Pool staff bashed as youths riot - Melbourne

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Pool staff bashed as youths riot
By Chris Tinkler
22jan06
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17897112%255E2862,00.html

FOUR swimming pool staff have been beaten in an attack in Melbourne's north.

Stunned witnesses said about 30 youths had punched and kicked staff, including a young woman, on the grass at Oak Park Aquatic Centre about 4pm yesterday.
One witness, Alex, said families had recoiled in horror at the bashings.

"I've never seen anything like it," Alex said.

"I thought, 'Not another Cronulla'.

"There seemed to be dozens of people involved, with most wading into the staff and people trying to help them.

"They all appeared to be Middle-Eastern youths.

"It was very upsetting and scary. There were hysterical children everywhere."

Nicholas Burt, leisure manager at Moreland Council, which runs the pool, said the riot had occurred after a male lifeguard had tried to calm two teenagers arguing on the grass embankment.

Mr Burt said a third youth had butted in and when the lifeguard had escorted him to his belongings, after asking him to leave, a struggle had broken out.

"That's when up to 30 other patrons started to physically attack staff," Mr Burt said.

Three male lifeguards and one female security guard had been set upon by the group.

Mr Burt said that amid "blows to the back of the head and around the face", the staff had been driven into the pool's reception area.

He said the attack had continued until police arrived.

The staff, including one who suffered a smashed cheek, had been taken to hospital for treatment.

Asked how a minor dispute between teens escalated into a riot, Mr Burt said: "I'm not sure what could have sparked it.

"Until we have more information I wouldn't say it was necessarily a culturally or racially motivated attack, but I would not preclude it."

He said security camera footage would be reviewed as part of investigations.

The popular pool and its giant water-slide were shut immediately after the fracas.

Council chief Peter Brown said it was hoped the pool would reopen today.

Police said a youth, 17, had suffered a dislocated shoulder.

[Ahknaton]

"I thought, 'Not another Cronulla'.
How ironic, when I read the headline I thought "Woohoo! This could lead to another Cronulla!"

Seriously, this doesn't surprise me at all. I bet it followed the standard script: darker-skinned youth flagrantly displaying inappropriate behaviour in a public place -> said youth is politely asked to tone it down by hyper-polite staff (most likely walking on eggshells trying to phrase it in the most PC manner possible lest they cause offence and be accused of racism) -> youth reacts violently and aggressively -> things spiral out of control into mayhem -> shortly to be followed by: liberal opinion columnists agonise about how the incident was "understable" given "racial tensions just waiting to explode" and the community needs to confront the racist attitudes that lead to these youth reacting in this way.

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Very interesting indeed....seriously, from where I'm from, this is fucked up. How the hell does this keep happening? It's almost like as if it's within their very nature to just go around and start battles for no reason against white people, a.k.a. the majority. The biggest surprise is why anything isn't being done. Did they catch any of the 30 youths? I wish some parts of that article elaborated more, such as how many at the pool helped the staff, etc.

[raven]

The muslim lebbos are at it again. I had a debate with Diablo about this and he insists that the lebanese are very much "racially pure" (whatever that means) and that the muslim lebbos causing trouble are really negroified Palestinians with Lebanese papers. This is quite obviously false when these kids tell aussie women they are gonna rape em "leb style". Christian lebanese tend to be lighter, more aesthetically pleasing and more Indo-european bioloigically and culturally (which is why the christian lebanese diaspora have no problem assimilating in other nations unlike their islamic counterparts) than the muslim lebanese who are basically the dredges of that society. The muslims of Lebanon historically have made less money, are of lower social status and have constantly had a chip on their shoulder for being the underclass of that nation.

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The muslim lebbos are at it again. I had a debate with Diablo about this and he insists that the lebanese are very much "racially pure" (whatever that means) and that the muslim lebbos causing trouble are really negroified Palestinians with Lebanese papers. This is quite obviously false when these kids tell aussie women they are gonna rape em "leb style". Christian lebanese tend to be lighter, more aesthetically pleasing and more Indo-european bioloigically and culturally (which is why the christian lebanese diaspora have no problem assimilating in other nations unlike their islamic counterparts) than the muslim lebanese who are basically the dredges of that society. The muslims of Lebanon historically have made less money, are of lower social status and have constantly had a chip on their shoulder for being the underclass of that nation.

I'm sure that's true to an extent, but I have muslim lebanese..."cohorts" (not relaly friends but we know each other) and they aren't the violent type. One of them is kind of a drunk and the other just studies all day...of course this is only two lebanese males in a university. I have no idea how the others are, especially those in Australia. I'm guessing a kind of gang-like mentality in Australia.

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http://www.apo.org.au/webboard/results.chtml?filename_num=64604

An interesting read. Speaks on how the biggest problem is the lack of security. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was a member of a party that demanded more security.

[Kodos]

The muslim lebbos are at it again. I had a debate with Diablo about this and he insists that the lebanese are very much "racially pure" (whatever that means) and that the muslim lebbos causing trouble are really negroified Palestinians with Lebanese papers.

For once I have to agree... Leb christians are pretty cool and lighter skinned then most Arabs. It would make sense if these were Palis...

[Anarch]

I'm sure that's true to an extent, but I have muslim lebanese..."cohorts" (not relaly friends but we know each other) and they aren't the violent type. One of them is kind of a drunk and the other just studies all day...of course this is only two lebanese males in a university. I have no idea how the others are, especially those in Australia. I'm guessing a kind of gang-like mentality in Australia.
Exorcism: Lebo's are like niggers, in attitude, behaviour, and fashion and music taste. I think they may even have a shorter fuse.

[Vindex]

Quite frankly, fuck these wogs. And the worthless bastards who make excuses for them. Make them swim back to wog land with a race traitor and jew under each arm.

[leondegrance]

Exorcism: Lebo's are like niggers, in attitude, behaviour, and fashion and music taste. I think they may even have a shorter fuse.

A few years back I went to week-long training class for work. Another man in the class was mid-forties, and half-lebanese. This guy was a total perv and was very disturbing. I thought he probably had a couple of bodies in his basement.

[Starr]

Asked how a minor dispute between teens escalated into a riot, Mr Burt said: "I'm not sure what could have sparked it.

"Until we have more information I wouldn't say it was necessarily a culturally or racially motivated attack, but I would not preclude it."

with everything that has happened recently he is not sure what could have sparked it. LOL.

If this would have been whites attacking some poor defenseless brown turds, they would be certain immediately that it was a racially motivated attack.

[Excorcism]

What's the solution, a police State?

I'm not saying I necessarily back up such a resolution...but perhaps he is right to a degree that there is some lack of security. Now keep in mind I don't live in Australia so I don't have a first-hand look at the police force or the level of security. Yet, I wonder if the entire pool incident would have been adverted if a security guard was there. From the way it seems, or at least how I'm perceiving this, places are going crazy with all of the muslim youths being violent for no particular reason at all. They seem to think that no one has authority over them, almost like as if they don't believe in the law or anyone not carrying a badge having some say of the matter. Keep in mind that this started because a lifeguard tried to break up a fight, and I bet some of the lebs took offense by that. Why? No fucking clue, but if a security guard was at the premises, then the lebs might have thought twice about swinging and punches.

[Ahknaton]

What's the solution, a police State?A racially pure society :D

[Jonathan]

I'm not saying I necessarily back up such a resolution...
And I'm not say that you did either, I just needed to quote the statement :)

but perhaps he is right to a degree that there is some lack of security.
Of course there is a lack of security on behalf of the pool management, and a lack of respect on behalf of the thugs, but at the same time people didn't need much security at pools a few years ago. The problem is the growing fecklessness among youths.

Now keep in mind I don't live in Australia so I don't have a first-hand look at the police force or the level of security. Yet, I wonder if the entire pool incident would have been adverted if a security guard was there.
Well I don't live in Australia either, but at least I can read:
The article mentions one female security person. :p

(OK, Low blow, I'm sorry :o )

From the way it seems, or at least how I'm perceiving this, places are going crazy with all of the muslim youths being violent for no particular reason at all. They seem to think that no one has authority over them, almost like as if they don't believe in the law or anyone not carrying a badge having some say of the matter. Keep in mind that this started because a lifeguard tried to break up a fight, and I bet some of the lebs took offense by that.
The same could be said of Chavs in Britain, and there are plenty of Americans here to fill in the details on certain unwanted youths. I'm not sure of the exact cause.

[Jonathan]

A racially pure society :D
Just for anyone who actually takes that(^) comment seriousy.

It had to be said.

[Ahknaton]

Just for anyone who actually takes that(^) comment seriousy.
It had to be said.
Yeah, it was (pretty obviously I thought) a joke. I don't believe in the notion of racial "purity" - it's not hard science.

However, a more culturally/ethnically homogenous society would go a long way to ensuring social stability. Also, certain ethnic groups are statistically more prone to crime/violence than others, meaningless personal anecdotes notwithstanding.

[Excorcism]

Yeah, it was (pretty obviously I thought) a joke. I don't believe in the notion of racial "purity" - it's not hard science.

However, a more culturally/ethnically homogenous society would go a long way to ensuring social stability. Also, certain ethnic groups are statistically more prone to crime/violence than others, meaningless personal anecdotes notwithstanding.

Perhaps, but there will always be some divide within groups of people, no matter how hard you try to make them homogenous. Let's say if we lived in a French town that had Germans, French, and Middle Easterners and one day every Middle Easterner left. Then it would be down to the Germans and French...then there will be a greater divide between the two than when it was just them and the middle easterners. Now let's say all of the Germans leave...now it's just the French, but then they'll divide themselves even greater now on religious ties than when it was just them and the Germans. First the Buddhists and Muslim French are told to leave. Then it becomes a divide between the Protestants and the Catholics. Let's say the Protestants leave. It will then boil down to who has the greatest faith in their religion and all those who fail to meet a certain expectation will be branded as heretics.

Of course this isn't to say that there aren't such divides before in the very beginning, but I'm saying that they become greater as the divides get fewer. Almost like as is priorities are placed as a whole in terms of what divide is more important for the greater number.

If all of this sounds crazy and too much of a generalization if even logical, keep in mind that it's almost 5:00 a.m. where I'm at and I'm typing this post in the hopes that the paper I have to do on Nietzsche will go away. Yet, knowing my luck, it won't go away.

[OVERWATCH]

I disagree. While it's true that removing social strife completely from a nation is a impossible task, there are some minority groups which have such alien ways/looks, or commit so much crime(or both) that removing them would go a long way to attaining real national harmony. These problem ethnic groups very identifiable.

An alternative to removing said groups, would be forcing assimilation and severely punishing troublemakers of whatever background, which would (also)require "totalitarian" and draconian approaches to government/law enforcement, both of which I endorse.

[Ahknaton]

Perhaps, but there will always be some divide within groups of people, no matter how hard you try to make them homogenous. Let's say if we lived in a French town that had Germans, French, and Middle Easterners and one day every Middle Easterner left. Then it would be down to the Germans and French...then there will be a greater divide between the two than when it was just them and the middle easterners. Now let's say all of the Germans leave...now it's just the French, but then they'll divide themselves even greater now on religious ties than when it was just them and the Germans. First the Buddhists and Muslim French are told to leave. Then it becomes a divide between the Protestants and the Catholics. Let's say the Protestants leave. It will then boil down to who has the greatest faith in their religion and all those who fail to meet a certain expectation will be branded as heretics.
This assumes that by removing certain elements from society (which I don't advocate btw, I simply don't want any further immigration) that the situation is left essentially unchanged, since the old divisions will be replaced by new ones. If this were the case, we should empirically expect to see that the crime-rate/amount-of-social-unrest before mass non-European immigration to Australia was just as high as it is now, since according to your theory the current tensions between Muslims and "Anglo" Australians just replaced other divisions that preceded Muslim immigration, and will re-emerge if all Muslims were hypothetically kicked out of the country.

Since that ISN'T the case, there's a major hole in your theory.

I believe that there is an optimum "Goldilocks" level of diversity in society. I don't want to live in a country comprised exclusively of my immediate ethnic kinsfolk. A small infusion of cultural/ethnic diversity introduces new perspectives and genetic potential that prevents social stagnation and makes for a more varied and interesting cultural life. Too much diversity and things go downhill because it becomes impossible to maintain a cohesive national identity and society fractures into bickering groups, each promoting it's own tribal interests above the whole. IMHO, we are well past the sweet spot, and we should have NO MORE non-European immigration from now on (except perhaps some highly-skilled Asians). For all it's failings, the notion of a "White" (i.e. European) country is a good compromise between a narrow, exclusive ethnic identity and a broader civilisational identity, that's still restrictive enough to guarantee some kind of commonality of values.

[Excorcism]

Perhaps.

It's only a generalization that may possibly apply to only one or two societies, if that. Nothing is in black or white. For instance, your case on applying crime-rates on ethnic lines, while I simply had it assumed in my example that each of the three ethnicities in my model were of equal caliber and law-abiding civilians and differed mainly in culture and possibly language.

I am an advocate on immigration laws, but I'm not exactly clear what they are in Europe (excluding Russia) and Australia. I know in the U.S. we have at least some restriction and riots are committed in heavy tension areas such as Detroit or Los Angeles. It may be true that there can be too much of diversity, especially if one of the minorities is massive in size and doesn't assimilate to the culture (ex. the lebs in australia).

[Jonathan]

Yeah, it was (pretty obviously I thought) a joke.
I know, but certain people . . .:p

If this were the case, we should empirically expect to see that the crime-rate/amount-of-social-unrest before mass non-European immigration to Australia was just as high as it is now
While I agree with your overall point on cohesive social-ethnic groups, I feel it needs to be pointed out that there are reasons for relatively low crime rates in pre-[contemporary]immigrant Australia, including more religious observance, more respect, less of a culture of violence, more fortitude etc etc.

But in general I agree with your point on ethnic groups.

@Excorcism:
Put a piece of paper, and a pen, outside your door, and in the morning, God will have written your paper for you - it was in an episode of Father Ted ;)

[Excorcism]

@Excorcism:
Put a piece of paper, and a pen, outside your door, and in the morning, God will have written your paper for you - it was in an episode of Father Ted ;)

Does God by any chance have an email address? I have to send it in electronically, lol.:p