Chirac threatens nuclear strikes

[Felix the Cat]

A new Chirac doctrine (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2006/01/21/a_new_chirac_doctrine/?p1=MEWell_Pos2)

FRENCH PRESIDENT Jacques Chirac last week expanded the standing definition of France's vital interests and warned leaders of ''regional powers" that they could be targets of French nuclear missiles if they used ''terrorist means against us" or if they were ''to utilize, in one way or another, weapons of mass destruction."

This threat marks a worrisome change in France's nuclear doctrine. It asserts the value, even the necessity, of nuclear weapons as a means to ensure not merely French independence but also ''strategic supplies" such as oil and ''the defense of allied countries."

The innovations of this new Chirac doctrine come at a particularly bad time because they coincide with a looming crisis caused by Iran's apparent pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability in defiance of the International Atomic Energy Agency and negotiators from France, Great Britain, and Germany.

Chirac's explicit message to leaders of Iran's clerical regime -- and to the rulers of North Korea and any other ''regional power" partial to terrorism and avid for nuclear weapons -- was a warning that they could face French nuclear retaliation if they dispatched suicide bombers or dispensers of anthrax to France.

Chirac's implicit message, however, is quite different. Instead of dissuading Iran or North Korea from pursuing nuclear weapons, the French president's valorizing of nuclear missiles as weapons that may be used to punish state sponsors of terrorism, ensure strategic oil supplies, and defend allies can only reinforce the arguments of nuclear hawks in Tehran and Pyongyang.

They will not be distorting his meaning substantially if they take him to be saying that the original purpose of France's nuclear arsenal -- to deter a nuclear superpower such as the Soviet Union from threatening France with nuclear weapons -- is now to be enlarged considerably. More generally, policy makers in Iran and North Korea have now heard the leader of an established nuclear power saying that nuclear weapons enhance a medium-sized nation's security, and that such weapons may actually be used.

Indeed, Chirac justified the deployment of low-yield nuclear missiles and a reduced number of warheads on each missile as measures that will make it easier for France to retaliate against leaders of states that sponsor terrorism. This is not only targeted assassination; it is targeted nuclear assassination.

The rationale for Chirac's revision of French nuclear doctrine -- a doctrine that had been basically constant since first being formulated in 1964 by General Charles de Gaulle, Chirac's idol as a statesman -- appears to combine budgetary politics and a Gaullist conception of French grandeur. With the French budget deficit currently exceeding a European Union limit on the ratio of national deficit to gross domestic product, Chirac has to justify spending more than $3 billion on a French nuclear arsenal that lost its original reason for being.

Chirac has made it harder than ever to hold the line on nuclear nonproliferation.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Are you guys thinking about 'le bombe neutron' being launched from the Effeil Tower too now?

[Starr]

And yet, non-white criminal invaders that live in France who kill and riot must be understood and rewarded.

[Atlas]

If some muslims terrorist decide to blew up Paris and it's near suburbs, it would be a blessing.

Paris si not much diffent from some American cities like LA, Detroit, Chicago.

All you see there, crack-smoking niggers, arabs, indians, chinese, fags, dykes, punk.
The few white there start to leave and go to the greater suburbs and rural white areas far from that city. Tha's the "White Flight" which happened in some major American Cities since decades now.

And yet, non-white criminal invaders that live in France who kill and riot must be understood and rewarded.

That won't last long, something is gonna happen here.
The riots of november in France were just the beginning of something worse that may happen anyday.

[raven]

Atlas approximately how many french people "get it" when it comes to the muslims youth over there? I heard that after the riots a large portion of french people are fed up with them.

[Atlas]

Atlas approximately how many french people "get it" when it comes to the muslims youth over there? I heard that after the riots a large portion of french people are fed up with them.

It has always been. Since the arabs arrrived in the 60's, we started to hate them but they get even worse everyday and anyways, why'd they work after all ? They sell drugs, do robberies, steal car etc... according to the police, some thugs earn 1000 euros every day with their illegal activities, so you see them driving huge BMW, or Mercedes, everyone is pissed. Presidential election in 2007 will be very important for sure. But as I've said, the "White Flight" has began in France. From the main cities to the rural small towns.

[raven]

It has always been. Since the arabs arrrived in the 60's, we started to hate them but they get even worse everyday and anyways, why'd they work after all ? They sell drugs, do robberies, steal car etc... according to the police, some thugs earn 1000 euros every day with their illegal activities, so you see them driving huge BMW, or Mercedes, everyone is pissed. Presidential election in 2007 will be very important for sure. But as I've said, the "White Flight" has began in France. From the main cities to the rural small towns.
Atlas do you see FN's Le Pen as having any chance in winning the upcoming 2007 Presidental Election? They had a great showing in 2002 but then Le Pen got pwned by Chirac in the second round like 82.3% to 17.7% or something. :o I would imagine that even with all this bullshit happening the general french public would not vote in Le Pen in the second round.

Then again, anything can happen. I was actually pleasantly surprised that Le Pen was even able to make it to the run-off in 2002 and that the Danish People's Party was able to win 24/179 seats and come in 3rd in Denmark. The Nationalist movements are making some progress in Europe. Unfortunately the same can't be said about Canada. I wonder if they would even allow a Nationalist group to run here. I would try myself when I am older and have the necessary resources if I wouldn't be black-balled, lose my job and get smeared in the newspapers. :D

[Atlas]

Problem is, Le Pen is 77 years old. So this election is his last chance, but to be quite honest, I don't think he will be elected, unless something really serious happen to France within the two next years like riots, terror-strikes etc, anything that could bring a chaos here.

But if nothing happen (which I highly doubt), people won't vote for him and we will get Sarkozy, or alike.

Anyways, France ain't as bad as you can imagine overseas, just wipe out Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Lille of the map and we are 95% white.

[Excorcism]

Problem is, Le Pen is 77 years old. So this election is his last chance, but to be quite honest, I don't think he will be elected, unless something really serious happen to France within the two next years like riots, terror-strikes etc, anything that could bring a chaos here.

But if nothing happen (which I highly doubt), people won't vote for him and we will get Sarkozy, or alike.

Anyways, France ain't as bad as you can imagine overseas, just wipe out Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Lille of the map and we are 95% white.

wow, I guess the white flight is really in full effect in France. I wonder how much so in Germany.

[raven]

Problem is, Le Pen is 77 years old. So this election is his last chance, but to be quite honest, I don't think he will be elected, unless something really serious happen to France within the two next years like riots, terror-strikes etc, anything that could bring a chaos here.

But if nothing happen (which I highly doubt), people won't vote for him and we will get Sarkozy, or alike.

Anyways, France ain't as bad as you can imagine overseas, just wipe out Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Lille of the map and we are 95% white.
Yeah I'm pretty sure that Le Pen won't win. He got destroyed in the last presidental election and IF he makes it to the second round again he will still get killed.

[Felix the Cat]

Le Pen needs to learn to shut up about WWII

Each time he publicy defends Vichy, or the German occupation of France, he angers and alienates many people who agree with him on the Arab issue

[raven]

Le Pen needs to learn to shut up about WWII

Each time he publicy defends Vichy, or the German occupation of France, he angers and alienates many people who agree with him on the Arab issue
He actually said that? :nono:

[Felix the Cat]

He did it again (http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1389231,00.html) just last year

The reason the BNP has grown so quickly in recent years is that its leaders have learned to stop talking in public about these subjects. The FN needs to do the same

[raven]

He did it again (http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,11882,1389231,00.html) just last year

The reason the BNP has grown so quickly in recent years is that its leaders have learned to stop talking in public about these subjects. The FN needs to do the same
Why the hell did he say that? This guy doesn't know when to shut up does he? If you want to meet certain goals (eg. improve your presidental election prospects, help FN actually win seats in the national assembly which I believe they failed to do, etc.) you have to pretty much zip it on certain subjects. I have no idea why they continue to alienate the french population. In fact personally I can't root for him considering that comment he made. It is absolutely disgusting to say that your people being occupied by a foreign nation is a good thing. Of course the french media is going to smear him as a neo-nazi rather than a French patriot.

And even though the BNP smartened up a lot since the 80s they still get constantly smeared by the BBC and the other media outlets and many times this is due to their past.

[infoterror]

And yet, non-white criminal invaders that live in France who kill and riot must be understood and rewarded.

They're misunderstood, goddamnit. How you fucking Hitlarious bigots cannot see that these poor people run from poverty and diarrhea straight into Europe, and then find intolerance, is beyond me. Imagine being illiterate, disease-ridden, angered to violence, starving and twenty IQ points behind everyone else. How do you think it would feel? You have no damn compassion. Besides, if we fill Europe up with these people, it will resemble Africa and they won't get homesick.

[Petr]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,,1706776,00.html


France secretly upgrades capacity of nuclear arsenal

· Modification increases range of missiles
· Altitude bomb to knock out electronic systems

Kim Willsher in Paris
Friday February 10, 2006
The Guardian


France has secretly modified its nuclear arsenal to increase the strike range and accuracy of its weapons. The move comes weeks after President Jacques Chirac warned that states which threatened the country could face the "ultimate warning" of a nuclear retaliation.

A military source quoted yesterday by the Libération newspaper claimed France had tinkered with its nuclear weapons to improve their strike capability and make this threat more credible.

The source said there had been two major changes: the bombs can now be fired at high altitude to create an "electromagnetic impulsion" to destroy the enemy's computer and communications systems; and the number of nuclear warheads has been reduced to increase the missiles' range and precision.

During his surprise speech, which was made in January, President Chirac said: "The number of nuclear warheads has been reduced in certain of the missiles in our submarines".

Military experts said this was not a step towards disarmament, but a move to improve the performance of the weapons. Until now each submarine carried 16 French-made M45 missiles, each fitted with six nuclear warheads. After being fired, each warhead would separate to hit a different target, in effect giving each submarine 96 nuclear bombs.

In reducing the number of warheads, down to one per missile in some cases, the weapon is lighter and has a longer range. It can also be targeted more accurately.

Libération speculates that while potential targets are "secret", it is clear they include the Middle East or Asia, and that its military contacts suggest the changes are aimed at adding "flexibility" to France's nuclear deterrent.

"These evolutions are aimed at better taking into account the psychology of the enemy," defence minister Michèle Alliot-Marie said after President Chirac's warning in January.

In a speech to MPs, she added: "A potential enemy may think that France, given its principles, might hesitate to use the entire force of its nuclear arsenal against civilian populations.

"Our country has modified its capacity for action and from now on has the possibility to target the control centres of an eventual enemy."

French government sources said the president's speech, given at a nuclear submarine base in Brittany, was not targeted specifically at Iran - despite Tehran's decision to continue its nuclear programme - or at individual terrorist organisations, but at countries that posed a direct threat to France itself.

It is also seen as an attempt to justify the more than €3.5bn (£2.4bn) a year France spends to maintain its estimated 300-350 nuclear weapons more than a decade after the end of the cold war.

"The ultimate warning restores the principle of dissuasion," the military source told Libération. The president is not talking about a choice between an apocalypse or nothing at all."

The paper says according to its information "ultimate warning" could take two new forms.

The most demonstrative would be to fire a relatively weak warhead into a deserted zone far from centres of power and habitation. The more radical option would be to explode a bomb at an extremely high altitude with the aim of creating a brief but enormously strong electromagnetic field which would disable or destroy all non-protected electronic systems in the area.

During the cold war France's "ultimate threat" involved firing nuclear bombs into Soviet military divisions and large cities.