigger' Jones in the Marines is a disgrace. If he manned that 50' Cal, he could've taken more insurgents down, if you noticed the white marine with the M-4 carbine was walking in the open to get the medic through a fireline.

Kurzon may i ask: Why didnt the British fought in Fallujah, Mosul, Hallalbja, Rammalah, Kut, and Sadr city in eastern-Bagdad? It was always us. Why are the Brits always save and sound sitting, smoking, drinking, fucking, and teasing iraqi brats and riding with less-armored vehicles (because of minor-insurgency activity's.)

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what a bunch of idiots.


:rolleyes: ?

Good video though, looks like the shirking black dude's going to have to clean out his shorts when he gets back to base.

[brigadier Biggles]

its a US led war and the British Army is vastly smaller than the Americans.

actually if the British Army were in control of the whole country i suspect cities and towns wouldnt be half destroyed and there be virtual internment all over it supplying all the propaganda the insurgent leaders need.

British soldiers have worn their beret instead of their combat helmet while out on patrol and dont act like that black guy being hostile and unwary towards all Iraqis.

it was only 1 bloke with an RPG in the end there were no other combatants i think.

either way from the clip the soldiers dont seem very "professional" to me with all their yapping and ego releases.

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Any combat veterans here care to comment on their supposed lack of professionalism under fire?

[President Camacho]

Kurzon may i ask: Why didnt the British fought in Fallujah, Mosul, Hallalbja, Rammalah, Kut, and Sadr city in eastern-Bagdad? It was always us. Why are the Brits always save and sound sitting, smoking, drinking, fucking, and teasing iraqi brats and riding with less-armored vehicles (because of minor-insurgency activity's.)
Because they mainly occupied the southeast portion of Iraq, and they kept it under control pretty well.

[brigadier Biggles]

nothing against the US army ive known for a while a vietnam vet who lives in the next road and met a navy SEAL while in San Diego in 2003 but that clip just makes them look inept and poorly trained its a miracle another RPG wasnt fired at the featured humvee and everyone inside killed or injured.

[Felix the Cat]

I don't see much to criticise here

If you can't see who's shooting at you it's usually better to keep your head down and eyes open, rather than just letting rip in random directions

[Excorcism]

I don't see much to criticise here

If you can't see who's shooting at you it's usually better to keep your head down and eyes open, rather than just letting rip in random directions

I agree.

I found it interesting how the soldiers suspect the Iraqi police of acting as informants to the insurgents.

[Felix the Cat]

Kurzon may i ask: Why didnt the British fought in Fallujah, Mosul, Hallalbja, Rammalah, Kut, and Sadr city in eastern-Bagdad? It was always us.
The proper question is why there were no Kurdish, Shi'ite, etc. troops involved in these battles

They speak the language, understand the culture, know the country, and above all hate the Arabs

The answer is that employing such soldiers would run against the democratic/multicultural/multiracial belief system of most Americans

I've complained about this before... the greatest problem the US faces in Iraq is not military but ideological

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The proper question is why there were no Kurdish, Shi'ite, etc. troops involved in these battles

They speak the language, understand the culture, know the country, and above all hate the Arabs

The answer is that employing such soldiers would run against the democratic/multicultural/multiracial belief system of most Americans

I've complained about this before... the greatest problem the US faces in Iraq is not military but ideological

The Shiites in the new Iraqi government have been committing reprisals and 'atrocities' against the Sunnis. Our troops have been spending extra time lately training the new Iraqi forces in an attempt to reduce this.

I don't think most Americans care whether or not what % of any force is Iraqi military spurred by a belief in multicultism, but instead either want our guys to kick the asses of the bad guys, or get out.

Ideeally, it would be best to employ Sunni troops in Sunni regions, Kurdish troops in the north, etc., but the gov. recruitment rate among Sunnis is probably pretty low.

Iraqi troops do often accompany US forces on operations, but it's interesting to see that they might be in low confidence, not unlike the ARVNs were in Viet Nam.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I read somehwere that negro soldiers get specially targeted by the Insurgents because of the humilation they feel from seeing them as occupiers.

[Felix the Cat]

I read somehwere that negro soldiers get specially targeted by the Insurgents because of the humilation they feel from seeing them as occupiers.

From Sept. 2004, 'There is no greater shame than to see your country occupied' (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1302639,00.html)

Early one morning this week, when the police have yet to set up too many checkpoints, Abu Mujahed will strap a mortar underneath a car, drive to a friend's in central Baghdad and bury the weapon in his garden. In the evening he will return with the rest of his group, sleep for a few hours and then take the weapon from its hiding place. He will calculate the range using the American military's own maps and satellite pictures - bought in a bazaar - and fire a few rounds at a military base or the US Embassy or at the Iraqi Prime Minister's office. Then Abu Mujahed will shower, change and, by 10am, be at his desk in one of the major ministries.

Last week he sat in a Baghdad hotel speaking to The Observer. A chubby man in his thirties with a shaven head, a brown sports shirt, slacks and a belt with a cheap fake-branded buckle, he gave a chilling account of his life fighting 'the occupation'. He talked for more than three hours and revealed:

· How his resistance group, comprising self-taught Sunni Muslim Iraqis, is almost completely independent, choosing targets and timings themselves, but occasionally receiving broad strategic directions from a religious 'sheikh' most of them have never met.

· How it is funded by Iraqis in Europe, including the UK, and from wealthy sympathisers in Saudi Arabia.

· How it has rejected any alliance with al-Qaeda affiliated 'foreign fighters' and Shia militia.

· How it receives intelligence from 'friends' within the coalition forces.

· How it runs a counter-intelligence operation that has resulted in the execution of two suspected spies in recent weeks.

· How it is learning increasingly sophisticated techniques and plans to detonate big bombs in Baghdad soon.

He also spoke about the difficulties of continuing security operations against them and admitted that many Iraqis do not support their actions. Much of Abu Mujahed's account is corroborated by various independent sources.

Intelligence experts in Iraq talk of three main types of insurgent. There is the Mahdi Army of Shia Muslims who follow the radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr and have led recent resistance to coalition forces in northern Baghdad, the central shrine city of Najaf, and Basra, the southern port under British control. There is also 'al-Qaeda' - non-Iraqi militants who have come to Iraq to wage jihad. And finally the 'former regime loyalists', who are said to want the return of Saddam Hussein or, if that is impossible, his Baath party.

Abu Mujahed, worryingly for the analysts, fits into none of these easy categories. For a start, he was pro-American before the invasion. 'The only way to breathe under the old regime was to watch American films and listen to their music,' he said. He had been a Bon Jovi fan.

'It gave me a glimpse of a better life. When I heard that the Americans were coming to liberate Iraq I was very happy. I felt that I would be able to live well, travel and have freedom. I wanted to do more sport, get new appliances and a new car and develop my life. I thought the US would come here and our lives would be changed through 180 degrees.'

He spoke of how his faith in the US was shaken when, via a friend's illicitly imported satellite TV system, he saw 'barbaric, savage' pictures of civilian casualties of the fighting and bombing. The next blow came in the conflict's immediate aftermath, as looters ran unchecked through Baghdad.

'When I saw the American soldiers watching and doing nothing as people took everything, I began to suspect the US was not here to help us but to destroy us,' he said.

Abu Mujahed, whose real name is not known by The Observer, said: 'I thought it might be just the chaos of war but it got worse, not better.'

He was not alone and swiftly found that many in the Adhamiya neighbourhood of Baghdad shared his anger and disappointment. The time had come. 'We realised. We had to act.'

Nothing had been planned in advance. There has been speculation, and especially among American officials, that Saddam's henchmen had planned a 'guerrilla war' if defeated. But Abu Mujahed, who described himself as 'a Muslim but not religious', and the others in his group were not working to any plan. Everything they did was improvised. And each of his seven-man group had a different motive: 'One man was fighting for his nation, another for a principle, another for his faith.'

Significantly, his group contains several former soldiers, angry at the controversial demobilisation of the Iraqi military by the coalition last year. Others, like Abu Mujahed, have salaried government jobs. The cell is not part of any broader organisation and does not have a name, he said. 'We are just local people ... There is a sheikh who co-ordinates some of the various groups but I do not know who he is.'

To start with, the group lacked armaments and know-how. 'We made some careful inquiries. Some people gave us weapons, others sold us stuff they had looted,' he said. The group also sought out experts, often former military officers, who gave impromtu tutorials in bomb-making and communications .

The group's first operation - in June last year - was an attempted ambush of three US soldiers in Adhamiya. It was a fiasco. 'We were so confused and scared we opened fire at random,' Abu Mujahed said. 'They took cover and we ran away.'

Their next try was more successful. The lead vehicle of an American military convoy ran over an anti-tank mine the group had laid in a road. 'We think we killed the driver,' he said. 'We found the mine in a house that had been used by the military during the war. The Americans were not expecting that sort of device.'

Over the next months the group varied the tactics. 'One day we try and snipe them, the next we use an IED [Improvised Explosive Device], the next a mine. We never get any orders from anybody. We are just told: "Today you should do something," but it is up to us to decide what and when.'

Black soldiers are a particular target. 'To have Negroes occupying us is a particular humiliation,' Abu Mujahed said, echoing the profound racism prevalent in much of the Middle East. 'Sometimes we aborted a mission because there were no Negroes.'

In contrast to many militants, who have killed hundreds of Iraqis in the last year, Abu Mujahed said his group was careful not to kill locals. 'We are now planning to use bigger bombs in central Baghdad. But it is hard because there are so many civilians.' Support for the militants is far from universal. They are not attracting new recruits and finances are tight, he admitted.

'We used to be able to use banks and bank transfers. Now it is harder,' Abu Mujahed said. 'Often sympathisers buy cars in Saudi Arabia or Jordan and we get them driven to Baghdad or Basra and we sell them. A supporter in the UK has recently sent an Opel pick-up. But most of our money comes from local people who support what we do but can't fight themselves.'

Tactics depend on resources. The price of rocket-propelled grenades has gone up recently as supplies dried up during August's heavy fighting between Americans and the Mahdi Army in Najaf. The missiles now cost 25,000 Iraqi dinars (around £10) in markets in Sadr City, the northern Shia Muslim-dominated area of Baghdad - 10 times the immediate post-war price. The group is restricted to one attack every few days.

There are also spies. He boasted of information from 'friends within the coalition' and said that his group have executed two suspected informers within Adhamiya. One was killed less than three weeks ago, after being under surveillance for a month. 'He had a wife and child but I did not feel bad. He was a fox. He was made to kneel and shot in the head.' Other suspected spies have been threatened and fled Baghdad.

Western intelligence analysts worry that various resistance elements might combine. But Abu Mujahed dismissed the Mahdi Army as 'thugs and traitors who ... welcomed the Americans to Iraq with flowers and then went looting' and said that relations with Islamic militants coming from overseas are worse.

'Some have no allegiance to any group, others have so much money they must come from al-Qaeda. It is impossible to work with them. They are bloody people, far too irrational. They do not care if they kill innocent Iraqi people. They are terrorists.'

Last week US military casualties in Iraq passed the 1,000 mark, most killed since the end of the war by the actions of men like Abu Mujahed. The former engineering student said he does not know how many his group has killed: 'It is impossible to say what has been hit. I could boast of killing maybe 25, but to be honest we don't know,' he said. 'Maybe only five or six.'

'I know the soldiers have no choice about coming here and all have a family and friends,' he added. His justification for the struggle was an inconsistent mix of political and economic grievances and wounded pride: 'We are under occupation. They bomb the mosques, they kill a huge number of people. There is no greater shame than to see your country being occupied.'

He dismissed the interim Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, as 'the Americans' Barbie doll' but then says that if everyone had 'full bellies' no one would fight.

'Iraqis' top priority is to provide a good living for their families. I take home less than 250,000 ID (£100) a month and I have four children. I have to pay the rent, doctor's bills, my wife needs something, my house needs something. And a kilo of chicken costs 2,500 ID.'

'The US or the UK are not my enemy. I know that any individual US or UK citizen is very good, but we will keep fighting the occupying forces. We have no choice.'

And with that he left. The Observer was told not to contact him again.

[zenero]

The proper question is why there were no Kurdish, Shi'ite, etc. troops involved in these battlesThe Kurds have the Turks to worry about. They arent that stupid to send in the Peshmerga, PKK or other Kurdish splintergroups in to the Sunni triangle. The Shi'ite's? They already rule 75% of the country, they got a estimated 10.000 members strong, tough, miltia in service of Ayatolla Al-Sistani. They dont have to worry about the South being invaded by Sunni arabs, and taking in the oil sites.

They speak the language, understand the culture, know the country, and above all hate the ArabsThe Kurdish might hate the Arabs, but the Shi'te is racially the same as a Sunni. It's just the religious/-culture branch that differs both groups.


arabs really do have good reason to fight yet of course they will probally loose just like other indians have lost and soon most their offsprings will be albino arabs with jew bloodI also dont see the Sunni's win this one out. There are 150.000 not yet demoralized troops. Remember, the insurgents are not attacking U.S bases, they dont shoot of helicopters on the Afghani-Stinger style. There still no sing of some Tet-offensive.

[B]Some vids made in Iraq[B]

British convoy under attack (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/british_vehicle_attacked_by_an_improvised_explosive_device_Mar_18_2005.html) U.S Marine survives sniper attack(juba?) (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/us_soldier_survives_sniper_attack_Jul_16_2005.html) Battle for Fallujah part II (http://www.ogrish.com/archives/fallujah_video_captures_battle_in_city_american_side_Nov_15_2004.html)