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Anarch
01-23-2006, 02:38 PM
What philosophical problems have you been confronted with, and in being confronted, have spurred you on to read and form your own concepts/outlook on the world?

Several key problems for me:

1) Group behaviour vs individual behaviour, generalisations.
2) Determinism and the will.
3) 'Subjective' knowledge and determinism.
4) The agent-structure problem of sociology.
5) Subjective power vs objective power (i.e. Foucault's 'Power').
6) Identity vs flux.
7) Relation between memory, the percieving 'I', the thinking 'I', and personal identity.

The solutions I came up with.

1) Group behaviour vs individual behaviour, generalisations.

This problem largely evolved out of being confronted with the argument 'generalisations are incorrect therefore immoral' during English class when I was fifteen. I spent quite some time thinking this one over. The intermediate conclusion was the retort that 'generalisations work', the longer term conclusion was that generalisations fail for the same reasons that both laws in both the political and scientific realms fail: because they refuse to admit the possibility of human decision to recast the laws, to solve exceptions, and so fall prey to the inevitability of factors which were not taken into account at the time of the formation of these laws.

2) Determinism and the will.

Chaos theory interested me the moment I read about it on a Red Alert 2 forum in an argument with a guy from Idaho. Chaos theory basically states that if time were frozen, and all data on every possible factor were known, as were the laws which govern motion, human behaviour, etc., it would be possible to predict not only the future, but determine the past. My problem with this was that I read a bit about Schopenhauer when I was fifteen from a book on the history of philosophy, and I'd come to like his idea of the will as a sort of generative principle of human motivation/action, like water pressure that went in certain directions if it was channeled in certain ways. However, Schopenhauer seemed to select the human agent as the basic starting point where he pulled the rest of his philosophy from, and this seemed incompatible with objective determinism, in which humans are basically wind up toys that bump into things fairly predictably. My solution is that the concept of 'will' is invented to cover up the fact we're ignorant of all the factors which determine concrete examples of human behaviour (e.g. why I prefer to drink LA Ice over Coca Cola). The concept of the will, like the concept of the ego (as in, cogito ergo sum) is a fiction, of sorts. An epistemological necessity, but a metaphysical fraud.

3) Determinism and subjective knowledge.

The concept of determinism began to spook me in another way, too. Namely, the idea that if human mental processes are determined, and not free flowing (I'd rejected free will when I was 14), then it follows that human knowledge, too, is determined, which begs the question that if our knowledge is predetermined, then our understanding of natural laws is predetermined, and somehow it all got iffy from there on. I'd thought long and hard and come to the conclusion that if human consciousness is governed by what I term 'axiomatic' knowledge, (e.g. causality, identity, action) which permit the understanding of the world (Kant's crap, for the uninformed). What is fed into sense perceptions are traces of the world of becoming (flux, change, whatever you want to call it). Fade, I think, rejected the idea that the world is becoming by appealing to Alasdair MacIntyre's idea that there is stuff in the world, simply because we play with the stuff, throw some parts of the world at each other, eat some parts, wipe our arses with other parts, etc. :p However underneath this world of becoming (which is what we percieve - though human perception and the world of becoming connect together via axiomatic knowledge) I put the world we will never 'know' - the 'real world' (not angels and devils, but of objects that move around by cause and effect, pure determinism). It's unknowable because A) we infer the physical laws of the universe, given certain knowledge (knowledge being the synthesised product of axiomatic and pure empirical (i.e. flux) sense-data) information, B) we do not know all the various concrete factors (see chaos theory and weather prediction), and C) if our concepts finally do reach the real world, well, we'll never know if we get there. We might know it, but we'll never know we know it.

4) The agent-structure problem of sociology, and 5) Subjective power vs Objective power (i.e. Foucault's 'Power').

Around the time Fade started discussing Foucault, I immediately saw a few holes in it - namely, the problem of human action with relation to power-knowledge. I resolved this problem in favour of something that may or may not be similar to St Mike's favourite variety of sociology, 'symbolic interactionism' (which, btw, Mike, I never did get around to reading up on). It connected with my idea of chaos theory as a metaphysical truth. I'd already done away with the concept of free will and I turned to my cross between selfish gene theory and the will to power as an understanding of human nature so I could make sense of human action, and then with Carl Schmitt's decisionism the rest followed. Humans have some scope (or rather - humans are the mechanics by which communal identity changes) to re-form the identities they've inherited from their forefathers and intend on passing down to their children, but humans are social animals and something has to be inherited.

6) Identity vs. Flux.

This problem was resolved via my split of epistemology into pure empirical and axiomatics.

7) Relation between memory, the percieving 'I', the thinking 'I', and personal identity.

Something I had issue with against Descartes and his 'cogito ergo sum' rubbish, and something that became particularly pronounced when I was reading Stirner's The Ego and Its Own a few months ago. If I think, thefore I am, my am must preceed my thinking, but my thinking defines my being, therefore...? My solution to this problem came with splitting up and doing away with the idea of a unified 'ego'. There is a witnessing 'I', the site of experience: structuring this is axiomatic knowledge, and perceptions (thought being a perception too - you are conscious of your own thinking) are fed straight into memory. Elements of one's memory, combined with the thought-out hierarchy of goals (or goods) serve to produce a personal identity which is indeed liable to change.

Leif
01-23-2006, 06:07 PM
2) Determinism and the will.

Chaos theory interested me the moment I read about it on a Red Alert 2 forum in an argument with a guy from Idaho. Chaos theory basically states that if time were frozen, and all data on every possible factor were known, as were the laws which govern motion, human behaviour, etc., it would be possible to predict not only the future, but determine the past. My problem with this was that I read a bit about Schopenhauer when I was fifteen from a book on the history of philosophy, and I'd come to like his idea of the will as a sort of generative principle of human motivation/action, like water pressure that went in certain directions if it was channeled in certain ways. However, Schopenhauer seemed to select the human agent as the basic starting point where he pulled the rest of his philosophy from, and this seemed incompatible with objective determinism, in which humans are basically wind up toys that bump into things fairly predictably. My solution is that the concept of 'will' is invented to cover up the fact we're ignorant of all the factors which determine concrete examples of human behaviour (e.g. why I prefer to drink LA Ice over Coca Cola). The concept of the will, like the concept of the ego (as in, cogito ergo sum) is a fiction, of sorts. An epistemological necessity, but a metaphysical fraud.

Yes! Free will is an illusion created by ignorance of causes. It is, for practical purposes, impossible to find all causes, therefore people assume we have some unproven "will." However, if one examines something continually, specifically, deeper and deeper, one will find no end to the amount of causes that contribute to an action or decision. It does not take much thought to draw the conclusion that every action is ultimately the result of infinite causes.

Helios Panoptes
01-23-2006, 07:44 PM
Yes! Free will is an illusion created by ignorance of causes. It is, for practical purposes, impossible to find all causes, therefore people assume we have some unproven "will." However, if one examines something continually, specifically, deeper and deeper, one will find no end to the amount of causes that contribute to an action or decision. It does not take much thought to draw the conclusion that every action is ultimately the result of infinite causes.

Chaos(dynamic instability, as Poincare called it) theorists call this sensitivity to initial conditions. In common speech, it is the "butterfly effect."

edit: Anarch's post mentions chaos theory. I didn't have time to read it. :o

jcs
01-24-2006, 04:05 AM
What philosophical problems have you been confronted with, and in being confronted, have spurred you on to read and form your own concepts/outlook on the world?
Something I've contemplated before, but sort of had an epiphany about now...
For my ethics class, I have the splendid privelage of reading Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl. It's about the Holocaust!--and it's a poorly written look at the effects of a concentration camp on one's mind.
But, despite the general worthlessness of the work, a few passages reminded me of some old thoughts and questions.
Why do we value in the first place? Why search for meaning at all?--why give meaning to things at all?

When one makes abstractions about life, one either says something universal about all things in life--and thus doesn't really say much at all--or one draws distinctions between things in life and simplifies for the sake of understanding. Simplifications are ultimately useless, because they cannot describe everything and will be adjusted a thousand times, and we all know this on some level (though some might be in denial, while others might just think they haven't formulated the perfect hypothesis yet).
So I'll simplify, and you'll excuse me for it.

In life, man encounters only two things that have affect him deeply: horror and beauty. Horror is all things violent, all things terrifying, all things psychologically damaging--those things man avoids. Beauty is all things wonderful, all things sublime, all things that bring about a state of 'rapture' or awe--those things man desires. Horror is not merely pain: it is torment and despair. Beauty is not merely pleasure: it is joy and happiness.

What defines the horrible? What defines the beautiful? What is it that gives man an aversion to the former and affinity for the latter?
The answer is found in man's psychology, which is the product of personal experience and hormone levels (the latter, really, only insofar as the former is dependent thereupon). Basically, this all comes down to mental associations.
[should be explored further]

Returning to the original question: why do we search for (or give) meaning at all?
With beauty, the answer is pretty straightforward: beauty brings about happiness, and happiness is the aim we all give to our lives. (Some just fail to pursue that which would make them 'truly happy'; others who pursue the right thing are often failures. Happiness is not guaranteed.) Beauty is that which one encounters in the world that one thinks of positively--how could this not be (subjectively) meaningful?
It is with horror that the concept of meaning gets interesting. Frankl talked about the love he felt for his wife while in the concentration camps, and how beautiful the sky appeared despite all his suffering, and how important friendship was under these harsh conditions, and the finding of God somewhere behind barbed wire--he talked about what was needed to keep him from completely breaking down, what diversions and consolations were required to save him from collapse. Such consolations, such meaning is necessitated by harsh conditions, and without this meaning, one cannot possibly survive. Often times in nature, one confronts horror, and it is desperation which demands that one find a way to stay alive. I don't think man is the dominant species because he is the most intelligent--I think it's because he can create the most ingenious meaning with his desperation.
The most desperate amongst us can survive anything.

Anarch
01-24-2006, 04:20 AM
I did some thinking last night on Talk Philosophy on the subject of happiness, and I came to a relatively solid conclusion regarding what I believe is Alasdair MacIntyre's mistaken understanding of a contradiction between Nietzsche and Aristotle.

'Happiness is a side effect of living successfully, a product of living one's life well - which means, self-enhancement. 'Satisfaction', as in, 'here I am, I'm all set, I'll just sit down and be content' does not happen, because we're always working towards something - whether it's paying taxes, finishing a book, enjoying some good music, performing well in sex, winning a game of pool, getting to work, beating an opponent in a fight, whatever. Happiness is not the completion of these things. From victory in these things, we derive joy, the fuel of life. Happiness is a 'state of mind', as Aristotle put it, the knowledge that one's life is functioning well.' Virtue is IMO essential to functioning well, and the knowledge that one is functioning well is happiness.

Fade the Butcher
01-24-2006, 04:56 AM
What philosophical problems have you been confronted with, and in being confronted, have spurred you on to read and form your own concepts/outlook on the world?Liberalism. I have always hated this philosophy and all that it stands for. My hatred of liberalism was intuitive at first, but my rejection of it later became systematic and total. I didn't become interested in philosophy until liberalism aroused my ire. People are always accusing me of having waffled from ideology to ideology, as the wind blows, like some kind of tumbleweed. This isn't true. My philosophical development began as a reaction to liberalism and has always been concerned with addressing and responding to its claims. My explorations of various anti-liberal philosophies over the years is only explicable in light of this underlying aim.

In this quest, I have encountered various philosophical problems: objectivism/subjectivism, individualism/collectivism, rights/duties, the limits of property rights, nihilism, the nature of the good life, historicism, the proper structure of government, relativism, the nature of justice, conventionalism/naturalism and so on. I have given these matters much thought and consideration over the years and have had different answers to them at different times. I am still concerned with responding to them in a systematic way within an anti-liberal framework. This is an ongoing project. The most profound philosophical thought I have yet encountered is the point made by Socrates that awareness of our own ignorance and limitations is what drives us to seek knowledge.