Homosexuals and the 10% myth. Homosexuals are only 1-3% of population

[Petr]

http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/two.php


While homosexuals claim they make up 10% of the population, the reality is closer to 1-2%.


A NEWLY RELEASED REPORT from the Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Health Statistics reveals that only 2.3% of the population considers themselves homosexual. The statistics come from a 2002 National Survey of Family Growth and are based on 12,571 interviews with men and women ages 15-44 years of age. (The findings were reported in WorldNetDaily, September 16, 2005).

According to this survey, only 2.3% of the males surveyed considered themselves to be homosexuals; 1.8% considered themselves to be bisexuals. Among men ages 18-44, 92% said they were attracted “only to females” and 3.9% “mostly” to females. Among women, 86% said they were attracted only to males, and 10% “mostly” to males.


Homosexuals Admit 10% Is Wrong

Homosexual activist groups have finally admitted that their claim that 10% of the population is “gay” is false. This admission took place in a Friend of the Court brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on March 26, 2003 in the Lawrence v. Texas, known as the Texas sodomy case. In this case, homosexuals are trying to have the Texas law against sodomy declared unconstitutional by the Court.

In footnote 42 on page 16 of this legal brief, 31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following: “The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. See Laumann, et al, The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994). This amounts to nearly 4 million openly gay men and 2 million women who identify as lesbian.”

Despite this indirect admission that the 10% figure homosexuals have used for more than two decades is wrong, the writers of the brief still continue to lie about the real numbers. The claim that 4 million men and 2 million women are gay is based on multiplying the 2.8% and 1.4% figures by the total number of males and females in the U.S. It is unreasonable to count any of the 60 million Americans who are 14 or younger (including 40 million who are under nine years of age) as “openly gay men and women.” Yet, that is what this brief claims. Even as homosexuals admit they’re wrong about the 10% figure, they apparently still can’t resist lying about their true numbers in our population.

The NHSLS study found that only 0.9% of men and 0.4% of women reported having only same-sexual partners since age 18, a figure that would represent a total of only 1.4 million Americans as homosexual.

The truth is that homosexuals used the bogus 10% figure in order to inflate their numbers and their influence. The 10% Urban Legend has been effectively used by homosexuals to recruit children into the homosexual lifestyle and to lobby for legislation to provide special legal protections for homosexuals. Homosexual groups throughout the United States, however, continue to use this bogus 10% figure because it provides them with political power and legitimacy.


Debunking The Urban Legend

What do scientific surveys and studies show about how many homosexuals actually exist? As long ago as the early 1990s, statistics showed that the 10% was false.

USA Today, in its April 15, 1993 issue published the following statistics from a Planned Parenthood/Alan Guttmacher Institute study:

-- Only 2.3% of males ages 20 to 39 said they had experienced a same-sex relationship in the past decade. Only 1.1% said they were exclusively gay.

-- A 1989 U.S. survey indicated that no more than 6% of adults had any kind of same-sex experience. Less than 1% said they were exclusively gay.

-- A 1992 French study found that only 1.4% of men and 0.4% of women said they had any same-sex contact in the past five years.

-- In 1991, the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) provided data indicating that of the 6% who have ever experienced same-sex relations, the number of currently active homosexuals (at that time) was .06-0.7%. The source for this is: T.W. Smith, Planning Perspectives 23, May/June 1991).

The Wall Street Journal shed more light on the 10% urban legend in its March 31, 1993 issue:

-- A survey conducted by the Minnesota Adolescent Health Survey (1986-86) of public school students indicated that only 0.6% of boys and 0.2% of girls identified themselves "mostly or 100% homosexual"-which is less than one percent!

-- In Canada, a 1988 survey of first-year college students under 25 indicated that 98% were heterosexual; 1% bisexual; and 1% homosexual. (Source: King, et al. Canada, Youth and AIDS Study, Kingston, Ontario: Queen's University.)


Census Figures Show Few Homosexual Households

The Census 2000 figures show that homosexuals exist in far fewer numbers in our population than homosexual activists would have us believe. Homosexuals used these census figures to claim that the number of same-sex households had experienced an explosive growth during the past ten years. This is untrue. According to Census 2000 figures, there are a total of 106,741,426 households in the U.S., only 00.42% of those are unmarried same-sex households. This is less than one percent. Yet activists claimed that these figures showed a surge in same-sex households since 1990. However, the Census Bureau issued a disclaimer saying that 1990 figures and 2000 figures could not be reconciled because of the different ways the questions were asked in 2000. TVC's report, Lies, Homosexuals, and Census Statistics provides more details about this. It is posted on the TVC web site.

Dr. Mark A. Yarhouse and Dr. Stanton L. Jones have dealt with the 10% urban legend in their book, Homosexuality: The Use of Scientific Research in the Church's Moral Debate. They note that the 10% figure originated in the flawed research work of Dr. Alfred Kinsey in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Kinsey's work has been criticized not only for his use of pedophiles to molest children, but his statements about the prevalence of homosexuality in our culture have also been misquoted and distorted. While homosexuals still claim that 10% of the population figure is homosexual, Kinsey never made that claim. According to Yarhouse and Jones, Kinsey actually reported a number of different statistics on prevalence rates. These rates include the following:

-- Ten percent of white males were "more or less" exclusively homosexual during at least a three-year period between the ages of 16 and 55.

-- Fifty percent of males had neither attraction to nor the experience of homosexual behavior.

-- Kinsey also reported that homosexuality among women was about half the rate of males.

The Kinsey statistics as a whole are suspect because he didn't use random samples and drew samples from prison populations and others who self-identified as homosexuals.


Gay Activist Admits The 10% Figure Is Bogus

Bruce Voeller, a gay activist has admitted in his book, Some Uses and Abuses of the Kinsey Scale that the 10% figure was a myth used to promote the homosexual agenda. According To Voeller: ...after years of our educating those who inform the public and make its laws, that concept that 10 percent of the population is gay has become generally accepted as “fact.” ... As with so many pieces of knowledge and myth, repeated telling it made it so…

In short, the 10% urban legend was used by homosexual activists to promote their political and social agenda. They knew it to be false but used it anyway.

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The Homosexual Urban Legend that 10% of the population is homosexual is one of several Urban Legends published on the Traditional Values Coalition web site. Other Homosexual Urban Legends include:

The bogus claim that homosexuality is genetic and unchangeable;
That "homosexual" teens account for 30% of all teen suicides in America;
That there is an epidemic of "hate crimes" against homosexuals;
And that homosexuals are not responsible for a high percentage of child molestations in the U.S.

[Commander]

Nothing new there, the Zionist media monopoly, & which current pet monkey of the Zionists is involved, they never let the truth get in the way.

"The Laramie project" > homo killed tied to fence, this was a dispute between meth addicts, nothing to do with homos, one of the perps was a homo (check ABC News 20/20)

"JENA 6" ghetto niggas beat white kid, demand money sent to them for bling bling, Zionists endorse whole heartedly! :thanks:


"wipe Israel off the map"......... :jew: 100% manufactured nonsense, still pushed to this day

"Weapons of mass destruction".......:nopity:

I won't even get in to the various WW2 fairytales, for 6 million different reasons. :yadayada:

[Petr]

I found essentially the same article here, but with more respectable footnoting:


Homosexual Groups Back Off From "10 Percent" Myth

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IF04A01


Petr

[Petr]

In footnote 42 on page 16 of this legal brief, 31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following: “The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. See Laumann, et al, The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994). This amounts to nearly 4 million openly gay men and 2 million women who identify as lesbian.”

Despite this indirect admission that the 10% figure homosexuals have used for more than two decades is wrong, the writers of the brief still continue to lie about the real numbers. The claim that 4 million men and 2 million women are gay is based on multiplying the 2.8% and 1.4% figures by the total number of males and females in the U.S. It is unreasonable to count any of the 60 million Americans who are 14 or younger (including 40 million who are under nine years of age) as “openly gay men and women.” Yet, that is what this brief claims. Even as homosexuals admit they’re wrong about the 10% figure, they apparently still can’t resist lying about their true numbers in our population.
One should be keenly aware that pro-homosexual lobbyists are capable of telling really brazen whoppers.

For example, take this recent claim by a radical-leftist expert on the history of marriage and an establishment media darling, Stephanie Coontz. From an article published in the Washington Post:

"Banning same-sex marriage would not undo the existence of alternatives to traditional marriage. Five million children are being raised by gay and lesbian couples in this country."

http://stephaniecoontz.com/articles/article12.htm

Amazing claim, considering that according to official homosexual lobbyists themselves (who were under court oath in Texas back in 2003 and thus could not just pass their usual agitprop), there were only 6 million of these creatures in the USA to begin with! Raising five million children my ass! (no pun intended)


As one blogster commented:

"I don't know where Coontz got her figures, but if she's going to claim that Americans spend more than half their lives outside marriage, and that 5 million children have been adopted by gay and lesbian couples, she had better produce some supporting evidence. I certainly find none in the census figures. http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-30.pdf "

http://radio.weblogs.com/0143188/2005/05/02.html


Petr

[Kodos]

Among women, 86% said they were attracted only to males, and 10% “mostly” to males.

25% like to pretend to be attracted to other females when they are drunk enough...

Just being a wiseass agree with the basic premise of the article.

[Starr]

I have never actually heard any kind of claims before that they are 10% of the population. I have heard plenty of people try to hint that there are a lot of closet homosexuals out there and some even try to hint, ridiculously that homosexual tendencies are a lot more common than anyone admits.

No matter what idea they are trying to advance it all comes down to the same basic reasons. They are trying to make themselves out to be a more significant percentage of the population in order to further advance the idea that they are "normal" and yes, as the article says to give them more political power.

[raven]

I heard the claim that it was 8-10%, which is complete bullshit. No way it's that high, even if you include bisexuals.

[Petr]

From an article published in the Washington Post:

"Banning same-sex marriage would not undo the existence of alternatives to traditional marriage. Five million children are being raised by gay and lesbian couples in this country."

http://stephaniecoontz.com/articles/article12.htm
I have studied this claim a bit closer and found it even more preposterous than I first thought. There are basically only two ways "gay" couples could "have" children - either with in-vitro fertilization or through adoption. Remember, the availability of both of these to fags are still heavily contested legally in many parts of the US.

Regarding the former:

"Since its introduction in the United States, assisted reproduction technology has helped allow women to conceive more than a million babies."

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=582

Regarding the latter:

"A total of approximately 125,000 children have been adopted annually in the United States in recent years, a sharp drop since the century-long high point of 175,000 adoptions in 1970. ... Approximately 5 million Americans alive today are adoptees"

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~adoption/topics/adoptionstatistics.htm


What does it tell us about Washington Post's bias and credibility that it allows such whoppers to be printed on its pages?


Petr

[Petr]

Unbelievable. Are fags pathological liars?

- There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976.

- In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have a gay or lesbian parent.

- Between 8 and 10 million children are being raised in a gay and lesbian households.

Latest statistics from the U.S. Census 2000, the National Survey of Family Growth (2002), and the Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System (2004) include:

- An estimated two million GLB people are interested in adopting.

- An estimated 65,500 adopted children are living with a lesbian or gay parent.

- More than 16,000 adopted children are living with lesbian and gay parents in California, the highest number among the states.

- Gay and lesbian parents are raising four percent of all adopted children in the United States.

- Adopted children with same-sex parents are younger and more likely to be foreign born.

SOURCE:

Adoption and Foster Care by Lesbian and Gay Parents in the United States, Author(s): Gary Gates, Lee M.V. Badgett, Jennifer Ehrle Macomber, Kate Chambers of the Urban Institute.
http://adoption.about.com/od/gaylesbian/f/gayparents.htm

Once again, one must be very careful not to gullibly believe every statistic pervert propagandists throw at you.


Petr

[Larrikin]

So just 4% (men) and about 8% (women) or plain said 6% of the population is homosexual/bisexual and the percentage is not exploded since the 40s.

I guess that now the myth that modern (jewish) media, liberals, sexual education and presence of gays in public has somehow "homofied" society and is undermining it, is at last debunkend as utter nonsense

Thanks for bringing this fact to light, Petr.
:)

[Petr]

So just 4% (men) and about 8% (women) or plain said 6% of the population is homosexual/bisexual and the percentage is not exploded since the 40s.
Your math sucks as bad as your logic. Six million (for the sake of argument) would be merely 2 % of the population of the United States.


Petr

[Empress Cheesatine]

I guess that now the myth that modern (jewish) media, liberals, sexual education and presence of gays in public has somehow "homofied" society and is undermining it, is at last debunkend as utter nonsense

The liberal media and education establishment are pushing hard to mainstream and legitimize alternative lifestyles, especially homosexuals. Whether or not they choose to use falsified statistics isn't that relevant. Activists manufacture such nonsense all the time. I would not say that activists want a "homofied" society, just a very socially liberal one where anything goes and outrage is dead except for the politically incorrect. Western society is being force-fed homosexuality and mass-brainwashed to believe that rejecting acceptance of the lifestyle, even on religious grounds, is literally a hate crime.

[Larrikin]

Your math sucks as bad as your logic. Six million (for the sake of argument) would be merely 2 % of the population of the United States.

We are talking about the sexually active population here right? No need to include children and

But 2% is absolutely fine with me, it absolutely demonstrates what I said:
That the "homofying destruction" of society by liberal media, non-Christans and whatever generally blamed by so-called conservatives is nothing but a myth.

Please explain to me where this logic fails, if on the other hand you show that homosexuality is neither wide-spread nor increasing.

[Larrikin]

The liberal media and education establishment are pushing hard to mainstream and legitimize alternative lifestyles, especially homosexuals.

That's absolutely right.
Since homosexuals don't harm anyone it is completely their business if they like it up the ass or not. I wouldn't have it with a man, but neither with a fat woman, but I certainly don't say fatness is immoral, illegal or "against nature".

Western society is being force-fed homosexuality and mass-brainwashed to believe that rejecting acceptance of the lifestyle, even on religious grounds, is literally a hate crime.
I wouldn't call it a hate crime, I just call it stupid.
I don't like Petr's fundamental Christianity any more than he likes "alternative lifestyles", but we both have to live with each others views.
I don't call for outlawing Christianity (and I rarely see anyone who does), so if please all the Christian activist would stop calling for outlawing and demonizing homosexuality (what I see much more frequently), all's fine.

[Starr]

But 2% is absolutely fine with me, it absolutely demonstrates what I said:
That the "homofying destruction" of society by liberal media, non-Christans and whatever generally blamed by so-called conservatives is nothing but a myth.

Please explain to me where this logic fails, if on the other hand you show that homosexuality is neither wide-spread nor increasing.

No, promotion of the homosexual lifestyle is not going to turn straight people into homosexuals(some people believe this, I am not one of them) This, does not, in any way mean, however that the promotion, celebration and normalization of the lifestyle has not been extremely harmful in other very important ways.

As was already said, it is a part of the whole "anything goes" idea, which has had a major hand into turning our society into a sewer of degeneracy and perversion. Its normalization and the attempt to put all lifestyles on an "equal" status also harms the sacredness of the traditional lifestyle. This last thing is very important to understand as we look around at all of the marriages that end in divorce. There are many reasons for this, but the fact that people have been taught to no longer view the traditional one man one woman lifestyle as being any kind of standard in which to shoot for and commit to as something that is above other lifestyles, is a part of the picture.

[calvin]

The "homosexualizing" of Western culture is not, as Larrikin's strawman argument avers, about recruiting heterosexuals to active homosexuality in terms of which gender of human they choose to stick their cock into, it is about seducing generally responsible people into irresponsible, instantaneous self-gratifying behaviour and embracing the worst excesses of consumer culture.

[Don Quixote]

Since homosexuals don't harm anyone it is completely their business if they like it up the ass or not.They are harming themselves.

[Larrikin]

They are harming themselves.
I don't think they see it that way.
And if so, since they are reasonable adults, I don't see any need to tell them not to.

[Dan Dare]

But 2% is absolutely fine with me, it absolutely demonstrates what I said: That the "homofying destruction" of society by liberal media, non-Christans and whatever generally blamed by so-called conservatives is nothing but a myth.


In which Larrikin administers a merciless thrashing to a strawman of his own construction.

[Don Quixote]

I don't think they see it that way.Many do.
And if so, since they are reasonable adults, I don't see any need to tell them not to.That's a pretty heartless attitude.

[Larrikin]

In which Larrikin administers a merciless thrashing to a strawman of his own construction.
Strawman? I don't think so.

You might want to read Dr. Cameron from the FRI on how homosexuality is learned through cultural acceptance or go to various "therapist" website that inform you how to prevent your boy from becoming gay by watching professional wrestling videos (Starr actually found that masterpiece).

If this was true, the liberal stance on homosexuality should have resulted in a increase in homsexuals in the society. This is according to the cited data, not true.

[calvin]

The glamorization of homosexuality to the extent that gays are portrayed as a higher status group than heterosexuals in the media and entertainment industries, homosexualizes our culture by mainstreaming homosexual VALUES, not by by increasing the actual PRACTICE of homosexuality. The promotion of homosexuality helps to create a society that is more selfish, vain, and pleasure seeking, and fosters a concept of social worth that is validated by consumption and display of status purchases. If homosexuality was only about sex, the culture masters wouldn't be remotely interested in it.

[Don Quixote]

I found this article by a former Gay activist (now happily married with three children). Very interesting insights and revelations.
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33571

[Empress Cheesatine]

I have never actually heard any kind of claims before that they are 10% of the population. I have heard plenty of people try to hint that there are a lot of closet homosexuals out there and some even try to hint, ridiculously that homosexual tendencies are a lot more common than anyone admits.

I've heard it quite often. Its used along with the Fruit Fly argument to exhibit the normalcy of ass-banditry. I get the impression that there are a lot of gays who believe the 10% figure and see how few open gays there are around them and conclude that most gays are in the closet/oppressed. In the last few years their movement has come into a massive amount of funding and has gotten its catchwords used regularly in media (homophobe).

[Empress Cheesatine]

The glamorization of homosexuality to the extent that gays are portrayed as a higher status group than heterosexuals in the media and entertainment industries, homosexualizes our culture by mainstreaming homosexual VALUES, not by by increasing the actual PRACTICE of homosexuality. The promotion of homosexuality helps to create a society that is more selfish, vain, and pleasure seeking, and fosters a concept of social worth that is validated by consumption and display of status purchases. If homosexuality was only about sex, the culture masters wouldn't be remotely interested in it.

Its a non-threatening lifestyle to sensitive minority groups (:jew:), so it'll be pushed onto the general public (whitey) with vigor, even if those pushing the lifestyle find it personally repulsive and immoral. Cultural elites of the Marxist mindset generally also value it as one of the tools of undermining bourgeios traditional culture and establishing a social nanny state in which thought and morality are tightly controlled and kept within acceptable boundaries established by the new cultural elite.

[Evil_shah]

I don't understand how anyone can claim that homosexuals do the world no harm.Seeing how gay males tend to have a higher H.I.V. than any other group,is more than one reason to banish them back to their closets.Bisexuals on the other hand are the greatest threat of all.They serve as a bridge between the disease ridden gay community and the soon to follow overtly promiscuous straight.All of this is being paid and advertised by the American :jew: media.Just attempt to talk to the mainstream youth demographic about your negative views of butt pluggers,they will lynch you.

[Starr]

Banishing them back into the closet to the point where they might attempt to live a straight life presents the problem of them possibly spreading the disease even more among the straight population. That is one problem that would have to be looked at. I think the ideal situation with them probably would be for them just to go about their business, but with no special rights(including the "right" to marry) no celebrations and parades. Sex back into the bedroom, so to speak, instead of in everyone's face.

[Greenberg]

I remember in grade 9 my teacher said 10% of people are gay. I laughed out loud, and that might have been when he started hating me even though I did all my homework and scored fine on my tests. It was just SO SILLY that anyone would claim a number that high, even at that age I found it insane.

[Petr]

As I believe that homosexuality has a strong environmental-cultural component, I also believe that the rate of buggery has been quite different in different eras and places. Some times and nations have simply been more morally upright than others, no country is inevitably predestined to have its fixed quota of homos. Such a gay-determinist notion must be opposed - we could be much freer of homosexuality if we only wanted to.

For example, in the Kandahar region of Afghanistan, half of the male population has been engaged in sodomy (out of the 90 % who have been tempted to do so).

(Islamic culture fosters an atmosphere of misogynistic prison-homosexuality)

Regardless, when asked directly, few deny that a significant percentage of men in this region have sex with men and boys. Just ask Mullah Mohammed Ibrahim, a local cleric.

"Ninety percent of men have the desire to commit this sin," the mullah says. "But most are right with God and exercise control. Only 20 to 50% of those who want to do this actually do it."

...

Zafar, the doctor, says that in the community at large the Taliban frightened many men into abstinence. "Under the Taliban, no more than 10% practiced homosexual sex," he says. "But now the government isn't paying attention, so it may go back up to 50%."

But Daud thinks the opposite may happen. If coeducation returns and the dress code for women eases, men will have fewer reasons to seek solace in the beds--or fields or storage rooms--of other men.
http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16425&highlight=ashna

The moral of the story: homosexual behavior can be REDUCED OR INCREASED by changing the environment. (This is perhaps the only area where liberals are fond of promoting genetic determinism). The Greeks became less accepting of pederasty after becoming Christians, for example.


As the de-Christianizing Western culture and environment becomes more and more homo-friendly, sodomy rates are bound to go up as well - people are tempted to "experiment" and to give in to their fleeting physical urges. The claim of commonness of homosexuality thus become a self-fulfilling prophecy - just the goal that these cynical faggot propagandists are seeking for.


Petr

[Bronze Age Pervert]

The gay activists do a bait-and-switch with these statistics, but apparently so do anti-gays. The 10% statistic has long been known to be a lie (Paglia for example pointed this out in the early 90's, and others before her---nothing new). The people who are visibly gay and self-identify as such are actually around 2-3% at most; on the other hand the number of men who have engaged in some type of homosexual activity at some point in their lives is much higher than 10% and I would say approaches a majority. It's probably well over a majority in the case of attractive men. But I don't know if Petr or others here are concerned with a carnal act (which need not involve sodomy) or with the gay identity. What harms our society is not sex between men but, as others have pointed out, the gay agenda and gay identity. Take on one hand a "straight" guy who is effeminate, avoids military service, does not get married, or gets married late and has no children or at most one child; he supports liberalism, the illegal alien invasion, etc., etc., all under the aegis of being "sensitive." He has been thoroughly faggotized and I don't care if he sleeps only with women. On the other hand sleeping with a boy if done discreetly is almost the rule of human history and shouldn't bother anyone except people who have various sexual frustrations and resentments seething within them. Why would you care about that?

[riddlemethis]

Among women, 86% said they were attracted only to males, and 10% “mostly” to males.

25% like to pretend to be attracted to other females when they are drunk enough...

Just being a wiseass agree with the basic premise of the article.Bailey, Rieger, and others published a study in which they measured female sexual arousal. They concluded that women -- whether they identify themselves as homosexual or heterosexual -- have bisexual arousal patterns. That's because the genitals of women participating in the study became aroused when they watched porn, regardless of whether it featured men or women.link (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/511828)

This also debunks the laughable myth that women aren't visually stimulated. In a sense, women are visually stimulated more easily than men, since male, female, or mixed porn will do the trick.

[Petr]

The people who are visibly gay and self-identify as such are actually around 2-3% at most; on the other hand the number of men who have engaged in some type of homosexual activity at some point in their lives is much higher than 10% and I would say approaches a majority. It's probably well over a majority in the case of attractive men.
Oh yeah? What would qualify as "some type of homosexual activity" to you? Are we talking about hugging a male, or anal coitus?

Seems to me you're just repeating "gay" propaganda meme from Kinsey and other frauds.


Petr

[Helios Panoptes]

Oh yeah? What would qualify as "some type of homosexual activity" to you? Are we talking about hugging a male, or anal coitus?

Seems to me you're just repeating "gay" propaganda meme from Kinsey and other frauds.


Petr

What Hyperion said is completely contrary to my personal observations. As such, I need to see strong evidence if I am to be persuaded.

[007]

On the other hand sleeping with a boy if done discreetly is almost the rule of human history and shouldn't bother anyone except people who have various sexual frustrations and resentments seething within them. Why would you care about that?

You can't possibly be serious. Anyone who wishes to protect a child from sexual abuse has "sexual frustrations and resentments seething within them"?

:nuts:

[Petr]

On the other hand sleeping with a boy if done discreetly is almost the rule of human history and shouldn't bother anyone except people who have various sexual frustrations and resentments seething within them. Why would you care about that?
What a hell? I didn't even notice this part earlier!

The newcomer "Hyperion" seems like a fag troll who is using macho-fascist bluster as his cover story. This pretentious Jünger-citer smells fake, a phony from a mile away.


Petr

[Petr]

An update - a new study from Australia:


Australian Study Shows Dramatic Drop in Abortion, Low Proportion of Homosexuals

The study also indicated that an extremely small fraction of the Australian population self-defines as "homosexual." Only .66 percent of women and 1.03 percent of men defined themselves as homosexual. This figure is well below the "statistic" of 10 percent that is often touted by homosexual activists. The extremely low percentage of homosexuals in the population agrees with the findings of other similar studies in Western countries.

Besides those who self-defined as homosexual, another 1.26 percent of women and 1.23 percent of men defined themselves as bi-sexual.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/mar/08031907.html


Petr

[Petr]

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=1325374

Study: U.S. has 4M 'gay' adults; 1.7% of populace

Lisa Leff - Associated Press Writer - 4/7/2011 9:35:00 AM

SAN FRANCISCO - A California demographer has released a best guess of how many homosexual adults are in the U.S.

Gary Gates puts the figure at 4 million adults, representing 1.7 percent of the 18-and-over population. That's much lower than the 3 to 5 percent that has been the conventional wisdom in the last two decades, based on other isolated studies. It's also a fraction of the figure put out by Alfred Kinsey, who said in the 1940s that 10 percent of the men he surveyed were "predominantly homosexual."

Gates has advised the Census Bureau. He's a demographer-in-residence at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy at the University of California, Los Angeles.

He derived his results (http://www2.law.ucla.edu/williamsinstitute/pdf/How-many-people-are-LGBT-Final.pdf) [PDF] from five studies that asked subjects about their sexual orientations.

[Cole]

Good find, Petr. Of course the homos and their huggers would like to try to convince everyone this perversion exists moreso than it really does, hoping to gain acceptance. For a similar example, see the recent story about the "gay caveman" some anthropologists are claiming they've found.

[Hevace Eveeloj]

Of course, there is a much greater proportion in some segments. I'll bet that among male fashion designers, it's probably close to 90%, while among Army Rangers and the like, it is probably close to zero.

[American_Celt]

"While homosexuals claim they make up 10% of the population, the reality is closer to 1-2%."

Obviously the author never visited a necon forum or GOP fundraiser.

[Petr]

Four million adult queers in the U.S. - that would be about the same as the number of adult Jews in U.S. But in spite of their small numbers, both Jews and fags wield disproportionate cultural power, not the least due to their ability for crafty networking.


Petr

[Monty]

Four million adult queers in the U.S. - that would be about the same as the number of adult Jews in U.S. But in spite of their small numbers, both Jews and fags wield disproportionate cultural power, not the least due to their ability for crafty networking.

At least in the USA, the gay lobby looks like a shriller version of the Holocaust industry. Replace gas chambers with AIDS and gentiles with straight people. They hate Christianity, see the bourgeoise as backward and violent, and obsess over group identity.

[Monty]

Four million adult queers in the U.S.

Oh, BTW, there's something like 500,000 Calvinists in the USA.

[Ahknaton]

Gary Gates puts the figure at 4 million adults, representing 1.7 percent of the 18-and-over population. That's much lower than the 3 to 5 percent that has been the conventional wisdom in the last two decades, based on other isolated studies.
If you read the PDF it says that 3.5% of the population are "gay, lesbian or bisexual". That's the 3 to 5 percent as held by "conventional wisdom", not the number of exclusive homosexuals. The reporter is comparing apples to oranges.

It also says that 8% of Americans have had a gay sexual experience and 11% have "at least some" same-sex attraction. I don't see how conventional wisdom is being overturned here.

[Monty]

It also says that 8% of Americans have had a gay sexual experience and 11% have "at least some" same-sex attraction. I don't see how conventional wisdom is being overturned here.

I think they're only counting people who adopt the gay lifestyle, whatever that is.

[Larrikin]

I think they're only counting people who adopt the gay lifestyle, whatever that is.
I reckon giving it to another male qualifies as gay lifestyle for most people. Don't know about Gary Gates.