Peaceful blacks

[Death]

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After skimming through some of these stories it is obvious that everything is the fault of white people.

[Starr]

From the failed cop tip off, story:

He concluded that the murder could have been prevented "if a proportionate police response had been provided to match the threath level that existed."

Who wants to be the first to guess what would have happened if the police would have responded, making arrests or whatever else? Hint: Racism, racial profiling, police brutality! these things, are of course the kiss of death in a society obsessed with racial equality and tolerance.

[Kriger]

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

[MrAngry]

This is all bullshit and bollocks, you have one side stating that crimes against blacks are not reported in comparison to whites, and the other saying the opposite.

Blacks are disproportionately represented regarding crime because they are disproportionately represented regarding poverty.
Blacks under achieve acedemically because they tend to be in poor areas with poor schools.
In fact without going into finite detail, if your transpose whites into similar environments, they tend to be no better or worse.

The only "racism" I can understand is around culture, values and nationhood. I don't view those as racist as they do not allude to one race being superior or inferior to another and does not measure a persons worth based on the colour of their skin.

[MrRS]

This is all bullshit and bollocks, you have one side stating that crimes against blacks are not reported in comparison to whites, and the other saying the opposite.
My own personal experience with the lengths the media and the police will goto to cover up the scale of the Black crime problem is all the evidence i need.

Blacks are disproportionately represented regarding crime because they are disproportionately represented regarding poverty.

Get real Mr.A, Poverty doesn't cause people to turn to crime, people themselves make the descision. A persons upbringing is by far the largest factor and the problem with a great number of Black people is that they have no will better themselves. They are taught from an early age that they cannot possibly ever be successful becasue the world is full of evil racists and no matter how hard a person trys this racist barrier will always come and get them. Blacks feel that they have no hope so do not try. To the rest of us this rightly gives the impression that blacks ( as a racial group ) are mostly lazy.

When employers take on blacks who ARE lazy they obviously have to let them go after a while because it just doesn't make ecnomic sense to employ crap staff, when these fools get sacked they blame racism because it is far easier to blame that, than it is to admit that they, themselves are seriously flawed.

Young blacks grow up hearing this racism rubbish and seeing their relatives losing their jobs, they come to believe that it must be racism because that is what everyone says it is. There is currently a generation of young blacks who now have no intention of trying to get a job, they know that they can make money selling drugs, robbing old ladys and stealing car stereos and the only people who can stop them are the police. A police which to these young blacks are of course racist.

Blacks under achieve acedemically because they tend to be in poor areas with poor schools.

Sorry but on this you are totally wrong, education from schools is only one part in the bigger education picture. Many youths decide not to goto school and insted hang around with the older "cool" kids who are into crime, the younger kids just get caught in the cycle and within a few years the are the older "cool" kids who are into crime.

Education in some schools may be of poor quality, but even in some of the worst schools in the country kids can excell if they have the desire to do so. There is only one skill a person needs to excell academically and that is the ability to read, everyone in the country has access to reading lessons. Once you can read you can educate yourself. We have free librarys here in the UK, anyone can join and borrow books on any subject for free, If the library doesn't have the book you require they can order it in for you either from another library or by purchasing it.

Anyone can do well academically if they are willing to devot time and effort into their own future.

In fact without going into finite detail, if your transpose whites into similar environments, they tend to be no better or worse.
Untrue, whites don't have a chip on their shoulder about racism so the problems are not as endemic, where they exist there is usually some other factor which is blamed instead of a persons own failings.

It is important to remember that it is often the case that a person has failings which cannot be helped, they are not self inflicted but are the result of a persons up bringing.

The only "racism" I can understand is around culture, values and nationhood. I don't view those as racist as they do not allude to one race being superior or inferior to another and does not measure a persons worth based on the colour of their skin.
"racism" is just the modern equivilent of a "get out of jail" card

[Arminius]

Blacks are disproportionately represented regarding crime because they are disproportionately represented regarding poverty.

Specifically referring to African-Americans, I would've thought the fact they are over represented in crime was because they are brought up in a culture that tells them it is cool to be a gangster, and if you get an education and a good job you are a sell out to your "roots". In fact their entire (counter-) culture keeps them more in shackles than poverty, considering how many chances a young black person has to get out of impoverished situations. Some do get out of this culture trap to get a good education, job, and become upstanding members of society. I've seen the differences, and it is mostly a personal choice. My opinion on this matter has been shaped by my personal experience with many blacks in my life (some American and others immigrants), and noticing the differences between the successful ones and the ghetto trash. The former generally looks on the latter with contempt (similar to how whites see "white trash").

[harjit]

Specifically referring to African-Americans, I would've thought the fact they are over represented in crime was because they are brought up in a culture that tells them it is cool to be a gangster, and if you get an education and a good job you are a sell out to your "roots". In fact their entire (counter-) culture keeps them more in shackles than poverty, considering how many chances a young black person has to get out of impoverished situations. Some do get out of this culture trap to get a good education, job, and become upstanding members of society.
If I was in that situation I'm not sure I'd have the strength of will to achieve that.

Given my tendency to disorganization and taking the path of least resistance, I fear I wouldn't be able to. So I can't help but balk at being too judgmental toward them for it.

[Arminius]

If I was in that situation I'm not sure I'd have the strength of will to achieve that.

Given my tendency to disorganization and taking the path of least resistance, I fear I wouldn't be able to. So I can't help but balk at being too judgmental toward them for it.

I doubt this is true of you Harjit, since you recieved education to become a computer programmer (if I remember correctly). I doubt it was the path of least resistance. The easiest thing for me to do with my life would be going into the military. I actually picked a harder choice of getting an education myself; that's despite the fact that I fooled around too much in public school and didn't take it seriously, which in the long run just created more work for myself. Many minorities go into the military because that is a path out; other ways would be education for the smarter ones and sports for the athletic ones. In the end it is a choice.

[calvin]

Blacks are disproportionately represented regarding crime because they are disproportionately represented regarding poverty.
Blacks under achieve acedemically because they tend to be in poor areas with poor schools.
In fact without going into finite detail, if your transpose whites into similar environments, they tend to be no better or worse

There are two types of poverty; poverty caused by a lack of economic opportunity and poverty caused by a lack of the necessary abilities to take advantage of economic opportunities. Because IQ tests indicate that blacks are of lower general intelligence than whites it is obvious that black people are disproportionately affected by the later form of poverty.

[Björn]

sorry mr angry but whites make up almost the entire scope of poverty in the west. How is that despite this blacks still dominate the crime scale. Strange, poverty has such a pervasive effect that even the ones who aren't even poor still find themselves lured to the vice known as criminal activity.

Our police chief in Seattle was shot dead by the people he was trying to protect in the international district. This has nothing at all to do with poverty!

[MrAngry]

My own personal experience with the lengths the media and the police will goto to cover up the scale of the Black crime problem is all the evidence i need.

Get real Mr.A, Poverty doesn't cause people to turn to crime, people themselves make the descision. A persons upbringing is by far the largest factor and the problem with a great number of Black people is that they have no will better themselves. They are taught from an early age that they cannot possibly ever be successful becasue the world is full of evil racists and no matter how hard a person trys this racist barrier will always come and get them. Blacks feel that they have no hope so do not try. To the rest of us this rightly gives the impression that blacks ( as a racial group ) are mostly lazy.

When employers take on blacks who ARE lazy they obviously have to let them go after a while because it just doesn't make ecnomic sense to employ crap staff, when these fools get sacked they blame racism because it is far easier to blame that, than it is to admit that they, themselves are seriously flawed.

Young blacks grow up hearing this racism rubbish and seeing their relatives losing their jobs, they come to believe that it must be racism because that is what everyone says it is. There is currently a generation of young blacks who now have no intention of trying to get a job, they know that they can make money selling drugs, robbing old ladys and stealing car stereos and the only people who can stop them are the police. A police which to these young blacks are of course racist.

Sorry but on this you are totally wrong, education from schools is only one part in the bigger education picture. Many youths decide not to goto school and insted hang around with the older "cool" kids who are into crime, the younger kids just get caught in the cycle and within a few years the are the older "cool" kids who are into crime.

Education in some schools may be of poor quality, but even in some of the worst schools in the country kids can excell if they have the desire to do so. There is only one skill a person needs to excell academically and that is the ability to read, everyone in the country has access to reading lessons. Once you can read you can educate yourself. We have free librarys here in the UK, anyone can join and borrow books on any subject for free, If the library doesn't have the book you require they can order it in for you either from another library or by purchasing it.

Anyone can do well academically if they are willing to devot time and effort into their own future.

Untrue, whites don't have a chip on their shoulder about racism so the problems are not as endemic, where they exist there is usually some other factor which is blamed instead of a persons own failings.

It is important to remember that it is often the case that a person has failings which cannot be helped, they are not self inflicted but are the result of a persons up bringing.

"racism" is just the modern equivilent of a "get out of jail" card


I you transposed black with scousers and racism with victim mentality you pretty much have the same MO.

[MrAngry]

sorry mr angry but whites make up almost the entire scope of poverty in the west. How is that despite this blacks still dominate the crime scale. Strange, poverty has such a pervasive effect that even the ones who aren't even poor still find themselves lured to the vice known as criminal activity.

You're quite correct, whites do in fact cross the entire scope of poverty in the West, however as a proportion of the whole it is relatively low. Blacks as a smaller population and the larger proportion of that group do live in poverty and therefore more prone to crime.


My perception is that a negative culture, an overly PC and tolerant society has added to a victim mentality held generally by blacks and other minority groups.

[calvin]

You're quite correct, whites do in fact cross the entire scope of poverty in the West, however as a proportion of the whole it is relatively low. Blacks as a smaller population and the larger proportion of that group do live in poverty and therefore more prone to crime.

It has obviously never occurred to you that low intelligence is a major cause of low socio-economic performance.

My perception is that a negative culture, an overly PC and tolerant society has added to a victim mentality held generally by blacks and other minority groups

So Europeans have to end their traditions of tolerance because some immigrant minorities cannot thrive under these social conditions?

[MrAngry]

It has obviously never occurred to you that low intelligence is a major cause of low socio-economic performance.

Not really no, if there is a difference then I would guess that it is marginal. I have seen enough successful and intelligent blacks to believe that the perception is not totally the reality.


So Europeans have to end their traditions of tolerance because some immigrant minorities cannot thrive under these social conditions?

No I believe that tolerance is one of the greatest strengths of European tradition. Allowing immigrants to embed their culture values and way of life into the host culture is ok to point, but when it supersedes and is supported at the expense of the host nation, then that should not be tolerated IMO.

[MrRS]

I you transposed black with scousers and racism with victim mentality you pretty much have the same MO.
Bullshit.

"victim mentality" cannot be used as an offensive weapon against other people and groups, "racism" can and regularly is.

[MrAngry]

Bullshit.

"victim mentality" cannot be used as an offensive weapon against other people and groups, "racism" can and regularly is.


It is, seen it first hand, both times I witnessed it the guys got sacked. The media tend to use it more as a throwaway comment and groups like CRE.

[Starr]

Not really no, if there is a difference then I would guess that it is marginal. I have seen enough successful and intelligent blacks to believe that the perception is not totally the reality.

A black person with a subtantially higher IQ who is able to make it in society does not have any bearing whatsoever on whether or not the average black with a much lower IQ can also make it. The fact that there are blacks who have made it and who are successful tends to say this is definitely not a problem that can be blamed solely on racism or even necessarily their poisonous anti achievement culture.

The same kind of thing could be said about a white man with an IQ of 150. He might have what it takes to become almost anything he wants to be. That surely does not mean that any white person can do this. The idea that anyone can be whatever they want to be is extremely bunk. It is a feel good statement. People should be encouraged towards the best of their realistic options. This is what is best for the most productive society possible and also for that person themselves, who can achieve their best possible level of success without wasting time chasing an impossible dream. This might tend to make them bitter. And bitter people tend to blame others for their problems, turning themselves into a victim and very potentially having the mindset that will make it likely they will achieve less than what they are capable of.

[MrAngry]

A black person with a subtantially higher IQ who is able to make it in society does not have any bearing whatsoever on whether or not the average black with a much lower IQ can also make it. The fact that there are blacks who have made it and who are successful tends to say this is definitely not a problem that can be blamed solely on racism or even necessarily their poisonous anti achievement culture.

But doesn't that logic work in reverse too?

[calvin]

To put into terms that you may be able to understand Mr Angry; Black people are on average significantly less intelligent than Europeans, therefore, the black minority will always produce fewer high and middle economic producers than the white population.

Some black people are more intelligent than most white people and some women are taller than most men. Does that mean that there is no average difference in height between men and women?

The cult of victimhood is simply a by-product of the liberal myth of universal human equality. White racism was invented to explain why the egalitarian mythos of the dominant liberal belief system diverged radically from the reality of everyday life.

[Death]

Black people in the US and the rest of the West have it good for the most part and they know it.






http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/0002418/42/

Asians, 10.4 million popuulation, $21,566 average income, life expectancy 84.9 years;
Northland low-income rural whites, 3.6 million population, $17,758 average income, life expectancy 79 years;
Middle Americans, 214 million population, $24,640 average income, life expectancy 77.9 years;
Low-income whites in Appalachia and Mississippi, 16.6 million population, $16,390 average income, life expectancy 75 years;
Western Native American, 1 million, $10,029 average income, life expectancy 72.7 years;
Black middle America, 23.4 million population, $15,412 average income, life expectancy 72.9 years;
Southern, rural, low-income black, 5.8 million population, $10,463 average income, life expectancy 71.2 years; and
High-risk urban black, 7.5 million population, $14,800 average income, life expectancy 71.1 years.



http://geography.about.com/library/cia/blchaiti.htm

Life expectancy at birth: total population: 52.92 years
male: 51.58 years
female: 54.31 years (2005 est.)


http://geography.about.com/library/cia/blczimbabwe.htm

Life expectancy at birth: total population: 39.13 years
male: 40.2 years
female: 38.03 years (2005 est.)

[harjit]

Nice to see peaceful Death here.

Were you banned by Schmusa?

[SlagMaster]

Extract From:

In fact without going into finite detail, if your transpose whites into similar environments, they tend to be no better or worse.

The Irish, Germans, polls, Asians and even the Mexicans have all been subjected to the bottom of the pile at one time in the US.
Ever Race has surpassed the Negroid in social status and none have
had the money, resources and time squandered in a a useless effort
to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

[Starr]

Extract From:

The Irish, Germans, polls, Asians and even the Mexicans have all been subjected to the bottom of the pile at one time in the US.
Ever Race has surpassed the Negroid in social status and none have
had the money, resources and time squandered in a a useless effort
to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.


yes, that about says it all.

[harjit]

Extract From:

The Irish, Germans, polls, Asians and even the Mexicans have all been subjected to the bottom of the pile at one time in the US.
Ever Race has surpassed the Negroid in social status and none have
had the money, resources and time squandered in a a useless effort
to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Peaceful Slag reminds me of peaceful Death. Similar mysterious posting styles. Daisy is another but she seems to be gone now.