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Starr
01-25-2006, 11:00 AM
Ok, so this is not the most important topic, but since it is the lounge it does fit.:D

I just heard a story in the news about some people who went through quite a bit of hassle to save a dog that was drowning. I always like these kind of stories since I am especially fond of cat, dogs, and lots of other fluffy animals. And the other side of that is when I hear about someone who hurt an animal I can feel in the mood to kick some ass for days. A girly thing, maybe.

The question simply is you see a dog,cat,etc drowning or in some other type of threatening situation and you are late for work or some other type of engagement. Would you take time out to do something?

I personally know people who are of the mindset of it is just an animal, who really cares.

Jonathan
01-25-2006, 11:16 AM
It would depend on what kind of dog it was.

I certainly wouldn't save a cat.

Ahknaton
01-25-2006, 11:16 AM
Depends on the animal really.

I'd save a cat or a dog, but not a drowning elephant. Where would I keep it?

P.S. Whoever heard of a drowning dog? All dogs can swim.

Ahknaton
01-25-2006, 11:24 AM
It would depend on what kind of dog it was.

I certainly wouldn't save a cat.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/Stormfronter/guiness.jpg

Jimbo Gomez
01-25-2006, 11:59 AM
I would if it woldn't injure me or mess up my clothes. (the rescue that is, not just the animal)

leondegrance
01-25-2006, 12:22 PM
P.S. Whoever heard of a drowning dog? All dogs can swim.

Cats can swim, too. Even though they hate water.

Anarch
01-25-2006, 12:35 PM
It would depend on what kind of dog it was.

I certainly wouldn't save a cat.

I might save a cat. Simply because cat cadavers tend to smell horribly for weeks on end.

@ Starr: I'm fairly sure that's a girl thing, getting pissed off for days. I suppose I shan't tell you about what a pack of chinks did to a cat with a firecracker a few years ago down here :(

sugartits
01-25-2006, 03:39 PM
I would save an animal, but not risk my own life to do so. I'd probably shout for some nearby man to do that. :p

I have read two stories in my local paper this winter about people who have tried to save dogs that were drowning in the icy river. One was successful and the other was not. These two women just couldn't pull the dog out of the ice...it was not safe for them to walk right up to him and grab him, they would have fallen in themselves. They tried to use a stick to get him out, the dog was smart enough to bite onto it but couldn't keep his grip.

When a dog is in that situation it is understandable...a person that walks on only partially frozen water is an idiot.

Excorcism
01-25-2006, 04:11 PM
I would save an animal, but not risk my own life to do so. I'd probably shout for some nearby man to do that. :p


I feel the same way. I'd generally try to rescue any animal who needed help, but I would at least call for assistance, and depending on the urgency of the situation, I would try to save the animal (such as if the animal is drowning).

Billy Score
01-25-2006, 04:20 PM
I am extremely protective of most animals and even got into a physical fight with a 7th grade teacher while trying to save a mesquite bug. Even worms and mosquitos get saved, nothing sickens me more than people who take advantage of the innocence of an animal, regardless of its type.

Carlos Danger
01-25-2006, 04:26 PM
Surely a Socialist would regard concern for animals as bourgeois sentimentality?

Billy Score
01-25-2006, 05:57 PM
Surely a Socialist would regard concern for animals as bourgeois sentimentality?
any man who derives pleasure from harming an animal is a perverse warped individual by any standards. I can't see why standards of sanity cease when one advocates a less profit driven economic system.

Carlos Danger
01-25-2006, 06:12 PM
I like dogs and would prefer to see one saved from such a death if possible

However, drowning animals are usually terrified, and will viciously bite and scratch anything that comes near them, so some sort of net or rope would be essential

Gleb
01-25-2006, 06:47 PM
When I was a kid an old man came up to our yard with a puppy in one hand and a plastic bag in another and said that he was gonna drown the puppy (apparently it was his dog's and he didn't want to keep it) if one of us kids didn't take it. I was so upset that I began crying and persuaded my parents to adopt it, it has been living happily with us (now with them) ever since, but of course turned out to be a head-ache only for my parents. So I can actually say that I saved a dog from drowning :) .

Sinclair
01-25-2006, 09:01 PM
I'd try to save the animal, yes. Or at least I hope I would.

The Retard
01-25-2006, 09:15 PM
P.S. Whoever heard of a drowning dog? All dogs can swim.

This usually happens in the winter, dogs get confused and can't get on shore. Metallica wrote a song about it.

Kodos
01-25-2006, 09:24 PM
The question simply is you see a dog,cat,etc drowning or in some other type of threatening situation and you are late for work or some other type of engagement. Would you take time out to do something?

Dog generally yes... unless it was very important. A cat generally no...

Hermetic
01-25-2006, 09:46 PM
Yes mostly likey I would, when it is raining I will take the time to watch out for snails on the sidewalk so I do not step on them and I pick them up and move then to where they are safer. Stuff like that, I stopped a few animals from getting run over, and feed some of the local outdoor/stay type cats. And let them in, in the winters and other shitty weather.

But a Race traitior, jew, or non-White. Nope not at all.

Ace Rimmer
01-25-2006, 10:46 PM
Yes, but only so I can feed him with poison and watch him die in agony.

jcs
01-25-2006, 11:05 PM
Why does everyone hate cats? A cat would be easier to save...

But a Race traitior, jew, or non-White. Nope not at all.
You sicken me. Whites should be cast into the frigid water with the rest. :p

Starr
01-26-2006, 03:51 AM
It would depend on what kind of dog it was.

A growling rottweiler.

When I was a kid an old man came up to our yard with a puppy in one hand and a plastic bag in another and said that he was gonna drown the puppy (apparently it was his dog's and he didn't want to keep it) if one of us kids didn't take it. I was so upset that I began crying and persuaded my parents to adopt it, it has been living happily with us (now with them) ever since, but of course turned out to be a head-ache only for my parents. So I can actually say that I saved a dog from drowning

Maybe he could not keep the dog for some reason. I would wonder if he said this without any intentions of doing what he said just because he knew the response it would get. Otherwise why even bother to take the time to do this, rather than just killing the dog? but of course you had no way of knowing this and so you certainly did the right thing.:)

I would if it woldn't injure me or mess up my clothes. (the rescue that is, not just the animal)

I can understand the part about injuring yourself, but you would honestly be more concerned about messing up your clothes rather than rescuing the animal?:(

However, drowning animals are usually terrified, and will viciously bite and scratch anything that comes near them, so some sort of net or rope would be essential

I thought about this part too. I guess I would have to try not to think about that and at least attempt to do something and see what happens. Especially if it was a smaller animal I am sure I could gain some control over it and it would probably not be able to injure me all that badly.

On the flip side of this, we had a small fire once and my cat(she hates strangers and will not even let them come near her) was trapped inside the house and she actually let some strange guy come in, pick her up and carry her outside, which was very unusual behavior for her, to say the least.

Gromovnik I would hope you are joking, but I do remember when you talked about wanting to poison your neighbor's dogs.:mad:

Mazdak and Dr. Antichrist, you guys are very cool.:)

Jimbo Gomez
01-26-2006, 11:21 AM
I'm serious yes.

Ace Rimmer
01-26-2006, 01:58 PM
Gromovnik I would hope you are joking, but I do remember when you talked about wanting to poison your neighbor's dogs.:mad:



It was not about wanting, I actually did it.

Berianidze
01-26-2006, 03:07 PM
While I do not condone or take an indifference to people who mistreat animals for the sake of their own pleasures; i.e. there was a firefighter in my local area who took about two dozen cats and smashed their heads in with a hammer; this type of behavior is not only immoral but completely useless. However, the circumstances would have to be right in order for me to make the rescuing of an animal a priority over what else I am required to do on a dialy basis (go to work or school). For instance, if I was on my way to work and I saw a dog travelling down a river, I probably wouldn't be all that motivated to go help. But if I saw a man caning his dog because of some trivial misbehavior that more than likely was the result of the owner's lack of training, then I would intervene on behalf of the animal. It really does depend on the nature of the situation, and the significance of what else I've got going on. Although many times I'm much more sympathetic to animals than to humans.

Carlos Danger
01-26-2006, 03:22 PM
Why does everyone hate cats? A cat would be easier to save...
I dislike cats because they slaughter songbirds

My parents have a birdfeeder in their garden and have to constantly chase murderous cats away from the place

Ambrosio Spinola
01-26-2006, 03:32 PM
I would if it woldn't injure me or mess up my clothes. (the rescue that is, not just the animal)

Wise and honest choice. Would you get a run over bleeding dog in your car?

Kodos
01-26-2006, 04:55 PM
Why does everyone hate cats? A cat would be easier to save...

Cats were useful in human history don't get me wrong, in ancient times humans would not have been able to store food in granaries without them lest it be devoured by rats and civilization would not have been possible. But im less sympathetic to them then others animals because they display a distasteful humanlike trait... that of sadistically torturing their prey before killing it.

James
01-26-2006, 05:24 PM
I used to like aquarium, at least fish don't need much more attention. Cats and dogs annoy me.

Starr
01-26-2006, 05:46 PM
Cats do not require or even seem to like much attention. That is why I generally like dogs a little better.

Gromovnik, I still want to believe you are kidding. Why would you feel the need to basically brag about killing dogs?

Ace Rimmer
01-26-2006, 06:11 PM
Gromovnik, I still want to believe you are kidding. Why would you feel the need to basically brag about killing dogs?

Out of pure evil and hatred.

Jimbo Gomez
01-26-2006, 06:17 PM
Wise and honest choice. Would you get a run over bleeding dog in your car?


Not if it weren't my dog. I'm a lawyer Dan, I can't go walking around in a bloody suit or driving a bloody car. It's bad for business. Besides, if I can't locate the owner, who will pay for the cleaning up of my car?

Starr
01-26-2006, 06:52 PM
I would much rather go home and clean up a little, change my clothes and clean out the car myself than leave a bleeding, and dying dog by the side of the road.

Ambrosio Spinola
01-26-2006, 08:25 PM
Damn right I would not get his bleeding ass in my car. That thing might even bite me out of fear and shock. If I would see the animal suffering to much I might give it a pious coup the grace.

Excorcism
01-27-2006, 12:54 AM
I used to like aquarium, at least fish don't need much more attention. Cats and dogs annoy me.

lol, ya you don't exactly have to clean up as much after fish as you do with dogs or cats.

Helios Panoptes
01-27-2006, 01:00 AM
It would depend. If I had a pressing engagement, I wouldn't get soaking wet to save some random dog. On the other hand, were I wandering around aimlessly, there is a decent chance I would rescue the dog and go home to change. There is no way that I would pick up some bleeding, half-dead animal and put it in my car. Like Ebusitanus, though, if I had the time, I might finish it off. I wouldn't save a cat from drowning. I don't dislike them, but I wouldn't be bothered.

If it was a toy breed, I might dive in and hold it under or pull it out to kill with pliers. I hate those fucking things. I hate the people who own them even more.

Billy Score
01-27-2006, 04:44 AM
Not if it weren't my dog. I'm a lawyer Dan, I can't go walking around in a bloody suit or driving a bloody car. It's bad for business. Besides, if I can't locate the owner, who will pay for the cleaning up of my car?

OY VEY http://www.pmw.org.il/images/5-4-03A%20sneering%20Jew_tn.jpg

Rabbi Martel can't be seen like this in front of the goy!

Péter
01-27-2006, 05:00 AM
Depends on the animal really.

I'd save a cat or a dog, but not a drowning elephant.


Dog? Yes.


Cat? Yes.


Elephant? Yes.


Human? No!

OVERWATCH
01-27-2006, 05:01 AM
I would save a cat, because cats are superior; they are cleaner, more intelligent, quieter compared to dogs.

Dogs are vastly inferior; they are noisy, stupid, dirty, spastic eaters of shit.

Kodos
01-27-2006, 05:02 AM
Dogs are vastly inferior; they are noisy, stupid, dirty, spastic eaters of shit.


Canines in the wild tend to be more efficient hunters as they tend to operate in packs.

Dogs are also funnier.

Intrepid
01-27-2006, 05:08 AM
Starr,

Mr. Peppers blesses you, but not the dog poisoning Lebanese fellow. He should be hunted down by Serbian dog owners.

http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/3104/truerumordog8hi.jpg

OVERWATCH
01-27-2006, 05:09 AM
Canines in the wild tend to be more efficient hunters as they tend to operate in packs..

That's not efficiency, it's a compensatory measure because dogs are, pound for pound, far weaker than cats.


Dogs are also funnier.


Yes, stupidity = funny. Also, animals/people which gobble feces are indeed hilarious.

Ahknaton
01-27-2006, 05:57 AM
Just curious, does anyone know of any religious tradition that has ever venerated dogs? Obviously the Hindus have their sacred cows, and the ancient Egyptians held cats in pretty high esteem, but have dogs ever been considered worthy of worship? Some religions (e.g. Islam) are virulently anti-dog. Muslims hate dogs even more than they hate pigs and monkeys (crazed imams are always denouncing Zionist Jews as "sons of pigs & monkeys").

Excorcism
01-27-2006, 06:01 AM
Just curious, does anyone know of any religious tradition that has ever venerated dogs? Obviously the Hindus have their sacred cows, and the ancient Egyptians held cats in pretty high esteem, but have dogs ever been considered worthy of worship? Some religions (e.g. Islam) are virulently anti-dog. Muslims hate dogs even more than they hate pigs and monkeys (crazed imams are always denouncing Zionist Jews as "sons of pigs & monkeys").

WHOA! Muslims hate dogs? Is this every muslim sect? I know in Iran alot of people have dogs...but wow, that's a new one to me. I'll check that one out.

Kodos
01-27-2006, 06:09 AM
That's not efficiency, it's a compensatory measure because dogs are, pound for pound, far weaker than cats.

So what. Voluntary organization unfortunately beats individualism



Yes, stupidity = funny. Also, animals/people which gobble feces are indeed hilarious.

Dogs can be trained according to the reward and punishment system... ie they can learn. Cats generally cannot, while this is probably just independence it makes establishing such a thing difficult. Also I wouldn't say cats are sanitary.

Excorcism
01-27-2006, 06:11 AM
I've always been a fan of the ENglish bulldog :D

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/bulldog.htm

They're mean looking but actually very nice dogs.

Then of course there's my inner conflict as to whether I should get a Syberian Huskey or a German Shephard.

Ahknaton
01-27-2006, 06:16 AM
WHOA! Muslims hate dogs? Is this every muslim sect? I know in Iran alot of people have dogs...but wow, that's a new one to me. I'll check that one out.
I'm pretty sure that dog saliva is considered "unclean" and Muslims have to perform ablutions before praying after they come in contact with a dog. Also, I'm pretty sure they can't keep them as pets, but owning working dogs is a grey area. I remember there was some stupid conflict within the UN forces in Somalia because the Pakistani troops refused to work with other troops that had canine sniffer units.

Also, there is some prophecy in the Koran about Mohammed coming back to Earth in the end times and killing all the pigs in the world. Religion...LOL!

Excorcism
01-27-2006, 06:22 AM
I'm pretty sure that dog saliva is considered "unclean" and Muslims have to perform ablutions before praying after they come in contact with a dog. Also, I'm pretty sure they can't keep them as pets, but owning working dogs is a grey area. I remember there was some stupid conflict within the UN forces in Somalia because the Pakistani troops refused to work with other troops that had canine sniffer units.

Also, there is some prophecy in the Koran about Mohammed coming back to Earth in the end times and killing all the pigs in the world. Religion...LOL!

I'll definitly look up on that. All the muslims I've known have dogs as pets. Yet, that's only about 3 or 4 muslims, lol.

Starr
01-27-2006, 06:31 AM
Dogs can be trained according to the reward and punishment system... ie they can learn. Cats generally cannot, while this is probably just independence it makes establishing such a thing difficult. Also I wouldn't say cats are sanitary.

Dogs seem to seek out attention and affection from people, by following your lead and doing what you want them to do and behaving in the ways you want, while cats just don't seem to care.

As for cats being ruthless and all. Am I the only one who is fascinated watching a cat and all the ways in which they go about stalking their prey? or is that weird?:p They are so damn graceful even when they are killing a small animal(which I don't allow my cat to do, when I am with her, anyway.:( )

Then of course there's my inner conflict as to whether I should get a Syberian Huskey or a German Shephard.

My dogs of choice have always been either the siberian husky, Rott, or Golden retriever(this mostly because they are just such cute puppies:p )

The Retard
01-27-2006, 07:01 AM
I would save a cat, because cats are superior; they are cleaner, more intelligent, quieter compared to dogs.

Dogs are vastly inferior; they are noisy, stupid, dirty, spastic eaters of shit.

You can't even train a cat to do a simple trick, they aren't even useful.

Food for thought: Cats crap inside the house, they sit and wipe their brown eye where you eat. :D

Starr
01-27-2006, 07:05 AM
You can't even train a cat to do a simple trick, they aren't even useful.

My dad hates cats and you sound just like him. "they aren't even useful" LOL. he has said that exact phrase countless times.:D

Ahknaton
01-27-2006, 07:25 AM
You can't even train a cat to do a simple trick, they aren't even useful.

Food for thought: Cats crap inside the house, they sit and wipe their brown eye where you eat. :D
Cats catch mice. That's useful!

Dogs lick their backsides and then lick your face. Also, some dogs have the most repulsive hygiene problems. My friend had a Pugg that would secrete the most vomitous green slime from it's rear end and leave little horrid snail trails all over his furniture. He took it to the vet and apparently it had some problem with its anal glands. My friend has to put on gloves and "milk" the slime out with his fingers ever week or so or else the poor little thing gets clogged up.

OVERWATCH
01-27-2006, 07:38 AM
You can't even train a cat to do a simple trick, they aren't even useful.

Food for thought: Cats crap inside the house, they sit and wipe their brown eye where you eat. :D

FALSE.

A) Cats catch pests.

B) Cats instinctually crap in set spots and cover their crap. Dogs will crap anywhere. One exception, though: dogs which eat their own crap.

Jonathan
01-27-2006, 10:39 AM
Why does everyone hate cats? A cat would be easier to save...
They remind me of manipulative little scuts. Probably because they are.

Dog on the other hand have the most noble blind loyalty I've ever seen.

Jonathan
01-27-2006, 10:44 AM
Just curious, does anyone know of any religious tradition that has ever venerated dogs? Obviously the Hindus have their sacred cows, and the ancient Egyptians held cats in pretty high esteem, but have dogs ever been considered worthy of worship? Some religions (e.g. Islam) are virulently anti-dog. Muslims hate dogs even more than they hate pigs and monkeys (crazed imams are always denouncing Zionist Jews as "sons of pigs & monkeys").
I suppose Dog don't fit the worship bilol because they never really lead, they always follow.

P.S. Why do Muslims hate Pigs?

Jonathan
01-27-2006, 10:46 AM
Also, some dogs have the most repulsive hygiene problems. My friend had a Pugg that would secrete the most vomitous green slime from it's rear end and leave little horrid snail trails all over his furniture. He took it to the vet and apparently it had some problem with its anal glands. My friend has to put on gloves and "milk" the slime out with his fingers ever week or so or else the poor little thing gets clogged up.
Rub the dogs nose in the stuff then put him outside. After a few times, the dog will realise that he is only supposed to do his business outside(unless this is an exceptional problem that the dog has).

Ace Rimmer
01-27-2006, 01:06 PM
Starr,

Mr. Peppers blesses you, but not the dog poisoning Lebanese fellow. He should be hunted down by Serbian dog owners.

http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/3104/truerumordog8hi.jpg


Looks like the one I poisoned, his stomach is starting to blow because of gasses from poison,
next is agony , foam from mouth and slow death.

Good riddance.

Carlos Danger
01-27-2006, 01:10 PM
Dogs are vastly inferior; they are noisy, stupid, dirty, spastic eaters of shit.
Those aren't bugs, they're *features*

Ace Rimmer
01-27-2006, 01:19 PM
I have nothing but respect for dogs that actually serve their purpose.
This includes object guard dogs, shepherds who actually work and guard sheep’s, police dogs, army dogs, rescue dogs, custom dogs...etc.

The pet dogs in city, another story, they piss and shit everywhere,
this comes out worse during hot summers, with no rain for months and on strong sun... I don't have to describe it.
There is also endless barking :mad: , believe me I talked to the owners
on more occasions about all issues, I even contacted police they said there is nothing they can do.
Poisoning was the final solution, the liberal scum who alarmed all newspapers
and public because of few dogs being cut to the bone for medical experiments here just contributed to my anger and decision,
since more than 1560 veterans of war committed suicide in last 10 years
and nobody cared, but entire press, public and political parties were whining and annoying me for months because of few peeled dogs.

There is one on the balcony on 3rd floor who is barking all day that I can not reach.
So I consider sniping him.


You can't even train a cat to do a simple trick, they aren't even useful.

Maybe she doesn't want to :D
Anyway what's so useful about tricks?
As FlaK pointed out, they catch pests, even the laziest and the most well fed
cat will jump and hunt it down.

brigadier Biggles
01-27-2006, 05:40 PM
P.S. Why do Muslims hate Pigs?

because they're mirror opposites of themselves ?.

YES i would save a dog only if i was capable of saving it and not sustaining injury/dying myself.

i would 100% try and save my own dog though if he got in any trouble.

Starr
01-27-2006, 06:58 PM
Looks like the one I poisoned, his stomach is starting to blow because of gasses from poison,
next is agony , foam from mouth and slow death.

How was it that I so correctly anticipated this response?


[QUOTE=Gromovnik]I have nothing but respect for dogs that actually serve their purpose.
This includes object guard dogs, shepherds who actually work and guard sheep’s, police dogs, army dogs, rescue dogs, custom dogs...etc.

These dogs also shit, piss, bark and exist solely to annoy you.

There is also endless barking :mad: , believe me I talked to the owners
on more occasions about all issues, I even contacted police they said there is nothing they can do.

One thing you can do is to call their bluff so to speak with noise and annoyances of your own, among many, many other things. This is not the fault of the dogs but the people who own them.
Poisoning was the final solution, the liberal scum who alarmed all newspapers
and public because of few dogs being cut to the bone for medical experiments here just contributed to my anger and decision,
since more than 1560 veterans of war committed suicide in last 10 years
and nobody cared, but entire press, public and political parties were whining and annoying me for months because of few peeled dogs.

If you are referring to animal rights activists, they can be somewhat annoying, but besides all the hunters and those who enjoy killing animals, the people who object to this the most seem to be the same people who would say all human life is sacred, and would bitch and cry about what a terrible loss it is if some mentally retarded negro baby is aborted,etc.

There is one on the balcony on 3rd floor who is barking all day that I can not reach.
So I consider sniping him.

what if someone sees you?

Blaphbee
01-27-2006, 07:07 PM
That's not efficiency, it's a compensatory measure because dogs are, pound for pound, far weaker than cats.
Yeah, why else are cats the king of the motherfucking jungle, huh?! The independence of cats is especially endearing.

(i'm well aware that lions, tigers and such aren't exactly the same species as cats, but they are similar enough that my gross generalizations stand.)

Excorcism
01-27-2006, 07:13 PM
whatever, I'm an animal person. I like both cats and dogs.

Lionheart
01-27-2006, 07:20 PM
I've always had a deep appreciation for the natural world and all of its parts. It would indeed pain me to see a dying animal, and I think I would do my best to help it. Animal cruelty, on the other hand, is sickening. Anyone demented enough to partake in such an act deserves to be left in the jungle.

Ace Rimmer
01-27-2006, 07:27 PM
How was it that I so correctly anticipated this response?


You are very smart Lady I guess.

These dogs also shit, piss, bark and exist solely to annoy you.

No, they are trained they don't bark and they definitely don't piss and shit on the city streets.
I forgot to add, yes a pet dog can also be trained and kept in city,
but these cases are rare , since most of families are into cute puppies, and forget about them as they grow.

One thing you can do is to call their bluff so to speak with noise and annoyances of your own, among many, many other things. This is not the fault of the dogs but the people who own them.

Why would I bother and waste time and nerves to make noise and annoyances on my own besides already existing when I can simply poison them within an hour.
I already lost time with talking to the owners, my advice to you all is;
If the dog doesn’t behave and it is not trained, the owner is most likely an idiot too, and any attempt for normal discussion is useless and complete waste of time, just poison the dog.

And I agree it is about the owner, but nobody asks about the dog.

what if someone sees you?

Like I care, and like the owners don't know it is me, since I was probably the only one who confronted them on several occasions.
I even think I made some of them a favor.

Jonathan
01-28-2006, 10:59 AM
because they're mirror opposites of themselves ?
Pigs get a bad rap. They are among the most fastidious creatures in the world. The only roll in muck to protect their skin from the sun, and they never roll in their own mess despite what people think.

Excorcism
01-28-2006, 10:40 PM
For the non-cat lovers in the group.

http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/temporary/PBF047ADMittens.jpg

Professor John Frink
01-29-2006, 03:48 AM
This is my cat. I would do anything for him.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7394/deskkitty4nn.jpg

Ahknaton
01-29-2006, 04:00 AM
Here's my cat:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/Stormfronter/guiness.jpg

(Note: this image has not been digitally manipulated or altered in any way)

brigadier Biggles
01-29-2006, 04:29 AM
http://i1.tinypic.com/msop46.jpg

Professor John Frink
01-29-2006, 04:36 AM
Is that your cat, Kurzon? :D

Carlos Danger
01-29-2006, 04:41 AM
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3599/them6gw.jpg

jcs
01-29-2006, 04:42 AM
Two of my cats look like the one in cowcube's picture, except my cats are nice.

brigadier Biggles
01-29-2006, 04:49 AM
Is that your cat, Kurzon? :D

certainly is :).

Professor John Frink
01-29-2006, 04:52 AM
certainly is :).
That's one fine pussy, chap. ;)

brigadier Biggles
01-29-2006, 05:10 AM
That's one fine pussy, chap. ;)

thanks, he has mesmerizing eyes eh ?, sort of like a snakes...

Professor John Frink
01-29-2006, 05:14 AM
thanks, he has mesmerizing eyes eh ?, sort of like a snakes...
Yeah, makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

The Retard
01-29-2006, 10:33 PM
FALSE.

A) Cats catch pests.

B) Cats instinctually crap in set spots and cover their crap. Dogs will crap anywhere. One exception, though: dogs which eat their own crap.

My dog just caught a pest, a cat, and tore the guts out of it today. :)

Carlos Danger
01-31-2006, 12:07 AM
WHOA! Muslims hate dogs? Is this every muslim sect? I know in Iran alot of people have dogs...but wow, that's a new one to me. I'll check that one out.
From a guide for US soldiers in iraq (http://public.afosi.amc.af.mil/deployment_stress/iraq/culture-gestures.html)
Like other Muslims, most Iraqis consider dogs unclean and will be very reluctant to touch one. Those Iraqis who have anything to do with raising animals may have guard dogs for their flocks, but even so, are not accustomed to the notion of dogs in the house. An Iraqi who has touched a dog will want to wash his or her hands, either immediately afterwards or most certainly before eating. Muslims do, however, like cats. Muhammad, the founder of Islam, was once said to have cut off the hem of his robe rather than disturb the cat sleeping on it.

OVERWATCH
01-31-2006, 03:40 AM
My dog just caught a pest, a cat, and tore the guts out of it today. :)

An odd statement, considering that cats aren't pests at all, rather, dogs are dumb, noisy scavengers merely one step above buzzards or rats.

Should I find that a neighbourhood shiteating dog brought harm to one of my prized feline compatriots, one could bet his bottom $ that at the very least a single 180g semijacketed 7.62mmNATO round would impact it's cranium @ ~3200fps, thereby painting the local landscape with the remnants of it's miniscule canine brains.




:)

OVERWATCH
01-31-2006, 03:59 AM
So what. Voluntary organization unfortunately beats individualism.

It's not voluntary, nor is it a behaviour which cats do not exhibit.

Dogs can be trained according to the reward and punishment system... ie they can learn. Cats generally cannot, while this is probably just independence it makes establishing such a thing difficult. Also I wouldn't say cats are sanitary.

True, dogs are servile curs, and a very responsive to being trained. However, cats can readily be trained by experienced handlers.

Relatively, cats are pristine in comparison with dogs, which usually reek with foul, odiferous stench, consume piles of feces, leave piles of dung whereever they roam, and stupidly bark at any sort of disturbance whatsoever, even common ones.

Dogs have no sense of stealth whatsoever because it is beyond their limited capacity to do so.

Ahknaton
01-31-2006, 04:23 AM
Muslims in Indonesia consider cats to be so perfect that they break their tails. The reasoning is that if they didn't, cats in their faultless perfection would take up all the free spots in heaven, and there would be no places left for the faithful.

I incorporated some catty facts into a page I did about cats a while ago:

The EYES (http://www.enzedblue.com/Familiars/TheEYES.html)

Carlos Danger
01-31-2006, 03:55 PM
As to the "cats don't like water" thing, the Turkish Van (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_van) is also known as the "swimming cat"

http://www.pet.gen.tr/2002/ayin_gozdesi/vanank_2.jpg

OVERWATCH
02-01-2006, 07:58 AM
As to the "cats don't like water" thing, the Turkish Van (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_van) is also known as the "swimming cat"

Interesting, I was unaware if this subspecies.

If I'm correct, Tigers are also known to swim.

Anarch
02-01-2006, 11:51 AM
An odd statement, considering that cats aren't pests at all, rather, dogs are dumb, noisy scavengers merely one step above buzzards or rats.

Should I find that a neighbourhood shiteating dog brought harm to one of my prized feline compatriots, one could bet his bottom $ that at the very least a single 180g semijacketed 7.62mmNATO round would impact it's cranium @ ~3200fps, thereby painting the local landscape with the remnants of it's miniscule canine brains.


:)
My dad used to have a Remington Model 700 ADL, 7.62x54 NATO. Kinda sad he sold it before I was big enough to use it while target shooting :( I'll buy my own one day, probably.

Carlos Danger
02-03-2006, 03:14 AM
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/384/huntingdog4ze.jpg

infoterror
02-03-2006, 03:41 AM
Would you take time out to do something?

I'd say no but that's probably wrong. Empathy is an Indo-European thing.

Professor John Frink
02-03-2006, 04:10 AM
I'd say no but that's probably wrong. Empathy is an Indo-European thing.
How would you know that, Vijay? :D

infoterror
02-03-2006, 04:18 AM
How would you know that, Vijay? :D

You must be from VNN :)

Professor John Frink
02-03-2006, 04:23 AM
You must be from VNN :)
False, Injun. ;)

Carlos Danger
06-01-2006, 09:24 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13043875/

CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. - The phrase "you lucky dog" has taken on new meaning for one Coral Springs puppy.

Jasmine, a 6-month-old golden retriever, was on a morning run with her owner, Michael Rubin. The dog ran ahead to the edge of a pond, where it met up with a hungry alligator.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/060530/n_gator_dog_060530.300w.jpg

The intrepid Rubin jumped right into the water and started beating the gator with his fists. Not giving up easily, the reptile rolled in the water with the dog in its mouth. Rubin eventually managed to free his pet.

At a local animal hospital, Jasmine was treated for cuts and puncture wounds. She's now home, doing fine.

Janus
06-01-2006, 09:58 PM
The question simply is you see a dog,cat,etc drowning or in some other type of threatening situation and you are late for work or some other type of engagement. Would you take time out to do something? Yes.

[...]

WFHermans
06-01-2006, 10:17 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13043875/

CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. - The phrase "you lucky dog" has taken on new meaning for one Coral Springs puppy.

Jasmine, a 6-month-old golden retriever, was on a morning run with her owner, Michael Rubin. The dog ran ahead to the edge of a pond, where it met up with a hungry alligator.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/060530/n_gator_dog_060530.300w.jpg

The intrepid Rubin jumped right into the water and started beating the gator with his fists. Not giving up easily, the reptile rolled in the water with the dog in its mouth. Rubin eventually managed to free his pet.

At a local animal hospital, Jasmine was treated for cuts and puncture wounds. She's now home, doing fine.
The gator didn't want the taste of a jew in his mouth.

http://home.tiscali.be/cartoo/Animal2/cat-swim.jpg

Cats and dogs can swim very well. :)

Starr
06-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Rubin? I won't even say it.:p

Now that would be a bad situation. I would be scared of that alligator, but I couldn't just sit there and watch it tear apart my dog either. I would hope that wouldn't be a scenerio where I would freeze up, but I don't know.

Dyne
06-01-2006, 11:03 PM
The question simply is you see a dog,cat,etc drowning or in some other type of threatening situation and you are late for work or some other type of engagement. Would you take time out to do something?

Yeah I don't generally like to see something die if I can help it. I still feel bad when a raccoon leaps in front of my car at 3AM.

Starr
06-01-2006, 11:06 PM
I saw a dead raccoon in the road once and another raccoon was staring at it for a long time. This was very sad.:(

Dyne
06-01-2006, 11:15 PM
They litter the roads like plastic bags here in suburbia. It is unfortunate for Racoons that their eyesight is so poor. They really don't see your car until you are right on top of them.

Slavic Enforcer
06-02-2006, 01:55 AM
I personally know people who are of the mindset of it is just an animal, who really cares.

I know people who love their dog more than their own child.

Typical western attitude, if you ask me.

1-800
06-02-2006, 01:58 AM
I'd only save my own animals.

1-800
06-02-2006, 02:00 AM
I am extremely protective of most animals and even got into a physical fight with a 7th grade teacher while trying to save a mesquite bug. Even worms and mosquitos get saved, nothing sickens me more than people who take advantage of the innocence of an animal, regardless of its type.

Animals are not innocent--you're only anthropomorphizing them as innocent.

Starr
06-02-2006, 02:42 AM
I know people who love their dog more than their own child.

Typical western attitude, if you ask me.


I know people who treat and talk to their dog like it is a child, but I don't really know anyone that seems to love their dog more than their child. I also know people who like animals more than children, but they do not have any children of their own. Personally, I have more patience with an animal than a child.

Helios Panoptes
06-02-2006, 02:51 AM
I might save other people's animals because I am a kind soul. :D

I saw a dead raccoon in the road once and another raccoon was staring at it for a long time. This was very sad. :(

:rofl:

Starr
06-02-2006, 02:55 AM
what is funny, the dead raccoon or that I was saddened by it?

Helios Panoptes
06-02-2006, 02:58 AM
what is funny, the dead raccoon or that I was saddened by it?

Good question. The way you seem to have taken it to heart is what's funny to me.

Billy Score
06-02-2006, 04:20 AM
Good question. The way you seem to have taken it to heart is what's funny to me.
What is wrong with that? Only asians have no regard for animals (since they are automatons with sparks like transformers, not hearts like people and have no emotions or souls). I think to a degree one can tell the level of civilization a people have achieved by how they treat animals around them.

Rats and most mammals can become distressed at the death of one they "knew" or coexisted with for a time. Raccoons especially are smart animals, so this definitely applies to them.

Janus
06-02-2006, 04:23 AM
I think to a degree one can tell the level of civilization a people have achieved by how they treat animals around them. Do you believe Asian civilizations are unadvanced?

Billy Score
06-02-2006, 04:26 AM
Animals are not innocent--you're only anthropomorphizing them as innocent.
This is also false. They do what they need to do and are not nnearly as excessive as people. Most of the time animals leave you alone if you leave them alone. They don't (aside from dolphins and some higher level degenerate primates) have sex for pleasure so much as to reproduce and there is no sin in them. They are innocent for the same reason a baby is innocent rather, because they do not understand humanity. When one human approaches another with a knife or a gun, even the unarmed victim understands the situation fully and can at least plan accordingly, but an animal cannot do this. It does not understand or fully grasp the situation. They are innocent insofar as they are not perverted by human vice.

It sounds all quite absurd, but i don't know how to put it otherwise.

Billy Score
06-02-2006, 04:29 AM
Do you believe Asian civilizations are unadvanced?
They do not count. Asians are like computers and automatons to a degree. They are great for facts ande figures but they can't grasp abstract concepts. Infact i don't believe the chinese even had words for abstract thoughts or ideas for quite some time and this held back their civilization to a degree.

asians are civilized in the sense that they are advanced, however having complex cities is not all there is to civilization as far as i am concerned. While their cruelty to animals is not a sign of their being a totally savage people, it is a sign of their being a very cold and unfeeling people

Helios Panoptes
06-02-2006, 04:33 AM
What is wrong with that?

I don't know. I didn't say it was wrong, did I? I may construe it as "cute" coming from a female.

Only asians have no regard for animals (since they are automatons with sparks like transformers, not hearts like people and have no emotions or souls).

Lol, do you really think that? It is an "american" thing to weep over the death of a random wild animal. People from rural areas in Europe, for example, don't seem to be nearly as sentimental about these things, in my experience.

I think to a degree one can tell the level of civilization a people have achieved by how they treat animals around them.

Interesting, but not relevant to my post, which does not advocate animal abuse.

Rats and most mammals can become distressed at the death of one they "knew" or coexisted with for a time. Raccoons especially are smart animals, so this definitely applies to them.

That's nice.

You're soft. :p

B-Pep
06-02-2006, 05:18 AM
I love animals and it angers me to see people commit acts of cruelty to animals. Civilized people should know animals can feel and have a soul. For thousands of years animals have lead us selflessly into war, helped us herd our sheep, accompanied us into old age, and given us their loyalty and love, we OWE them respect and dignity.

I would save an animal if it was within my power (although I can't swim).


Lol, do you really think that? It is an "american" thing to weep over the death of a random wild animal. People from rural areas in Europe, for example, don't seem to be nearly as sentimental about these things, in my experience.


What part of Europe are you from? Europeans have a natural love for animals. European's have always been the most advanced in terms of animal rights. Of course eating animals is not unethical.

OVERWATCH
06-02-2006, 05:26 AM
I like animals, except most dogs, but I would save a dog if it was in my power to do so.

edit: we used to have a big racoon who came in the garage to eat the cat food, and he didn't really care about people being around; they really are neat creatures.

Starr
06-02-2006, 05:38 AM
A person who would purposely injure a dog and get some kind of enjoyment out of it is capable of almost anything, IMO.

My aunt took in a rescued dog who had been locked in a barn without food and water. it was a siberian husky. Very pretty dog and also friendly even after what it had been through. Another puppy she got was the only survivor from a litter of puppies where the owner had shot the mother and the rest of the puppies. I really do hope both of these people are dead.

OVERWATCH
06-02-2006, 05:48 AM
If someone's dog was being an utter nuisance, and they refused to do anything about it, I'd seriously consider poisoning it.

Also, if someone's dog injured, or threatened to injure a member of my family, one of my friends, or one of my cats, I'd not hesitate one(1) second to blow it away with a 150gr semijacketed .308 slug out of an FN FAL.

I wouldn't enjoy it though, because I'd rather do it to the dumb owners who are dumber than the dumb dog. It is, unfortunately, illegal.

Ahknaton
06-02-2006, 05:49 AM
Only asians have no regard for animals (since they are automatons with sparks like transformers, not hearts like people and have no emotions or souls).
LOL

The Japanese in particular are a bit strange when it comes to animals. On the one hand they have some cultural practises regarding animals that seem very cruel, even inhuman, to Western sensibilities, such as the "dance of death", where they eat a live crayfish by pulling its legs off as it writhes on the dinner table in agony. They also hunt whales and dolphins, which many Westerners find objectionable (100 years ago it was a different story of course).

On the other hand, they value "cuteness" a lot, particularly of the Hello Kitty/fluffy animal variety. This is related to their cultural concept of Kawaii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaii). When Australia had bush-fires a few years ago, there was a massive outpouring of grief in Japan for all the Koala Bears that died.

Starr
06-02-2006, 05:55 AM
[QUOTE=Our Benefactors]If someone's dog was being an utter nuisance, and they refused to do anything about it, I'd seriously consider poisoning it.

what could the dog possibly be doing that is such a nusiance you would poison it?

OVERWATCH
06-02-2006, 05:55 AM
Anyone see that bit on Faces of Death where some travelers to some Asian country sampled the local cuisine, whereby a live monkey's neck was placed in a hole at the center of a table, with only the head showing, and they clobbered it to death with mallets, opened the cranium and then ate the brains?

What country was that?

OVERWATCH
06-02-2006, 05:56 AM
[quote]

what could the dog possibly be doing that is such a nusiance you would poison it?
Barking all the time for stupid reasons.

Spitfire
06-02-2006, 06:00 AM
Animals are not innocent--you're only anthropomorphizing them as innocent.

What are they guilty of? Being furry?

Starr
06-02-2006, 06:13 AM
http://www.dogsindia.com/images/Golden_Puppy_Kannan3.jpg

http://www.dogweb.nl/gsdgfx/petpro0520.jpg

Billy Score
06-02-2006, 07:00 AM
helios- i wasn't particularly "Debating". This is a lounge post. Certainly if a dog attacked me and threated to kill me i'd put it out of its misery with one of my unstoppable punches or a bicycle kick. It would certainly be a shame and i'd feel awful but in self defense it is not evil to kill the enemy.

and i have noticed that they do have a thing for "cutesy" things. that is why so much from japan has emphasis on this (pikachu, anyone?). Yet they seem to draw the line when it comes to animals with hair and animals without it. If you don't have hair you can be sadistically tortured for the amusement of a crowd, but if you are a cute and cuddly furry, you are worshipped.

Helios Panoptes
06-02-2006, 10:29 AM
Barking all the time for stupid reasons


Why not tell the owner that the dog is a nuisance? They may be receptive. It's worth a shot.

The raccoons here are a nuisance. They're always knocking the trash over and one "skinned" a cat I owned.

The Faces of Death oddities are not all legit.

The attitude people take towards animals is mostly determined by conditions, not heartlessness or lack thereof. For example, in many places, animals are still utilities, not just pets. People get attached to them, but it's just not the same as the surrogate children relationship that others have with their pets. Furthermore, being raised killing animals in a farm and in the field surely has something to do with it. If you have the stomach for that, a dead raccoon just doesn't seem as emotionally significant.

When I was last in Europe, I saw a pig slaughtered with an ice pick. It was very noisy.

Ace Rimmer
06-02-2006, 10:56 AM
http://www.dogsindia.com/images/Golden_Puppy_Kannan3.jpg

http://www.dogweb.nl/gsdgfx/petpro0520.jpg

Hang 'em :whip:

Starr
06-02-2006, 11:24 AM
:( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Richard Parker
06-02-2006, 11:35 AM
I would certainly do what I could in the situation, short of putting myself at serious risk.

OVERWATCH
06-02-2006, 12:40 PM
Why not tell the owner that the dog is a nuisance? They may be receptive. It's worth a shot.


Go back and read my previous post. I said *if* the owner of the nuisance dog was nonresponsive, I would consider poisoning it.

In fact, I did this very thing last year. Every person adjacent to me owns one or more stupid dogs; one dog, a German Shep. mix across the street, was the stupidest of all, would bark and everything/anything, and incite all the neighbour's dogs to join in a cacophony of barking. :mad: Dog-lovers might consider such a terrible din to be "cute", but not I. Their next door neigbour complained about this, to no avail.

I was grinning and bearing it all when the dumb dog got loose from it's boundaries and chased one of my cats while I was away from home. Upon learning of this, I paid a visit to their house and calmly explained to the fat trekkie living there, that if the stupid mutt did this again, it would be promptly shot. :bbbat:

Whereupon the neighbours decided to put the dumb dog in the house, where it shat all over the floor and they were forced to get rid of that vile eater/producer of shite.

Problem-solved. :whip:

Starr
12-25-2008, 06:44 PM
Since we have quite a few new and different people here, I am going to bump this thread. I am always very curious about what people would do in these situations.

Cole
12-25-2008, 07:13 PM
Puppy-torturer OVERWATCH. :thumbsdown:

Hartmann von Aue
12-25-2008, 08:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_(dog)

delete
12-25-2008, 09:12 PM
If I did nothing I could get prosecuted.


Norwegian Animal Welfare Act

Summary: This comprehensive Animal Welfare Act from Norway covers nearly all aspects in the treatment of animals, including research, farming, and general care. It covers live mammals, birds, toads, frogs, salamanders (newts), reptiles, fish, and crustaceans. The Act provides a broad statement of purpose that, "Animals shall be treated well, and consideration shall be given to the instinctive behaviour and natural needs of animals, so that there is no risk of causing them unnecessary suffering."

...snip...

Section 6 Assistance.

Should a person happen upon an animal which is obviously sick, injured, or helpless, he must help it as far as possible. Should it prove impossible to give assistance or sufficient help, and the animal in question is a domestic animal, tame reindeer, or large game animal, he shall, as soon as possible, inform the owner or the person in charge of the animal, or the nearest police authority.

When it is obvious that the animal cannot survive or make a complete recovery, the person happening upon the animal can kill it in accordance with the provisions of Section 10, if this is necessary to spare it from further suffering. A person who kills a domestic animal, tame reindeer, or large game animal, must notify the nearest police authority as soon as possible. Domestic animals, tame reindeer, and large game animals, must not be killed in accordance with these provisions if it is possible to get hold of the owner or person in charge, a veterinarian, or the police, within a reasonable period of time.

Expenses incurred in carrying out measures in accordance with the provisions of this Section shall be reimbursed from public funds, but may be recovered from the owner or person in charge.
http://www.animallaw.info/nonus/statutes/stnoapa1995.htm

Starr
12-25-2008, 09:33 PM
I do not like laws like that. They are much too intrusive. Hopefully people would help an injured animal or an animal who is in a dangerous situation(like the drowning example) not because it is the law but because they feel it is the right thing to do.

Susan
12-25-2008, 10:12 PM
The answer, of course, is yes. I've saved more animals in the last thirty years, in all kinds of situations, than anyone here can even begin to imagine. Can't get too specific as many of them were illegal, but a number of them were off the side of the road, that type of thing. etc. I probably personally saved at least a thousand to fifteen hundred (probably more) animals in the last thirty years. I did my fair share, and now I'm mostly retired from that. But I still try to get them off the side of the road if they'll come to me. Usually, even after quite a chase, they won't.

OVERWATCH
12-25-2008, 10:26 PM
Haha, this thread's been necro'd.

Puppy-torturer OVERWATCH. :thumbsdown:

Dogs are generally very annoying, but I've never had to harm one and I certainly haven't tortured any puppies :rofl:

In my experience, confronting the owner seems to work well. Sometimes you have to breach the boundaries of civility to get satisfaction, but it's better than the alternative.

Living next door to a fuckin' kennel is a stressful thing that's bound to shave years off one's life.

Smirky
12-25-2008, 10:39 PM
wouldn't save a cat for any reason. A dog, well it would depend on how much effort and risk was involved.

On the other hand, if I was broke and knew of some Asians wanting to have a meal..........:)

Carlos Danger
12-26-2008, 12:05 AM
I seriously considered getting a cat a while ago, due to an infestation of mice. Seems to have been a temporary problem though (fingers crossed).

Ahknaton
12-26-2008, 07:09 AM
Would a dog save you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_(dog)
Japanese scientists have been hard at work trying to answer this question:

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delete
12-26-2008, 08:19 AM
I do not like laws like that. They are much too intrusive. Hopefully people would help an injured animal or an animal who is in a dangerous situation(like the drowning example) not because it is the law but because they feel it is the right thing to do.
Decent people would save or kill an injured animal no matter the law, so it is basically a law to punish people for being able to see animals suffering. :)

ScottishStalinist1
12-27-2008, 05:07 AM
I saved my dog's life once around six or seven years ago. It likes to jump up and catch the mail through the letterbox and chew the mail so we bought an inside metal post-catching cage. One day my dog got its collar hooked onto a side part of the cage and was hanging from it for about twenty seconds before I went down stairs to collect the mail and then saw the dog choking and hanging in the air. I quickly lifted the dog up and unhooked his collar and rescued it.

To this day, it still has that annoying habit. The cage no longer is at the door, though.

Dan Dare
12-27-2008, 06:30 AM
I seriously considered getting a cat a while ago, due to an infestation of mice. Seems to have been a temporary problem though (fingers crossed).

When we lived in Singapore our cats were invaluable for dealing with cockroaches. They seemed to consider them as a feline videogame.

Unfortunately the only mice that we have to worry about here are the ones that the present generation of cats bring in.

Sulla the Dictator
12-27-2008, 07:15 AM
I would probably go through a lot of trouble and a fair amount of risk to save a dog. I would go through some trouble but not any danger to save a cat, I suppose.

Starr
01-30-2011, 09:30 PM
I am bumping this thread. We have tons of new posters since this thread was started.

Carlos Danger
01-30-2011, 09:54 PM
I seriously considered getting a cat a while ago, due to an infestation of mice. Seems to have been a temporary problem though (fingers crossed).The little gits reappear each winter when the weather gets very cold.

American_Celt
01-30-2011, 09:55 PM
Ok, so this is not the most important topic, but since it is the lounge it does fit.:D

I just heard a story in the news about some people who went through quite a bit of hassle to save a dog that was drowning. I always like these kind of stories since I am especially fond of cat, dogs, and lots of other fluffy animals. And the other side of that is when I hear about someone who hurt an animal I can feel in the mood to kick some ass for days. A girly thing, maybe.

The question simply is you see a dog,cat,etc drowning or in some other type of threatening situation and you are late for work or some other type of engagement. Would you take time out to do something?

I personally know people who are of the mindset of it is just an animal, who really cares.

Yes, it's the civilized thing to do.

Kodos
01-30-2011, 09:59 PM
Dog yes, cat no (rather I wouldn't go out of my way to save a cat).

sphere
01-31-2011, 12:20 AM
I definitely would save any animal that was in distress if I was able. I rescue turtles in the middle of the street all the time, I stop and pick them up and put them on the other side of the road.

Keystone
01-31-2011, 12:36 AM
I slow down while driving to avoid hitting most any animal except pigeons and groundhogs (death be upon them).

Keystone
01-31-2011, 12:43 AM
I would not harm mourning doves who are decent, law-abiding birds.

Angler
01-31-2011, 01:29 AM
I definitely would save any animal that was in distress if I was able. I rescue turtles in the middle of the street all the time, I stop and pick them up and put them on the other side of the road.I do the same sort of thing whenever the opportunity is there. Most of the time it involves little trouble and makes me feel better, though I once went well out of my way to rescue a cat that had been hit by a car.

Kodos
01-31-2011, 02:00 AM
I slow down while driving to avoid hitting most any animal except pigeons and groundhogs (death be upon them).

Why groundhogs, you can't blame them all for that one who sees his shadow?

Greenberg
01-31-2011, 03:04 AM
I would jump into my city's disgusting toxic waste and sewage filled harbour to save a dog.

Cardinal
01-31-2011, 09:47 AM
My instinct would be to help the animal anyway I could .. but I can't honestly say what I would actually do. It would just depend on that second/moment and all the circumstances surrounding it. Jumping in to freezing water I'd think I would hesitate (I hope I would -- cause then we'd both be stuck and freeze to death) and try my best to improvise and find some way of helping it. Imagine walking up somewhere and finding a deer, cow or horse in freezing water! Unless you had access to a tow truck or some large equipment there would be basically nothing you could do. :( That would tear me up man.

I only skimmed and missed this:

" The question simply is you see a dog,cat,etc drowning or in some other type of threatening situation and you are late for work or some other type of engagement. Would you take time out to do something? "

No doubt. I would even risk my life, emphasis on risk. I would only hesitate if it looked like I'd most surely die by helping it. More so with a human, especially a child.

But I just don't think we can honestly say what we'd do in situations like this. Unless it's your own child. Then of course you'd more than likely die for it ... or your spouse, parent, sibling, really good friend - hell possibly even a stranger. It would be instinct that kicks in and not thought at that point. Unless you happen to be trained to think instead of simply react in such a situation.

Omniel
01-31-2011, 09:52 AM
It's not a good question, most people would stop to save the life of a cute animal if nothing else was at stake, such as a high risk to themselves or another person.

The more interesting one is 'would you save a dog or X?'. For example, save your own dog or the life of a human child (as was asked in the s/b yesterday).

O'Zebedee
01-31-2011, 06:35 PM
The Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/930749--100-sled-dogs-shot-when-b-c-tour-business-slows-after-olympics)

100 sled dogs shot when B.C. tour business slows


WHISTLER, B.C.—An official of the SPCA in British Columbia says word of a slaughter of sled dogs in Whistler warrants a criminal investigation.

Marcie Moriarty, general manager of the group’s cruelty investigations, says the description of the April 2010 incident is an “absolutely criminal code offence,” although there is no indication a police investigation is underway.

Documents obtained by CKNW radio reveal about 100 healthy sled dogs were killed in a mass slaughter in Whistler last April 21 and 23.

According to the WorkSafe B.C. documents, an employee of Outdoor Adventures Whistler has been compensated for post-traumatic stress disorder after being ordered to shoot the animals.

The documents reveal bookings for dog sled tours collapsed after the Olympics and when the company could not find homes for its animals, it ordered the cull.

Outdoor Adventures Whistler did not contest the details in the WorkSafe documents except to indicate that the injured worker claimed to have killed 70 dogs, but 100 were actually destroyed.

Frank
01-31-2011, 07:00 PM
Ok, so this is not the most important topic, but since it is the lounge it does fit.:D

I just heard a story in the news about some people who went through quite a bit of hassle to save a dog that was drowning. I always like these kind of stories since I am especially fond of cat, dogs, and lots of other fluffy animals. And the other side of that is when I hear about someone who hurt an animal I can feel in the mood to kick some ass for days. A girly thing, maybe.

The question simply is you see a dog,cat,etc drowning or in some other type of threatening situation and you are late for work or some other type of engagement. Would you take time out to do something?

I personally know people who are of the mindset of it is just an animal, who really cares.

Yes, I would help the struggling animal.

Starr
01-31-2011, 07:00 PM
It's not a good question, most people would stop to save the life of a cute animal if nothing else was at stake, such as a high risk to themselves or another person.

The more interesting one is 'would you save a dog or X?'. For example, save your own dog or the life of a human child (as was asked in the s/b yesterday).


I would hope most people would but we live in a day when people are incredibly selfish and will not do anything that might even slightly inconvience them. I recall reading stories even if people who will not help other people if it were merely inconvient to them. There was one story I remember in particular where a man was left lying near the road with cars driving right by for an extended period of time. What is a man's life I suppose compared to someone being a little late to an appointment, their job, to get home or whatever else.:deadhorse:
As for the dog child question, as you said yesterday almost everyone is going to pick the child or at least lie about it.

Omniel
01-31-2011, 08:03 PM
I would hope most people would but we live in a day when people are incredibly selfish and will not do anything that might even slightly inconvience them. I recall reading stories even if people who will not help other people if it were merely inconvient to them.

There was one story I remember in particular where a man was left lying near the road with cars driving right by for an extended period of time.
In many cases this is probably out of fear rather than cold selfishness. Especially with people lying in the street - most of them are junkies or drunks, so vulnerable individuals aren't likely to approach them.

I don't disagree with your point though, there is a certain type of person who 'doesn't want to get involved' and considers it a higher priority to get to their next appointment. This probably has a lot to do with the lack of sense of community in most cities. For that type of person it would depend entirely on the inconvenience to them.

The dog question makes more sense with some kind of context:

e.g.

Would I swim out and save the drowning animal? Maybe.
If I had an important meeting to attend? Yes.
If I was wearing a £1000 suit? Yes, although I know several people who definitely wouldn't.
If I was with swimming with a 2 year-old child? No.

As for the dog child question, as you said yesterday almost everyone is going to pick the child or at least lie about it.
Don't think I said they'd lie - on this type of forum I'd expect more people than IRL to be fairly open if they'd save their dog instead of the baby. It's not like that's much more taboo than some other views expressed here.

In fact, someone did choose the dog over the baby - I find that more abhorrent than the choice to ignore the drowning dog but that's a personal preference. It's disturbing that people can empathise more with the well-being of an animal than a human infant.

Another interesting angle is if the choice was between your dog and a baby of another race (say a black baby). I bet the results would be a lot different.

Don Quixote
01-31-2011, 08:10 PM
Another interesting angle is if the choice was between your dog and a baby of another race (say a black baby). I bet the results would be a lot different.In all circumstances, the life of the child will always trump the animal unconditionally. Only some kind of moral moron could find this a dilemma.

Omniel
01-31-2011, 08:26 PM
In all circumstances, the life of the child will always trump the animal unconditionally. Only some kind of moral moron could find this a dilemma.
Funnily enough, I used the term 'moral imbecile' when I came across the viewpoint yesterday; but I'd rather not make people feel uncomfortable about their choice and lie instead.

Tempting to set up an anonymous poll for this question actually.

Ambrosio Spinola
01-31-2011, 08:38 PM
I would gladly shoot anyone who would pick the dog. What kind of question...

Omniel
01-31-2011, 08:42 PM
I would gladly shoot anyone who would pick the dog. What kind of question...
It's not that shocking - for example an animal-loving racist choosing to save the life of his lifelong pet over a black or Jewish baby.

Don Quixote
01-31-2011, 09:03 PM
Funnily enough, I used the term 'moral imbecile' when I came across the viewpoint yesterday; but I'd rather not make people feel uncomfortable about their choice and lie instead.You shouldn't have to worry about their precious sensibilities. If they lie then they are cowards and they know it. Instead they should step up to the plate and defend their beliefs and tell you and I why we are wrong.
Tempting to set up an anonymous poll for this question actually.Resist it.

Don Quixote
01-31-2011, 09:08 PM
Someone transmitted this message to me in the form of a neg rep
there are too many blacks and inferior peoples in the world, and they are our enemies. the dog is worth more

If they don't step up and publicly defend their views I will name them.

Omniel
01-31-2011, 09:14 PM
Resist it.
Why do you say that?

Don Quixote
01-31-2011, 09:19 PM
Why do you say that?Why facilitate cowardice?

Omniel
01-31-2011, 09:23 PM
Why facilitate cowardice?
Because a properly representative outcome is more interesting. How do I post a poll by the way?

Don Quixote
01-31-2011, 09:28 PM
Because a properly representative outcome is more interesting. Why would it be more interesting? Surely their reasons for such views are what is interesting, not the fact that some people might hold views they don't have the guts to defend, even in an anonymous setting like this.
How do I post a poll by the way?I think you'd have to open a new thread and go through the poll options

Omniel
01-31-2011, 09:38 PM
Why would it be more interesting? Surely their reasons for such views are what is interesting, not the fact that some people might hold views they don't have the guts to defend, even in an anonymous setting like this.
I think you'd have to open a new thread and go through the poll options
I don't think the reasons would vary much from the simple fact that they don't value the life of an ethnic minority baby above that of their faithful canine companion. Some probably go further and view the baby's life as detrimental anyway.

I'm more curious about how common this viewpoint is within a predominantly ethno-nationalist/racial realist crowd.

*edit* The poll: http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=70154

Carlos Danger
02-01-2011, 01:25 AM
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limit
02-01-2011, 09:18 AM
I voted save the baby instead.