'Fall in English white Britons'

[brigadier Biggles]

The number of white Britons in England is falling but other ethnic groups are growing rapidly, new data suggests.

The Office for National Statistics says the number of white British people decreased by 0.1% between 2001 and 2003 while other groups grew by 3.8%.

The biggest growth was among Chinese people who rose more than 11%.

The ONS says the figures - the first attempt to measure ethnic groups on a national level between censuses - are still in the experimental stages.

An ONS spokesman said the figures were based on a number of sources, not all of which specified race, meaning some assumptions about the growth of various communities had had to be made.

The experimental status of the estimates meant they had not yet met the ONS' quality criteria but were being made public in an attempt to involve users in the project, the ONS said.

rest here - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4651000.stm

data here - http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/Product.asp?vlnk=14238

i dont know what to say, its heartbreaking to be being outbred of your country and theres nothing really you can do about it.

[Felix the Cat]

Why so many Chinese?

[brigadier Biggles]

alot come here for the universities, rest i dont know, general immigrant stuff i suppose, escaping tranny, better opportunities, white women to chase after..

[Felix the Cat]

"escaping trannys"? :p

[brigadier Biggles]

tyranny !

freudian slip ?

[Fade the Butcher]

Britain’s Non-White Population Up 500,000 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/27/npop27.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/01/27/ixhome.html)

The non-white British population grew by more than half a million between 2001 and 2003, according to official figures published yesterday.

Over the same period, the white British population fell by more than 100,000, largely because of emigration and a low birth rate.

The white British and Irish are the only ethnic groups that registered a decline, the Office for National Statistics said. While the non-white group had an average annual growth rate of 3.8 per cent, the white British population declined by 0.1 per cent.

The fastest population growth—11 per cent a year—was registered among the Chinese community, mainly due to immigration, rather than a high birth rate among settled Chinese.

Growth in the Black African population is largely the result of asylum seekers, principally from Somalia and Zimbabwe. . .

[Atlas]

Non-white population in Britain up

28 Jan 2006

London: New figures released by the government here reveal that the non-white British population grew by more than half a million between 2001 and 2003.

Over the same period, the white British population fell by more than 100,000, largely because of emigration and a low birth rate. The white British and Irish are the only ethnic groups that registered a decline, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

While the non-white group had an average annual growth rate of 3.8 percent, the white British population declined by 0.1 percent.

The fastest population growth - 11 percent a year - was registered among the Chinese community, mainly due to immigration, rather than a high birth rate among settled Chinese.

Growth in the black African population is largely the result of asylum seekers, principally from Somalia and Zimbabwe.

Reports say that the research is the first of its kind and is based on the 2001 census. It shows that the non-white British population was around 7.1 million in 2003, compared with 6.6 million in 2001.

The white British population fell from 42.9 million to 42.8 million in the same period.

More than 40 percent of London's population is non-white British, and the capital's ethnic minority population grew by 68,000 over the period. However, non-white immigrants are now beginning to leave London for other parts of England, all of which have seen an increase in ethnic minorities.

The ONS said: "The results suggest the growth in urban areas such as London is being driven by international immigration while growth in less urban areas is largely attributable to immigration from those urban areas."

The ONS said the figures had been published in response to "substantial demand" for up-to- date and reliable estimates of the population by ethnic group.

Government figures last month indicated that the population is projected to rise by more than seven million in the next 25 years and more than half of this will be the direct result of immigration, with another 30 percent formed by the children of recent immigrants.


Source : http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=96377

[Atlas]

White flight from London and other major English cities to the countryside started there too. We are seeing that everywhere in Europe now.

[raven]

7.1 / [42.8 + 7.1] *which would probably be the total population* nets = 14.228% non-white. Canada by comparison was 16% non-white in 2001 (the 2006 census is coming out later this year) and Canada's net migration rate in 2005 was 5.9/1000 persons vs. the UK's 2.18/1000 persons. Canada has the largest immigration rate for a "white country" besides the four mini countries of San Marino, Luxembourg, Monaco and Andorra. Since those four mini-countries probably have mostly euro immigraiton from surrounding countries this would make Canada the most pro-multicult in the west So the UK's problem is minor in comparison to Canada's. :p

The United States is at the very least 25% non-white (probably around 30%) and their immigration rate is 3.31/1000. So North America seems to be the set to be the first ones. However the stats in the UK are alarming indeed. I'd hate to look at France's statistics. However legal immigration is quite small now in France at 0.66/1000 persons.

[Lenny]

The United States is at the very least 25% non-white (probably around 30%)There are 195 million whites in the US

195 million whites / 300 million total population = 65% white, 35% non-white

[Atlas]

7.1 / [42.8 + 7.1] *which would probably be the total population* nets = 14.228% non-white. Canada by comparison was 16% non-white in 2001 (the 2006 census is coming out later this year) and Canada's net migration rate in 2005 was 5.9/1000 persons vs. the UK's 2.18/1000 persons.

Yes, per average, Canada is the country that recieved the most immigrants.

[humanist]

Non-white population in Britain upMy answer is:

So?

Why should I, as an "Anglo-Saxon", care about this?

I dont understand the motivation of anyone who believes that this is genuinely newsworthy. Most people in Britain dont care.

[Dan Dare]

My answer is:

So?

Why should I, as an "Anglo-Saxon", care about this?

I dont understand the motivation of anyone who believes that this is genuinely newsworthy. Most people in Britain dont care.

They will as soon as it becomes obvious that flight is no longer an option.

[raven]

There are 195 million whites in the US

195 million whites / 300 million total population = 65% white, 35% non-white
I was being conservative in my estimate. Personally I think its over 30% but Diablo insisted it's only 25% as he claims that the United States' 13+% Hispanics do have a sizeable white settlement (from before). Anywho I shouldn't have even put down 25% as a figure. It's something like 30-35 but I don't think its as high as 35%. Probably in the middle or closer to 30 than 35.

[raven]

My answer is:

So?

Why should I, as an "Anglo-Saxon", care about this?

I dont understand the motivation of anyone who believes that this is genuinely newsworthy. Most people in Britain dont care.
If Britain becomes less than 50% Briton would you be concerned?

[humanist]

Look, why on earth does it make one whit of difference to anyone if there are or are not other people of the same "race" as them in the world (or in countries such as Britain)? I do not feel any kinship to caucasians merely because they are caucasion. Saddam Hussein is a caucasian, as it happens, does that change anything? No it doesn't.

Nobody is going extinct. Extinction applies to a species - and human "races" are not specieis. All that MIGHT happen is that a particular set of genes get changed over. So the fuck what? It is just data, its just happenstance, it doesn't MEAN anything, it doesn't alter identity, it doesn't impact human faculties.

And even with all this said, humans are remarkbly homogenous. A family group pof about 40 chimpanzees has greater genetic variation than the entire human species. Somewhere in the past, we were reduced to about 2000 breeding paiers across the whole planet, and from that p[arlous state we have recoveered tremendously. But we are still very genetically poor. We need MORE intermarriage, more cross-racial fucking, more healthy, genetically mixed individuals, not isolating groups into genetic paralysis and decline.

[OVERWATCH]

Look, why on earth does it make one whit of difference to anyone if there are or are not other people of the same "race" as them in the world (or in countries such as Britain)? I do not feel any kinship to caucasians merely because they are caucasion. Saddam Hussein is a caucasian, as it happens, does that change anything? No it doesn't.

Nobody is going extinct. Extinction applies to a species - and human "races" are not specieis. All that MIGHT happen is that a particular set of genes get changed over. So the fuck what? It is just data, its just happenstance, it doesn't MEAN anything, it doesn't alter identity, it doesn't impact human faculties.

And even with all this said, humans are remarkbly homogenous. A family group pof about 40 chimpanzees has greater genetic variation than the entire human species. Somewhere in the past, we were reduced to about 2000 breeding paiers across the whole planet, and from that p[arlous state we have recoveered tremendously. But we are still very genetically poor. We need MORE intermarriage, more cross-racial fucking, more healthy, genetically mixed individuals, not isolating groups into genetic paralysis and decline.

Actually, some sub-species are protected from extinction by enviornmentalists and their bureaucratic institutions. It is unlikely(though possible) that any one of the five major subspecies/races of homo sapiens will be effectively extinct in the near future(say the next millennium).

As you are fond of pointing out, these major races have plenty of variation within, enough to ensure that a lack of cross-breeding would not produce genetic stagnation, as you paradoxically assert.

[Professor John Frink]

And even with all this said, humans are remarkbly homogenous. A family group pof about 40 chimpanzees has greater genetic variation than the entire human species.

This does not follow. You're implying that "somewhere in the past" evolution has stopped for humans. In reality, humans underwent and are still undergoing mutations, especially after the OoA event and adaptation to local environments.

Armand Marie Leroi:
" Humans are, after all, the most phenotypically diverse species of mammal, perhaps animal, on earth. It would be a shame were we never to know why."

http://www.the-scientist.com/2005/10/24/16/1/

"to keep things in perspective, it should be pointed out that there is less mtDNA difference between dogs, wolves, and coyotes, than there is between ethnic groups of human beings."

James Serpell: The Domestic Dog : Its Evolution, Behaviour and Interactions with People, p. 33


Somewhere in the past, we were reduced to about 2000 breeding paiers across the whole planet, and from that p[arlous state we have recoveered tremendously.

Population bottlenecks are not unique to humans.

Global landscape of recent inferred Darwinian selection for Homo sapiens

Eric T. Wang et al.

By using the 1.6 million single-nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) genotype data set from Perlegen Sciences [Hinds, D. A., Stuve, L. L., Nilsen, G. B., Halperin, E., Eskin, E., Ballinger, D. G., Frazer, K. A. & Cox, D. R. (2005) Science 307, 1072-1079], a probabilistic search for the landscape exhibited by positive Darwinian selection was conducted. By sorting each high-frequency allele by homozygosity, we search for the expected decay of adjacent SNP linkage disequilibrium (LD) at recently selected alleles, eliminating the need for inferring haplotype. We designate this approach the LD decay (LDD) test. By these criteria, 1.6% of Perlegen SNPs were found to exhibit the genetic architecture of selection. These results were confirmed on an independently generated data set of 1.0 million SNP genotypes (International Human Haplotype Map Phase I freeze). Simulation studies indicate that the LDD test, at the megabase scale used, effectively distinguishes selection from other causes of extensive LD, such as inversions, population bottlenecks, and admixture. The {approx}1,800 genes identified by the LDD test were clustered according to Gene Ontology (GO) categories. Based on overrepresentation analysis, several predominant biological themes are common in these selected alleles, including host-pathogen interactions, reproduction, DNA metabolism/cell cycle, protein metabolism, and neuronal function.

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/103/1/135



But we are still very genetically poor. We need MORE intermarriage, more cross-racial fucking, more healthy, genetically mixed individuals, not isolating groups into genetic paralysis and decline.

"Dr. Stefansson said he believed that the more active version of this gene might have risen to prominence in Europeans and Asians because it conferred extra protection against infectious disease.

Along with the protection would have come a higher risk of heart attack because plaques that build up in the walls of the arteries could become inflamed and rupture. But because the active version of the gene started to be favored long ago, Europeans and Asians have had time to develop genetic changes that offset the extra risk of heart attack.

The active version of the inflammatory gene would have passed from Europeans into African-Americans only a few generations ago, too short a time for development of genes that protect against heart attack, Dr. Stefansson suggested. "

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://gk.nytimes.com/mem/gatekeeper.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26URIQ3DhttpQ3AQ2FQ2Fwww.nytimes.comQ2F2005Q2F11Q2F11Q2FhealthQ2F11heart.htmlQ26OQ51Q3D_rQ513D2Q5126orefQ513DsloginQ26OPQ3D4231481eQ512F3VdQ513A3Xj_yQ517BjjHQ512B3Q512B66G3--3--3edhQ515BHe3--edhQ517BHQ512AeHaQ515B&OP=5526fd2cQ2F1(KE1gSOKpLQ7B1Q51OkpQ3DQ3DgQ2B1Q3DihOKQ51OKL10pOKVKKQ3DKitQ51Ok
altermative link: http://nitro.biosci.arizona.edu/courses/EEB320-2005/news/DG301.html

[Dan Dare]

.. A family group pof about 40 chimpanzees has greater genetic variation than the entire human species. ...

Can you provide a source to support this assertion?

[humanist]

are implying that "somewhere in the past" evolution has stopped for humans. In reality, humans underwent and are still undergoing mutations, especially after the OoA event and adaptation to local environments.
Um, no.

I absolutely did not make any such claim. Do you ever address anyones actual point? There was absolutely nothing there that suggested evolution had "stopped".

Population bottlenecks are not unique to humans.

Did I say they were? Quote me please.

"Dr. Stefansson said he believed that the more active version of this gene might have risen to prominence in Europeans and Asians because it conferred extra protection against infectious disease.

And? Is this supposed to invalidate anything I said?

[Professor John Frink]

A (semi-)literate person can not be so ignorant. Yes, Mr Humanist is a troll. It's undeniable.

I'll still reply just for the hell of it.

Um, no.

I absolutely did not make any such claim. Do you ever address anyones actual point? There was absolutely nothing there that suggested evolution had "stopped".

What I wrote (i.e. quoted actual and veritable scientific sources) flies in the face of your claim ("humans are remarkbly homogenous").



Did I say they were? Quote me please.

Your claim would only hold water IF that were true.



And? Is this supposed to invalidate anything I said?

It's hard to believe you managed to miss the text in bold type:

"The active version of the inflammatory gene would have passed from Europeans into African-Americans only a few generations ago, too short a time for development of genes that protect against heart attack, Dr. Stefansson suggested. "

This does say something about the much-vaunted diversification of humankind through miscegenation, doesn't it?

[Professor John Frink]

Can you provide a source to support this assertion?
Yes, I'd like to see some evidence, please. It certainly sounds intriguing.

[raven]

I'm not a white nationalist by any stretch of the imagination. But I'll ask you, what about British culture? It is inevitable that it will deteroriate to nothingness if Britain doesn't have a Briton majority. Does anyone actually think that a bunch of asians are going to preserve British culture. American globalized imperialism has already ruined much of the culture in the west already (ie. MTV and McDonalds everywhere, etc etc.)

[Atlas]

Nevermind...

[brigadier Biggles]

Nevermind...

trust a frenchman to say this seeing as its through France how many of these migrants get here in the first place :D .

[Atlas]

trust a frenchman to say this seeing as its through France how many of these migrants get here in the first place :D .

No I said nevermind because I edited a post. Sorry for misunderstanding.

Anyways, back on topic, it is true that since some years, Western Europe got many chinese immigrants, both legal and illegal. Funny example, I was in the Parisian metro some weeks ago and I heard a group of black saying "It's crazy to see all those chinese in the metro these day"... I wanted to answer the same but about all the black in the metro. Those negroes are really as racist, or even more racist than us.

[I am Right]

It is time to clean up this country from all of the filth and the scum. All of the Black, Brown and Yellow subhumans, all the Gypsies and Jews and mixes are going underground. All of the queers, all of the poofs and dykes and trannies, all of the junkies and smackheads and underclass street scum, all of the Communists and butch feminists and university liberals are going to get swept away in a great cleansing wave.

Adolf Hitler - Sieg Heil! :mad:

[Felix the Cat]

Welcome back Heimdall :p

[O'Zebedee]

It is time to clean up this country from all of the filth and the scum. All of the Black, Brown and Yellow subhumans, all the Gypsies and Jews and mixes are going underground. All of the queers, all of the poofs and dykes and trannies, all of the junkies and smackheads and underclass street scum, all of the Communists and butch feminists and university liberals are going to get swept away in a great cleansing wave.

Ladies and gentleman: Travis Bickle.

[brigadier Biggles]

Ladies and gentleman: Travis Bickle.

ehhh, more like Randle Patrick McMurphy.

[Heimdall]

Welcome back Heimdall :p

Where'd I go? :confused:

[Felix the Cat]

hehe, not your good self. It's another Heimdall, with a quite distinctive posting style :D