Old people lobby

[Kodos]

Here in America they are bitching that they can't figure out their latest entitlment, what should be done about these parasites?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Those old folks chased the commies out and paid for your education you snotnosed little spoiled brat.

[Kodos]

Those old folks chased the commies out and paid for your education you snotnosed little spoiled brat.

The WWII gen I have some sympathy for, I'd just as soon see the baby boomers( other then my parents) turned into fertilizer though.

[zenero]

The WWII gen I have some sympathy for, I'd just as soon see the baby boomers( other then my parents) turned into fertilizer though.Right now I am breathing a big sigh of relief that my grandmother don't live in Germany in the 1930's, although I guess things couldn't have gone any worse than they did, even with your help. Maybe all this energy that you feel right now could be directed to an end less evil? Are you a Police Officer? Not in my town, I hope. Perhaps a former member of the SS?

Those old folks chased the commies out and paid for your education you snotnosed little spoiled brat.Dont forget the Vietnam vets.

[brigadier Biggles]

nothing against OAPs but there are just so many of them because people are living longer lives, its creating an imbalance in the generations, there are more people claiming a pension than contributing in tax to the country, big big problem.

[Starr]

They have already paid enough in so they should be getting something back. It is easy to say they should have been saving for their retirement, but that is not always possible, when you don't have a good deal of money. Their kids should be a little more willing to help them out as well.

[brigadier Biggles]

their kids barely make enough for themselves, debt in Britain is enormous as is tax as are house prices as is the basic cost of living, theres actually a cult name now for sons and daughters who carry on living at home (KIPPERS, google it) because of the costs of moving out, i dont know how it works in the j00SA but it costs a fortune here.

the average pension is nowhere near enough and some struggle to actually survive especially in winter, but its about priorities isnt it, pay more money into the younger generation who work and put money into the treasury or more into the ever increasing tick tocking waiting for death pensioners.

[raven]

These are our elders. They deserve our respect. Unfortunately the baby boom generation is quite large in size while Generation X and Y are smaller in size.

[Starr]

For which they can thank their rejection of the family.

[Sinclair]

Weikel, if you are campaigning against the evil of old people, what will be done to halt the insidious tentacles of women voters? :p

[raven]

For which they can thank their rejection of the family.
At least my folks got it all down. They saved up a lot and they have three kids so they are fine. However much of the other baby boomers have a real problem on their hands. They have much less kids and many (primarily) Gen Xers are likely to abandon them when they are old. Btw what years do the Baby Boom Generation fall under anyway? I always thought it was something like 1945-1960 but on Wikipedia it says 1938-1954 :confused:

[Kodos]

They have already paid enough in so they should be getting something back.

Not on my back when they can't create enough decent entry level jobs in the 1st place, sorry.

[Kodos]

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their kids barely make enough for themselves, debt in Britain is enormous as is tax as are house prices as is the basic cost of living, theres actually a cult name now for sons and daughters who carry on living at home (KIPPERS, google it) because of the costs of moving out, i dont know how it works in the j00SA but it costs a fortune here.

NE US is almost as bad as urban Britain, and same bad job market as Europe...

I wish the Southerners and Westerners would invade the Northeastern US and impose a harsh military occupation.

[brigadier Biggles]

Not on my back when they can't create enough decent entry level jobs in the 1st place, sorry.

in a way i agree, the older generation are all outsourcing British jobs to places like spain, china and india to cut costs while migrants take the jobs here leaving less and less jobs for native Brits to take.

edit - sorry i mean the company execs, managers etc who all tend to be 40+, plus the gov as well who are all OAPs themselves.

[raven]

What is the baby boom range? I have seen 1938-1954 (seems off though), 1945-1960, 1946-1964. What exactly is the period? There is also some debate that the Baby Boom generation should be cut off at 1957 because apparently that was when the U.S birth rates started to drop. However I heard in Canada and the U.K the boom in birth rates continued until the mid-60s. So I guess it depends on the nation as well.

[Anarch]

Those old folks chased the commies out and paid for your education you snotnosed little spoiled brat.

ROFL Chased out the commies did they? Which was precisely why those morons voted in scum like Gough Whitlam (first Australian Prime Minister to betray the working class), outlawed our right to bear arms, opened the gates for our countries to be flooded by third world hordes, etc.?

What exactly do we respect our elders for? For what purpose? Because they are the history, the cumulated knowledge? And look what they did with it! We're trying to live, last I checked, not consecrate tombs of what was, but cast ourselves fowards into the world of what might and could be. Goddamn it if some people would rather have these old folks live happily while we break our backs and can't afford to raise our own children while the apolitical masses bleat like lambs the same slogans that these decaying retards shouted in favour of in the 1960's that are destroying everything that preceeded them and ought to succeed them.

[raven]

ROFL Chased out the commies did they? Which was precisely why those morons voted in scum like Gough Whitlam (first Australian Prime Minister to betray the working class), outlawed our right to bear arms, opened the gates for our countries to be flooded by third world hordes, etc.?

What exactly do we respect our elders for? For what purpose? Because they are the history, the cumulated knowledge? And look what they did with it! We're trying to live, last I checked, not consecrate tombs of what was, but cast ourselves fowards into the world of what might and could be. Goddamn it if some people would rather have these old folks live happily while we break our backs and can't afford to raise our own children while the apolitical masses bleat like lambs the same slogans that these decaying retards shouted in favour of in the 1960's that are destroying everything that preceeded them and ought to succeed them.
Would that mean you would neglect your parents when they are seniors? Or are you speaking about baby boom elders in society generally?

[Kodos]

ROFL Chased out the commies did they? Which was precisely why those morons voted in scum like Gough Whitlam (first Australian Prime Minister to betray the working class), outlawed our right to bear arms, opened the gates for our countries to be flooded by third world hordes, etc.?

What exactly do we respect our elders for? For what purpose? Because they are the history, the cumulated knowledge? And look what they did with it! We're trying to live, last I checked, not consecrate tombs of what was, but cast ourselves fowards into the world of what might and could be. Goddamn it if some people would rather have these old folks live happily while we break our backs and can't afford to raise our own children while the apolitical masses bleat like lambs the same slogans that these decaying retards shouted in favour of in the 1960's that are destroying everything that preceeded them and ought to succeed them.

Great post.

[Anarch]

Would that mean you would neglect your parents when they are seniors? Or are you speaking about baby boom elders in society generally?
My parents have private superannuation, raven. Australia does not have a nationalised pension system.

[Helios Panoptes]

Anarch is right. Our elders are the ones who betrayed their tradition and blew it, leaving the current mess for the next generation.

[Ahknaton]

I find I have more in common ideologically and politically with my grandparents than my parents. In fact, it's when I'm around my grandparents in the absence of my parents that we get "down to business" and have really politically incorrect conversations about race etc. One of my great-aunts has this knack of saying the most outrageously racist comments with a completely dead-pan expression on her face, like the last 50+ years of "social progress" never even happened.

Some baby boomers IMHO have a bossy attitude towards policing PC attitudes around their parents or else dismiss their opinions as "a product of their times" that will die out with the older generation. Before they pass on, I hope that the older generation manages to impart their political and racial wisdom to Gen X & Gen Y, leapfrogging over the Baby Boomers.

[raven]

My parents have private superannuation, raven. Australia does not have a nationalised pension system.
So basically aussies don't have this problem where they would have to provide for the baby boomers right? In Canada it has been hyped to be a big problem and the government seems to think that massive immigration is the solution. :confused:

Btw are the baby boomers the ones responsible for the degradation of the west or perhaps maybe it was an earlier generation? Like think of the 60s free love types. They were baby boomers but someone older had to poison their minds no?

[Starr]

Our elders are the ones who betrayed their tradition and blew it, leaving the current mess for the next generation

I don't think anyone could honestly disagree with that. They are the ones who embraced all of the ideas that are destroying us now.

In Canada it has been hyped to be a big problem and the government seems to think that massive immigration is the solution.

they say the same shit here from time to time. More immigrants seem to be the solution for a few different issues these days. Of course they have to get people to believe that the brown invasion is going to have many benefits for them. And what a good way to do it, convince all of the older farts that without this massive number of new workers, pouring across the border every day, who of course, are "just looking for a better life" there may be no money waiting for them.

[raven]

Pierre Trudeau is not apart of the Baby Boom and he is the central focus of liberal poison in our country. I think its safe to say that Canada mainstreamed "cultural Marxism" and Pierre Trudeau was ultimately responsible. That said the one good thing that came out of Trudeau is that anglos stopped bothering southern euros. :D I remember Sinclair once saying that if it wasn't for non-whites, the anglos would still give a hard time to non-Anglo europeans. :)

[Petr]

Those old folks chased the commies out and paid for your education you snotnosed little spoiled brat.
Yeah - how old are you, Weikel? Somewhow you have always given me a mental image of being some grumbling early-middle-ager, but I might have been wrong.

Perhaps it's because you have always seemed only spiritual middle-ager to me with your unidealistic cynicism.


Petr

[Starr]

Yes, I had thought for some reason too that he was middle aged. Most likely in his 40s.:confused:

[Helios Panoptes]

he is 24 years old.

[Kodos]

Yes, I had thought for some reason too that he was middle aged. Most likely in his 40s.:confused:

Haven't I said I was out of college last year before...

[raven]

he is 24 years old.
So that would make him Generation Y I would believe. So when he grows old and the future generations go, "who gives a shit about those Gen Y geezers! Those idiots fed us the koolaid! Let them wither away and die!" I wonder how he would feel. :D I sure as hell don't want my kids throwing me into a home dammit. :rofl:

[Atlas]

Like think of the 60s free love types. They were baby boomers but someone older had to poison

Around 60's and 70's indeed. That's the moment they started to open the border to our beloved immigrants in Europe. Though I don't know if we can blame the older people as a whole, they are not responsible for the govnt they had.

[Kodos]

So that would make him Generation Y I would believe. So when he grows old and the future generations go, "who gives a shit about those Gen Y geezers! Those idiots fed us the koolaid! Let them wither away and die!" I wonder how he would feel. :D I sure as hell don't want my kids throwing me into a home dammit. :rofl:

If I still have to work or depend on other people for money by then... I will kill myself. No probably much sooner then that...

[Starr]

Haven't I said I was out of college last year before...


You may have i don't remember. I wouldn't have neccessarily thought anything about that anyway since a lot of older people go to college, also. You just have an old man aura around you, otto.:D

[infoterror]

Those old folks chased the commies out and paid for your education you snotnosed little spoiled brat.

...and attacked Germany. Death to the AARP!

[Kodos]

You may have i don't remember. I wouldn't have neccessarily thought anything about that anyway since a lot of older people go to college, also. You just have an old man aura around you, otto.:D

Im quite immature actually but maybe the deep deep cynicism( and in spite of that my struggle to resist the temptation to resort to making a living by truely vile methods, becoming a lawyer, cop, or federal bueracrat... I would hope it never comes to that) makes me seem older.

[raven]

Around 60's and 70's indeed. That's the moment they started to open the border to our beloved immigrants in Europe. Though I don't know if we can blame the older people as a whole, they are not responsible for the govnt they had.
Thats what I was referring to. I wasn't saying it was the seniors of the 60s/70s but the governments/pinko professors/etc. (so as I said there were older people who were involved, it wasn't just a baby boomer thing) at the time are the main culprits. As I said before Pierre Trudeau was VERY responsible for this shit in Canada and he was born almost 30 years before the post-WWII "baby boom".

[Kodos]

...and attacked Germany. Death to the AARP!

The WWII gen I have some sympathy for given their achievements, to those who pissed away their legacy( Silent Geners and Boomers)... none.

[infoterror]

The WWII gen I have some sympathy for given their achievements, to those who pissed away their legacy( Silent Geners and Boomers)... none.

WWII Gen = first generation of widespread Slavic, Italian, Greek and Irish admittance to USA (second Italian migration, as first was localized).

GAS.

[Kodos]

WWII Gen = first generation of widespread Slavic, Italian, Greek and Irish admittance to USA (second Italian migration, as first was localized).

GAS.

LOL the meds and irish started flooding in during the late 1800s.

[raven]

LOL the meds and irish started flooding in during the late 1800s.
damn right. However my ancestors who settled in Massachusetts went back before WWI. :D

[FranzJoseph]

1. Baby Boom: In America, officially, 1947-1964. Possibly should be called the "1957 Club" instead: That is the peak. In that year women in the US had enough babies to equal the then-current population of Australia which I think was (don't quote me) something like 7 million.

2. The US border was opened by corporations (starting with Big Ag) not the government. The government took their bribes as usual but it was business that did the Mexican Reconquest, not the GS types. In this case which "generation" is meaningless, it's The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit against everybody.

3. The Greatest Generation made policy till Clinton, and it was all over by then. US industry, for example, was so hollowed out by 1992 it would have taken the equivalent of TWELVE Manhattan Projects going on CONCURRENTLY just to have the industrial base the US had under Eisenhower. (It would take MORE NOW.)

4. The last US president from "The Greatest Generation" was George Herbert Walker Fucking Bush. He officially started the New World Order -- and he used those exact words. Any talk about which generation started the race to the bottom better start by knowing that.

5. Boomers are likely to have had "career interruptions" (ie, got downsized, had a plant shut out on them, etc) than any other generation. In plain English this means they have worked a lot of goddam years and they will not see anything like a pension till Social Security, which is not enough to live on anywhere Americans live. So they'll just work till they drop. Or should I say we, since the description fits millions of us.

6. FINAL: A Personal Gripe: Am I the only one who thinks identifying oneself by "generation" is a lot of hackneyed shite? When I was a young steelworker I took on the characteristiscs and attitudes of the older sweats in the mills, what the hell, they knew what I needed to know. Why would anyone want to use the accident of your birth cohort, fucking demographics for Pete's sake, to make up a core identity? You are what you do, you are not when you were born.

I worked with lots of WWII guys and they did not, ever, think of themselves as part of this generation or that. I am not saying they were brilliant or even necessarily good, only that they never got snookered about that.

[Geist]

WWII Gen = first generation of widespread Slavic, Italian, Greek and Irish admittance to USA (second Italian migration, as first was localized).

GAS.

WTF? The Irish started heading to America in droves around the time of the famine info, but of course as usual you havent a fucking clue what you talking about.

[Banat]

What exactly do we respect our elders for? For what purpose? etc.

There are four reasons I can think of:

1. Matter of principle: you expect to be respected when you get old, so you do the same.

2. The idea of cosmic justice: "you reap what you sow"; when young you treat your elders the way you expect to be treated by the young when you get old.

3. Nobility of a knight: you deeply respect and sympathise with their loss and don't want to make it worse.

4. Christian reason: you are a Christian and you obey God's commandment "Honour thy father and thy mother, that thou mayst be longlived upon the land which the Lord thy God will give thee."

In my opinion, either of them would do just fine.

If I still have to work or depend on other people for money by then... I will kill myself. No probably much sooner then that...

I can foresee that prior to that you will grow to see things from different angles and realise the mindlessness of those words, and then come to a wisdom of ages: young men are idiots.

[jcs]

1. Matter of principle: you expect to be respected when you get old, so you do the same.

2. The idea of cosmic justice: "you reap what you sow"; when young you treat your elders the way you expect to be treated by the young when you get old.

4. Christian reason: you are a Christian and you obey God's commandment "Honour thy father and thy mother, that thou mayst be longlived upon the land which the Lord thy God will give thee."
1 - motivation by fear.
2 - as 1, but with superstition, too.
4 - "because God said so" is as good of a reason as '...uh... because!' Question: why does God say so? More important question: why the hell is it that most Christians refrain from trying to understand God's reasons for anything?--my guess is that it's just easier to live with inexplicable dogma. Think? Not even 'for myself,' but for thought itself, for the sake of reason and understanding? For God's sake? Naw, itz ezyr tu jus goh 'lon wif tings.

3. Nobility of a knight: you deeply respect and sympathise with their loss and don't want to make it worse.
That works.

[Banat]

1 - motivation by fear.
2 - as 1, but with superstition, too.
4 - "because God said so" is as good of a reason as '...uh... because!'

True. I didn't go into motives, but possible reasons, and I find your analysis correct.

Question: why does God say so? More important question: why the hell is it that most Christians refrain from trying to understand God's reasons for anything?--my guess is that it's just easier to live with inexplicable dogma. Think? Not even 'for myself,' but for thought itself, for the sake of reason and understanding? For God's sake? Naw, itz ezyr tu jus goh 'lon wif tings.

They usually don't (refrain from trying to understand God's reasons), but some people (or I should say most) are incapable of such thing, and in that situation, it's better just to go along with it without asking too many questions - it's a matter of trust. Of course, if you believe that that way is true. After all, Christianity *is* religion, despite the existence of Christian philosophy.

[brigadier Biggles]

putting old people in the armed forces would solve so many problems, it would keep them active, employed, fit and healthy, solve the pensions crisis, and because of their old age the number of combat fatalities in wars would be very very low making the anti war faggots happy.

[Kodos]

putting old people in the armed forces would solve so many problems

Until you had to fight a war...

I see no reason why we can't have them as professional jurors though, I mean with all that Matlock they watch they should definitely be qualified( barring senility).

[Anarch]

So basically aussies don't have this problem where they would have to provide for the baby boomers right? In Canada it has been hyped to be a big problem and the government seems to think that massive immigration is the solution. :confused:

Wrong. We have this problem because those baby boomer idiots decided massive government spending and a loose monetary policy was a good thing, and so we have rising taxes. There was a study done in Melbourne a few years ago, where a local council gutted rates and there was a baby boom because people could afford to have kids. If those idiots hadn't've engaged in their grand social experiments, we'd be a hell of a lot better off. Unlike the United States, I'm fairly sure the dissolution of the White Australia Policy had little to do with the stigma of Nazism, more with a weakness of Australian identity, the idea of 'giving everyone a fair go'. It was stretched to apply to post-WW2 Ukrainian immigrants but politicians drove it as far as they could towards including non-whites such as Vietnamese and Lebanese refugees and baby-boomers kicked in and tipped the scales. The Irish and British working class voted for the Labor Party by default (which up to the 1960's was racialist, nationalist and about as socialist as FDR's Democrats) and the idealists slipped in and hijacked the leadership. We've had about a decade of Liberal (similar to US Republicans) power in Australian federal politics and things are finally getting better (except on the front of immigration).

Btw are the baby boomers the ones responsible for the degradation of the west or perhaps maybe it was an earlier generation? Like think of the 60s free love types. They were baby boomers but someone older had to poison their minds no?

Sure. Communist idealists and big business backing them.

In my opinion, either of them would do just fine.

Let's get this straight: I admire my grandparents generation, my great grandparents generation, and so on and so fourth backwards in time. I respect my parents and the parents of my friends families. That said, on the whole, I have very little respect for baby boomers who've acted like nothing but children with their idealism and playground desire to make experiments of society. Such people should be disenfranchised. If necessary, at gunpoint.

[raven]

Wrong. We have this problem because those baby boomer idiots decided massive government spending and a loose monetary policy was a good thing, and so we have rising taxes. There was a study done in Melbourne a few years ago, where a local council gutted rates and there was a baby boom because people could afford to have kids. If those idiots hadn't've engaged in their grand social experiments, we'd be a hell of a lot better off. Unlike the United States, I'm fairly sure the dissolution of the White Australia Policy had little to do with the stigma of Nazism, more with a weakness of Australian identity, the idea of 'giving everyone a fair go'. It was stretched to apply to post-WW2 Ukrainian immigrants but politicians drove it as far as they could towards including non-whites such as Vietnamese and Lebanese refugees and baby-boomers kicked in and tipped the scales. The Irish and British working class voted for the Labor Party by default (which up to the 1960's was racialist, nationalist and about as socialist as FDR's Democrats) and the idealists slipped in and hijacked the leadership. We've had about a decade of Liberal (similar to US Republicans) power in Australian federal politics and things are finally getting better (except on the front of immigration).
Well at least you don't live in Canada mate. :D We = screwed.


Sure. Communist idealists and big business backing them.
Exactly a minority of people from the older generations (the commies and such, Pierre Trudeau in Canada, etc.) pretty much poisoned the minds of the baby boomers. Thankfully my parents, having been raised in Fascist Portugal, still have their old-school common sense despite also being baby boomers. This common sense is something that baby boomer native-born Canadians (and other westerners) unfortunately seem to lack.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I see no reason why we can't have them as professional jurors though, I mean with all that Matlock they watch they should definitely be qualified( barring senility).

LMFAO :D

good one

[Excorcism]

WWII Gen = first generation of widespread Slavic, Italian, Greek and Irish admittance to USA (second Italian migration, as first was localized).

GAS.

? How about the 1920's?

The xenophobia of the postwar years prompted the first general anti-immigration laws in US history. Previous presidents, regardless of party affiliation, had vetoed general immigration restrictive measures as being un-American, against the tradition of free enterprise and competition. Both the dramatic increase in immigrants from eastern and southern Europe before WWI and the disillusionment with foreign affairs as a result of the war, the US passed restrictive immigration laws in 1921 and 1924. The 1924 law established a quota system whereby only 2% of the ethnic group/nationality in the country according to the 1890 population could be admitted. This intentionally favored western and northern Europeans. Asians were totally excluded. Latin Americans were allowed free immigration, however, for the US was trying to improve its relations with those nations.

http://www.historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=602

[Fade the Butcher]

Here in America they are bitching that they can't figure out their latest entitlment, what should be done about these parasites?The obvious solution is to abolish social security and government subsidized health insurance in order to ensure that our elderly citizens live out their twilight years in sickness and destitute poverty. Why hasn't anyone realized this before?

[Kodos]

The obvious solution is to abolish social security and government subsidized health insurance in order to ensure that our elderly citizens live out their twilight years in sickness and destitute poverty. Why hasn't anyone realized this before?

Fade the only way they can possibly pay for these things is to print so much the US will have Weimar level inflation( and as I said I have some sympathy for the remaining members of the WWII generation... of which there aren't many but less for the Silent Geners and none for the Boomers).

Its generally bs anyway... the elderly are demographically the richest age group in America. Also immigrants get to go on social security as if they paid into it for their whole lives.

[FranzJoseph]

The obvious solution is to abolish social security and government subsidized health insurance in order to ensure that our elderly citizens live out their twilight years in sickness and destitute poverty. Why hasn't anyone realized this before?

Weimer did. They got this back:

15 We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

Did the old Phora not have a discussion on Hitler's 25 demands that became NASDAP's party manifesto? I thought I saw it there somewhere.

[Fade the Butcher]

Weimer did. They got this backI was being sarcastic. :)

[Fade the Butcher]

Fade the only way they can possibly pay for these things is to print so much the US will have Weimar level inflationYou mean social security and government health insurance, right?( and as I said I have some sympathy for the remaining members of the WWII generation... of which there aren't many but less for the Silent Geners and none for the Boomers). I tend to dislike the Boomers on account of their ideas, not their age.Its generally bs anyway... the elderly are demographically the richest age group in America.What is their average yearly income? Also immigrants get to go on social security as if they paid into it for their whole lives.I never said I was a fan of the current system.

[Kodos]

You mean social security and government health insurance, right?

Yes. Subsidized health insurance guarantees high out of pocket medical cost anyway... make people pay out of pocket and costs will plummet.

I tend to dislike the Boomers on account of their ideas, not their age.

Of course.

What is their average yearly income?

They have more assets then other age groups.

I never said I was a fan of the current system.

What is your concrete proposal?

[Anarch]

The obvious solution is to abolish social security and government subsidized health insurance in order to ensure that our elderly citizens live out their twilight years in sickness and destitute poverty. Why hasn't anyone realized this before?

That's nice, Fade. I, like most white American kids, work for my money. Maybe you should ask how they intend on having their own children while having the shit taxed out of them to feed their parents and their grandparents.

Social security is a fraud built up so the government can steal money, spend it, then tax the next generation to feed the old folks. It's all well and good, until there aren't enough kids for both them to multiply and to feed the old folks.

It's kinda simple. Capitalism might be linked to liberal democracy and all sorts of perversions but at least people can get fed...

[raven]

I could not condemn the baby boomers though. That would be like spitting in my parents' face.