PDA

View Full Version : Mexico’s Fox Warns U.S. Border Fence Will Fall


The Retard
01-26-2006, 07:34 PM
Mexico’s Fox Warns U.S. Border Fence Will Fall (http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-01-25T031212Z_01_N24223744_RTRUKOC_0_UK-MEXICO-USA.xml)

AGUASCALIENTES, Mexico (Reuters) - President Vicente Fox warned on Tuesday that a proposed high security border fence to keep illegal immigrants out of the United States will fall just like the Berlin Wall.

The fence, approved by the U.S. House of Representatives last month, has angered many Mexicans and Fox's government is lobbying U.S. Senate leaders to block it while also rallying opposition from other Latin American nations.

"What is not resolved by intelligent policies and by leaders is resolved by citizens. That is how the Berlin Wall fell and that is how this wall will fall," Fox told Reuters. "I hope it isn't even built because, if it is, it will fall."

Fox's government has pushed hard for U.S. immigration reform in favour of millions of Mexicans living and working illegally in the United States.

U.S. President George W. Bush is backing a guest worker programme to match immigrants with jobs for a set time period.

But the plan faces stiff opposition inside the Republican Party and many of its lawmakers supported the fence proposal as a way of tightening security along the long, porous border. They also voted to make illegal immigration a felony.

Fox said he was still confident the Senate would knock down the fence proposal and that a guest worker program would be agreed upon this year, but he took another swipe at the "hard liners from the other side" who want tighter border security and no immigration reform.

"It is truly shameful," said Fox, who has made close ties with Washington and the search for an immigration deal the centrepiece of his foreign policy.

U.S. treatment of Mexican migrants is already a campaign issue ahead of Mexico's presidential election in July, especially after the recent fatal shootings of two illegal Mexican migrants by U.S. security forces.

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the leftist candidate leading opinion polls, said on Tuesday the migration problem could not be resolved "with walls or repressive measures".

"If there is no growth in the Mexican economy and no jobs, then even if they build walls and maintain hardball threats and severe laws, people will still, because of necessity, try to go and work in the United States," he said

Count Eustace II
01-26-2006, 08:07 PM
You know the United States is in BAD shape when the Presidente of May-hee-co tells you f*ck off.

"Fences? We don't need no steenking fences, hombre!"

Fade the Butcher
01-26-2006, 08:20 PM
There are so many white Americans on the other side screaming: tear down this wall, let the Mexicans in, we want to be one with your poverty.

Thomas777
01-26-2006, 08:28 PM
This "Berlin Wall" hyperbole that is being thrown around is sort of lost on me...are Fox, Linda Chavez, et. al claiming that the maintenance of a national border security apparatus is categorically identical to a Communist superpower occupying and forcibly partitioning a sovreign nation-state?

Count Eustace II
01-26-2006, 08:31 PM
There are so many white Americans on the other side screaming: tear down this wall, let the Mexicans in, we want to be one with your poverty.

Yes indeed. Those same Whites will cry that all those cute little Mexican restaurants that bring "culture" to their downtown areas will disappear if a big bad wall is built on the US-Mexican border.

Atlas
01-26-2006, 08:34 PM
Seriously though : who will clean your pool or take care of your field if you send them back in Mexico and stop immigration ? Even black don't want this kind of job anymore.

Thomas777
01-26-2006, 08:38 PM
Seriously though : who will clean your pool or take care of your field if you send them back in Mexico and stop immigration ? Even black don't want this kind of job anymore.

People will work any job that pays a living wage. IMO, its dishonest when people suggest that suddenly everybody began refusing to engage in menial labor, so wetbacks saved the day.

The jobs "Americans won't do" are jobs that pay $15.00 a day, and its also violative of the labor code to compensate workers with such meager wages, so these employers have no intention of hiring any legal workers in the first place. Mestizos do those jobs because they have to, not because they have some fantastic work ethic.

Kodos
01-26-2006, 09:07 PM
This "Berlin Wall" hyperbole that is being thrown around is sort of lost on me...are Fox, Linda Chavez, et. al claiming that the maintenance of a national border security apparatus is categorically identical to a Communist superpower occupying and forcibly partitioning a sovreign nation-state?

There is also the fact that this is being built to keep out undesirables, while the Berlin wall was built to keep people in.

Felix the Cat
01-26-2006, 09:11 PM
The US has always been richer and more sparsely populated than Mexico, and the border with Mexico has always been pretty porous

So why has this become a problem only now?

Thomas777
01-26-2006, 09:15 PM
The US has always been richer and more sparsely populated than Mexico, and the border with Mexico has always been pretty porous

So why has this become a problem only now?

In the past, 1,000,000 Mexican nationals were not crashing the border every year.

Kodos
01-26-2006, 09:17 PM
The US has always been richer and more sparsely populated than Mexico, and the border with Mexico has always been pretty porous

So why has this become a problem only now?

In the distant past it was a lot harder to cross the desert( less settlement) and any wetbacks would be dealing with a bunch of real texas and arizona rednecks in a lawless area who might shot them on sight.

Then after the 20s they were kept out by the Feds prettymuch and deported periodically.

Lenny
01-27-2006, 04:06 AM
The US has always been richer and more sparsely populated than Mexico, and the border with Mexico has always been pretty porous

So why has this become a problem only now?In the distant past it was a lot harder to cross the desert( less settlement) and any wetbacks would be dealing with a bunch of real texas and arizona rednecks in a lawless area who might shot them on sight.

Then after the 20s they were kept out by the Feds prettymuch and deported periodically.In the 1800s not only was it harder to travel and not only were the whites and Indians who lived out there more hostile than today, but there werent many job opportunities at all (there werent even many settled towns), so the Mexicans had no real reason to cross the border into the western US in the first place. The total opposite of today, where, after sneaking into the US, any illegal can easily find work at much higher pay than back home

As far as the first two-thirds or so of the 20th century, emperor_palpatine is right, Mexicans snuck across plenty (nowhere near today's level, but still a fair number), but were deported back by the hundreds of thousands or millions on several occasions.

Starr
01-27-2006, 06:31 AM
What is not resolved by intelligent policies and by leaders is resolved by citizens.

Yeah, that is why you have "vigilante" groups like the minutemen popping up.
Does this guy really think that U.S citizens welcome his throwaway spics?