Half-Castes and High Yellows

[Byssus]

Some Thoughts

The cross between a white man and an Indian is an Indian; the cross between a white man and a negro is a negro; the cross between a white man and a Hindu is a Hindu; and the cross between any of the three European races and a Jew is a Jew.
Madison Grant & Henry Fairfield Osborn, The Passing of the Great Race (http://books.google.com/books?id=Q9cKAAAAIAAJ&dq=the+passing+of+the+great+race) (1921)

The threat of phenotypic dissolution -- the outward loss, blunting, or dimunition of unique physical traits -- has often underlain aversion to admixture between distinct human stocks. At the same time, for all our caste laws and rules of hypodescent, we see the contemptible profligacy of man: contact races, mongrel sailors' sons, the throwback and the passer. And yes, on the level of alleles, we speak more properly of dissolution or submersion than of outright elimination; even in no-holds-barred Brazil, the hair-and-eye blondism of Europe continue to jut like intermittent islands from the pardo ocean.

The great transition zones of Central Asia, Austronesia, and the Maghreb underwent appreciable development even in historic times, reshaped by steppe campaigns, outrigger fleets, the trans-Saharan slave trade. Yet these lands bore the impress of yet-older meldings, through which the core combinations stayed fairly constant. The past five hundred years, by contrast -- a paroxysm. The mestizo genesis, negroids in the Nearctic, coolies and crown colonies, the two continents of the Red Man overrun in the blink of an eye: singular though they might seem, symptoms of a still greater illness. Norway rats, Argentine ants, the Oriental cockroach -- today ubiquitous enough to strip their names of meaning. Welcome to the Homogenocene.

Horn-of-African Mulattos

In terms of parentage, each of the following individuals is halfway split between the Horn of Africa and Europe. The heterogeneity of the Horn being what it is, no hard-and-fast rules apply to the appearance of hybrid offspring. That said, the European element seems in many cases to predominate (though the extent to which this is attributable to morphological similarity between the parental types is difficult to say). Contrast this trend with that observed for tropical West-African/European hybrids.

Somali-Finnish:

http://img100.exs.cx/img100/1223/geuss12dy.jpg

Ethiopian-Russian:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4273/156226888lta3.jpg

Eritrean-Swedish:

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3118/rebeckaandom6gr.jpg

Eritrean-Irish:

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/957/1387254864lob1.jpg

Somali-British:

http://img97.exs.cx/img97/830/who3dg.jpg

Eritrean-Serbian:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/931/l87247fc2afd2fd8228374bdy6.jpg

Eritrean-Norwegian (biological brothers):

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3587/eritreannorwegianqf4.jpg

Eritrean-Swedish:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8975/79967629lko1.jpg

Ethiopian-Spanish:

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4468/071504habtegabrhirezyk9.jpg

Betwixt the Horn and East Asia

(Afro-Asiatic has a specific linguistic meaning, Afro-Asian is vague, and "blasian" is just vulgar. More on "blackness" and its aptness in this corner of East Africa later.)

Ethiopian-Taiwanese:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5017/478821150lpu5.jpg

[Isra'il Yahya]

They are East-African and European hybrids. East-Africans seem to be Semites/ Middle-Eastern Caucasoids with very dark pigment while often retaining completely Caucasoid features.

[Isra'il Yahya]

They are East-African and European hybrids. East-Africans seem to be Semites/ Middle-Eastern Caucasoids with very dark pigment while often retaining completely Caucasoid features. A Congoid and European mix would be much more obvious.

[Niko Bellic]

They are East-African and European hybrids. East-Africans seem to be Semites/ Middle-Eastern Caucasoids with very dark pigment while often retaining completely Caucasoid features. A Congoid and European mix would be much more obvious.

Some of those pics are of Eritrean hybrids. I don't know how common it is in Eritrea, but 2 years ago I worked with an Eritrean immigrant who was a pale skinned, red haired, white girl. She claimed she was of Greek, African, and Syrian ancestry, so I'm wondering what sort of Eritrean parent produced these people.

[Byssus]

Some of those pics are of Eritrean hybrids. I don't know how common it is in Eritrea, but 2 years ago I worked with an Eritrean immigrant who was a pale skinned, red haired, white girl. She claimed she was of Greek, African, and Syrian ancestry, so I'm wondering what sort of Eritrean parent produced these people.

Save for some scattered pockets of European ancestry (usually Italian, for historic reasons), she'd be extremely atypical, and it's quite unlikely that this was the case for the individuals shown above.

They are East-African and European hybrids. East-Africans seem to be Semites/ Middle-Eastern Caucasoids with very dark pigment while often retaining completely Caucasoid features. A Congoid and European mix would be much more obvious.

Well, this claim is untenable when we look to greater East Africa, and shaky even within the Horn. In most schools of thought, the Ethiopid or Aethiopid type represented not a core Caucasoid form but a stabilized mix of Caucasoid and Negroid elements (with the proportions varying from group to group and more recently altered by Bantu incursion and Arabian migration), or a proto-Caucasoid type modified by both. Clearly, the hybrid theory doesn't entail simple, recent conquest of pure Congoids by Arabs; better to think Turan than Sudan.

Craniologically (setting aside pigmentation and hair texture), I'm inclined to agree with you -- many would qualify as Caucasoid. Genetic analyses tell a somewhat different story. If there's enough interest, I'll start a separate thread on this matter.

[Dragonair]

There are actually Swedes who marry African immigrants?
:X

[Gregz]

Well the Eritrean-Irish lady looks white and the Eritrean-Norwegian looks middle eastern. The rest all look like typical ugly Mulattos to me.

[Empress Cheesatine]

I'd suggest their "black" parent was a light-skinned and mixed his- or herself. There's no way someone can have a full black parent and look that non-black. African DNA is like a poop stain on a white sheet that won't come off.

[Gregz]

Cheesypie

I agree the Eritrean-Irish is could be Arab-Irish but their is no way in hell that she is half black.

Whilst some mulatto's have a fairer complexion than others most are ugly, nappy haired and look more like this:

http://beautyisacommodity.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/mpearl2.jpg

[Byssus]

I'd suggest their "black" parent was a light-skinned and mixed his- or herself. There's no way someone can have a full black parent and look that non-black. African DNA is like a poop stain on a white sheet that won't come off.
Perhaps extending "mulatto" (coined in reference to Tropical West African/European hybrids) to all "black"/"white" mixes was an oversight. Once more, the above individuals possess white (i.e., European Caucasoid) ancestry along only one parental line.

Can we conceive of non-negroid blacks? Expansion of one term or the other (or, if they're synonymous, exclusion of many Horn-of-Africans from both) may become necessary even if we limit ourselves to dark-skinned Sub-Saharan natives.

Is the Horn of Africa "black" in the sense that its peoples are morphologically interchangeable with those of Benin or Ghana? No. Are they cultural Arabs? With the exception of some Rashaida Bedouin, 19th century Ottoman migrants, no. Are they Orientalids -- the physical form most laypeople have in mind when speaking of "Arabs"? Again, no. This type is minor and predominantly dilute.

Ethiopian-Unspecified European (father and offspring):

http://img104.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2007/05/20/kellogg-46jbboqsd.jpg

Ethiopian-Unspecified European:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/287883351_822ce0073f_o.gif

Note the vaguely Near Eastern or even mestizoid appearance. Granted, the subjects still young, particularly child in second image, and thus phenotypically unsolidified.

To continue with the opening sequence:

Somali-Italian:

http://www.italosomali.org/Sandro.jpg

Somali-Dutch:

http://img21.exs.cx/img21/8412/ahmed6oy.jpg

Somali-Unspecified European:

http://img16.exs.cx/img16/3762/lol9kv.jpg

Eritrean-Unspecified European:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/103/287889054_2d49b3b833_o.jpg

[Vissario]

African DNA is like a poop stain on a white sheet that won't come off.

It is not a black man's fault that the white woman with blond hair and blue eyes has largley recessive traits.

[Omniel]

In most cases the black parent is obviously half-caste themselves. The whiter ones are basically just the product of a European parent with a mulatto who is at least one or more likely two or three generations removed from pure groid, so the white features are less diluted. What is interesting is that they are more beautiful the more obvious their white European features are.

[Lily]

Eritrean-Serbian:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/931/l87247fc2afd2fd8228374bdy6.jpg


As we can see, race mixing is destroying the white race.

[Omniel]

As we can see, race mixing is destroying the white race.
Bad example. How many mullatos do you know who look like that?

[Lily]

One, actually a red head with green eyes. I was blown away when I saw her mother. But I get your point.

I still don't believe race mixing destroys white genes, only a simpleton would.

[Omniel]

I still don't believe race mixing destroys white genes, only a simpleton would.
Are you kidding? What happens to 'white genes' if they are mixed over three or so (probably less) generations with black genes?

[Lily]

Are you kidding? What happens to 'white genes' if they are mixed over three or so (probably less) generations with black genes?
You can't see them, but there is every chance that they are there. Alot of American blacks have light eyes and lighter skin than their African counterparts.

[Omniel]

You can't see them, but there is every chance that they are there. Alot of American blacks have light eyes and lighter skin than their African counterparts.
By any standard the result of this union is not a white person, and their genes are no longer completely 'white', they are something new. Look at the example of the African Americans you mention -most of what was white is gone in a few generations; take a white European bloodline and keep on race mixing and you will lose whatever it was you once identified as 'white' completely. Yes, race mixing with blacks will destroy white genes, if by that you mean the physical and behavioural traits that are peculiarly European in origin. They will be destroyed, in that they will recede until they are only very superficially detectable and eventually not even that. No, realising this fact does not make a person a 'simpleton'.

[Lily]

No, because if a half black person has children with a white person a resulting child could end up looking decidedly European. If not that child then perhaps their grandchildren. This wouldn't happen in the genes were destroyed. They're there, just recessive.

[Omniel]

No, because if a half black person has children with a white person a resulting child could end up looking decidedly European. If not that child then perhaps their grandchildren. This wouldn't happen in the genes were destroyed. They're there, just recessive.
If a half-caste reproduces with a white then the child may have whiter features than if that same half-caste reproduces with a black, and if their half-caste child mates with a white and so on, they will eventually sire a child who appears mostly white with minimal black traits. By refreshing the bloodline's pool with pure white genes you will end up with a white European with minimal black traits after a number of generations.

But this doesn't apply to a mass race-mixing environment; white genes are recessive and after consistent race-mixing with other half-castes the black side will dominate. Basically, the multiculti future is not white, it is brown, and given the much higher birth rate of blacks than whites, a race-mixing culture is black-brown resulting in eventual practical destruction of white genes, in that they will not revive.

So you will end up with lighter blacks, not darker whites. In all but a genetic technicality, what you once called 'white' will be destroyed. That is why two African Americans, both of whose ancestors included the occasional white man will not produce a white child, except by freak occurrence.

[Byssus]

You can't see them, but there is every chance that they are there. Alot of American blacks have light eyes and lighter skin than their African counterparts.
Yes, recessive features unique to parental stock "A" can recur in an admixed population (to keep things simple, A+B), even if these characteristics are phenotypically obliterated in first-generation hybrids. However, in lieu of ongoing reinfusion with A, the mongrel line is unlikely to yield individuals bearing the specific combination of traits typical to A. If A+B is not reproductively isolated from either of the two ancestral lines, absorption skew could further diminish this likelihood. (In other words, A+B individuals -- due to disparity in numbers or breeding preference -- could be disproportionally more likely to breed with B than with A.)

You are, at any rate, correct in saying that recessive alleles aren't destroyed so much as rendered latent. However, when we speak of outward racial differentiation, it's not one visible trait or the other but the whole assemblage thereof that's of import.

To quote Armand Marie Leroi:

... Negrito populations, wherever they are, are so small, isolated and impoverished that it seems certain that they will eventually disappear.

Yet even after they have gone, the genetic variants that defined the Negritos will remain, albeit scattered, in the people who inhabit the littoral of the Bay of Bengal and the South China Sea. They will remain visible in the unusually dark skin of some Indonesians, the unusually curly hair of some Sri Lankans, the unusually slight frames of some Filipinos. But the unique combination of genes that makes the Negritos so distinctive, and that took tens of thousands of years to evolve, will have disappeared. A human race will have gone extinct, and the human species will be the poorer for it.

[Dragonair]

Eritrean-Unspecified European:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/103/287889054_2d49b3b833_o.jpg
Now that's grouse. (Relavently) light skin just makes it look more awful.